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aka_star
United Kingdom1546 Posts
On February 10 2013 11:50 Sakray wrote: He basically said he hacked during tournaments. Just permaban him from every tournament. Surely it will just be a case of him making a new account and repeating the same actions... continues to be sad times for online tournaments | ||
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
On February 10 2013 11:01 Dundron2000 wrote: i don't believe for a second any sponsor told him to do this. its ridiculous. what would be the motiv? there is none. he's just trying to divert the blame from himself. secondly, so what if someone told him to cheat? if he said yes then he completely lacks integrity. its still his problem that he cheated. Motives here are obvious, more recognition for him (thus the sponsor) more people want to be tutored by him. More people want him to play with them. Basically their are many reasons to do this from a sponosr perspective. He was already a great player without them so I doubt this is on his end, that said I'm awaiting his response. | ||
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YumYumGranola
Canada346 Posts
On February 10 2013 11:42 stew_ wrote: i'm not sure, i think just the fact that a known maphacker is allowed to participate in their tournament tarnishes the said tournament's reputation as is... this kind of action should not be acceptable under any consequences, so the punishment for this should not be light as well. I don't disagree with that sentiment. What I disagree with is the manner in which such a ban should be administered. My original post was related to the need for a body which professional players are ultimately answerable to with clearly states rules and penalties. Otherwise what you have is tournaments selectively punishing players, largely based on the level of public reaction to their actions. Also, my original posts were more specifically directed to people asking for permanent bans, which I don't think is warranted given the implications and past precedent set by issues like this. | ||
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vectorix108
United States4633 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45267 Posts
On February 10 2013 11:58 vectorix108 wrote: Anyone see him post this back in the Spades hacking thread? That last paragraph is great LOL Wow this is just... lol. I wonder if all pro-hackers have some sort of secret channel or code that they abide by, in an attempt to protect one another from the community. | ||
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Dundron2000
Sweden1140 Posts
On February 10 2013 11:54 docvoc wrote: Motives here are obvious, more recognition for him (thus the sponsor) more people want to be tutored by him. More people want him to play with them. Basically their are many reasons to do this from a sponosr perspective. He was already a great player without them so I doubt this is on his end, that said I'm awaiting his response. no. thats a possible motive, but not a probable one. among other things cheating seriously damages your marketability and popularity. anyways, the point doesn't need to be argued because there is no evidence anyone told him to cheat. Diasuki insinuated the possibility that someone told him to. but why should we listen to him? he's a proven cheater so it's no stretch to assume he might lie if he thought it would help his case. | ||
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Loxley
Netherlands2480 Posts
On February 10 2013 11:50 Sakray wrote: He basically said he hacked during tournaments. Just permaban him from every tournament. Agreed. - with the permaban part, I didn't see him confessing tournament cheating.. I really am baffled about some users saying that only ladder ban or only tournament, or even a temporary ban would be enough. With so many gamers out there, trying to get in to GM, trying to qualify for a tournament, working their ass off to get better.. Why would you be soft towards a confessed cheater? Nobody forced him, he never came forward. He cheated players on ladder, players trying to get good results, training and putting effort in their builds/mechanics only to be cheated upon. Then he got Caught. Caught, as in 'doing it till today'. The OP did great work, can't be stressed enough. He caught an live cheater, cheating while he did his research. He gathered evidence, caught the cheater, the cheater puts down an half-arsed apology and we should temporarily ban him? Why? To keep his spot in tournaments where non-cheaters are seeing their spot being given away to a non-remorseful player who cheated his fellow-community members? Why be lenient towards a player who cheated his fans, his competition, the ladder system and his viewers. I don't get it. It was his decision to cheat, nobody forced him. And like most of us know; you made your bed Daisuki, now lie in it. | ||
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StateSC2
Korea (South)621 Posts
On February 10 2013 12:02 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Wow this is just... lol. I wonder if all pro-hackers have some sort of secret channel or code that they abide by, in an attempt to protect one another from the community. HAHAHAH.. oh god.. | ||
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vesicular
United States1310 Posts
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Goibon
New Zealand8185 Posts
On February 10 2013 12:19 vesicular wrote: If the punishment for hacking was more severe, there would be less hackers. Aye, people need to be made examples of or the message will not sink in and this bullshit will continue. | ||
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stew_
Canada239 Posts
On February 10 2013 11:57 YumYumGranola wrote: I don't disagree with that sentiment. What I disagree with is the manner in which such a ban should be administered. My original post was related to the need for a body which professional players are ultimately answerable to with clearly states rules and penalties. Otherwise what you have is tournaments selectively punishing players, largely based on the level of public reaction to their actions. Also, my original posts were more specifically directed to people asking for permanent bans, which I don't think is warranted given the implications and past precedent set by issues like this. kespa... :o | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
On February 10 2013 12:26 Goibon wrote: Aye, people need to be made examples of or the message will not sink in and this bullshit will continue. Definitely agreed. History has a way of repeating itself if nothing changes. In BW, there was absolutely 0 benefit for hacking, besides maybe you got some undeserved attention you otherwise wouldn't have gotten, yet anytime a new method for finding hackers was discovered, there was always a long list of competitive players that were caught. If SC 2 is a professional sport, why wouldn't there be at least just as many players cheating now? People that hacked in the past and were forgiven/got away with it should consider themselves lucky. If every competitive player is given a second chance, what you're essentially saying is, every competitive player is entitled to at least 1 get out of jail free card. So, pick your spots to cheat, and if you mess up and get found out, just repent like the others, whether you mean it or not. Not everyone naturally has integrity. If you're not going to force it upon them, they're simply going to be stealing spots and money from legit players. When do you decide to draw a line? If someone cheats in the first place, they're saying they're not good enough. If they feel that way, they're probably not that great and it's really not a big loss for the community whether they become legit or not. Plus, even if a player apologizes and is forgiven, he could still hack but just not be as negligent about disguising it. In short, the scene is too lenient. There's more to life than SC 2, so until they're banned from other things... I personally wouldn't be crying over them not having a second chance at one of many things in life. | ||
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ChoDing
United States740 Posts
LOLLL so he has been maphacking/hacking for almost a year now? LOLLLL LOLLLL oh god...please banish this guy from SC2 community | ||
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Blisse
Canada3710 Posts
On February 10 2013 12:50 ChoDing wrote: LOLLL so he has been maphacking/hacking for almost a year now? LOLLLL LOLLLL oh god...please banish this guy from SC2 community If his spiel about being "forced" by NITRIX is true, he got the sponsorship around May, according to this http://i.imgur.com/RyDaSYu.png in the Name Change thread. If it isn't, then it's possible he may have felt pressured after the time he made that post about hacking being wrong. In either cases, it's pretty bad, but the past is past and he is banned, so there's nothing left to discuss here. Regardless of his motives, he screwed up majorly, and probably aggravated his sponsor big time. | ||
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Najda
United States3765 Posts
On February 10 2013 12:26 Goibon wrote: Aye, people need to be made examples of or the message will not sink in and this bullshit will continue. Except the vast majority of hackers aren't seeking a professional career, and the amount of professionals that have hacked recently is exactly 2. | ||
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vectorix108
United States4633 Posts
On February 10 2013 13:01 Blisse wrote: If his spiel about being "forced" by NITRIX is true, he got the sponsorship around May, according to this http://i.imgur.com/RyDaSYu.png in the Name Change thread. If it isn't, then it's possible he may have felt pressured after the time he made that post about hacking being wrong. In either cases, it's pretty bad, but the past is past and he is banned, so there's nothing left to discuss here. Regardless of his motives, he screwed up majorly, and probably aggravated his sponsor big time. I think you linked the wrong image there. (It's the image from my post) | ||
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shindigs
United States4795 Posts
looks like blizzard "took action" with regards to the accusations. interesting | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
On February 10 2013 13:02 Najda wrote: Except the vast majority of hackers aren't seeking a professional career, and the amount of professionals that have hacked recently is exactly 2. I think it's a lot more likely that there are more high ranking players that are hacking that haven't been found out, rather than we have found them all and the number is 2. How about the guy mentioned in this thread... how long has he been hacking for? Last week, would you have said "but there's only 1 hacker?" Spades was hacking in BW. He probably always hacked in SC 2, yet how long did it take to gather enough evidence against him in SC 2? Part of the reason you need such a harsh penalty is because the scene is awful at finding out hackers that are trying whatsoever to not make it blatant. Everything can come down to "I wasn't watching him play at his house, so it's inconclusive." | ||
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
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KrazyTrumpet
United States2520 Posts
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