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. It really was a good source for some income for players, and also good experience. Teams definitely don't pay players more as weekly cups go away though.Minor Tournaments – A Progamer’s Résumé (AA) - Page 2
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goswser
United States3548 Posts
. It really was a good source for some income for players, and also good experience. Teams definitely don't pay players more as weekly cups go away though. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On January 31 2013 06:27 goswser wrote: Most of the weekly cups are gone now . It really was a good source for some income for players, and also good experience. Teams definitely don't pay players more as weekly cups go away though.Most cups are in EU, as a player-manager, I used to send weekly letters to my players reminding them of upcoming weekly events. Most didn't sign up, but it kept me aware of who were constantly achieving/participating. All NA cups are gone (or practically) all and a lot of current weekly cups don't advertise on the forums. | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
SEA feels like a lost city of Atlantis in STarCraft | ||
InsidiA
Canada1169 Posts
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
There are reasons for the absence of NA weeklies and one of the main ones is probably a lack of demand. To Torte de Lini, since you already put so much work into this, I'd have liked maybe a statement from an EU team or two as well, might have been a bit different because of the differences in the scenes, I don't know, here it's almost purely NA-focused (and Boss as a retired KR/SEA guy ^^). | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On January 31 2013 06:44 InsidiA wrote: Love the amount put into this, also generous of you. It's a cool article. Thanks <3 On January 31 2013 06:49 StarVe wrote: And to be honest, NA players don't really appreciate weekly cups anyway from my limited experience, the more recent NA ZOTAC Cups have been almost exclusively KR players vs EU players with very few sign-ups, EU cups are always a lot more populated. There are reasons for the absence of NA weeklies and one of the main ones is probably a lack of demand. Unfortunately, I have to mimic the same sentiment. A lot of players don't really take advantage of the weekly cups. They may have a good reason + real life, but some are just inherently disinterested. A lot of weekly cups also take hours in a day, an amount of time some players don't want to divulge (Playhem has a lot of sign-ups, so the brackets are brutal: 2 BO1s and then 2 hours wait for everyone else to catch up). | ||
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Gofarman
Canada648 Posts
On January 31 2013 06:29 Torte de Lini wrote: Most cups are in EU, as a player-manager, I used to send weekly letters to my players reminding them of upcoming weekly events. Most didn't sign up, but it kept me aware of who were constantly achieving/participating. All NA cups are gone (or practically) all and a lot of current weekly cups don't advertise on the forums. Yeah, I worked with a group of guys that wanted to achieve that pro status and I consistently pushed these tourneys on them, the guys that didn't do them have almost all fell off. The couple that took them in stride still have that dream burning even if the skill isn't there yet. I never really thought about WHY certain players would jump on them and other wouldn't, after some short thought it might just be confidence. The ladder is a different beast and the belief in the match-making system that many players have leads them down a place where they might lose a game or two but they believe that they can always win, they at least have a chance. Tournaments are truly a different beast and even before the whole bo3 theory crafting strategy a player has to believe that they can win. The Ego that player has to have to consider themselves an opponent to the best (not necessarily an equal, but someone at least worthy) seems like a undervalued talent when scouting. Or maybe I'm just crazy. I don't really have a conclusion but it got my mind twisting so maybe someone else would too. EDIT (after reading the above post)- Time is a serious concern for some wanna-be pros and probably a legitimate reason to not do daily or weekly cups; I'm not happy with that as a good reason for most though. EDIT2- I suppose there are a lot of ways to test this mental strength of a player outside of casual tournaments but I think it would be the simplest and quickest way to ascertain the condition of player in the above regard. Yeah. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
To Torte de Lini, since you already put so much work into this, I'd have liked maybe a statement from an EU team or two as well, might have been a bit different because of the differences in the scenes, I don't know, here it's almost purely NA-focused (and Boss as a retired KR/SEA guy ^^). everyone I know is mostly from NA with SaSe in KR right now :X I had a quote from an EU/International team, but the person was not comfortable being quoted. | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On January 31 2013 07:32 Torte de Lini wrote: everyone I know is mostly from NA with SaSe in KR right now :X I had a quote from an EU/International team, but the person was not comfortable being quoted. Yeah, I assumed so, since you're from NA your connections should be mostly on NA. I was just a bit curious whether there were some differences in how teams from various continents view the scene, no big deal.  | ||
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Kaitokid
Germany1327 Posts
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Kaitokid
Germany1327 Posts
On January 31 2013 07:38 StarVe wrote: Yeah, I assumed so, since you're from NA your connections should be mostly on NA. I was just a bit curious whether there were some differences in how teams from various continents view the scene, no big deal. pretty sure the big name European teams dont care about them either. its the smaller teams with talented/good but unknown players that care about them a lot. | ||
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DashedHopes
Canada414 Posts
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
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Emuking
United States144 Posts
“I care about skill. Look at it this way: I predict things for a living, so I use those skills to predict who will be good in the future. Past results do not represent future results” Is it me or does quote sound incredibly stupid? | ||
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Unfortunate
Canada132 Posts
On January 31 2013 06:49 Torte de Lini wrote: A lot of weekly cups also take hours in a day, an amount of time some players don't want to divulge (Playhem has a lot of sign-ups, so the brackets are brutal: 2 BO1s and then 2 hours wait for everyone else to catch up). I disagree with the time investment, but hey, I wouldn't know anything =P. On a serious tone the general daily lasted between 3-4 hours, and the prize on Mon-Fri was 45$ for first. (11.25$/hr at a 4 hour tournament, more than min wage in the US iirc). The only time we ever waited 2 hours for something is attributed to one epic of a series, (Revival v Everize). I would say the time investment for players is well worth it if they know they can win consistently, look at Hyun, Snute, Revival, Violet, etc. They consistently made bank doing it and got great practice (I've been told from several players that they enjoyed the practice they got from doing the dailies). I liked the article a lot. Hope to see some more =) Edit: The first few rounds usually you'd get Hyun vs someone who stood no chance, but every time someone lost that was in bronze or silver to a pro I always was told by the individual they love playing just to have the chance to play with their favourite player. That's what develops love for a player and storyline in my opinion. Interacting with fans by playing for money and getting a warm up, sounds like one of the best win-wins ever. | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On January 31 2013 07:58 Emuking wrote: Ex-FXOpen, Josh Dentrinos: “I care about skill. Look at it this way: I predict things for a living, so I use those skills to predict who will be good in the future. Past results do not represent future results” Is it me or does quote sound incredibly stupid? It's saying something without saying anything. | ||
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y0su
Finland7871 Posts
I'm wonder what role (if any) viewership has played? For me there big thing that's lowered how much I watch the smaller tournaments is the disconnect from viewers. It comes from all aspects; Players not wanting observers/casters, downtime (especially for casters), and finally a lack of (English) casters (in EU). + Show Spoiler + Unrelated, but I also got turned off by the lack of (good) terran players... | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On January 31 2013 08:03 Unfortunate wrote: I disagree with the time investment, but hey, I wouldn't know anything =P. On a serious tone the general daily lasted between 3-4 hours, and the prize on Mon-Fri was 45$ for first. (11.25$/hr at a 4 hour tournament, more than min wage in the US iirc). The only time we ever waited 2 hours for something is attributed to one epic of a series, (Revival v Everize). I would say the time investment for players is well worth it if they know they can win consistently, look at Hyun, Snute, Revival, Violet, etc. They consistently made bank doing it and got great practice (I've been told from several players that they enjoyed the practice they got from doing the dailies). I liked the article a lot. Hope to see some more =) Edit: The first few rounds usually you'd get Hyun vs someone who stood no chance, but every time someone lost that was in bronze or silver to a pro I always was told by the individual they love playing just to have the chance to play with their favourite player. That's what develops love for a player and storyline in my opinion. Interacting with fans by playing for money and getting a warm up, sounds like one of the best win-wins ever. Ha, I would too sometimes, but it all varies on the person. Thanks ^^ On January 31 2013 07:58 Emuking wrote: Ex-FXOpen, Josh Dentrinos: “I care about skill. Look at it this way: I predict things for a living, so I use those skills to predict who will be good in the future. Past results do not represent future results” Is it me or does quote sound incredibly stupid? It's definitely different from what others told me. I don't think it was stupid, more brief for the sake of the article's relevance. | ||
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