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This is greasy,
On February 10 2013 05:00 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
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Stop spewing ignorant bullshit. Stephano never explicitly or implicitly mentioned anything to do with pedophilia. And you conveniently forget that Stephano won a ton of tournaments both online and offline against the best players in the world, that includes european foreigners and koreans too.
"Selective bias for the win" right back at you bro.
So if Stephano didn't say anything like that why did EG suspend him for one month? Obviously they begged to differ.
And apparently winning a bunch of tournaments excuses Stephano for getting arrested??? I guess Daisuki should be instantly forgiven since he proved himself to be the second best player in USA then right?
These arguments don't belong in this thread , this is about map hacking not actions taken outside sc2
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On February 10 2013 05:29 Sikly wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 05:13 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 10 2013 05:07 Xiphos wrote:
I'd say give this guy the Ma Jae Yoon treatment. You never know man, sometimes people can change, look at DIMAGA, HayprO etc. The fact that he is quick to shift the blame to some unspecified third party (without confirming or debunking the speculation as regards his sponsors) yet doesn't bring any explicit evidence as to why he was "forced" and how it "wasn't his decision"... yeah pretty bad / fishy attitude. But lol I would rather you didn't mention Ma Bonjwa in the same sentence as this guy, it's not like Daisuki ever won any starleagues or major tournaments at all. Just to clarify, I'm fairly certain HayprO never cheated, he got caught with a program on during a match, but wasn't using it to cheat. If I'm wrong someone feel free to correct me, I don't quite remember exactly what happened.
Ah my bad, I don't remember the specific details of that particular instance.
Even then there's other examples of players that did less than honourable deeds in BW only to return and find moderate success in SC2 (see: Pomi, fraer, TT1)
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Has he said why he did it yet? Would like to know his secret reason that the sponsors gave him for doing this in the first place. If there even is one that is...
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On February 10 2013 05:30 Integra wrote:
Has he said why he did it yet? Would like to know his secret reason that the sponsors gave him for doing this in the first place. If there even is one that is...
Well what makes the whole thing shady and weird is that he has implied that someone forced him to do it, but never went beyond that explaining who it was (sponsors or otherwise) nor provided any proof of being "forced".
So yeah... =/
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On February 10 2013 05:29 Sikly wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 05:13 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 10 2013 05:07 Xiphos wrote:
I'd say give this guy the Ma Jae Yoon treatment. You never know man, sometimes people can change, look at DIMAGA, HayprO etc. The fact that he is quick to shift the blame to some unspecified third party (without confirming or debunking the speculation as regards his sponsors) yet doesn't bring any explicit evidence as to why he was "forced" and how it "wasn't his decision"... yeah pretty bad / fishy attitude. But lol I would rather you didn't mention Ma Bonjwa in the same sentence as this guy, it's not like Daisuki ever won any starleagues or major tournaments at all. Just to clarify, I'm fairly certain HayprO never cheated, he got caught with a program on during a match, but wasn't using it to cheat. If I'm wrong someone feel free to correct me, I don't quite remember exactly what happened.
You're wrong. He was playing against Strelok in some tournament. They started the game and Haypro had to restart for "sound issues". It was later found that he hacked from Broodwar Chart (iirc). Someone tried to use the excuse that he used it for training or something... But, in the end he restarted after the game had already started so 100% knew it was on.
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On February 10 2013 05:22 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 05:15 Wingblade wrote:On February 10 2013 05:00 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 10 2013 04:56 Wingblade wrote:
I'm impressed anyone even knew he was the USA runner-up considering how much people love their pitchforks. Unless of course it's real legal trouble instead of map hacking on a couple of smurfs.
Stephano gets arrested, makes pedophilia comments on his stream = most popular foreigner.
Daisuki map hacks on a couple of smurf accounts = OMG KILL IT WITH FIRE
Selective bias for the win. Stop spewing ignorant bullshit. Stephano never explicitly or implicitly mentioned anything to do with pedophilia. And you conveniently forget that Stephano won a ton of tournaments both online and offline against the best players in the world, that includes european foreigners and koreans too. "Selective bias for the win" right back at you bro. So if Stephano didn't say anything like that why did EG suspend him for one month? Obviously they begged to differ. And apparently winning a bunch of tournaments excuses Stephano for getting arrested??? I guess Daisuki should be instantly forgiven since he proved himself to be the second best player in USA then right? Stephano was suspended for making inappropriate comments that can be misunderstood, said misunderstanding being potentially damaging to both his career and EG as an organization. This is because people read "abuse" and ASSUMED it was sexual abuse, even though Stephano never made any other implicit or explicit remarks that would reveal that to be the case. I'm pretty sure if he did sexually abuse a minor the consequences would've been significantly more severe. But that wasn't actually the case, it was just the drama-hungry community of hyperactive kiddies who only read what they WANT to read, not what is actually written, that believed and propagated this lie. I never said anything about him being arrested. In fact I don't even know what your argument is, Stephano never cheated on ladder or otherwise, why you would compare him to Daisuki in the first place is pretty dumb on all levels. Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 05:22 MaxQT wrote:On February 10 2013 05:00 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 10 2013 04:56 Wingblade wrote:
I'm impressed anyone even knew he was the USA runner-up considering how much people love their pitchforks. Unless of course it's real legal trouble instead of map hacking on a couple of smurfs.
Stephano gets arrested, makes pedophilia comments on his stream = most popular foreigner.
Daisuki map hacks on a couple of smurf accounts = OMG KILL IT WITH FIRE
Selective bias for the win. Stop spewing ignorant bullshit. Stephano never explicitly or implicitly mentioned anything to do with pedophilia. And you conveniently forget that Stephano won a ton of tournaments both online and offline against the best players in the world, that includes european foreigners and koreans too. "Selective bias for the win" right back at you bro. http://i.imgur.com/tfo0c.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/sGxUY.jpgAlso, being successfull in a video game doesn't mean that you do whatever you want in real life. Again, that in and of itself does not actually mean that he did that. It might have been a joke, it might have been some other form of abuse, the bottom line is that if he actually raped a kiddie he would've faced serious charges. Instead he got laid off for a month for an inappropriate comment. That's all. And I'm not saying he can do whatever he wants in real life, I'm saying comparing a ladder cheater to one of the very top personalities and most prolific professional players in SC2 is absurd.
Your right it is absurd. Tasteless jokes and arrests should be condemned FAR more harshly than a guy no one knew(a shame considering he was the second best player in US) maphacking on a couple of smurf accounts. Oh well.
Your "personality" and accomplishments are not an excuse to make those tasteless jokes and commit at least some kind of crime.
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On February 10 2013 05:29 tassblaster wrote:wingblade keep digging that hole Daisuki got owned by karma he constantly trash talked on ladder now look ELohEL.. 
I will gladly dig farther as long as criminals are valued this much more than a guy maphacking on some secondary accounts.
All I'm saying is that the pitchfork is only being brought down upon certain people who aren't as popular. And for lesser offenses.
Obviously, Daisuki screwed up majorly, and he shouldn't be indirectly blaming others without evidence.
But if you honestly think getting arrested and making those kinds of comments are not as bad as a player maphacking on a couple of smurfs on ladder, then you need a reality check.
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@Wingblade are you high? because your posts makes zero sense.
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You've gotta be kidding me, he's 23 and complaining about being old? He just sabotaged any level of respect he might have earned by admitting to hacking on ladder, and there isn't much left to get after you get caught this badly. Glad he learned his lesson, now time to learn how to man up a bit.
Actually, that's almost as bad as Destiny trying to shift blame away from his racial slurs towards the MW2 community for its campaign containing a questionable scene. Why can't these kids just own up to their own mistakes instead of making half-hearted excuses every time?
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On February 10 2013 05:43 Wingblade wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 05:22 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 10 2013 05:15 Wingblade wrote:On February 10 2013 05:00 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 10 2013 04:56 Wingblade wrote:
I'm impressed anyone even knew he was the USA runner-up considering how much people love their pitchforks. Unless of course it's real legal trouble instead of map hacking on a couple of smurfs.
Stephano gets arrested, makes pedophilia comments on his stream = most popular foreigner.
Daisuki map hacks on a couple of smurf accounts = OMG KILL IT WITH FIRE
Selective bias for the win. Stop spewing ignorant bullshit. Stephano never explicitly or implicitly mentioned anything to do with pedophilia. And you conveniently forget that Stephano won a ton of tournaments both online and offline against the best players in the world, that includes european foreigners and koreans too. "Selective bias for the win" right back at you bro. So if Stephano didn't say anything like that why did EG suspend him for one month? Obviously they begged to differ. And apparently winning a bunch of tournaments excuses Stephano for getting arrested??? I guess Daisuki should be instantly forgiven since he proved himself to be the second best player in USA then right? Stephano was suspended for making inappropriate comments that can be misunderstood, said misunderstanding being potentially damaging to both his career and EG as an organization. This is because people read "abuse" and ASSUMED it was sexual abuse, even though Stephano never made any other implicit or explicit remarks that would reveal that to be the case. I'm pretty sure if he did sexually abuse a minor the consequences would've been significantly more severe. But that wasn't actually the case, it was just the drama-hungry community of hyperactive kiddies who only read what they WANT to read, not what is actually written, that believed and propagated this lie. I never said anything about him being arrested. In fact I don't even know what your argument is, Stephano never cheated on ladder or otherwise, why you would compare him to Daisuki in the first place is pretty dumb on all levels. On February 10 2013 05:22 MaxQT wrote:On February 10 2013 05:00 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 10 2013 04:56 Wingblade wrote:
I'm impressed anyone even knew he was the USA runner-up considering how much people love their pitchforks. Unless of course it's real legal trouble instead of map hacking on a couple of smurfs.
Stephano gets arrested, makes pedophilia comments on his stream = most popular foreigner.
Daisuki map hacks on a couple of smurf accounts = OMG KILL IT WITH FIRE
Selective bias for the win. Stop spewing ignorant bullshit. Stephano never explicitly or implicitly mentioned anything to do with pedophilia. And you conveniently forget that Stephano won a ton of tournaments both online and offline against the best players in the world, that includes european foreigners and koreans too. "Selective bias for the win" right back at you bro. http://i.imgur.com/tfo0c.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/sGxUY.jpgAlso, being successfull in a video game doesn't mean that you do whatever you want in real life. Again, that in and of itself does not actually mean that he did that. It might have been a joke, it might have been some other form of abuse, the bottom line is that if he actually raped a kiddie he would've faced serious charges. Instead he got laid off for a month for an inappropriate comment. That's all. And I'm not saying he can do whatever he wants in real life, I'm saying comparing a ladder cheater to one of the very top personalities and most prolific professional players in SC2 is absurd. Your right it is absurd. Tasteless jokes and arrests should be condemned FAR more harshly than a guy no one knew(a shame considering he was the second best player in US) maphacking on a couple of smurf accounts. Oh well. Your "personality" and accomplishments are not an excuse to make those tasteless jokes and commit at least some kind of crime.
I will dig - zero drunk
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On February 10 2013 05:49 Integra wrote:
@Wingblade are you high? because your posts makes zero sense.
I disagree with Wingblade but some of you are being serious dicks here.
On February 10 2013 05:22 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 05:15 Wingblade wrote:On February 10 2013 05:00 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 10 2013 04:56 Wingblade wrote:
I'm impressed anyone even knew he was the USA runner-up considering how much people love their pitchforks. Unless of course it's real legal trouble instead of map hacking on a couple of smurfs.
Stephano gets arrested, makes pedophilia comments on his stream = most popular foreigner.
Daisuki map hacks on a couple of smurf accounts = OMG KILL IT WITH FIRE
Selective bias for the win. Stop spewing ignorant bullshit. Stephano never explicitly or implicitly mentioned anything to do with pedophilia. And you conveniently forget that Stephano won a ton of tournaments both online and offline against the best players in the world, that includes european foreigners and koreans too. "Selective bias for the win" right back at you bro. So if Stephano didn't say anything like that why did EG suspend him for one month? Obviously they begged to differ. And apparently winning a bunch of tournaments excuses Stephano for getting arrested??? I guess Daisuki should be instantly forgiven since he proved himself to be the second best player in USA then right? Stephano was suspended for making inappropriate comments that can be misunderstood, said misunderstanding being potentially damaging to both his career and EG as an organization. This is because people read "abuse" and ASSUMED it was sexual abuse, even though Stephano never made any other implicit or explicit remarks that would reveal that to be the case. I'm pretty sure if he did sexually abuse a minor the consequences would've been significantly more severe. But that wasn't actually the case, it was just the drama-hungry community of hyperactive kiddies who only read what they WANT to read, not what is actually written, that believed and propagated this lie. I never said anything about him being arrested. In fact I don't even know what your argument is, Stephano never cheated on ladder or otherwise, why you would compare him to Daisuki in the first place is pretty dumb on all levels. Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 05:22 MaxQT wrote:On February 10 2013 05:00 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 10 2013 04:56 Wingblade wrote:
I'm impressed anyone even knew he was the USA runner-up considering how much people love their pitchforks. Unless of course it's real legal trouble instead of map hacking on a couple of smurfs.
Stephano gets arrested, makes pedophilia comments on his stream = most popular foreigner.
Daisuki map hacks on a couple of smurf accounts = OMG KILL IT WITH FIRE
Selective bias for the win. Stop spewing ignorant bullshit. Stephano never explicitly or implicitly mentioned anything to do with pedophilia. And you conveniently forget that Stephano won a ton of tournaments both online and offline against the best players in the world, that includes european foreigners and koreans too. "Selective bias for the win" right back at you bro. http://i.imgur.com/tfo0c.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/sGxUY.jpgAlso, being successfull in a video game doesn't mean that you do whatever you want in real life. Again, that in and of itself does not actually mean that he did that. It might have been a joke, it might have been some other form of abuse, the bottom line is that if he actually raped a kiddie he would've faced serious charges. Instead he got laid off for a month for an inappropriate comment. That's all.And I'm not saying he can do whatever he wants in real life, I'm saying comparing a ladder cheater to one of the very top personalities and most prolific professional players in SC2 is absurd.
And that contradicts what Wingblade said because...?
The guy said Stephano made Pedophilia comments and you said it's nonsense. But there you have a pedophilia comment. The guy didn't rape anyone, but he said it as per the original statement.
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It still baffles me why a player of his skill lvl, who did well in offline events would do something like that. Makes absolutely no sense to me. Ruins all the work he put into his own progress. Would love to see what he has to say, though.
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The fact that he wants to continue playing in upcoming tournaments is a joke. You can't just shit on the competitive nature of the game and expect to just go "oops my bad" when you get caught. You haven't learned anything the hard way yet, but I hope you do, and I hope when you're banned from tournaments you remember: you did it all to yourself. Pathetic
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On February 10 2013 05:54 kc2siq wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 05:49 Integra wrote:
@Wingblade are you high? because your posts makes zero sense. I disagree with Wingblade but some of you are being serious dicks here. Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 05:22 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 10 2013 05:15 Wingblade wrote:On February 10 2013 05:00 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 10 2013 04:56 Wingblade wrote:
I'm impressed anyone even knew he was the USA runner-up considering how much people love their pitchforks. Unless of course it's real legal trouble instead of map hacking on a couple of smurfs.
Stephano gets arrested, makes pedophilia comments on his stream = most popular foreigner.
Daisuki map hacks on a couple of smurf accounts = OMG KILL IT WITH FIRE
Selective bias for the win. Stop spewing ignorant bullshit. Stephano never explicitly or implicitly mentioned anything to do with pedophilia. And you conveniently forget that Stephano won a ton of tournaments both online and offline against the best players in the world, that includes european foreigners and koreans too. "Selective bias for the win" right back at you bro. So if Stephano didn't say anything like that why did EG suspend him for one month? Obviously they begged to differ. And apparently winning a bunch of tournaments excuses Stephano for getting arrested??? I guess Daisuki should be instantly forgiven since he proved himself to be the second best player in USA then right? Stephano was suspended for making inappropriate comments that can be misunderstood, said misunderstanding being potentially damaging to both his career and EG as an organization. This is because people read "abuse" and ASSUMED it was sexual abuse, even though Stephano never made any other implicit or explicit remarks that would reveal that to be the case. I'm pretty sure if he did sexually abuse a minor the consequences would've been significantly more severe. But that wasn't actually the case, it was just the drama-hungry community of hyperactive kiddies who only read what they WANT to read, not what is actually written, that believed and propagated this lie. I never said anything about him being arrested. In fact I don't even know what your argument is, Stephano never cheated on ladder or otherwise, why you would compare him to Daisuki in the first place is pretty dumb on all levels. On February 10 2013 05:22 MaxQT wrote:On February 10 2013 05:00 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 10 2013 04:56 Wingblade wrote:
I'm impressed anyone even knew he was the USA runner-up considering how much people love their pitchforks. Unless of course it's real legal trouble instead of map hacking on a couple of smurfs.
Stephano gets arrested, makes pedophilia comments on his stream = most popular foreigner.
Daisuki map hacks on a couple of smurf accounts = OMG KILL IT WITH FIRE
Selective bias for the win. Stop spewing ignorant bullshit. Stephano never explicitly or implicitly mentioned anything to do with pedophilia. And you conveniently forget that Stephano won a ton of tournaments both online and offline against the best players in the world, that includes european foreigners and koreans too. "Selective bias for the win" right back at you bro. http://i.imgur.com/tfo0c.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/sGxUY.jpgAlso, being successfull in a video game doesn't mean that you do whatever you want in real life. Again, that in and of itself does not actually mean that he did that. It might have been a joke, it might have been some other form of abuse, the bottom line is that if he actually raped a kiddie he would've faced serious charges. Instead he got laid off for a month for an inappropriate comment. That's all.And I'm not saying he can do whatever he wants in real life, I'm saying comparing a ladder cheater to one of the very top personalities and most prolific professional players in SC2 is absurd. And that contradicts what Wingblade said because...? The guy said Stephano made Pedophilia comments and you said it's nonsense. But there you have a pedophilia comment. The guy didn't rape anyone, but he said it as per the original statement.
He said he abused a 14 year old. Not *Sexually abused*. Could've been a beating, verbal abuse or any other kind of abuse. The fact that people take an ambiguous statement coming from someone whose English isn't his first language and arbitrarily attribute it to a context says more about them than it does about Stephano tbh.
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Maybe his sponsor wanted him to hack to get caught and draw attention to the sponsor, because honeslty, who had heard of him before this incident?
Conspiracy theories ftw
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On February 10 2013 05:48 Wingblade wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 05:29 tassblaster wrote:wingblade keep digging that hole Daisuki got owned by karma he constantly trash talked on ladder now look ELohEL.. I will gladly dig farther as long as criminals are valued this much more than a guy maphacking on some secondary accounts. All I'm saying is that the pitchfork is only being brought down upon certain people who aren't as popular. And for lesser offenses. Obviously, Daisuki screwed up majorly, and he shouldn't be indirectly blaming others without evidence. But if you honestly think getting arrested and making those kinds of comments are not as bad as a player maphacking on a couple of smurfs on ladder, then you need a reality check.
Ya I think so!
stephanos personal life doesn't effect me when I play sc2.
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Why are you talking about Stephano? This tread is for the cheater Daisuki right?
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On February 10 2013 05:54 kc2siq wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 05:49 Integra wrote:
@Wingblade are you high? because your posts makes zero sense. I disagree with Wingblade but some of you are being serious dicks here. Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 05:22 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 10 2013 05:15 Wingblade wrote:On February 10 2013 05:00 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 10 2013 04:56 Wingblade wrote:
I'm impressed anyone even knew he was the USA runner-up considering how much people love their pitchforks. Unless of course it's real legal trouble instead of map hacking on a couple of smurfs.
Stephano gets arrested, makes pedophilia comments on his stream = most popular foreigner.
Daisuki map hacks on a couple of smurf accounts = OMG KILL IT WITH FIRE
Selective bias for the win. Stop spewing ignorant bullshit. Stephano never explicitly or implicitly mentioned anything to do with pedophilia. And you conveniently forget that Stephano won a ton of tournaments both online and offline against the best players in the world, that includes european foreigners and koreans too. "Selective bias for the win" right back at you bro. So if Stephano didn't say anything like that why did EG suspend him for one month? Obviously they begged to differ. And apparently winning a bunch of tournaments excuses Stephano for getting arrested??? I guess Daisuki should be instantly forgiven since he proved himself to be the second best player in USA then right? Stephano was suspended for making inappropriate comments that can be misunderstood, said misunderstanding being potentially damaging to both his career and EG as an organization. This is because people read "abuse" and ASSUMED it was sexual abuse, even though Stephano never made any other implicit or explicit remarks that would reveal that to be the case. I'm pretty sure if he did sexually abuse a minor the consequences would've been significantly more severe. But that wasn't actually the case, it was just the drama-hungry community of hyperactive kiddies who only read what they WANT to read, not what is actually written, that believed and propagated this lie. I never said anything about him being arrested. In fact I don't even know what your argument is, Stephano never cheated on ladder or otherwise, why you would compare him to Daisuki in the first place is pretty dumb on all levels. On February 10 2013 05:22 MaxQT wrote:On February 10 2013 05:00 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 10 2013 04:56 Wingblade wrote:
I'm impressed anyone even knew he was the USA runner-up considering how much people love their pitchforks. Unless of course it's real legal trouble instead of map hacking on a couple of smurfs.
Stephano gets arrested, makes pedophilia comments on his stream = most popular foreigner.
Daisuki map hacks on a couple of smurf accounts = OMG KILL IT WITH FIRE
Selective bias for the win. Stop spewing ignorant bullshit. Stephano never explicitly or implicitly mentioned anything to do with pedophilia. And you conveniently forget that Stephano won a ton of tournaments both online and offline against the best players in the world, that includes european foreigners and koreans too. "Selective bias for the win" right back at you bro. http://i.imgur.com/tfo0c.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/sGxUY.jpgAlso, being successfull in a video game doesn't mean that you do whatever you want in real life. Again, that in and of itself does not actually mean that he did that. It might have been a joke, it might have been some other form of abuse, the bottom line is that if he actually raped a kiddie he would've faced serious charges. Instead he got laid off for a month for an inappropriate comment. That's all.And I'm not saying he can do whatever he wants in real life, I'm saying comparing a ladder cheater to one of the very top personalities and most prolific professional players in SC2 is absurd. And that contradicts what Wingblade said because...? The guy said Stephano made Pedophilia comments and you said it's nonsense. But there you have a pedophilia comment. The guy didn't rape anyone, but he said it as per the original statement.
Stephano's comment had nothing to do with pedophilia. If I beat ST.Life I will also say that I raped a 14 year old. Also, it has nothing to do with the topic, right?
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On February 10 2013 04:56 Wingblade wrote:
I'm impressed anyone even knew he was the USA runner-up considering how much people love their pitchforks. Unless of course it's real legal trouble instead of map hacking on a couple of smurfs.
Stephano gets arrested, makes pedophilia comments on his stream = most popular foreigner.
Daisuki map hacks on a couple of smurf accounts = OMG KILL IT WITH FIRE
Selective bias for the win.
Seriously man, I don't understand your logic. Stephano being arrested is his private thing, it has nothing to do with sc2 and the community, the same goes with his pedophilia comments. It is just that the comments appeared on the stream, and EG reacted only because that whole thing put the organisation in the bad side not the game or community in any way.
Daisuki however, is hacking while playing the game so he is destroying fun of playing the game and wasting other's players time.
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On February 10 2013 06:04 Mun_Su wrote:
Why are you talking about Stephano? This tread is for the cheater Daisuki right?
I was going to type a long response about semantics and meaning... but you're right.... my bad.
Still, I felt like people were being a dick to Wingblade in their arguments so wanted to say something.
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