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On February 09 2013 10:04 ImANinjaBich wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Xp7A2.png) ya.....that is pretty condemning evidence. I wonder what Daisuki's response will be? My pitchfork is ready tho  (unfortunately)
i love that picture we should all make every nonzerg unit in game with pitchforks hunt zerg units ^^
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On February 09 2013 11:44 SoOJuuu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2013 11:39 Orpheusz wrote:On February 09 2013 11:34 SoOJuuu wrote:
People seem to care about ladder because everytime they lose on ladder it "must be a hacker"
exiling a hacker is what makes them happy.
Newsflash,
ladder doesnt matter, if you think it does, well then continue on. Except nearly every pro player except maybe a handful of Koreans use ladder as their main form of practice; stop trying to sound elitist and condescending for the sake of it. they do? Most of them use it for stream revenue. Real practice happens within the team.
you not ever read any interviews do you ? sseing people like scarlett say they train 100% ladder ... but you must be pro and know it better then the pros
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On February 10 2013 02:01 PanN wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 02:00 Plansix wrote:On February 09 2013 15:27 ROOTCatZ wrote:OP IS TRYING TO RUIN A PLAYER'S REPUTATION! There is CLEARLY not enough evidence, and it ISNT conclusive, because if you take ONE of those incidents and isolate them, it ISNT enough, so if you multiply it by 1000 like OP did, it COULD just mean that Daisuki is -REALLY- lucky / unlucky. Probabilities do not play a role when you're about to ruin a player's career, you are only 99.9999999999999999999% sure that Daisuki hacks and in the 0.00000000000000000001 offchance that he doesn't you just ruined his career for nothing, how does that make you feel? how do you even SLEEP at night, Hackers of the sc2 community should be protected and shielded from people like RemarK. There was NOT enough evidence, and you are NOT god, nor are you Barack Obama or the Pope, which means you are NO ONE to judge people like daisuki, ONLY God can judge people such as this. You are disgusting, RemarK, you put countless hours of work into helping clean the community, but you're honestly DISGUSTING, you should've send this to the high council of sc2 and without Dustin Browder or David Kim's approval, you should not be outing players who make a living from playing this game, they don't damage ANYONE except for all of the other players who make a living playing this game, and that is a REALLY small percentage of players anyways, I don't know about you, but I have lived in The United States of America, Land of the Free, where everyone is Innocent until proven guilty, and I cannot stand for this sort of behavior. IMAGINE if you were Daisuki and YOU didn't hack... what would you do then? BESIDES, even if its the same account and they have the exact same hotkeys + apm, THERE IS ALWAYS a chance that Daisuki was sharing his account, or that someone stole his accounts and copied his playstyle, APM and Hotkeys in order to frame him, Tell me right now that this probability is mathematically impossible because I have science to argue on my side, and God to protect me from Demons like yourself, RemarK. + Show Spoiler +in case you're really slow, this is all sarcasm, great job RemarK, fuck hackers, there are FAR too many of them and they completely screw the game for everyone else, Daisuki: can't say im dissapointed, I am however disgusted. bl, dhf at whatever you chose to do post exile, GO BACK TO THE SHADOWS!. CatZ, I would like to commend you on your amazing post here. I laughed out loud at the part "nor are you Barack Obama or the Pope" follow up by "ONLY God can judge people such as this." But clearly satire is not something the community does well with. But you improved my day. Also, all cheaters get banned, end of story. If it is good enough for the Tour De France and the Olympics, its good enough for SC2. If don't want to get banned from events, don't install hacks on your PC or let other people use your account. Not end of story. Multiple hackers have been forgiven sooooo...?
It's easy for you to say that when it's been five years after the fact (assuming you're referring to guys like TT1), but in reality it took time to get back to a respectable status.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=69911¤tpage=All
TT1 was removed from TSL2, banned from TSL3 IIRC, and had his account banned. (edit: Removed from TSL1)
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On February 09 2013 16:58 ToD wrote:
So let's summarize all this, Maphack, Auto-inject, and the guy plays Zerg ? wtf , seriously ?
haha if tod say it sounds like being zerg is worse then hacking ^^
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On February 10 2013 03:38 HeavenResign wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 02:01 PanN wrote:On February 10 2013 02:00 Plansix wrote:On February 09 2013 15:27 ROOTCatZ wrote:OP IS TRYING TO RUIN A PLAYER'S REPUTATION! There is CLEARLY not enough evidence, and it ISNT conclusive, because if you take ONE of those incidents and isolate them, it ISNT enough, so if you multiply it by 1000 like OP did, it COULD just mean that Daisuki is -REALLY- lucky / unlucky. Probabilities do not play a role when you're about to ruin a player's career, you are only 99.9999999999999999999% sure that Daisuki hacks and in the 0.00000000000000000001 offchance that he doesn't you just ruined his career for nothing, how does that make you feel? how do you even SLEEP at night, Hackers of the sc2 community should be protected and shielded from people like RemarK. There was NOT enough evidence, and you are NOT god, nor are you Barack Obama or the Pope, which means you are NO ONE to judge people like daisuki, ONLY God can judge people such as this. You are disgusting, RemarK, you put countless hours of work into helping clean the community, but you're honestly DISGUSTING, you should've send this to the high council of sc2 and without Dustin Browder or David Kim's approval, you should not be outing players who make a living from playing this game, they don't damage ANYONE except for all of the other players who make a living playing this game, and that is a REALLY small percentage of players anyways, I don't know about you, but I have lived in The United States of America, Land of the Free, where everyone is Innocent until proven guilty, and I cannot stand for this sort of behavior. IMAGINE if you were Daisuki and YOU didn't hack... what would you do then? BESIDES, even if its the same account and they have the exact same hotkeys + apm, THERE IS ALWAYS a chance that Daisuki was sharing his account, or that someone stole his accounts and copied his playstyle, APM and Hotkeys in order to frame him, Tell me right now that this probability is mathematically impossible because I have science to argue on my side, and God to protect me from Demons like yourself, RemarK. + Show Spoiler +in case you're really slow, this is all sarcasm, great job RemarK, fuck hackers, there are FAR too many of them and they completely screw the game for everyone else, Daisuki: can't say im dissapointed, I am however disgusted. bl, dhf at whatever you chose to do post exile, GO BACK TO THE SHADOWS!. CatZ, I would like to commend you on your amazing post here. I laughed out loud at the part "nor are you Barack Obama or the Pope" follow up by "ONLY God can judge people such as this." But clearly satire is not something the community does well with. But you improved my day. Also, all cheaters get banned, end of story. If it is good enough for the Tour De France and the Olympics, its good enough for SC2. If don't want to get banned from events, don't install hacks on your PC or let other people use your account. Not end of story. Multiple hackers have been forgiven sooooo...? It's easy for you to say that when it's been five years after the fact, but in reality it took time to get back to a respectable status. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=69911¤tpage=AllTT1 was removed from TSL2, banned from TSL3 IIRC, and had his account banned.
i was banned/removed from tsl1, played in tsl2 and tsl3
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On February 10 2013 03:40 ROOTT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 03:38 HeavenResign wrote:On February 10 2013 02:01 PanN wrote:On February 10 2013 02:00 Plansix wrote:On February 09 2013 15:27 ROOTCatZ wrote:OP IS TRYING TO RUIN A PLAYER'S REPUTATION! There is CLEARLY not enough evidence, and it ISNT conclusive, because if you take ONE of those incidents and isolate them, it ISNT enough, so if you multiply it by 1000 like OP did, it COULD just mean that Daisuki is -REALLY- lucky / unlucky. Probabilities do not play a role when you're about to ruin a player's career, you are only 99.9999999999999999999% sure that Daisuki hacks and in the 0.00000000000000000001 offchance that he doesn't you just ruined his career for nothing, how does that make you feel? how do you even SLEEP at night, Hackers of the sc2 community should be protected and shielded from people like RemarK. There was NOT enough evidence, and you are NOT god, nor are you Barack Obama or the Pope, which means you are NO ONE to judge people like daisuki, ONLY God can judge people such as this. You are disgusting, RemarK, you put countless hours of work into helping clean the community, but you're honestly DISGUSTING, you should've send this to the high council of sc2 and without Dustin Browder or David Kim's approval, you should not be outing players who make a living from playing this game, they don't damage ANYONE except for all of the other players who make a living playing this game, and that is a REALLY small percentage of players anyways, I don't know about you, but I have lived in The United States of America, Land of the Free, where everyone is Innocent until proven guilty, and I cannot stand for this sort of behavior. IMAGINE if you were Daisuki and YOU didn't hack... what would you do then? BESIDES, even if its the same account and they have the exact same hotkeys + apm, THERE IS ALWAYS a chance that Daisuki was sharing his account, or that someone stole his accounts and copied his playstyle, APM and Hotkeys in order to frame him, Tell me right now that this probability is mathematically impossible because I have science to argue on my side, and God to protect me from Demons like yourself, RemarK. + Show Spoiler +in case you're really slow, this is all sarcasm, great job RemarK, fuck hackers, there are FAR too many of them and they completely screw the game for everyone else, Daisuki: can't say im dissapointed, I am however disgusted. bl, dhf at whatever you chose to do post exile, GO BACK TO THE SHADOWS!. CatZ, I would like to commend you on your amazing post here. I laughed out loud at the part "nor are you Barack Obama or the Pope" follow up by "ONLY God can judge people such as this." But clearly satire is not something the community does well with. But you improved my day. Also, all cheaters get banned, end of story. If it is good enough for the Tour De France and the Olympics, its good enough for SC2. If don't want to get banned from events, don't install hacks on your PC or let other people use your account. Not end of story. Multiple hackers have been forgiven sooooo...? It's easy for you to say that when it's been five years after the fact, but in reality it took time to get back to a respectable status. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=69911¤tpage=AllTT1 was removed from TSL2, banned from TSL3 IIRC, and had his account banned. i was banned/removed from tsl1, played in tsl2 and tsl3
Sorry that I mis-spoke of you. Was not my intention.
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“Sigh, when I was good rank 1 GM was easy I hate my life.”
I learned from my mistake. Won't ever happen again!
Ah you just got worse, np man! <3
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This is sad, because I follow this guy on Twitter. He always been friendly and helpful to me. =/
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On February 10 2013 03:52 TerranTechie wrote:
This is sad, because I follow this guy on Twitter. He always been friendly and helpful to me. =/
What, a cheater can't be friendly or helpful or what? 
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On February 09 2013 23:50 NITRIXdaisuki wrote:
First off, I’d like to start off by saying that I do not deny any accusations mentioned by the OP.
And so forth...
I have never cheated in any online or offline tournament (and won’t ever.) I did not make this decision to do what I did but agreed to it because it was a worthwhile venture at the time. A venture of which only began about two weeks ago.
I apologize for that.
I’m hoping ladder is not so important as to prevent me from participating in upcoming tournaments. I know I did wrong and learned from it the hard way. I hope that I can be accepted back even though chances of me of ever winning tournaments are pretty slim due to my age. (I’m getting old, fingers, wrist, and shoulder/neck affected after WCS)
“Sigh, when I was good rank 1 GM was easy I hate my life.”
I learned from my mistake. Won't ever happen again!
Although a seed of doubt has been planted and people will never suspect you to be a legitimate player again, if it could be proven you never cheated/hacked during tournaments, I personally find that online/ladder is completely separate (as it should be) from tournament play.
I strongly believe that during your personal time laddering if you chose to cheat/hack, so be it, it just makes you look bad. If you want to compete in tournaments, as long as you have not cheated and this can be proven undoubtedly, I have no reason to believe you can't compete. They are two parallel arena's.
I'd also like to mention the fact people keep calling ladder "training ground for pro's"
No, it's not, the "pro's" (not GM high masters) train with their teammates, laddering is for streaming. If you wanted some quality practice you would be playing another pro and not some guy in the ladder queue. Sure they might log in and play on ladder just to play other people, but the real practice would come from serious practice with a teammate, especially against particular builds.
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On February 10 2013 03:42 HeavenResign wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 03:40 ROOTT1 wrote:On February 10 2013 03:38 HeavenResign wrote:On February 10 2013 02:01 PanN wrote:On February 10 2013 02:00 Plansix wrote:On February 09 2013 15:27 ROOTCatZ wrote:OP IS TRYING TO RUIN A PLAYER'S REPUTATION! There is CLEARLY not enough evidence, and it ISNT conclusive, because if you take ONE of those incidents and isolate them, it ISNT enough, so if you multiply it by 1000 like OP did, it COULD just mean that Daisuki is -REALLY- lucky / unlucky. Probabilities do not play a role when you're about to ruin a player's career, you are only 99.9999999999999999999% sure that Daisuki hacks and in the 0.00000000000000000001 offchance that he doesn't you just ruined his career for nothing, how does that make you feel? how do you even SLEEP at night, Hackers of the sc2 community should be protected and shielded from people like RemarK. There was NOT enough evidence, and you are NOT god, nor are you Barack Obama or the Pope, which means you are NO ONE to judge people like daisuki, ONLY God can judge people such as this. You are disgusting, RemarK, you put countless hours of work into helping clean the community, but you're honestly DISGUSTING, you should've send this to the high council of sc2 and without Dustin Browder or David Kim's approval, you should not be outing players who make a living from playing this game, they don't damage ANYONE except for all of the other players who make a living playing this game, and that is a REALLY small percentage of players anyways, I don't know about you, but I have lived in The United States of America, Land of the Free, where everyone is Innocent until proven guilty, and I cannot stand for this sort of behavior. IMAGINE if you were Daisuki and YOU didn't hack... what would you do then? BESIDES, even if its the same account and they have the exact same hotkeys + apm, THERE IS ALWAYS a chance that Daisuki was sharing his account, or that someone stole his accounts and copied his playstyle, APM and Hotkeys in order to frame him, Tell me right now that this probability is mathematically impossible because I have science to argue on my side, and God to protect me from Demons like yourself, RemarK. + Show Spoiler +in case you're really slow, this is all sarcasm, great job RemarK, fuck hackers, there are FAR too many of them and they completely screw the game for everyone else, Daisuki: can't say im dissapointed, I am however disgusted. bl, dhf at whatever you chose to do post exile, GO BACK TO THE SHADOWS!. CatZ, I would like to commend you on your amazing post here. I laughed out loud at the part "nor are you Barack Obama or the Pope" follow up by "ONLY God can judge people such as this." But clearly satire is not something the community does well with. But you improved my day. Also, all cheaters get banned, end of story. If it is good enough for the Tour De France and the Olympics, its good enough for SC2. If don't want to get banned from events, don't install hacks on your PC or let other people use your account. Not end of story. Multiple hackers have been forgiven sooooo...? It's easy for you to say that when it's been five years after the fact, but in reality it took time to get back to a respectable status. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=69911¤tpage=AllTT1 was removed from TSL2, banned from TSL3 IIRC, and had his account banned. i was banned/removed from tsl1, played in tsl2 and tsl3 Sorry that I mis-spoke of you. Was not my intention.
8D no biggie
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On February 10 2013 03:22 nomyx wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 03:17 ZenithM wrote:On February 10 2013 03:13 Zeevo wrote:
should be temporarily banned, and that's pretty much it. No need to exile the guy for life, as long as he does not do it again. When people do something, they can do it again. Most progamers wouldn't even think of hacking to play the game their livelihood rides on. We don't need people who do think about that. What about ex-hackers / cheaters such as TTOne / lastshadow? Should we forgive them or ban them from all tournaments? I think some people deserve forgiveness for their wrongs.
dunno if last shadow changed , but ttone was pretty young when he cheated same for dimaga , in comparison to this NA zerg player that is old and well aware of what he is doing and how his actions can influence him .
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On February 10 2013 04:06 xsnac wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 03:22 nomyx wrote:On February 10 2013 03:17 ZenithM wrote:On February 10 2013 03:13 Zeevo wrote:
should be temporarily banned, and that's pretty much it. No need to exile the guy for life, as long as he does not do it again. When people do something, they can do it again. Most progamers wouldn't even think of hacking to play the game their livelihood rides on. We don't need people who do think about that. What about ex-hackers / cheaters such as TTOne / lastshadow? Should we forgive them or ban them from all tournaments? I think some people deserve forgiveness for their wrongs. dunno if last shadow changed , but ttone was pretty young when he cheated same for dimaga , in comparison to this NA zerg player that is old and well aware of what he is doing and how his actions can influence him .
In my opinion:
Rules should be for everyone, you can't just cheat and get away with it just because you were young: you have to take responsability for your actions.
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I must say I am exhausted after reading yet another "apology" that includes blame-shifting. How can the community even attempt to forgive someone if they do not take FULL responsibility for their actions? I know that someone from Blizzard stated "appropriate actions were taken", does anyone know what those actions were? I'll trust the staff at TL for a sound judgment on this case.
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On February 10 2013 03:25 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 03:03 EtherealDeath wrote:On February 10 2013 02:50 HTOMario wrote:On February 09 2013 23:50 NITRIXdaisuki wrote:
First off, I’d like to start off by saying that I do not deny any accusations mentioned by the OP.
And so forth...
I have never cheated in any online or offline tournament (and won’t ever.) I did not make this decision to do what I did but agreed to it because it was a worthwhile venture at the time. A venture of which only began about two weeks ago.
I apologize for that.
I’m hoping ladder is not so important as to prevent me from participating in upcoming tournaments. I know I did wrong and learned from it the hard way. I hope that I can be accepted back even though chances of me of ever winning tournaments are pretty slim due to my age. (I’m getting old, fingers, wrist, and shoulder/neck affected after WCS)
“Sigh, when I was good rank 1 GM was easy I hate my life.”
I learned from my mistake. Won't ever happen again! You made the decision, you hacked. I'm sorry but I don't condone you ruining so many players ladder experience or taking away their time from decent practice. I don't think you should be allowed in any more tournaments. Once a hacker... I have 0 respect for people who tried to cheat their way. Well as Glon said, if (hypothetically) for some reason he was pressured into this by sponsors (for whatever hypothetical reason) and could produce lots of direct evidence for this, then I personally could understand it (as Glon said he would as well). But all that is quite hypothetical, and I somehow doubt it's the case. SO this is it then? Every time someone hacks they blame outside factors, oh no it was the sponsors, no it was my parents, no it was my friends. No one hacks out of free will, there is always something behind the decision, may it be fatigue, that they aren't able to perform good enough or that they only need one more win to make that magical placement. The circumstances doesn't matter, if you can't make it without cheating and you risk losing your sponsors then you aren't good enough and you are cheating other people that are good enough without cheating and scheming.
Perhaps I didn't properly communicate how high the extremely high level of proof, and even subtle suggestions if not outright of using illegitimate means would have to be, and I assume Glon had somewhat of a similar view. And this hypothetical I imagine would be very very rarely be met. I am curious as to why Daisuki thinks it wasn't his decision though.
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"Hello ,My name is Peter Yoo, otherwise known as NITRIXdSuki or daisuki on the NA ladder. I have been a top 16 Grandmaster Zerg for the majority of the seasons. Recently there were some speculation regarding all the NITRIX accounts on NA ladder. I am NITRIX." http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=342629
This is just more on the IDs. I think there is little to no doubt that he is mapphacking. I want to see what he has to say, be4, i am 100% sure, but there isnt much he can say
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On February 10 2013 04:13 Ldawg wrote:
I must say I am exhausted after reading yet another "apology" that includes blame-shifting. How can the community even attempt to forgive someone if they do not take FULL responsibility for their actions? I know that someone from Blizzard stated "appropriate actions were taken", does anyone know what those actions were? I'll trust the staff at TL for a sound judgment on this case.
There are only a few individuals that thinks its okay, the rest knows what will happen to this community, the quality of the ladder games regarding amount of cheating and the overall integrity of SCII as an E-sport if we were to deem this as "okay" in any way.
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I wonder if nitrix's philospophy is "bad publicity is better then no publicity." Hell, before this thread i didn't even know Nitrix existed, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Well, that backfired for me, and hopefully for others. I will never ever buy a Nitrix product, no matter how good they are. I will not support a company that fucks over Esports intentionally.
Can Daisuki be forgiven? Perhaps, with lots of time (6+ months, hacking accounts permanently suspended). But this shouldn't just get swept under the rug like its okay.
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just send your evidence to blizz so they ban him
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