EPTWCS USA Runner-Up Daisuki maphacking? - Page 28
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ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
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Aveng3r
United States2411 Posts
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Wingblade
United States1806 Posts
As for the original issue about Daisuki maphacking, I definitely don't agree with what he did. Ban the accounts he hacked on, and hope his sponsor drops him. If the sponsor really was behind it, then they too should catch a ton of flax as well, but seriously, I've never even heard of Nitrix. I think he should be able to regain community trust, EVENTUALLY. | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
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JustTray
127 Posts
They should all be treated in the worst way possible, with permanent bans for the rest of their lives from all tournaments. There should be no forgiveness, ever. These people are not remorseful. They dehumanize everyone who isn't them, much like he explains "i thought it was just ladder," and are only sorry because they got caught. It disgusts me that people on teamliquid are always so easy on them and willing to forgive, just giving them a pass on all the legitimate gamers they screwed over. And like I said, they seem to think they'll change. No, they don't change, they just stop hacking until they can get away with it again or get desperate, or just find better ways to hide their tracks. | ||
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a slow decay
150 Posts
On February 10 2013 06:40 JustTray wrote: Once a hacker always a hacker. They should all be treated in the worst way possible, with permanent bans for the rest of their lives from all tournaments. There should be no forgiveness, ever. These people are not remorseful. They dehumanize everyone who isn't them, much like he explains "i thought it was just ladder," and are only sorry because they got caught. It disgusts me that people on teamliquid are always so easy on them and willing to forgive, just giving them a pass on all the legitimate gamers they screwed over. And like I said, they seem to think they'll change. No, they don't change, they just stop hacking until they can get away with it again or get desperate, or just find better ways to hide their tracks. So should we also ban all people who pull friend's controllers from the console to win a round from video games? Where do you draw the line with banning for life when bad sportsmanship occurs? Many would agree that ladder means fuck all and this shouldn't influence someone's entire career. | ||
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
On February 10 2013 06:42 a slow decay wrote: So should we also ban all people who pull friend's controllers from the console to win a round from video games? Where do you draw the line with banning for life when bad sportsmanship occurs? Many would agree that ladder means fuck all and this shouldn't influence someone's entire career. It doesn't matter if it was ladder or a professional tournament, hacking ruins the integrity of the game. He robbed those players on ladder of fair games and good practice. When he decided to hack he forfeited his right to just come back. This isnt just bad sportsmanship this is cheating, and we shouldn't pat him on the back saying "there there it was just ladder." He needs to be shunned by the community for a while before I'll forgive him, its a fucking joke if we just forgive him because "he never hacked in tournament games." He took games off legitimate players by cheating, let me say again, cheating. Let him reflect on it a while. | ||
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Kyrillion
Russian Federation748 Posts
He said he abused a 14 year old. Not *Sexually abused*. Could've been a beating, verbal abuse or any other kind of abuse. The fact that people take an ambiguous statement coming from someone whose English isn't his first language and arbitrarily attribute it to a context says more about them than it does about Stephano tbh. I have no idea why I'm intervening in a discussion so trifle, but your point is completely invalid. 1) "abuser de" means exactly what you think it does in French 2) Why would he message Bling to tell him he wrung ten dollars out of a ten years-old through elaborate social engineering or punched a kid in the face ? 3) In case it wasn't clear enough, you have the "milf" allusion later User was warned for this post | ||
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a slow decay
150 Posts
On February 10 2013 06:51 ExO_ wrote: It doesn't matter if it was ladder or a professional tournament, hacking ruins the integrity of the game. He robbed those players on ladder of fair games and good practice. When he decided to hack he forfeited his right to just come back. This isnt just bad sportsmanship this is cheating, and we shouldn't pat him on the back saying "there there it was just ladder." He needs to be shunned by the community for a while before I'll forgive him, its a fucking joke if we just forgive him because "he never hacked in tournament games." He took games off legitimate players by cheating, let me say again, cheating. Let him reflect on it a while. I agree that his actions shouldn't be forgiven so quickly or easily, but I don't agree this kind of indiscretion is worthy of lifetime ban. I was only playing devil's advocate to show how ridiculous quoted poster sounded. | ||
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Wpgstevo
Canada79 Posts
Some people want to forgive because "its just ladder", or the "games were not important". This logic just dismisses the fact that he wasted time from his opponents, and are holding back more talented players. If he cheats to have 2 top 16 GM spots, then he is taking 2 spots away from #17 and 18. If being top 16 is enough to get a sponsorship, he is STEALING from those players. Sure its not that simple, but neither is "its just ladder". The problem is that the "games were not important" to him, neither were his opponents. The only reason he cares now is because he got caught. He didn't even have the balls to admit what he did, instead tries to pass it off as being pressured into it. All he did was state 'no contest' to the accusations. Tar and feather imo, make an example or more examples will follow. | ||
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SEA KarMa
Australia452 Posts
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On February 10 2013 06:34 SupLilSon wrote: To play devils advocate, SC2 NA ladder is by and large a huge joke and he clearly didnt cheat in any meaningful games. Should he be held to the same standards as those who cheated in tournament games or games for money, like Spades and DeathAngel recently? Technically Deathangel did´nt cheat. | ||
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ChoDing
United States740 Posts
i dont even know how he is gonna win tournaments anyways....if he practices using maphack... EDIT: wait...he used some kind of hack to 'auto inject'? dafuq? I thought SC 2 have no hacks at all  might as well make the EGG POPPING hack from BW for infinite resource -______- | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On February 10 2013 07:19 ChoDing wrote: well this guy is done with his sc2 career for sure :D i dont even know how he is gonna win tournaments anyways....if he practices using maphack... EDIT: wait...he used some kind of hack to 'auto inject'? dafuq? I thought SC 2 have no hacks at all might as well make the EGG POPPING hack from BW for infinite resource -______- there are blink hacks to lol xD | ||
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skatblast
United States784 Posts
On February 10 2013 05:48 Wingblade wrote: I will gladly dig farther as long as criminals are valued this much more than a guy maphacking on some secondary accounts. All I'm saying is that the pitchfork is only being brought down upon certain people who aren't as popular. And for lesser offenses. Obviously, Daisuki screwed up majorly, and he shouldn't be indirectly blaming others without evidence. But if you honestly think getting arrested and making those kinds of comments are not as bad as a player maphacking on a couple of smurfs on ladder, then you need a reality check. Nah, stephano making those comments to his friend in a joking matter is ok. Cheating as a professional player is not. Not that hard to figure out bro. Not sure why your randomly bringing up stephano anyway, your just trying to defend somebody cheating for some reason. | ||
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JackDragon
525 Posts
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Arco
United States2090 Posts
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Wpgstevo
Canada79 Posts
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YumYumGranola
Canada346 Posts
One thing I think people should consider is that if mob justice is NOT a good thing. In fact a lynching would probably be worse for the eSports community than any number of map-hackers on ladder. One of the big problems facing SC2 is that there is a marked lack in professionalism on the part of teams and tournament organizers. Say what you will about KeSPA, but having a governing body to set the standards for how tournaments and teams are to be run is extremely important from a business perspective. After all, if prospective sponsors and networks are doing their research and all they see is a disjointed community with teams operating under different standards of professionalism, tournaments and teams getting accused of not paying their bills, and mob mentality when it comes to settling disputes, they're going to want to stay well away from it. If a punishment is going to be handed down, there has to be an established body which is able to gather information, and determine the severity of the punishment based on a published code of conduct. This body needs to have some kind of control or leverage over affiliated tournaments to ensure that they follow their decisions. It needs to be consistent, fair, and ultimately professional. This is not middle school where we can as a group all swear we won't invite Daisuki to our birthday parties anymore. | ||
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kckkryptonite
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