EPTI was really disappointed when I heard IPL6 wasn't going to be HOTS. Yea I know there will be an exhibition open tourney, but still...
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ElMeanYo
United States1032 Posts
I was really disappointed when I heard IPL6 wasn't going to be HOTS. Yea I know there will be an exhibition open tourney, but still... | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On February 01 2013 06:15 RemarK wrote: Not to be negative, but this is a terrible format with laughable matchups. I feel genuinely sorry for anyone who bought tickets to this event in advance, especially if they were hoping to compete. Oh well, IPL seems willing to pick up MLG's slack so it's not the end of the world or anything, just a lose-lose situation where spectators get worse games and a bunch of talented players who are stronger than the invites don't get the chance to play in MLG. The bad map pool is just icing on the cake When you start your post off with “Not to be negative, but this is a terrible format with laughable matchups,” its not a really good start. It is pretty clear you didn’t read the thread and are only here to hate on MLG and have no real argument what so ever. People don’t know if IPL is having a true open bracket and their event is still WoL, it is pretty dumb. Also, there is no data on what is a broken or not broken map in HotS. But I am sure there are some experts out there that will tell you otherwise. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
I already said it in this thread, but MLG is doing an amazing job. | ||
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Siphonn
United States298 Posts
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Joedaddy
United States1948 Posts
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mprs
Canada2933 Posts
On February 01 2013 05:50 TheDougler wrote: I think you just don't get that many of us want to see established pros get cheesed out by new and unique strategies by up and coming players who have been practicing their asses off with HoTS. And by all reasonable expectations, the chances of that happening are slim to none. Pros being "cheesed out" is not very entertaining. Go ahead and look at the GSL Code S Open S1-3. Plenty of pros getting cheesed out by Terran all-ins, hardly entertaining. I don't think you fully understand what I'm saying. Open brackets are a good thing, but no company should throw a tournament and spend a shit ton of money hoping that some unlikely outcome will occur. Just remember, WoL had a beta too, and no one knew about the SCV terran all in, or the 1-1-1 all in, or any kind of cheesy strategy that became dominant after release. We don't know what to expect, so it is SMART for MLG to not leave their financial livelihood to chance. There will be pros at the events, there will be top HOTS players there, and there will be good games, smart decisions, and good mechanics. That's enough to throw a successful event and get a lot of storylines from. The fact that it is the first real HOTS tournament is a storyline in itself. It will be interesting what the pros do with this game. I understand you want to see some random guy from Texas do some randomly stupid strategy that beats out a top player. But MLG shouldn't (and if you care about these organization's success, you also shouldn't) risk it by spending a lot of money on open brackets only to lose their star power... It makes no sense. And IdrA makes a great point On February 01 2013 06:38 IdrA wrote: you didnt have to practice your ass off to make reapers early in wol. yea some random could come up with an off the wall strategy, but any really silly upsets are more likely to just be some dumb broken thing. professional players are more likely to be able to come up with and properly execute a legitly new strategy. and from a practical standpoint if you have to have players winning for dumb reasons, it's much much better for mlg that it at least be a star player. if jonnynoname69 hellbat rushed his way to top 8 its just stupid, if flash does it it's still flash. that being said i think its much more likely theyre doing this because of the difficulty of holding open qualifiers in a beta or hosting an open tournament 3 days after release. | ||
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MarcusWC
Canada55 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On February 01 2013 05:50 TheDougler wrote: I think you just don't get that many of us want to see established pros get cheesed out by new and unique strategies by up and coming players who have been practicing their asses off with HoTS. you didnt have to practice your ass off to make reapers early in wol. yea some random could come up with an off the wall strategy, but any really silly upsets are more likely to just be some dumb broken thing. professional players are more likely to be able to come up with and properly execute a legitly new strategy. and from a practical standpoint if you have to have players winning for dumb reasons, it's much much better for mlg that it at least be a star player. if jonnynoname69 hellbat rushed his way to top 8 its just stupid, if flash does it it's still flash. that being said i think its much more likely theyre doing this because of the difficulty of holding open qualifiers in a beta or hosting an open tournament 3 days after release. | ||
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Anomi
Sweden149 Posts
Online Winter Season Showdowns The invite-only, Winter Season Showdowns features 56 of the top StarCraft II players in the world playing StarCraft II: Heart of the Swarm before it is released to the public on March 12. From Monday, February 4 through Friday, March 8, each weeknight, and select Sundays, at 22:00 GMT (+00:00), MLG will broadcast one Showdown at www.majorleaguegaming.com and www.twitch.tv/team/MLG. The complete broadcast schedule is available here. The 28 players who win their Showdowns will advance to an invite-only, exhibition tournament at the Winter Championship. . Having invite only tournament based on something that really doesn’t show who the top players are in sc2 and then marketing it as u are inviting the best of the best is misleading and also incorrect. So the statement of the showdown featuring the 56 top players of Starcraft II should be changed. | ||
Shellshock
United States97277 Posts
On February 01 2013 06:40 Anomi wrote: Having invite only tournament based on something that really doesn’t show who the top players are in sc2 and then marketing it as u are inviting the best of the best is misleading and also incorrect. So the statement of the showdown featuring the 56 top players of Starcraft II should be changed. It says "56 of the top" not "the 56 top" | ||
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
On February 01 2013 05:50 TheDougler wrote: I think you just don't get that many of us want to see established pros get cheesed out by new and unique strategies by up and coming players who have been practicing their asses off with HoTS. And you just don't get that many of you are just a very vocal minority. And your scenario is even not so likely to happen. Because it's not a total new game, it's just a new expansion with some new units and features. It's not like we need to invent the wheel again with HotS. | ||
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RemarK
United States452 Posts
Kane, hendralisk, Yong, Jookto, MaSa, Leiya, Minigun to name some of the players who are equal or higher skill than most of the invites. There's dozens more GM players on established teams as well who are equal or better than *some* of the invites. The point being, this format is bad and unfair - some people who barely even play the game anymore stand to gain a lot of exposure whereas players who have been working their butts off practicing HotS won't even have the chance to qualify or show their skills. Having invited players is fine, don't get me wrong - but if an ENTIRE event is invites with no chance for players to qualify, and your map pool includes Blizzard experiments like Newkirk and Alkilon (maps which pretty much any high-level player will complain about) it is hard to get excited about the event. Especially when IPL is constantly improving their format and map pool - I guess at this point nothing to do but wait and see if Sundance's "I have something BETTER than an open bracket planned for future events" tweet is substantial | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On February 01 2013 06:44 RemarK wrote: Kane, hendralisk, Yong, Jookto, MaSa, Leiya, Minigun to name some of the players who are equal or higher skill than most of the invites. There's dozens more GM players on established teams as well who are equal or better than *some* of the invites. Minigun doesn't attend events anymore anyway. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On February 01 2013 06:40 Anomi wrote: Having invite only tournament based on something that really doesn’t show who the top players are in sc2 and then marketing it as u are inviting the best of the best is misleading and also incorrect. So the statement of the showdown featuring the 56 top players of Starcraft II should be changed. You want a press release to be changed to match what you consider acceptable and factual? How much more entitled can you get that you only want to read press releases that you completely agree with? | ||
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llIH
Norway2147 Posts
On February 01 2013 06:38 IdrA wrote: you didnt have to practice your ass off to make reapers early in wol. yea some random could come up with an off the wall strategy, but any really silly upsets are more likely to just be some dumb broken thing. professional players are more likely to be able to come up with and properly execute a legitly new strategy. and from a practical standpoint if you have to have players winning for dumb reasons, it's much much better for mlg that it at least be a star player. if jonnynoname69 hellbat rushed his way to top 8 its just stupid, if flash does it it's still flash. that being said i think its much more likely theyre doing this because of the difficulty of holding open qualifiers in a beta or hosting an open tournament 3 days after release. I am really cheering for you IdrA. I'm praying to my spaghetti monster god that you advance so I can see you play versus Flash. Would be the ultimate match! Or Bomber for that matter. | ||
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Zax19
Czech Republic1136 Posts
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stjartrov
Sweden81 Posts
On February 01 2013 02:07 Yhamm wrote: how were the showdown done? random? Fantasy vs Parting Ret vs Feast Stephano vs Titan etc quite unfair for some players edit: sorry, it is explained here : http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/competitions/55#event_140_winter-season-showdown-players While it's nice that it's ensured that non-korean players will be in the competition I find it hilarious that you chose to call it unfair when you thought that it would be random.  But of course it's best for them to have "local" qualifiers. More non-koreans and stories, more viewers. I for one only hope for entertaining games and a good show! edit: Also: Excited, MLG! | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On February 01 2013 06:44 RemarK wrote: Kane, hendralisk, Yong, Jookto, MaSa, Leiya, Minigun to name some of the players who are equal or higher skill than most of the invites. There's dozens more GM players on established teams as well who are equal or better than *some* of the invites. The point being, this format is bad and unfair - some people who barely even play the game anymore stand to gain a lot of exposure whereas players who have been working their butts off practicing HotS won't even have the chance to qualify or show their skills. Having invited players is fine, don't get me wrong - but if an ENTIRE event is invites with no chance for players to qualify, and your map pool includes Blizzard experiments like Newkirk and Alkilon (maps which pretty much any high-level player will complain about) it is hard to get excited about the event. Especially when IPL is constantly improving their format and map pool - I guess at this point nothing to do but wait and see if Sundance's "I have something BETTER than an open bracket planned for future events" tweet is substantial the only person i recognize is Yong as a true competitor, and would actually like to see him in the tourney. the rest i know of but dont really consider them all that great. unfortunately, the issue we are going to see with this initial hots tournament is that people use WoL builds because they dont know the game well enough. i am particularly frustrated with the fact that flash was invited AND seeded into the final tournament. someone said a few posts back that he doesnt even play hots because of PL. seems like a shitty PR move to me. | ||
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Negius
Netherlands290 Posts
Now god, please, please, pretty please let MKP win his match against GuMiho... Hoping the next tourneys will have an open bracket, though... | ||
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RemarK
United States452 Posts
On February 01 2013 06:27 Plansix wrote: When you start your post off with “Not to be negative, but this is a terrible format with laughable matchups,” its not a really good start. It is pretty clear you didn’t read the thread and are only here to hate on MLG and have no real argument what so ever. People don’t know if IPL is having a true open bracket and their event is still WoL, it is pretty dumb. Also, there is no data on what is a broken or not broken map in HotS. But I am sure there are some experts out there that will tell you otherwise. Of course I read the thread - that's how I knew the format was terrible and the matchups were laughable. I didn't say the maps were broken, I said they were bad - there's a big difference between the two statements. It's funny that you would label me as a mindless MLG-hater when I've been attending their events since 05 and defending their controversial decisions in the past. I am not a hater, in fact if anything my bias would tilt me towards siding with MLG, but this "tournament" is so silly in almost every regard that it merits commenting. | ||
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