[MLG] Winter Season featuring Heart of the Swarm - Page 16

On February 01 2013 06:44 RemarK wrote:


Kane, hendralisk, Yong, Jookto, MaSa, Leiya, Minigun to name some of the players who are equal or higher skill than most of the invites. There's dozens more GM players on established teams as well who are equal or better than *some* of the invites.

The point being, this format is bad and unfair - some people who barely even play the game anymore stand to gain a lot of exposure whereas players who have been working their butts off practicing HotS won't even have the chance to qualify or show their skills. Having invited players is fine, don't get me wrong - but if an ENTIRE event is invites with no chance for players to qualify, and your map pool includes Blizzard experiments like Newkirk and Alkilon (maps which pretty much any high-level player will complain about) it is hard to get excited about the event. Especially when IPL is constantly improving their format and map pool - I guess at this point nothing to do but wait and see if Sundance's "I have something BETTER than an open bracket planned for future events" tweet is substantial

On February 01 2013 02:17 Gladiator333 wrote:
PartinG vs Fantasy o_O

On February 01 2013 06:53 RemarK wrote:



Of course I read the thread - that's how I knew the format was terrible and the matchups were laughable. I didn't say the maps were broken, I said they were bad - there's a big difference between the two statements. It's funny that you would label me as a mindless MLG-hater when I've been attending their events since 05 and defending their controversial decisions in the past. I am not a hater, in fact if anything my bias would tilt me towards siding with MLG, but this "tournament" is so silly in almost every regard that it merits commenting.

On February 01 2013 06:44 RemarK wrote:


Kane, hendralisk, Yong, Jookto, MaSa, Leiya, Minigun to name some of the players who are equal or higher skill than most of the invites. There's dozens more GM players on established teams as well who are equal or better than *some* of the invites.

The point being, this format is bad and unfair - some people who barely even play the game anymore stand to gain a lot of exposure whereas players who have been working their butts off practicing HotS won't even have the chance to qualify or show their skills. Having invited players is fine, don't get me wrong - but if an ENTIRE event is invites with no chance for players to qualify, and your map pool includes Blizzard experiments like Newkirk and Alkilon (maps which pretty much any high-level player will complain about) it is hard to get excited about the event. Especially when IPL is constantly improving their format and map pool - I guess at this point nothing to do but wait and see if Sundance's "I have something BETTER than an open bracket planned for future events" tweet is substantial

On February 01 2013 06:57 Plansix wrote:
I do not care about any of those players in any way and I could care less if they get to play. There are other events with open brackets, including MLGs.

And the system is not unfair in any way. MGL has a responsibility to their viewers to provide a good, stable and reliable event for them to enjoy. If they feel the open bracket would have a negative impact on the event due to HotS being released 3 days earlier, they shouldn’t have an open bracket. If some players don’t get to play in one MLG, that’s rough, but MLG first priority is to the viewers.

Also, IPL has not announced what their open bracket will be, but I heard on SotG it might be as small as 32 players. They have no specific information released at this point and they only announced an open bracket right after MGL said they were not going to have one.

On February 01 2013 06:53 RemarK wrote:



Of course I read the thread - that's how I knew the format was terrible and the matchups were laughable. I didn't say the maps were broken, I said they were bad - there's a big difference between the two statements. It's funny that you would label me as a mindless MLG-hater when I've been attending their events since 05 and defending their controversial decisions in the past. I am not a hater, in fact if anything my bias would tilt me towards siding with MLG, but this "tournament" is so silly in almost every regard that it merits commenting.

On February 01 2013 06:47 Plansix wrote:


You want a press release to be changed to match what you consider acceptable and factual? How much more entitled can you get that you only want to read press releases that you completely agree with?

On February 01 2013 07:02 warmus wrote:


This is exactly the point. They invited 14 american pros, and none of them are going to win it. Just like everybody else from your list, they would get rolled by the second Korean at the very latest. And if they wouldn't (although they most certainly would), they will have a lot of time to prove themselves in the months to come. MLG is inaugurating HotS and they ensure they have well known, and many of the very best players to for HIGHER viewership. People dont care what a random american semi pro does in a couple of games, because he will be back to sucking in no time, as koreans and top foreigners surge past him. Instead lets look what pros who we know are gifted with the game can do when its new to majority of them of them (vs joe the 6month beta experience). I mean to want open bracket in this event is actually masochistic.

On February 01 2013 07:06 RemarK wrote:


That's fine then, you can watch your showmatches and enjoy them to your heart's content - you're kind of ignoring the points that I'm making, which is that there are players who are better than the people who got invited who won't have the chance to even go through a single qualifier bracket to play.

IPL's open bracket is going to be larger than 32 players (not by a ton) and they are releasing the information for their HotS open bracket + other stuff tomorrow.

Just because you don't care about anyone in the scene other than these invited players doesn't mean that it's good to have an arbitrary and exclusive format - if you can't realize that or the implications of this, then there is nothing more I can say to enlighten you.

On February 01 2013 07:17 Anomi wrote:



Having a arrogant answer from someone that don’t seem to realize that this in a forum where people actually present opinion on stuff.

Like i said should be changed but whatever that is right and wrong is another thing and whatever they do it or not is also another thing. Your welcome to have your opinion of me being unreasonable don’t actually do me anything at all

The invite-only, Winter Season Showdowns features 56 of the top StarCraft II players in the world playing StarCraft II: Heart of the Swarm before it is released to the public on March 12.

On February 01 2013 06:51 stjartrov wrote:


While it's nice that it's ensured that non-korean players will be in the competition I find it hilarious that you chose to call it unfair when you thought that it would be random.

But of course it's best for them to have "local" qualifiers. More non-koreans and stories, more viewers.
I for one only hope for entertaining games and a good show!

edit: Also: Excited, MLG!

On February 01 2013 07:06 RemarK wrote:


That's fine then, you can watch your showmatches and enjoy them to your heart's content - you're kind of ignoring the points that I'm making, which is that there are players who are better than the people who got invited who won't have the chance to even go through a single qualifier bracket to play.

IPL's open bracket is going to be larger than 32 players (not by a ton) and they are releasing the information for their HotS open bracket + other stuff tomorrow.

Just because you don't care about anyone in the scene other than these invited players doesn't mean that it's good to have an arbitrary and exclusive format - if you can't realize that or the implications of this, then there is nothing more I can say to enlighten you.

On February 01 2013 07:06 RemarK wrote:


That's fine then, you can watch your showmatches and enjoy them to your heart's content - you're kind of ignoring the points that I'm making, which is that there are players who are better than the people who got invited who won't have the chance to even go through a single qualifier bracket to play.

IPL's open bracket is going to be larger than 32 players (not by a ton) and they are releasing the information for their HotS open bracket + other stuff tomorrow.

Just because you don't care about anyone in the scene other than these invited players doesn't mean that it's good to have an arbitrary and exclusive format - if you can't realize that or the implications of this, then there is nothing more I can say to enlighten you.