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CptBeefheart
Profile Joined April 2011
United States45 Posts
January 27 2013 21:26 GMT
#121
As a person with only one copy of SC2 I actually agree people who had to buy mutiple regional copies should get something nice for free only because it was dumb of blizzard to ever make regional games in the first place when all of their other games can select servers.
OldEnt
Profile Joined July 2010
Poland90 Posts
January 27 2013 21:35 GMT
#122
On January 27 2013 07:35 figq wrote:
Ah, but you got something - you got another region play - at a time when others who only bought one copy couldn't get it. At that time that luxury was expensive. Now it's cheaper.

I must interrupt. Global play is not a luxury, it is a standard feature in all PC games of which StarCraft 2 was stripped to customers' harm. Please do not turn a deficiency into a norm.
Maaasta
Profile Joined April 2010
61 Posts
January 27 2013 21:36 GMT
#123
can you have like 3 EU Copys on the same BNet Acc?
Rhine
Profile Joined October 2011
187 Posts
January 27 2013 21:43 GMT
#124
So because Blizzard implemented a feature that people wanted, you should get something more? You bought the benefit of multiple accounts earlier than everyone else. That's what you purchased with money. It just seems awfully entitled to now request compensation. You can't ask for stuff if you've paid full price for something that goes on sale later, even if the price was supposed to be lower in the first place. You bought it and enjoyed the benefits since you thought it would be useful for you.

The question of whether global play is a luxury or not is meaningless. You bought multiple copies. The developer can just as well maintain segregated play and you can do is voice your opinion by not giving them your money. People rightfully complain about lack of global play, but it turns out it's not such a big deal. Those highly interested people are willing to pay more for that feature. Now that feature is provided for everyone included in the price. In the eyes of the developer this is extra effort on their part (for no monetary gain) and now they have to also compensate the hardcore people? Why should they even implement this, considering people didn't think it was that big of a deal in the first place?
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
January 27 2013 21:46 GMT
#125
On January 28 2013 06:35 OldEnt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2013 07:35 figq wrote:
Ah, but you got something - you got another region play - at a time when others who only bought one copy couldn't get it. At that time that luxury was expensive. Now it's cheaper.

I must interrupt. Global play is not a luxury, it is a standard feature in all PC games of which StarCraft 2 was stripped to customers' harm. Please do not turn a deficiency into a norm.
Well, don't interrupt please. The issue has been further clarified later. The OP is not even clear enough.

It was (at the time) luxury to play Starcraft II on multiple regions. Yes, that's a crappy service by the game, but then your option would have been to not buy the game at all; you aren't forced to buy it. So that's not bait and switch at all.

What is bait and switch, however, and should definitely be fixed - is that you buy 2 copies of WoL and now they are merged into one, because they are both on the same real ID, so you can't have 2 different playing IDs anymore. Obviously, for every copy of the game you paid, you deserve a separate playing ID, so they need to fix this asap.
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Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-27 22:00:54
January 27 2013 22:00 GMT
#126
On January 28 2013 06:43 Rhine wrote:
So because Blizzard implemented a feature that people wanted, you should get something more? You bought the benefit of multiple accounts earlier than everyone else. That's what you purchased with money. It just seems awfully entitled to now request compensation. You can't ask for stuff if you've paid full price for something that goes on sale later, even if the price was supposed to be lower in the first place. You bought it and enjoyed the benefits since you thought it would be useful for you.

The question of whether global play is a luxury or not is meaningless. You bought multiple copies. The developer can just as well maintain segregated play and you can do is voice your opinion by not giving them your money. People rightfully complain about lack of global play, but it turns out it's not such a big deal. Those highly interested people are willing to pay more for that feature. Now that feature is provided for everyone included in the price. In the eyes of the developer this is extra effort on their part (for no monetary gain) and now they have to also compensate the hardcore people? Why should they even implement this, considering people didn't think it was that big of a deal in the first place?

Blizzard are removing something.

I already paid for more, they are taking away what I paid for. I paid for 2 SC2 accounts, they are taking one away, and upgrading the other.
Now I would have one SC2 account and not the 2 I paid for.
So yes, I should get something to replace the SC2 account they are taking away.
HOLY CHECK!
aike
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1629 Posts
January 27 2013 22:14 GMT
#127
On January 27 2013 07:35 BigAsia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2013 07:30 kollin wrote:
On January 27 2013 07:28 eronica wrote:
On January 27 2013 07:25 kollin wrote:
On January 27 2013 07:21 BigAsia wrote:
Not really too much to ask for. Its absurd they didn't have global play to begin with, it was just a scheme to get money from people. So yes, they should do something to reimburse people

No it wasn't, and no they shouldn't.


How can you say ?

We don't know if it was or if it was not

Because not everything is a conspiracy theory, despite what some people like to think. I honestly doubt Blizzard would hurt their game in the long run for a relatively marginal amount of money in a 2 year period.


Its not a conspiracy theory, it was a business strategy. I mean they had global support for Warcraft 3 (not sure about Starcraft, and Warcraft 2), so its really no excuse not to have it in Starcraft 2 from the beginning. Also how do you know its relatively marginal? You'd have to find the number of extra copies of WoL that were sold to people who bought them for the purpose of playing on other regions.


They was WC3 and SC2 work is entirely different. Before SC2, one of the players would host the game (wc3, sc1, wc2, etc) but with SC2 blizzard is actually hosting the game on b.net, all data is being routed through battle.net and then to the other player, where as in WC3 all the data went directly to the other person. So the reason global play was more acceptable in the past was because you had a direct conversation, and now you go through a middle man which increases latency quite a bit. Also, blizzard sells the game different depending on the region. Like in SK they have a lot of restrictions and to play an online game you have to provide your personal ID number by law... if a korean person could just buy a NA copy of the game, it bypasses this law (though I think they have recently decided to change this) and on top of that different areas could be paying a different amount depending on local factors. I paid $60 for the game on day 1... if I could have bought say... a taiwanese copy on day 1 for $40, I totally would have.

Basically... global play was never an intended feature. They are only adding it because everybody wants it, and at this point everybody that's going to buy WoL already has it, so there's no reason to not introduce it.
Wahaha
Comadevil
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany214 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-27 22:16:26
January 27 2013 22:14 GMT
#128
On January 28 2013 06:46 figq wrote:
What is bait and switch, however, and should definitely be fixed - is that you buy 2 copies of WoL and now they are merged into one, because they are both on the same real ID, so you can't have 2 different playing IDs anymore. Obviously, for every copy of the game you paid, you deserve a separate playing ID, so they need to fix this asap.

How should they fix something, what is not even released yet?

People are ranting on something which isn't obviously released and one support request as evidence that it will be like the OP siad. Blizzard is aware of the issue and i am pretty sure they will have a solution when they release Global Play

And yes i have also 3 licences on one Battle.Net ID
Kakaru2
Profile Joined March 2011
198 Posts
January 27 2013 22:14 GMT
#129
On January 28 2013 04:01 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2013 03:36 Plansix wrote:
This thread reminds me of people complaining about spoilers on twitter. As service they willingly sign into and subscribe to, which they then use to complain about spoilers they receive from said service.


LOL how is it the same thing?

The current situation boils down to:

Scenario A:
1. Person A buys x regions of sc2 and puts it into 1 b.net account
2. Blizzard implements global play
3. Person A now only has 1 global play sc2 account and 1 b.net account

Scenario B:
1. Person B buys x regions of sc2 and puts it into x different b.net account
2. Blizzard implement global play
3. Person B now has x global play sc2 account and x b.net account

Simply put, it's just blizzard should've told people to to add seperate sc2 accounts instead of cramming them all into 1 b.net account, risking losing all your money from global play.



Can a mod edit the OP and put this post in its place? So few posting here are reading the thread, they just read the OP and get the wrong opinion.
aike
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1629 Posts
January 27 2013 22:16 GMT
#130
On January 28 2013 07:00 Lonyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2013 06:43 Rhine wrote:
So because Blizzard implemented a feature that people wanted, you should get something more? You bought the benefit of multiple accounts earlier than everyone else. That's what you purchased with money. It just seems awfully entitled to now request compensation. You can't ask for stuff if you've paid full price for something that goes on sale later, even if the price was supposed to be lower in the first place. You bought it and enjoyed the benefits since you thought it would be useful for you.

The question of whether global play is a luxury or not is meaningless. You bought multiple copies. The developer can just as well maintain segregated play and you can do is voice your opinion by not giving them your money. People rightfully complain about lack of global play, but it turns out it's not such a big deal. Those highly interested people are willing to pay more for that feature. Now that feature is provided for everyone included in the price. In the eyes of the developer this is extra effort on their part (for no monetary gain) and now they have to also compensate the hardcore people? Why should they even implement this, considering people didn't think it was that big of a deal in the first place?

Blizzard are removing something.

I already paid for more, they are taking away what I paid for. I paid for 2 SC2 accounts, they are taking one away, and upgrading the other.
Now I would have one SC2 account and not the 2 I paid for.
So yes, I should get something to replace the SC2 account they are taking away.


You paid for 2 accounts. Now you have 4 accounts. What's the problem again? Before you could play on 2 regions, and now you can play on all of them except china. lol. And you want something more. You paid for the ability to play on NA and EU or something. You still have the ability to play on NA and EU. Only now you can play on NA, EU, KR, SEA. You're right, blizzard should give you even more.
Wahaha
Elairec
Profile Joined June 2011
United States410 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-27 22:18:55
January 27 2013 22:18 GMT
#131
No, actually he should have 2 accounts and 8 playable "characters". Please just let this thread die because so many people aren't comprehending what the problem actually is.
aike
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1629 Posts
January 27 2013 22:44 GMT
#132
On January 28 2013 07:18 Elairec wrote:
No, actually he should have 2 accounts and 8 playable "characters". Please just let this thread die because so many people aren't comprehending what the problem actually is.


It's not blizzard's fault he's an idiot. I have 3 copies of sc2. Guess what, they are all on different accounts. Because I knew this would happen. He bought the extra copies for the strict purpose of playing on other servers. They didn't take anything away by adding global play, they GAVE HIM MORE. Before global play, did he have 2 NA accounts? no. So he didn't lose anything, therefor blizzard doesn't owe him anything. He bought the accounts to play other servers, guess what, he was allowed to play on other servers. Aka he bought a product, and used it. having used said product, he is entitled to nothing more. As someone said earlier... Just because I bought the game day 1 for $60, and someone else didn't buy the game until just now for $40, it doesn't mean blizzard owes me $20 because the game is now cheaper. We buy things because we want to play something NOW, not in 2 years. You bought extra accounts so you could play other servers NOW. That's how things work. He literally lost nothing, and by not losing anything he is not owed anything.
Wahaha
Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
January 27 2013 22:52 GMT
#133
On January 28 2013 07:44 aike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2013 07:18 Elairec wrote:
No, actually he should have 2 accounts and 8 playable "characters". Please just let this thread die because so many people aren't comprehending what the problem actually is.


It's not blizzard's fault he's an idiot. I have 3 copies of sc2. Guess what, they are all on different accounts. Because I knew this would happen. He bought the extra copies for the strict purpose of playing on other servers. They didn't take anything away by adding global play, they GAVE HIM MORE. Before global play, did he have 2 NA accounts? no. So he didn't lose anything, therefor blizzard doesn't owe him anything. He bought the accounts to play other servers, guess what, he was allowed to play on other servers. Aka he bought a product, and used it. having used said product, he is entitled to nothing more. As someone said earlier... Just because I bought the game day 1 for $60, and someone else didn't buy the game until just now for $40, it doesn't mean blizzard owes me $20 because the game is now cheaper. We buy things because we want to play something NOW, not in 2 years. You bought extra accounts so you could play other servers NOW. That's how things work. He literally lost nothing, and by not losing anything he is not owed anything.

Funny how he "literally lost nothing", yet both him and you bought exactly the same.. and here you are, having twice as many SC2 accounts as him. Must be magic happening.
Elairec
Profile Joined June 2011
United States410 Posts
January 27 2013 22:57 GMT
#134
Nobody is asking for more than they are entitled to (except maybe the op). I bought an extra copy on the same email because of convenience of use and being able to manage both of them through one account, yet we are idiots for this? No.
Pucca
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Taiwan1280 Posts
January 27 2013 23:00 GMT
#135
Awww shit all my time spent on SEA gone to waste.
Master Chief
kYem
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom412 Posts
January 27 2013 23:02 GMT
#136
This is giant troll thread, a nice poll at the start would have solved this long time ago.
Hell
Comadevil
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany214 Posts
January 27 2013 23:03 GMT
#137
On January 27 2013 07:35 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
I have 2 regions under 1 b.net acct. With global play, even though there's still 2 acct linked, I can only login to one.


Global Play is not released and so it is no wonder that this isn't functioning yet
aike
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1629 Posts
January 27 2013 23:38 GMT
#138
On January 28 2013 07:52 Conti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2013 07:44 aike wrote:
On January 28 2013 07:18 Elairec wrote:
No, actually he should have 2 accounts and 8 playable "characters". Please just let this thread die because so many people aren't comprehending what the problem actually is.


It's not blizzard's fault he's an idiot. I have 3 copies of sc2. Guess what, they are all on different accounts. Because I knew this would happen. He bought the extra copies for the strict purpose of playing on other servers. They didn't take anything away by adding global play, they GAVE HIM MORE. Before global play, did he have 2 NA accounts? no. So he didn't lose anything, therefor blizzard doesn't owe him anything. He bought the accounts to play other servers, guess what, he was allowed to play on other servers. Aka he bought a product, and used it. having used said product, he is entitled to nothing more. As someone said earlier... Just because I bought the game day 1 for $60, and someone else didn't buy the game until just now for $40, it doesn't mean blizzard owes me $20 because the game is now cheaper. We buy things because we want to play something NOW, not in 2 years. You bought extra accounts so you could play other servers NOW. That's how things work. He literally lost nothing, and by not losing anything he is not owed anything.

Funny how he "literally lost nothing", yet both him and you bought exactly the same.. and here you are, having twice as many SC2 accounts as him. Must be magic happening.


Sally has 2 apples, and bill has 2 apples. A week later, Sally has 4 apples and Bill has 8 apples. How many fewer apples does Sally have week 2 than she had week 1?
Wahaha
Rhine
Profile Joined October 2011
187 Posts
January 27 2013 23:45 GMT
#139
On January 28 2013 07:00 Lonyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2013 06:43 Rhine wrote:
So because Blizzard implemented a feature that people wanted, you should get something more? You bought the benefit of multiple accounts earlier than everyone else. That's what you purchased with money. It just seems awfully entitled to now request compensation. You can't ask for stuff if you've paid full price for something that goes on sale later, even if the price was supposed to be lower in the first place. You bought it and enjoyed the benefits since you thought it would be useful for you.

The question of whether global play is a luxury or not is meaningless. You bought multiple copies. The developer can just as well maintain segregated play and you can do is voice your opinion by not giving them your money. People rightfully complain about lack of global play, but it turns out it's not such a big deal. Those highly interested people are willing to pay more for that feature. Now that feature is provided for everyone included in the price. In the eyes of the developer this is extra effort on their part (for no monetary gain) and now they have to also compensate the hardcore people? Why should they even implement this, considering people didn't think it was that big of a deal in the first place?

Blizzard are removing something.

I already paid for more, they are taking away what I paid for. I paid for 2 SC2 accounts, they are taking one away, and upgrading the other.
Now I would have one SC2 account and not the 2 I paid for.
So yes, I should get something to replace the SC2 account they are taking away.


ok, sure, in that case you should get your second account. I thought the initial post was asking about some kind of monetary compensation because of the fact that global play is now online.
Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
January 28 2013 00:03 GMT
#140
On January 28 2013 08:38 aike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2013 07:52 Conti wrote:
On January 28 2013 07:44 aike wrote:
On January 28 2013 07:18 Elairec wrote:
No, actually he should have 2 accounts and 8 playable "characters". Please just let this thread die because so many people aren't comprehending what the problem actually is.


It's not blizzard's fault he's an idiot. I have 3 copies of sc2. Guess what, they are all on different accounts. Because I knew this would happen. He bought the extra copies for the strict purpose of playing on other servers. They didn't take anything away by adding global play, they GAVE HIM MORE. Before global play, did he have 2 NA accounts? no. So he didn't lose anything, therefor blizzard doesn't owe him anything. He bought the accounts to play other servers, guess what, he was allowed to play on other servers. Aka he bought a product, and used it. having used said product, he is entitled to nothing more. As someone said earlier... Just because I bought the game day 1 for $60, and someone else didn't buy the game until just now for $40, it doesn't mean blizzard owes me $20 because the game is now cheaper. We buy things because we want to play something NOW, not in 2 years. You bought extra accounts so you could play other servers NOW. That's how things work. He literally lost nothing, and by not losing anything he is not owed anything.

Funny how he "literally lost nothing", yet both him and you bought exactly the same.. and here you are, having twice as many SC2 accounts as him. Must be magic happening.


Sally has 2 apples, and bill has 2 apples. A week later, Sally has 4 apples and Bill has 8 apples. How many fewer apples does Sally have week 2 than she had week 1?

Well, maybe explaining the situation like that does help, so here we go..

All Sally wants is to have the same amount of apples as Bill, since they both paid exactly the same amount of money for their two apples. Which, up until this point, were exactly the same two sets of apples, too. There was no practical difference between the two sets of apples.

And suddenly Bill has 8, while Sally has 4. Sally doesn't think that's fair at all! But Bill says Sally's just some entitled bitch who wants 4 apples for free. Sure, Bill got 4 apples for free, too. But those 4 free apples are totally different from the 4 apples that Sally wants for free. Totally.

Yeah.
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