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On February 01 2013 05:36 mprs wrote:
I will try to explain why an open bracket is NOT A GOOD THING for this particular MLG event, because MLG seems unable to do so.
By having a tournament so close to HOTS release, it is clear that it will be at such an early part of the meta game that it will essentially be just a giant cluster fuck. Top players wouldn't have had enough time to acclimate and could at any point, get cheesed out to some stupid all-in that they haven't seen yet.
Right now if you had an open bracket, ST_Life will get through with no problem, and you would expect him to do so. Why? Because the meta-game is established, he knows what to expect, and he can reasonably get to the mid game consistently, where he will outshine the players that are tiers below him. If you look at this MLG, however, that isn't necessarily the case. An open bracket means that many top players could get cheesed out by lesser players, and you will have a tournament with several terrible players not being to hold their own mechanically or strategically.
By giving people some form of organized format and structure, the top pro players can reasonably prepare for their matches and have some form of strategy and practice. And if there is some cheesing among them, at least there will be some brand name players at the top (and while you might not care, MLG definitely does because they don't want a failed event).
So, for this event, it makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE to have an open bracket. I don't even want to see it. I'd rather see how the pros handle the changes. At least I know pros will be able to adapt within the tournament or provide semi-decent matches from their mechanics alone.
It is absolutely the right move on MLG's part. Any tournament that has an "open" bracket within the first week of the game release is asking for trouble. HOTS isn't that much different than WOL. If some unknown wins HOTS from the open bracket, it will be because he's abusing some really overpowered strategy. The top players remain the top players.
I think you just don't get that many of us want to see established pros get cheesed out by new and unique strategies by up and coming players who have been practicing their asses off with HoTS.
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This is going to a fun 32 man hots showmatch.
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If a recent interview Flash said he won't have time to practice Hots because of proleague and he's concerned about this MLG because of it  I hope he figures something out, would love to see him do okay
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On February 01 2013 05:53 Zenbrez wrote:If a recent interview Flash said he won't have time to practice Hots because of proleague and he's concerned about this MLG because of it I hope he figures something out, would love to see him do okay
If WoL is any indicator this tournament won't have much prestige compared to tournaments held a few months after release. If Flash fans are looking for positive news, being reminded that MVP and NesTea were playing BW instead of WoL beta might cheer you up.
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On February 01 2013 05:50 TheDougler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 05:36 mprs wrote:
I will try to explain why an open bracket is NOT A GOOD THING for this particular MLG event, because MLG seems unable to do so.
By having a tournament so close to HOTS release, it is clear that it will be at such an early part of the meta game that it will essentially be just a giant cluster fuck. Top players wouldn't have had enough time to acclimate and could at any point, get cheesed out to some stupid all-in that they haven't seen yet.
Right now if you had an open bracket, ST_Life will get through with no problem, and you would expect him to do so. Why? Because the meta-game is established, he knows what to expect, and he can reasonably get to the mid game consistently, where he will outshine the players that are tiers below him. If you look at this MLG, however, that isn't necessarily the case. An open bracket means that many top players could get cheesed out by lesser players, and you will have a tournament with several terrible players not being to hold their own mechanically or strategically.
By giving people some form of organized format and structure, the top pro players can reasonably prepare for their matches and have some form of strategy and practice. And if there is some cheesing among them, at least there will be some brand name players at the top (and while you might not care, MLG definitely does because they don't want a failed event).
So, for this event, it makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE to have an open bracket. I don't even want to see it. I'd rather see how the pros handle the changes. At least I know pros will be able to adapt within the tournament or provide semi-decent matches from their mechanics alone.
It is absolutely the right move on MLG's part. Any tournament that has an "open" bracket within the first week of the game release is asking for trouble. HOTS isn't that much different than WOL. If some unknown wins HOTS from the open bracket, it will be because he's abusing some really overpowered strategy. The top players remain the top players. I think you just don't get that many of us want to see established pros get cheesed out by new and unique strategies by up and coming players who have been practicing their asses off with HoTS.
I cannot describe how terrible that sounds and how I never want to see that ever. I had my time with BitbyBit-Prime and that was enough.
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I wanted to go to Dallas so I could play, I know I won't win. But I go to MLG to play and have fun. Looks like I'm going to IPL this year.
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kind of boring to me, just because there have been a lot of good stories with players becoming known in the open bracket, or unexpected runs from lesser known players.
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On February 01 2013 05:59 Xova wrote:
I wanted to go to Dallas so I could play, I know I won't win. But I go to MLG to play and have fun. Looks like I'm going to IPL this year.
Until the next MLG when they will have an open bracket? This is just one event.
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On February 01 2013 02:12 SkaPunk wrote:
Don't really want to watch it if there are no open brackets.
This is dishonest, I can get you don't like the fact there is no open bracket for the new or upcoming players, but the matches will probably be as good if not better, the roster will be even more heavy, too bad for 'murican though
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If that is there reasoning for an invite tourny because beta is unstable then you know what they should have a WOL tourny. I honestly am excited about HOTS but I will not be watching this tourny the day after HOTS releases. But I will be watching IPL's WOL tourny because they are doing it right and not trying to be the first but be the best.
Stupid idea to have qualifiers in a beta and then a tourny a day or two after HOTS releases
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On February 01 2013 05:59 Xova wrote:
I wanted to go to Dallas so I could play, I know I won't win. But I go to MLG to play and have fun. Looks like I'm going to IPL this year.
Go to Anaheim in June when the open bracket is all but certain to return. And go to IPL. They're both awesome.
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On February 01 2013 06:08 RaelSan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 02:12 SkaPunk wrote:
Don't really want to watch it if there are no open brackets. This is dishonest, I can get you don't like the fact there is no open bracket for the new or upcoming players, but the matches will probably be as good if not better, the roster will be even more heavy, too bad for 'murican though
Yeah, I call bullshit on most of the "No open bracket, won't watch" posts. Like most kids who claim they won't listen to X podcast any more and then complaint a couple weeks later about some other issue, these kids will be tuning in.
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This format is awful lmao
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Oh god I really hope you won't use Korhal City, Newkirk City or Star Station in the future. Those are just the usual terrible Blizzard maps.
Wish you could go the route of Kespa/GSL/IPL and work together with mapmakers for some actual good new maps, you know how to contact us. Obligatory link to the map data base http://sc2melee.net/
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Not to be negative, but this is a terrible format with laughable matchups. I feel genuinely sorry for anyone who bought tickets to this event in advance, especially if they were hoping to compete.
Oh well, IPL seems willing to pick up MLG's slack so it's not the end of the world or anything, just a lose-lose situation where spectators get worse games and a bunch of talented players who are stronger than the invites don't get the chance to play in MLG.
The bad map pool is just icing on the cake
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On February 01 2013 05:59 Xova wrote:
I wanted to go to Dallas so I could play, I know I won't win. But I go to MLG to play and have fun. Looks like I'm going to IPL this year.
Someone made a comment last night on ChanmanV's show wednesday night sprites that this IPL will also not have an open bracket. I think it was from coLsasquatch, but it may have been one of the other hosts
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On February 01 2013 06:15 RemarK wrote:
Not to be negative, but this is a terrible format with laughable matchups. I feel genuinely sorry for anyone who bought tickets to this event in advance, especially if they were hoping to compete.
Oh well, IPL seems willing to pick up MLG's slack so it's not the end of the world or anything, just a lose-lose situation where spectators get worse games and a bunch of talented players who are stronger than the invites don't get the chance to play in MLG.
The bad map pool is just icing on the cake
talented players like who?
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Sen vs Moonglade
I am sad now. Why not both in bag awww.
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On February 01 2013 05:57 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 05:50 TheDougler wrote:On February 01 2013 05:36 mprs wrote:
I will try to explain why an open bracket is NOT A GOOD THING for this particular MLG event, because MLG seems unable to do so.
By having a tournament so close to HOTS release, it is clear that it will be at such an early part of the meta game that it will essentially be just a giant cluster fuck. Top players wouldn't have had enough time to acclimate and could at any point, get cheesed out to some stupid all-in that they haven't seen yet.
Right now if you had an open bracket, ST_Life will get through with no problem, and you would expect him to do so. Why? Because the meta-game is established, he knows what to expect, and he can reasonably get to the mid game consistently, where he will outshine the players that are tiers below him. If you look at this MLG, however, that isn't necessarily the case. An open bracket means that many top players could get cheesed out by lesser players, and you will have a tournament with several terrible players not being to hold their own mechanically or strategically.
By giving people some form of organized format and structure, the top pro players can reasonably prepare for their matches and have some form of strategy and practice. And if there is some cheesing among them, at least there will be some brand name players at the top (and while you might not care, MLG definitely does because they don't want a failed event).
So, for this event, it makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE to have an open bracket. I don't even want to see it. I'd rather see how the pros handle the changes. At least I know pros will be able to adapt within the tournament or provide semi-decent matches from their mechanics alone.
It is absolutely the right move on MLG's part. Any tournament that has an "open" bracket within the first week of the game release is asking for trouble. HOTS isn't that much different than WOL. If some unknown wins HOTS from the open bracket, it will be because he's abusing some really overpowered strategy. The top players remain the top players. I think you just don't get that many of us want to see established pros get cheesed out by new and unique strategies by up and coming players who have been practicing their asses off with HoTS. I cannot describe how terrible that sounds and how I never want to see that ever. I had my time with BitbyBit-Prime and that was enough.
You didn't enjoy that? BIT BY BIT!!!!
And oh the glorious Idra rages! You don't get rages like "apologize for playing that race" with an established meta 
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single elim? i don't know about that. but yeah, should be fun to watch for sure overall.
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