WCS USA Runner-Up Daisuki maphacking? - Page 29

On February 10 2013 08:36 YumYumGranola wrote:
I really don't feel that the lifetime ban is justified when you consider his actions. I mean, that's what sAviOr and other progamers got from KeSPA for the match fixing scandal, and they literally broke the law. To my knowledge KeSPA hasn't handed out any other lifetime bans to any other persons. The punishment should fit the crime, and I don't think the precedent set to date justifies a lifetime ban for something which wasn't even done in a tournament.

One thing I think people should consider is that if mob justice is NOT a good thing. In fact a lynching would probably be worse for the eSports community than any number of map-hackers on ladder. One of the big problems facing SC2 is that there is a marked lack in professionalism on the part of teams and tournament organizers. Say what you will about KeSPA, but having a governing body to set the standards for how tournaments and teams are to be run is extremely important from a business perspective. After all, if prospective sponsors and networks are doing their research and all they see is a disjointed community with teams operating under different standards of professionalism, tournaments and teams getting accused of not paying their bills, and mob mentality when it comes to settling disputes, they're going to want to stay well away from it. If a punishment is going to be handed down, there has to be an established body which is able to gather information, and determine the severity of the punishment based on a published code of conduct. This body needs to have some kind of control or leverage over affiliated tournaments to ensure that they follow their decisions. It needs to be consistent, fair, and ultimately professional. This is not middle school where we can as a group all swear we won't invite Daisuki to our birthday parties anymore.

On February 10 2013 08:56 crbox wrote:


This has literally nothing to do with KeSPA and sAviOr's case.
Daisuki hacked on ladder. He might lose his sponsorship (to be confirmed) and Blizzard might ban his account(s). He has no relation with KeSPA whatsoever and I don't believe organizations have spoken on whether or not they were gonna ban him from offline event.

Like you said above KeSPA was completely different, there was some big money involved lol...

On February 10 2013 09:18 YumYumGranola wrote:


I agree that the circumstances of the two events are completely different, but just pointing out that I can't recall any other instance in which a player has received a lifetime ban, which is what a lot of people are calling for.

My overall point was that I don't think it would be a good thing if tournament organizers and teams all ban Daisuki as a knee-jerk reaction to some large negative community reaction to this specific instance, especially when players with more serious transgressions have been given a pass in the past. I am arguing that there should be some code of conduct and associated penalties for transgressions that tournament organizers and teams can agree to which should be applied in instances like this. In every other major professional sport in the world punishments are at least partly regulated by governing bodies, and if we truly believe that eSports should be a professional scene I don't see a reason why it should be any different.

On February 10 2013 09:36 crbox wrote:


I understand your train of thoughts.

Like I said in my post above (addressed to you), I don't think organizations have even begun to speculate about a lifetime ban or any ban for that matter. If you read what I wrote, we're talking about a BLIZZARD BAN of ONLINE ACCOUNTS (I put those in caps so you have an easier time reading it.)

I don't think Daisuki will be banned from LANs, you can't really hack there anyways and he's still a decent player.

The only concern would be online qualifiers and tournaments, where organizers will need to look closely to his play for any suspect actions.

Also SC2 is very different from any other "sports" because if someone cheats in sports, by taking steroids, they get banned because there's no way to stop once you start... Daisuki didn't hack in a tournament, so as far as they are concerned, they have no reason to ban him. I would be very surprised if MLG banned Daisuki as he is not even that known.

On February 10 2013 06:40 JustTray wrote:
Once a hacker always a hacker.

They should all be treated in the worst way possible, with permanent bans for the rest of their lives from all tournaments.

There should be no forgiveness, ever. These people are not remorseful. They dehumanize everyone who isn't them, much like he explains "i thought it was just ladder," and are only sorry because they got caught.

It disgusts me that people on teamliquid are always so easy on them and willing to forgive, just giving them a pass on all the legitimate gamers they screwed over. And like I said, they seem to think they'll change. No, they don't change, they just stop hacking until they can get away with it again or get desperate, or just find better ways to hide their tracks.

On February 10 2013 09:59 Grimmyman123 wrote:
Bann all of his accounts, and black list him for say, 1 year from LAN or money tournaments.


Review all his replays from previous tournaments. If hacking found, finehim or demand return of any prize money if paid.

Fair, and strict.

On February 10 2013 10:05 hypercube wrote:
Life-time ban for non-tournament ladder hacking? Are people out of their minds? TSL2 cheaters got 12 month ban + 1 TSL ban if I recall correctly (and it was by far the harshest punishment for hacking at the time).

Daisuki deserves something like a warning and maybe to get bumped down on some invite lists for a few month at worst. If it happens again a short ban too.

On February 10 2013 09:16 Ragnarork wrote:

By the way, any info about Blizzard banning him ?

On February 09 2013 11:54 Cloaken wrote:
Thanks again to the OP for this information. We were able to take some solid action based off of these details.

Please always remember you can report hacks directly to hacks@blizzard.com.

Good luck out there, and always remember to "Play Nice, Play Fair."