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On February 10 2013 01:44 Winterfrozz wrote:"All i have to say is, i've been accused of map hacking AND I DONT so whoever is throwing accusations out there better have great evidence backing it up " ~daisuki in the thread about spades, well i guess you do hack  well done.
Eh, I think it's a bit different - many people respect and agree that Daisuki was a top NA player even before maphacking... spades had a clear jump in skill level lol.
Not that I would ever support daisuki on this in any way... I believe him that he didn't maphack til recently.
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We shoud give him a second chance imho...
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I really hate maphack or any kind of cheat, it really takes the fun out of the game. I hope it isn't as spread on EU/NA server as some are saying here.
I don't really know what I should think about the postulate stating that the sponsor was making him do it. Why wouldn't they just hire someone who is already gm or high masters? I think they could find someone with a decent level who could be GM against money...
And about the player, how can someone make maphacking so obvious...?
On February 10 2013 00:46 wardou wrote:
He is not maphacking, you just mad because he has owned you several times already.
User was warned for this post
Didnt you read through the thread? You need at least a couple of k posts to be allowed to make use of sarcasm.
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Well that is pretty sad and honestly pretty dumb to hack on Accounts where you actually plug your sponsors in and defenetively say "these are mine" but yeah pretty big fish we caught there.
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On February 10 2013 01:49 Putty wrote:
We shoud give him a second chance imho...
In my opinion: (i know most of you wont agree with me)
Cheating on ladder: 1 year ban
Cheating on ladder for second time (after 1 year ban): Permaban
Cheating on online tournaments: permaban from all tournaments
Also: i know then they can just create more accounts for ladder, but blizzard could implement a system to check if when you try to buy an account you have already entered that info on a banned account, like credit card number, name, etc.
Also, 30€ is much for creating just another account. most hackers will quit the game after they get banned.
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On February 10 2013 01:49 Putty wrote:
We shoud give him a second chance imho...
Well defenetively it's not like he is bad certainly because he managed to get runnerup in an offline event but still it's unacceptable to be an outed maphacker and to allow him to ever play online events ever again.
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On February 10 2013 01:50 Saumure wrote:.... Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 00:46 wardou wrote:
He is not maphacking, you just mad because he has owned you several times already.
User was warned for this post Didnt you read through the thread? You need at least a couple of k posts to be allowed to make use of sarcasm.
Sarcasm doesn't come through well in writing. If he was joking he should have added a or something.
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On February 10 2013 01:49 Putty wrote:
We shoud give him a second chance imho...
Bad idea. Hacking is one of the worst things you could do in gaming. Giving someone a get out of jail free card tells people that you can get caught once and get away with it. He should be permed from b.net and tl.net.
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On February 10 2013 01:55 ReachTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 01:49 Putty wrote:
We shoud give him a second chance imho... Bad idea. Hacking is one of the worst things you could do in gaming. Giving someone a get out of jail free card tells people that you can get caught once and get away with it. He should be permed from b.net and tl.net.
He's probably saying that because he was pretty good before using hacks. Most hackers are bad, hence why they use hacks to boost their skill. This guy was already GM, and just used the hack for getting top 16..
Also, following your logic, we should ban dragon (admitted maphacking and streamcheating), spades, etc.
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On February 10 2013 01:55 ReachTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 01:49 Putty wrote:
We shoud give him a second chance imho... Bad idea. Hacking is one of the worst things you could do in gaming. Giving someone a get out of jail free card tells people that you can get caught once and get away with it. He should be permed from b.net and tl.net.
Ok, ban everyone else that was forgiven from the community then as well. (Do you know who they happen to be btw?)
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On February 09 2013 15:27 ROOTCatZ wrote:OP IS TRYING TO RUIN A PLAYER'S REPUTATION! There is CLEARLY not enough evidence, and it ISNT conclusive, because if you take ONE of those incidents and isolate them, it ISNT enough, so if you multiply it by 1000 like OP did, it COULD just mean that Daisuki is -REALLY- lucky / unlucky. Probabilities do not play a role when you're about to ruin a player's career, you are only 99.9999999999999999999% sure that Daisuki hacks and in the 0.00000000000000000001 offchance that he doesn't you just ruined his career for nothing, how does that make you feel? how do you even SLEEP at night, Hackers of the sc2 community should be protected and shielded from people like RemarK. There was NOT enough evidence, and you are NOT god, nor are you Barack Obama or the Pope, which means you are NO ONE to judge people like daisuki, ONLY God can judge people such as this. You are disgusting, RemarK, you put countless hours of work into helping clean the community, but you're honestly DISGUSTING, you should've send this to the high council of sc2 and without Dustin Browder or David Kim's approval, you should not be outing players who make a living from playing this game, they don't damage ANYONE except for all of the other players who make a living playing this game, and that is a REALLY small percentage of players anyways, I don't know about you, but I have lived in The United States of America, Land of the Free, where everyone is Innocent until proven guilty, and I cannot stand for this sort of behavior. IMAGINE if you were Daisuki and YOU didn't hack... what would you do then? BESIDES, even if its the same account and they have the exact same hotkeys + apm, THERE IS ALWAYS a chance that Daisuki was sharing his account, or that someone stole his accounts and copied his playstyle, APM and Hotkeys in order to frame him, Tell me right now that this probability is mathematically impossible because I have science to argue on my side, and God to protect me from Demons like yourself, RemarK. + Show Spoiler +in case you're really slow, this is all sarcasm, great job RemarK, fuck hackers, there are FAR too many of them and they completely screw the game for everyone else, Daisuki: can't say im dissapointed, I am however disgusted. bl, dhf at whatever you chose to do post exile, GO BACK TO THE SHADOWS!.
CatZ, I would like to commend you on your amazing post here. I laughed out loud at the part "nor are you Barack Obama or the Pope" follow up by "ONLY God can judge people such as this." But clearly satire is not something the community does well with. But you improved my day.
Also, all cheaters get banned, end of story. If it is good enough for the Tour De France and the Olympics, its good enough for SC2. If don't want to get banned from events, don't install hacks on your PC or let other people use your account.
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On February 10 2013 02:00 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2013 15:27 ROOTCatZ wrote:OP IS TRYING TO RUIN A PLAYER'S REPUTATION! There is CLEARLY not enough evidence, and it ISNT conclusive, because if you take ONE of those incidents and isolate them, it ISNT enough, so if you multiply it by 1000 like OP did, it COULD just mean that Daisuki is -REALLY- lucky / unlucky. Probabilities do not play a role when you're about to ruin a player's career, you are only 99.9999999999999999999% sure that Daisuki hacks and in the 0.00000000000000000001 offchance that he doesn't you just ruined his career for nothing, how does that make you feel? how do you even SLEEP at night, Hackers of the sc2 community should be protected and shielded from people like RemarK. There was NOT enough evidence, and you are NOT god, nor are you Barack Obama or the Pope, which means you are NO ONE to judge people like daisuki, ONLY God can judge people such as this. You are disgusting, RemarK, you put countless hours of work into helping clean the community, but you're honestly DISGUSTING, you should've send this to the high council of sc2 and without Dustin Browder or David Kim's approval, you should not be outing players who make a living from playing this game, they don't damage ANYONE except for all of the other players who make a living playing this game, and that is a REALLY small percentage of players anyways, I don't know about you, but I have lived in The United States of America, Land of the Free, where everyone is Innocent until proven guilty, and I cannot stand for this sort of behavior. IMAGINE if you were Daisuki and YOU didn't hack... what would you do then? BESIDES, even if its the same account and they have the exact same hotkeys + apm, THERE IS ALWAYS a chance that Daisuki was sharing his account, or that someone stole his accounts and copied his playstyle, APM and Hotkeys in order to frame him, Tell me right now that this probability is mathematically impossible because I have science to argue on my side, and God to protect me from Demons like yourself, RemarK. + Show Spoiler +in case you're really slow, this is all sarcasm, great job RemarK, fuck hackers, there are FAR too many of them and they completely screw the game for everyone else, Daisuki: can't say im dissapointed, I am however disgusted. bl, dhf at whatever you chose to do post exile, GO BACK TO THE SHADOWS!. CatZ, I would like to commend you on your amazing post here. I laughed out loud at the part "nor are you Barack Obama or the Pope" follow up by "ONLY God can judge people such as this." But clearly satire is not something the community does well with. But you improved my day. Also, all cheaters get banned, end of story. If it is good enough for the Tour De France and the Olympics, its good enough for SC2. If don't want to get banned from events, don't install hacks on your PC or let other people use your account.
Not end of story. Multiple hackers have been forgiven sooooo...?
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On February 10 2013 01:58 MaxQT wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 01:55 ReachTheSky wrote:On February 10 2013 01:49 Putty wrote:
We shoud give him a second chance imho... Bad idea. Hacking is one of the worst things you could do in gaming. Giving someone a get out of jail free card tells people that you can get caught once and get away with it. He should be permed from b.net and tl.net. He's probably saying that because he was pretty good before using hacks. Most hackers are bad, hence why they use hacks to boost their skill. This guy was already GM, and just used the hack for getting top 16..
Yeah that is definitely a terrible idea. So what if he was good pre-hack. He still cheated. His skill has nothing to do with him breaking the golden rule and ruining the online gaming experience for others.
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On February 10 2013 01:59 PanN wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 01:55 ReachTheSky wrote:On February 10 2013 01:49 Putty wrote:
We shoud give him a second chance imho... Bad idea. Hacking is one of the worst things you could do in gaming. Giving someone a get out of jail free card tells people that you can get caught once and get away with it. He should be permed from b.net and tl.net. Ok, ban everyone else that was forgiven from the community then as well. (Do you know who they happen to be btw?)
The others were completely sincere and remorseful. This guy has already proven the opposite with his response. He doesn't give a shit and he is just sorry he got caught while trying to use someone else as a scapegoat. It's pathetic.
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On February 10 2013 02:03 ReachTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 01:58 MaxQT wrote:On February 10 2013 01:55 ReachTheSky wrote:On February 10 2013 01:49 Putty wrote:
We shoud give him a second chance imho... Bad idea. Hacking is one of the worst things you could do in gaming. Giving someone a get out of jail free card tells people that you can get caught once and get away with it. He should be permed from b.net and tl.net. He's probably saying that because he was pretty good before using hacks. Most hackers are bad, hence why they use hacks to boost their skill. This guy was already GM, and just used the hack for getting top 16.. Yeah that is definitely a terrible idea. So what if he was good pre-hack. He still cheated. His skill has nothing to do with him breaking the golden rule and ruining the online gaming experience for others.
Yeah? And if he maintains himself well, he'll be forgiven and picked up soon enough.
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On February 10 2013 02:03 ReachTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 01:58 MaxQT wrote:On February 10 2013 01:55 ReachTheSky wrote:On February 10 2013 01:49 Putty wrote:
We shoud give him a second chance imho... Bad idea. Hacking is one of the worst things you could do in gaming. Giving someone a get out of jail free card tells people that you can get caught once and get away with it. He should be permed from b.net and tl.net. He's probably saying that because he was pretty good before using hacks. Most hackers are bad, hence why they use hacks to boost their skill. This guy was already GM, and just used the hack for getting top 16.. Yeah that is definitely a terrible idea. So what if he was good pre-hack. He still cheated. His skill has nothing to do with him breaking the golden rule and ruining the online gaming experience for others.
Well, it seems many people have broken this "golden rule" and are still playing the game. What kind of rule it is if the don't enforce it to everyone?
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On February 10 2013 02:05 ReachTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 01:59 PanN wrote:On February 10 2013 01:55 ReachTheSky wrote:On February 10 2013 01:49 Putty wrote:
We shoud give him a second chance imho... Bad idea. Hacking is one of the worst things you could do in gaming. Giving someone a get out of jail free card tells people that you can get caught once and get away with it. He should be permed from b.net and tl.net. Ok, ban everyone else that was forgiven from the community then as well. (Do you know who they happen to be btw?) The others were completely sincere and remorseful. This guy has already proven the opposite with his response. He doesn't give a shit and he is just sorry he got caught while trying to use someone else as a scapegoat. It's pathetic.
So you're saying the rule doesn't mean shit if you're just "SINCERE AND REMORSEFUL". LOL
and as you would say: THEY STILL CHEATED. they should be put in the same bag as all hackers, but NO. because they were "SINCERE AND REMORSEFUL".
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On February 10 2013 02:01 PanN wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 02:00 Plansix wrote:On February 09 2013 15:27 ROOTCatZ wrote:OP IS TRYING TO RUIN A PLAYER'S REPUTATION! There is CLEARLY not enough evidence, and it ISNT conclusive, because if you take ONE of those incidents and isolate them, it ISNT enough, so if you multiply it by 1000 like OP did, it COULD just mean that Daisuki is -REALLY- lucky / unlucky. Probabilities do not play a role when you're about to ruin a player's career, you are only 99.9999999999999999999% sure that Daisuki hacks and in the 0.00000000000000000001 offchance that he doesn't you just ruined his career for nothing, how does that make you feel? how do you even SLEEP at night, Hackers of the sc2 community should be protected and shielded from people like RemarK. There was NOT enough evidence, and you are NOT god, nor are you Barack Obama or the Pope, which means you are NO ONE to judge people like daisuki, ONLY God can judge people such as this. You are disgusting, RemarK, you put countless hours of work into helping clean the community, but you're honestly DISGUSTING, you should've send this to the high council of sc2 and without Dustin Browder or David Kim's approval, you should not be outing players who make a living from playing this game, they don't damage ANYONE except for all of the other players who make a living playing this game, and that is a REALLY small percentage of players anyways, I don't know about you, but I have lived in The United States of America, Land of the Free, where everyone is Innocent until proven guilty, and I cannot stand for this sort of behavior. IMAGINE if you were Daisuki and YOU didn't hack... what would you do then? BESIDES, even if its the same account and they have the exact same hotkeys + apm, THERE IS ALWAYS a chance that Daisuki was sharing his account, or that someone stole his accounts and copied his playstyle, APM and Hotkeys in order to frame him, Tell me right now that this probability is mathematically impossible because I have science to argue on my side, and God to protect me from Demons like yourself, RemarK. + Show Spoiler +in case you're really slow, this is all sarcasm, great job RemarK, fuck hackers, there are FAR too many of them and they completely screw the game for everyone else, Daisuki: can't say im dissapointed, I am however disgusted. bl, dhf at whatever you chose to do post exile, GO BACK TO THE SHADOWS!. CatZ, I would like to commend you on your amazing post here. I laughed out loud at the part "nor are you Barack Obama or the Pope" follow up by "ONLY God can judge people such as this." But clearly satire is not something the community does well with. But you improved my day. Also, all cheaters get banned, end of story. If it is good enough for the Tour De France and the Olympics, its good enough for SC2. If don't want to get banned from events, don't install hacks on your PC or let other people use your account. Not end of story. Multiple hackers have been forgiven sooooo...?
If they want to come back after a few years, great. Of course you treat everyone on a case by case basis. But they need to wait, for a while. A full year is a good place to start for me.
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On February 10 2013 02:06 MaxQT wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 02:05 ReachTheSky wrote:On February 10 2013 01:59 PanN wrote:On February 10 2013 01:55 ReachTheSky wrote:On February 10 2013 01:49 Putty wrote:
We shoud give him a second chance imho... Bad idea. Hacking is one of the worst things you could do in gaming. Giving someone a get out of jail free card tells people that you can get caught once and get away with it. He should be permed from b.net and tl.net. Ok, ban everyone else that was forgiven from the community then as well. (Do you know who they happen to be btw?) The others were completely sincere and remorseful. This guy has already proven the opposite with his response. He doesn't give a shit and he is just sorry he got caught while trying to use someone else as a scapegoat. It's pathetic. So you're saying the rule doesn't mean shit if you're just "SINCERE AND REMORSEFUL". LOL and as you would say: THEY STILL CHEATED. they should be put in the same bag as all hackers, but NO. because they were "SINCERE AND REMORSEFUL".
The others put in their time and waited too. That is the key part. Forgiveness takes time. A year ban is good and then we see where we are after that. We can all accept that fact that people can change, but we are not going to assume it is going to happen over night.
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On February 10 2013 02:06 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 02:01 PanN wrote:On February 10 2013 02:00 Plansix wrote:On February 09 2013 15:27 ROOTCatZ wrote:OP IS TRYING TO RUIN A PLAYER'S REPUTATION! There is CLEARLY not enough evidence, and it ISNT conclusive, because if you take ONE of those incidents and isolate them, it ISNT enough, so if you multiply it by 1000 like OP did, it COULD just mean that Daisuki is -REALLY- lucky / unlucky. Probabilities do not play a role when you're about to ruin a player's career, you are only 99.9999999999999999999% sure that Daisuki hacks and in the 0.00000000000000000001 offchance that he doesn't you just ruined his career for nothing, how does that make you feel? how do you even SLEEP at night, Hackers of the sc2 community should be protected and shielded from people like RemarK. There was NOT enough evidence, and you are NOT god, nor are you Barack Obama or the Pope, which means you are NO ONE to judge people like daisuki, ONLY God can judge people such as this. You are disgusting, RemarK, you put countless hours of work into helping clean the community, but you're honestly DISGUSTING, you should've send this to the high council of sc2 and without Dustin Browder or David Kim's approval, you should not be outing players who make a living from playing this game, they don't damage ANYONE except for all of the other players who make a living playing this game, and that is a REALLY small percentage of players anyways, I don't know about you, but I have lived in The United States of America, Land of the Free, where everyone is Innocent until proven guilty, and I cannot stand for this sort of behavior. IMAGINE if you were Daisuki and YOU didn't hack... what would you do then? BESIDES, even if its the same account and they have the exact same hotkeys + apm, THERE IS ALWAYS a chance that Daisuki was sharing his account, or that someone stole his accounts and copied his playstyle, APM and Hotkeys in order to frame him, Tell me right now that this probability is mathematically impossible because I have science to argue on my side, and God to protect me from Demons like yourself, RemarK. + Show Spoiler +in case you're really slow, this is all sarcasm, great job RemarK, fuck hackers, there are FAR too many of them and they completely screw the game for everyone else, Daisuki: can't say im dissapointed, I am however disgusted. bl, dhf at whatever you chose to do post exile, GO BACK TO THE SHADOWS!. CatZ, I would like to commend you on your amazing post here. I laughed out loud at the part "nor are you Barack Obama or the Pope" follow up by "ONLY God can judge people such as this." But clearly satire is not something the community does well with. But you improved my day. Also, all cheaters get banned, end of story. If it is good enough for the Tour De France and the Olympics, its good enough for SC2. If don't want to get banned from events, don't install hacks on your PC or let other people use your account. Not end of story. Multiple hackers have been forgiven sooooo...? If they want to come back after a few years, great. Of course you treat everyone on a case by case basis. But they need to wait, for a while. A full year is a good place to start for me.
If he continues to play, i give it within 6 months that he'll get picked up by a team and no one will care anymore. (not saying i agree with this, I agree with you actually, but this is what i think will happen in reality)
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