KeSPA announced on the 11th that the member teams have agreed to hold an open 'posting' process for PartinG, who has recently left Startale.
Recently teamless after his contract with Startale ended, PartinG expressed his desire to join a KeSPA team. The Association and all of its member teams have agreed on the method of PartinG's posting and the timing for his Proleague appearances.
Through the Association, PartinG has already negotiated and agreed to the terms regarding salary and joining a KeSPA team, and the process will be carried out fairly with teams desiring to acquire PartinG putting in their bids afterward.
The Association will receive bids on PartinG until the 11th, and in the case multiple teams make bids, the team to acquire PartinG will be decided on through a random drawing on the 14th with PartinG, and team and KeSPA officials present.
The above posting method will apply not only to PartinG, but all eSF players who become teamless at the end of their contracts and express their desire to join a KeSPA team.
Also, in the case this posting process occurs again for a teamless player, teams that have already acquired a player through the posting will receive a lesser priority in the bidding and lottery process.
In addition, according to the KeSPA player protection agreement, and for the fairness of Proleague competition, PartinG will be unable to play immediately after joining a KeSPA team. PartinG will be able to play in Proleague in round four, after the release of Heart of the Swarm. He may compete in individual and international tournaments without restriction
KT rolster gg. but blocking him out from WoL i think is a good move. It's like throwing the lion in the pit with tiger cubs and expecting the cubs to win.
On January 11 2013 14:22 Dakkas wrote: So the trade embargo only works on players on teams? Leaving them bypasses that? Doesn't that seem a bit.....easy?
Only if they have their contracts expire. Parting's contract expired at the end of the year. Also dislike that multiple bids results in a random drawing. It should go to whoever has the lowest ranking at the time of the 'draw' (so Samsung in this case).
On January 11 2013 14:22 Dakkas wrote: So the trade embargo only works on players on teams? Leaving them bypasses that? Doesn't that seem a bit.....easy?
I don't think Parting 'left' Startale; rather, his contract expired.
On January 11 2013 14:22 Dakkas wrote: So the trade embargo only works on players on teams? Leaving them bypasses that? Doesn't that seem a bit.....easy?
Read it again, it specifically mentions players whose contracts have expired. eSF players won't be able to quit their teams on a whim to move to a KeSPA team - they have to play out their contracts.
I know this sounds weird... but I'd like to see Samsung. JangBi and Stork, learning with a vet and innovator like Parting... it would be so awesome I think would just be good for the game itself.
On January 11 2013 14:24 MCXD wrote: I'm probably the only one who feels that this is an incredible betrayal.
Guess in a few months we'll never see PartinG in anything ever but SPL, OSL and maybe WCS.
yeah, parting to kespa is pretty ughh Kind of surprising to see him go to a KeSPA team though. Wonder what the motivation was? Does he think he can make the big bucks there, and not with a foreign team? Or did he fail with foreign teams?
Really hope he goes to STX/Khan/T8. STX hasn't been in as much trouble recently, but they always get the short end of the stick
We should hope this isn't too Bogus, and everyone can remain Calm. It'd be really Classic if he joined SKT1 or something, given the Size of his skill. This could be the Last time such a player of his calibur is free agent for so long. Truly the Soul of protoss, with a lot of Innovation.
On January 11 2013 14:28 aRyuujin wrote: Wonder what the motivation was?(
PartinG is one of the most popular players in Korea (apparently) and had a superb end of the year. KeSPA saw that, dove on him, and outgunned StarTale in the $$$ department.
On January 11 2013 14:24 MCXD wrote: I'm probably the only one who feels that this is an incredible betrayal.
Guess in a few months we'll never see PartinG in anything ever but SPL, OSL and maybe WCS.
yeah, parting to kespa is pretty ughh Kind of surprising to see him go to a KeSPA team though. Wonder what the motivation was? Does he think he can make the big bucks there, and not with a foreign team? Or did he fail with foreign teams?
Really hope he goes to STX/Khan/T8. STX hasn't been in as much trouble recently, but they always get the short end of the stick
KeSPA teams are the only organizations in the world able to offer the lucrative six-figure salaries that players dream of acquiring. Not only to mention, he's at the peak of his career achievement-wise, winning both WCG and WCS.
On January 11 2013 14:28 aRyuujin wrote: Wonder what the motivation was?(
PartinG is one of the most popular players in Korea (apparently) and had a superb end of the year. KeSPA saw that, dove on him, and outgunned StarTale in the $$$ department.
it's clear that no foreign team has KeSPA money (except EG, and they already spent their money on JD), so if PartinG wants the money, this was the right pick.
You could argue it would have been been +EV to join a foreign team that would send him around the world and try to make foreign tourney money, but people typically pick guaranteed money if it comes down to a decision like that
On January 11 2013 14:22 Dakkas wrote: So the trade embargo only works on players on teams? Leaving them bypasses that? Doesn't that seem a bit.....easy?
Only if they have their contracts expire. Parting's contract expired at the end of the year. Also dislike that multiple bids results in a random drawing. It should go to whoever has the lowest ranking at the time of the 'draw' (so Samsung in this case).
Also worth mentioning is that KT already has a ex-SlayerS Terran on their roster so it's nothing they have done to just get PartinG.
On January 11 2013 14:24 MCXD wrote: I'm probably the only one who feels that this is an incredible betrayal.
Guess in a few months we'll never see PartinG in anything ever but SPL, OSL and maybe WCS.
yeah, parting to kespa is pretty ughh Kind of surprising to see him go to a KeSPA team though. Wonder what the motivation was? Does he think he can make the big bucks there, and not with a foreign team? Or did he fail with foreign teams?
Really hope he goes to STX/Khan/T8. STX hasn't been in as much trouble recently, but they always get the short end of the stick
Speculation: he wants more stability on his career.
On January 11 2013 14:28 Waxangel wrote: It's funny that Woongjin actually is the team that needs him the most, as it will be hilarious when Flying has to wash PartinG's dishes
Woongjin already has Shy, and while I do love Trap, Mini, and Dear, STX could really use a Protoss of Parting's caliber
On January 11 2013 14:29 Lastshadow wrote: WE should hope this isn't too Bogus, and everyone can remain Calm. It'd be ReallyClassic if he joined SKT1 or something, given the Size of his skill. This could be the Last time such a player of his calibur is free agent for so long. Truly the souL of Protoss, with a lot of Innovation.
On January 11 2013 14:28 aRyuujin wrote: Wonder what the motivation was?(
PartinG is one of the most popular players in Korea (apparently) and had a superb end of the year. KeSPA saw that, dove on him, and outgunned StarTale in the $$$ department.
it's clear that no foreign team has KeSPA money, so if PartinG wants the money, this was the right pick
I have no problem with PartinG getting the money he deserves. I have every problem with the fact it means we'll never see him play in things like IPTL or other not-korean events, aside from maaaybe MLG if he gets one of the lucky 3-4 seeds they hand out every blue moon, and WCS. I don't consider his fault.
On January 11 2013 14:26 WigglingSquid wrote: In case of multiple bids, there will be a random draw...? That just sounds so weird.
Indeed that sounds weird. Something might have been lost in the translation. Perhaps that in the event of multiple equal highest bid, there will be a random draw?
On January 11 2013 14:26 WigglingSquid wrote: In case of multiple bids, there will be a random draw...? That just sounds so weird.
Indeed that sounds weird. Something might have been lost in the translation. Perhaps that in the event of multiple equal highest bid, there will be a random draw?
i believe that the salary has already been agreed between kespa and parting. now its left for which team who is willing to pay that salary to get him. and if multiple teams applied, it is decided by random draw.
And so begins ESF losing its star/best players to Kespa because they have more money ;/
Parting deserves this, so good for him, it just sucks for Startale.
The good news is they said his international tournament participation won't be limited, at least for now. He qualified for IEM and will be going there next weekend.
On January 11 2013 14:37 Dodgin wrote: And so begins ESF losing its star/best players to Kespa because they have more money ;/
Parting deserves this, so good for him, it just sucks for Startale.
The good news is they said his international tournament participation won't be limited, at least for now. He qualified for IEM and will be going there next weekend.
PR. SPL (and OSL when it's on) is put first, which is on almost daily. It crowds out the timetable and makes attending non-kespa tourneys incredibly difficult. EG even said that's the entire reason why they've suddenly invested in tons of players, to get around that fact. They won't let an ace player just haphazardly compete in whatever comps, online or offline, they want, if it sacrifices SPL/OSL practice/prep.
On January 11 2013 14:37 Dodgin wrote: And so begins ESF losing its star/best players to Kespa because they have more money ;/
Parting deserves this, so good for him, it just sucks for Startale.
The good news is they said his international tournament participation won't be limited, at least for now. He qualified for IEM and will be going there next weekend.
I wonder how much is KeSPA paying him. I mean, he got a personal sponsorship from Red Bull, no? So, the amount must have been pretty decent to beat that.
On January 11 2013 14:24 MCXD wrote: I'm probably the only one who feels that this is an incredible betrayal.
Guess in a few months we'll never see PartinG in anything ever but SPL, OSL and maybe WCS.
yeah, parting to kespa is pretty ughh Kind of surprising to see him go to a KeSPA team though. Wonder what the motivation was? Does he think he can make the big bucks there, and not with a foreign team? Or did he fail with foreign teams?
Really hope he goes to STX/Khan/T8. STX hasn't been in as much trouble recently, but they always get the short end of the stick
Speculation: he wants more stability on his career.
pretty much this. Tell me one team that wont face the possibility of disbanding unexpectedly aside from EG/TL
I'm probably the only one who feels that this is an incredible betrayal.
Guess in a few months we'll never see PartinG in anything ever but SPL sometimes, OSL and maybe WCS.
Im fine with seeing him 3 times a week, every week
On January 11 2013 14:24 MCXD wrote: I'm probably the only one who feels that this is an incredible betrayal.
Guess in a few months we'll never see PartinG in anything ever but SPL, OSL and maybe WCS.
yeah, parting to kespa is pretty ughh Kind of surprising to see him go to a KeSPA team though. Wonder what the motivation was? Does he think he can make the big bucks there, and not with a foreign team? Or did he fail with foreign teams?
Really hope he goes to STX/Khan/T8. STX hasn't been in as much trouble recently, but they always get the short end of the stick
Speculation: he wants more stability on his career.
pretty much this. Tell me one team that wont face the possibility of disbanding unexpectedly aside from EG/TL
On January 11 2013 14:24 MCXD wrote: I'm probably the only one who feels that this is an incredible betrayal.
Guess in a few months we'll never see PartinG in anything ever but SPL, OSL and maybe WCS.
yeah, parting to kespa is pretty ughh Kind of surprising to see him go to a KeSPA team though. Wonder what the motivation was? Does he think he can make the big bucks there, and not with a foreign team? Or did he fail with foreign teams?
Really hope he goes to STX/Khan/T8. STX hasn't been in as much trouble recently, but they always get the short end of the stick
Speculation: he wants more stability on his career.
pretty much this. Tell me one team that wont face the possibility of disbanding unexpectedly aside from EG/TL
On January 11 2013 14:24 MCXD wrote: I'm probably the only one who feels that this is an incredible betrayal.
Guess in a few months we'll never see PartinG in anything ever but SPL, OSL and maybe WCS.
yeah, parting to kespa is pretty ughh Kind of surprising to see him go to a KeSPA team though. Wonder what the motivation was? Does he think he can make the big bucks there, and not with a foreign team? Or did he fail with foreign teams?
Really hope he goes to STX/Khan/T8. STX hasn't been in as much trouble recently, but they always get the short end of the stick
Speculation: he wants more stability on his career.
pretty much this. Tell me one team that wont face the possibility of disbanding unexpectedly aside from EG/TL
On January 11 2013 14:24 MCXD wrote: I'm probably the only one who feels that this is an incredible betrayal.
Guess in a few months we'll never see PartinG in anything ever but SPL, OSL and maybe WCS.
yeah, parting to kespa is pretty ughh Kind of surprising to see him go to a KeSPA team though. Wonder what the motivation was? Does he think he can make the big bucks there, and not with a foreign team? Or did he fail with foreign teams?
Really hope he goes to STX/Khan/T8. STX hasn't been in as much trouble recently, but they always get the short end of the stick
Speculation: he wants more stability on his career.
pretty much this. Tell me one team that wont face the possibility of disbanding unexpectedly aside from EG/TL
StarTale
Actually this isn't entirely true. StarTale had to disband their LoL roster due to financial difficulties, and have shown hints of instability. LG-IM and Azubu are the most stable right now.
On January 11 2013 14:24 MCXD wrote: I'm probably the only one who feels that this is an incredible betrayal.
Guess in a few months we'll never see PartinG in anything ever but SPL, OSL and maybe WCS.
yeah, parting to kespa is pretty ughh Kind of surprising to see him go to a KeSPA team though. Wonder what the motivation was? Does he think he can make the big bucks there, and not with a foreign team? Or did he fail with foreign teams?
Really hope he goes to STX/Khan/T8. STX hasn't been in as much trouble recently, but they always get the short end of the stick
Speculation: he wants more stability on his career.
pretty much this. Tell me one team that wont face the possibility of disbanding unexpectedly aside from EG/TL
StarTale
Actually this isn't entirely true. StarTale had to disband their LoL roster due to financial difficulties, and have shown hints of instability. LG-IM and Azubu are the most stable right now.
incorrect actually. Startale's LoL team wanted quite a bit more money then they were getting, the Startale manager didn't think that they were worth it and so the LoL team disbanded.
It's not about stability, It's about the Won's. Kespa teams can afford a high salary while none of the ESF teams can because they are either poor or already using their whole budget to pay the salaries of their star players and can't add a 6 figure Parting onto it.
LG-IM, Startale, FXO and Team MVP are stable and fine.
Also Azubu until proven otherwise, they've been investing an insane amount of money into esports through sponsoring the first two seasons of The Champion's, two LoL teams and the CSL.
On January 11 2013 14:24 MCXD wrote: I'm probably the only one who feels that this is an incredible betrayal.
Guess in a few months we'll never see PartinG in anything ever but SPL, OSL and maybe WCS.
yeah, parting to kespa is pretty ughh Kind of surprising to see him go to a KeSPA team though. Wonder what the motivation was? Does he think he can make the big bucks there, and not with a foreign team? Or did he fail with foreign teams?
Really hope he goes to STX/Khan/T8. STX hasn't been in as much trouble recently, but they always get the short end of the stick
Speculation: he wants more stability on his career.
pretty much this. Tell me one team that wont face the possibility of disbanding unexpectedly aside from EG/TL
StarTale
Actually this isn't entirely true. StarTale had to disband their LoL roster due to financial difficulties, and have shown hints of instability. LG-IM and Azubu are the most stable right now.
I thought they cut their LoL team because it sux and going nowhere , my bad.
On January 11 2013 14:44 Zariel wrote: TBH, I think he would join STX. Team-8 seems a very likely candidate but they seem to be doing not bad at the moment.
Would T8 have that kind of money though? I suspect Parting's salary would be Stephano like, or more.
On January 11 2013 14:24 MCXD wrote: I'm probably the only one who feels that this is an incredible betrayal.
Guess in a few months we'll never see PartinG in anything ever but SPL, OSL and maybe WCS.
yeah, parting to kespa is pretty ughh Kind of surprising to see him go to a KeSPA team though. Wonder what the motivation was? Does he think he can make the big bucks there, and not with a foreign team? Or did he fail with foreign teams?
Really hope he goes to STX/Khan/T8. STX hasn't been in as much trouble recently, but they always get the short end of the stick
Speculation: he wants more stability on his career.
pretty much this. Tell me one team that wont face the possibility of disbanding unexpectedly aside from EG/TL
StarTale
Actually this isn't entirely true. StarTale had to disband their LoL roster due to financial difficulties, and have shown hints of instability. LG-IM and Azubu are the most stable right now.
incorrect actually. Startale's LoL team wanted quite a bit more money then they were getting, the Startale manager didn't think that they were worth it and so the LoL team disbanded.
On January 11 2013 14:24 MCXD wrote: I'm probably the only one who feels that this is an incredible betrayal.
Guess in a few months we'll never see PartinG in anything ever but SPL, OSL and maybe WCS.
yeah, parting to kespa is pretty ughh Kind of surprising to see him go to a KeSPA team though. Wonder what the motivation was? Does he think he can make the big bucks there, and not with a foreign team? Or did he fail with foreign teams?
Really hope he goes to STX/Khan/T8. STX hasn't been in as much trouble recently, but they always get the short end of the stick
Speculation: he wants more stability on his career.
pretty much this. Tell me one team that wont face the possibility of disbanding unexpectedly aside from EG/TL
StarTale
Actually this isn't entirely true. StarTale had to disband their LoL roster due to financial difficulties, and have shown hints of instability. LG-IM and Azubu are the most stable right now.
incorrect actually. Startale's LoL team wanted quite a bit more money then they were getting, the Startale manager didn't think that they were worth it and so the LoL team disbanded.
SKT1. PartinG will train with Rain, and teach Bisu, Afrotoss, Best and some other toss player how to play Protoss. Then they will become the new Six Dragons, and will destroy everyone in 2014.
Not sure what the "bids" means. Are they bidding for rights to sign him via a payment to KeSpa, or are they just expressing interest in paying the salary. Not exactly sure what you "bid" on if the contract has already been negotiated.
I would love to see Parting join samsung Khan or STX Soul. These teams really need help with their roster and if he went to a team like KT, SKT1, or CJ he would might get over shadowed by other big names. Even though parting is a HUGE name I still think Kespa fans are going to be geared more towards cheering for the players that were already on the team rather than some ESF player.
On January 11 2013 14:44 Zariel wrote: TBH, I think he would join STX. Team-8 seems a very likely candidate but they seem to be doing not bad at the moment.
It probably wont be T8 because they didn't have the money to keep JaeDong and Im assuming that Parting is going to get paid at least 3/4 of his salary. I think T8 would much rather have JaeDong back instead of Parting because JaeDong is so much better of a marketing tool then Parting.
On January 11 2013 14:43 Dodgin wrote: It's not about stability, It's about the Won's. Kespa teams can afford a high salary while none of the ESF teams can because they are either poor or already using their whole budget to pay the salaries of their star players and can't add a 6 figure Parting onto it.
LG-IM, Startale, FXO and Team MVP are stable and fine.
Also Azubu until proven otherwise, they've been investing an insane amount of money into esports through sponsoring the first two seasons of The Champion's, two LoL teams and the CSL.
that Won means stability lol. He will get to enjoy every worker's benefit for technically being an employee of these corporations. Aside from big money, dont you want vacation, insurance, free lasik surgery, post-gaming career offer and stuffs? Thats stability for you.
Well at least that rules out most foreign teams which is a joke of organization (no offense) and a few struggling eSF teams.
On January 11 2013 14:22 Dakkas wrote: So the trade embargo only works on players on teams? Leaving them bypasses that? Doesn't that seem a bit.....easy?
Only if they have their contracts expire. Parting's contract expired at the end of the year. Also dislike that multiple bids results in a random drawing. It should go to whoever has the lowest ranking at the time of the 'draw' (so Samsung in this case).
Samsung Would benefit so so so much if parting was on their team. He could teach the protoss team how to play sc2 >_>
wow so look forward to parting's performance against kespa players on the spl maps....those maps are so interesting, they are basically the main reason i wanna watch spl
On January 11 2013 14:43 Dodgin wrote: It's not about stability, It's about the Won's. Kespa teams can afford a high salary while none of the ESF teams can because they are either poor or already using their whole budget to pay the salaries of their star players and can't add a 6 figure Parting onto it.
LG-IM, Startale, FXO and Team MVP are stable and fine.
Also Azubu until proven otherwise, they've been investing an insane amount of money into esports through sponsoring the first two seasons of The Champion's, two LoL teams and the CSL.
that Won means stability lol. He will get to enjoy every worker's benefit for technically being an employee of these corporations. Aside from big money, dont you want vacation, insurance, free lasik surgery, post-gaming career offer and stuffs? Thats stability for you.
Well at least that rules out most foreign teams which is a joke of organization (no offense) and a few struggling eSF teams.
I meant stability in the way that his team isn't going to disband at random, but yes it is a more " stable " career to be employed by a team that gives those benefits and a good salary.
Interesting. Parting almost would become the strongest sc2 player in proleague overnight so they're putting him on a 1 round bye haha.
Any team would benefit from him. Stars would be the best for Parting and Flying shipping.
I feel a bit sad he went ESF to Kespa, though it's understandable since too many ESF teams are unstable and unfortunately without proper salaries. As people have said: it's basically LG-IM in ESF that's safe. ST, MVP, Prime, NSHS aren't. Foreign investments are typically "safe" (Azubu, SK, TL, EG, Fnatic, FXO) but even then most of them are reliant upon more private sponsorships I believe.
Still wondering if FXOBoss's suggestion of Kespa buying out ESF teams and GSL will just work out best for everyone in the short and long run?
Not letting Parting play is a travesty wtf. Wow. Would bring in so much hype for PL.
Also, the random team selection for multiple bidder situations is iffy to me. If KT got Parting and then MvP decided to join a kespa team, could KT bid again? It's unlikely they would win two players by chance in a row but it could happen. Just seems like an odd system for bidding.
On January 11 2013 14:43 Dodgin wrote: It's not about stability, It's about the Won's. Kespa teams can afford a high salary while none of the ESF teams can because they are either poor or already using their whole budget to pay the salaries of their star players and can't add a 6 figure Parting onto it.
LG-IM, Startale, FXO and Team MVP are stable and fine.
Also Azubu until proven otherwise, they've been investing an insane amount of money into esports through sponsoring the first two seasons of The Champion's, two LoL teams and the CSL.
that Won means stability lol. He will get to enjoy every worker's benefit for technically being an employee of these corporations. Aside from big money, dont you want vacation, insurance, free lasik surgery, post-gaming career offer and stuffs? Thats stability for you.
Well at least that rules out most foreign teams which is a joke of organization (no offense) and a few struggling eSF teams.
Actually, stability and money isn't the same thing. High risk ventures can earn lots of money, but isn't at all stable, while government jobs are stable, but most likely won't earn you lots of money.
On January 11 2013 14:55 Vasoline73 wrote: Not letting Parting play is a travesty wtf. Wow. Would bring in so much hype for PL.
Also, the random team selection for multiple bidder situations is iffy to me. If KT got Parting and then MvP decided to join a kespa team, could KT bid again? It's unlikely they would win two players by chance in a row but it could happen. Just seems like an odd system for bidding.
They did say that a team that acquires a player through this system will not get priority for the next player until every other team gets at least 1 player.
On January 11 2013 14:55 lim1017 wrote: since the players on esf receive no salary... wouldn't it make sense for them to want to join a kespa team??
He wasn't getting nothing on Startale, but yes the poorer ESF teams like TSL which just disbanded were not paying their players anything.
What a Kespa team can offer exceeds anything a ESF team can offer unless he joined LG-IM and was given equal salary to Mvp and NesTea. ( but that can't happen because It's not in their budget )
On January 11 2013 14:55 Vasoline73 wrote: Not letting Parting play is a travesty wtf. Wow. Would bring in so much hype for PL.
Also, the random team selection for multiple bidder situations is iffy to me. If KT got Parting and then MvP decided to join a kespa team, could KT bid again? It's unlikely they would win two players by chance in a row but it could happen. Just seems like an odd system for bidding.
As long as they can afford it. Then again even with salary cap, the Heat still managed enough room for DWade, LeBron and Bosh
Good choice by Parting. With HotS out soon, you never know what's gonna happen, better grab a good stable contract right now, rather than hoping for tournament winnings later.
i can see skt1 and kt bidding on him as i read somewhere those two have DEEP pockets. would be funny if he ended up on samsung with troll january as coach to never play him.
On January 11 2013 14:55 Vasoline73 wrote: Not letting Parting play is a travesty wtf. Wow. Would bring in so much hype for PL.
Also, the random team selection for multiple bidder situations is iffy to me. If KT got Parting and then MvP decided to join a kespa team, could KT bid again? It's unlikely they would win two players by chance in a row but it could happen. Just seems like an odd system for bidding.
As long as they can afford it. Then again even with salary cap, the Heat still managed enough room for DWade, LeBron and Bosh
Because they all signed on to back-heavy contracts assuming that the team would have already won championships and earned enough dough to offset their contracts by then. I think their first seasons were all around $14m, well below their market values and well below max contracts. They are in the luxury right now though.
And to make this a more relevant post, I kinda want him to go to Khan, like others have mentioned, to teach Stork and JangBi.
On January 11 2013 14:43 Dodgin wrote: It's not about stability, It's about the Won's. Kespa teams can afford a high salary while none of the ESF teams can because they are either poor or already using their whole budget to pay the salaries of their star players and can't add a 6 figure Parting onto it.
LG-IM, Startale, FXO and Team MVP are stable and fine.
Also Azubu until proven otherwise, they've been investing an insane amount of money into esports through sponsoring the first two seasons of The Champion's, two LoL teams and the CSL.
that Won means stability lol. He will get to enjoy every worker's benefit for technically being an employee of these corporations. Aside from big money, dont you want vacation, insurance, free lasik surgery, post-gaming career offer and stuffs? Thats stability for you.
Well at least that rules out most foreign teams which is a joke of organization (no offense) and a few struggling eSF teams.
Indeed. Even teams like Estro were much more stable than Startale. Its funny though Samsung Khan has one of the best workers benenfits even though they pay much less salaries than teams like T1 and Rolster.
On January 11 2013 14:40 Iodem wrote: SKT1 please, Parting needs to train Bisu!
Please, please, please, please let this be the case! Parting can be my favourite Korean Protoss again if he joins us!
Kinda sucks we won't get to see him in Pro-league for a while though. Sure he would rip a whole bunch of Kespa heads off, but I think his play is good enough to attract new viewers, and the experience of getting mauled by one of the best in the world can only help other players improve.
On January 11 2013 15:05 brumzy wrote: Someone care to explain the deal with PartinG and Sun chips? I know he did a ceremony with them.. but I didn't get it? ;x
Parting beat 8th team TY in osl. Ty;'s korean name is Tae Yang, which literally means sun. Thus the sun chip ceremony
Its got to be samsung khan tbh. Samsung are THE protoss team, they have the money and they need the players. They would instantly turn into a powerhouse with jangbi as the fastest improving player in proleague as well. Wouldnt complain if he joined cj though.
On January 11 2013 14:23 bo1b wrote: I wanna see him join up with Stars, so he can wash dishes for flying again.
wins the thread, but maybe Baby wants him to clean the dishes for team 8, and asks his manager to throw out all whats left in order to hire this golden boy?
whatever is the case, he`ll be one hell of an expensive dishwasher to hire
On January 11 2013 14:24 MCXD wrote: I'm probably the only one who feels that this is an incredible betrayal.
Guess in a few months we'll never see PartinG in anything ever but SPL sometimes, OSL and maybe WCS.
I am not sure why you view it as a betrayal. He played out his contract and was a free agent. It is not any different from players like Sea and JD joining TL and EG respectively. It would be different if he did it mid contract, but I don't see it as an issue at all.
And PartinG will also play in GSL and probably MLGs (and other foreign events which Kespa allows).
On January 11 2013 15:13 achan1058 wrote: Now, if you are Startale, what do you do. With Parting gone, you probably have some money to poach a player or two.
Bomber, Golden, Hack, Squirtle, Golden Curious, Life
SKT has 1 fantastic Protoss in Rain but I think Best and Bisu can catch up by round 4. I hope he goes to one of the lower ranked teams like Samsung or the 8th team.
On January 11 2013 15:13 achan1058 wrote: Now, if you are Startale, what do you do. With Parting gone, you probably have some money to poach a player or two.
Bomber, Golden, Hack, Squirtle, Golden Curious, Life
I think they're going to be just fine.
Oh, I am talking about what to do with the freed up money that came from Parting's departure. I suppose you can use it to increase some of the existing player's salary as well.
On January 11 2013 15:13 achan1058 wrote: Now, if you are Startale, what do you do. With Parting gone, you probably have some money to poach a player or two.
I am not sure about that. Obviously, we don't know about the exact length of player contracts and whether their salary were adjusted mid way. But PartinG's contract just expired, so let say the contracts were for one year (seems reasonable). PartinG would have signed his sometime towards the end of 2011. At that time, he was pretty much a no name so I doubt he got a big salary.
Hopefully, one of the teams that are not doing as well will pick him up.
On January 11 2013 14:21 Shyndashu wrote: KT rolster gg. but blocking him out from WoL i think is a good move. It's like throwing the lion in the pit with tiger cubs and expecting the cubs to win.
Kespa players are very good. This season of Proleague has shown some really nice games. It's really unfair and biased to assume that Parting would be so much better than the Kespa players when he's lost to multiple Kespa players before.
If PartinG joins Kespa team, does that mean he's not gonna play foreign tournaments anymore? Kespa just don't send people oversea as often as eSF does.
On January 11 2013 15:13 achan1058 wrote: Now, if you are Startale, what do you do. With Parting gone, you probably have some money to poach a player or two.
I am not sure about that. Obviously, we don't know about the exact length of player contracts and whether their salary were adjusted mid way. But PartinG's contract just expired, so let say the contracts were for one year (seems reasonable). PartinG would have signed his sometime towards the end of 2011. At that time, he was pretty much a no name so I doubt he got a big salary.
Hopefully, one of the teams that are not doing as well will pick him up.
Well, I guess that depends on how that personal sponsorship with Red Bull worked.
This could be an incredibly good business move from PartinG, since he's looking in the best form of his career right now. I'm guessing he's going to get a really good deal from somebody. (I REALLY wouldn't mind seeing him on CJ. But does CJ have enough money to win the bidding war...? T___T)
On January 11 2013 15:35 -Kyo- wrote: I'll cry glorious tears of relief if he joins SKT1. Bisu might actually learn to play the game. Can you imagine?! PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEE T_T
If Rain can't help him, why do you think Parting would be able to help? :/
On January 11 2013 15:35 -Kyo- wrote: I'll cry glorious tears of relief if he joins SKT1. Bisu might actually learn to play the game. Can you imagine?! PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEE T_T
If Rain can't help him, why do you think Parting would be able to help? :/
I was about to say that. If Parting joins SKT1, Bisu might as well retire.
On January 11 2013 15:35 -Kyo- wrote: I'll cry glorious tears of relief if he joins SKT1. Bisu might actually learn to play the game. Can you imagine?! PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEE T_T
He already has Rain to help him out. Plus, if they got Parting, Bisu would NEVER get sent out.
On January 11 2013 14:21 Shyndashu wrote: KT rolster gg. but blocking him out from WoL i think is a good move. It's like throwing the lion in the pit with tiger cubs and expecting the cubs to win.
Kespa players are very good. This season of Proleague has shown some really nice games. It's really unfair and biased to assume that Parting would be so much better than the Kespa players when he's lost to multiple Kespa players before.
He's the WCS world champion. He recently won a few other minor events (WCG) and is on form at the moment. Parting is so much better than almost all players, Kespa or not.
On January 11 2013 15:35 -Kyo- wrote: I'll cry glorious tears of relief if he joins SKT1. Bisu might actually learn to play the game. Can you imagine?! PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEE T_T
He already has Rain to help him out. Plus, if they got Parting, Bisu would NEVER get sent out.
Yeah I don't get it why people would want PartinG to join SKT. Bisu would be pushed aside so hard. :/
I'm quite alright with it. I'll never begrudge a player for trying to make as much money as he can, while he can if someone is willing to pay it. Curious as to who it is though...
I think CJ or KT would be a good fit. Other teams are either not high-profile enough (T8, WJS, STX) or already have two famous protoss players. (Bisu/Rain, Jangbi/Stork)
What team did he play for during his Brood War days?
On January 11 2013 14:29 lastshadow wrote: We should hope this isn't too Bogus, and everyone can remain Calm. It'd be really Classic if he joined SKT1 or something, given the Size of his skill. This could be the Last time such a player of his calibur is free agent for so long. Truly the Soul of protoss, with a lot of Innovation.
Was hoping for SKT T1 but seems the inside scoop from Korean rumor mill is Parting to STX. At least he gets the salary and stability he wants with his choice of team. GLGL STX Soul Parting
On January 11 2013 14:27 Disengaged wrote: He has joined the Dark Side.
Noooooooooooooooooooo
Please, ESF isn't the benevolent organization that it wants you to believe it is either. Frankly we got 2 organizations in Kespa and ESF, and both are struggling for power, and both are willing to use underhanded tactics if it will benefit them in the long run.
Anybody else a little uneasy about KeSPA's handling of this? With sc2 so far GOM hasn't always gotten it right, but it's been pretty open and accessible for all players.
But now we have KeSPA playing in the GSL, and the door has been opened for eSF players to join KeSPA teams. But where are the eSF teams in proleague? Why does it feel (at least to me) like GOM is being open with KeSPA, but KeSPA isn't exactly being open to GOM?
I understand they are competing, but it just seems to me like KeSPA's heavy handed style of handling everything is coming back. And as KeSPA continues to become more and more relevant I fear that it's going to spell bad news for the foreign community. Hope I'm wrong
Worst part is I find myself watching proleague more often then GSL lately. Even though I think GSL is better quality matches overall, I'm just more interested in the proleague teams. I don't really know why, I just find myself more interested in the teams and storylines of proleague...and I hate that I do. I think with GOM taking the risk establishing GSL and really helping get foreigners into it that I owe them some loyalty...I mean doesn't anybody remember how exciting it was when GSL was announced and everybody would be allowed to play in it, not just KeSPA licensed progamers?
On January 11 2013 15:57 ExO_ wrote: Anybody else a little uneasy about KeSPA's handling of this? With sc2 so far GOM hasn't always gotten it right, but it's been pretty open and accessible for all players.
But now we have KeSPA playing in the GSL, and the door has been opened for eSF players to join KeSPA teams. But where are the eSF teams in proleague? Why does it feel (at least to me) like GOM is being open with KeSPA, but KeSPA isn't exactly being open to GOM?
I understand they are competing, but it just seems to me like KeSPA's heavy handed style of handling everything is coming back. And as KeSPA continues to become more and more relevant I fear that it's going to spell bad news for the foreign community. Hope I'm wrong
Worst part is I find myself watching proleague more often then GSL lately. Even though I think GSL is better quality matches overall, I'm just more interested in the proleague teams. I don't really know why, I just find myself more interested in the teams and storylines of proleague...and I hate that I do. I think with GOM taking the risk establishing GSL and really helping get foreigners into it that I owe them some loyalty...I mean doesn't anybody remember how exciting it was when GSL was announced and everybody would be allowed to play in it, not just KeSPA licensed progamers?
On January 11 2013 14:22 Dakkas wrote: So the trade embargo only works on players on teams? Leaving them bypasses that? Doesn't that seem a bit.....easy?
Only if they have their contracts expire. Parting's contract expired at the end of the year. Also dislike that multiple bids results in a random drawing. It should go to whoever has the lowest ranking at the time of the 'draw' (so Samsung in this case).
Multiple bids leading to a random draw assumes that the bids are equal? Or that the minimum Parting would accept has already been decided on and he isn't allowed to be paid more?
I would have thought that Parting could say he wants a minimum amount of compensation, and then teams would be allowed to bid whatever they value him at in excess of the minimum. Highest bid wins and no random draw needed unless 2 bids are equal.
On January 11 2013 15:57 ExO_ wrote: Anybody else a little uneasy about KeSPA's handling of this? With sc2 so far GOM hasn't always gotten it right, but it's been pretty open and accessible for all players.
But now we have KeSPA playing in the GSL, and the door has been opened for eSF players to join KeSPA teams. But where are the eSF teams in proleague? Why does it feel (at least to me) like GOM is being open with KeSPA, but KeSPA isn't exactly being open to GOM?
I understand they are competing, but it just seems to me like KeSPA's heavy handed style of handling everything is coming back. And as KeSPA continues to become more and more relevant I fear that it's going to spell bad news for the foreign community. Hope I'm wrong
Worst part is I find myself watching proleague more often then GSL lately. Even though I think GSL is better quality matches overall, I'm just more interested in the proleague teams. I don't really know why, I just find myself more interested in the teams and storylines of proleague...and I hate that I do. I think with GOM taking the risk establishing GSL and really helping get foreigners into it that I owe them some loyalty...I mean doesn't anybody remember how exciting it was when GSL was announced and everybody would be allowed to play in it, not just KeSPA licensed progamers?
ESF players aren't in Proleague because they're in the GSTL. Just like Kespa players aren't in the GSTL because they're in Proleague.
On January 11 2013 15:57 ExO_ wrote: Anybody else a little uneasy about KeSPA's handling of this? With sc2 so far GOM hasn't always gotten it right, but it's been pretty open and accessible for all players.
But now we have KeSPA playing in the GSL, and the door has been opened for eSF players to join KeSPA teams. But where are the eSF teams in proleague? Why does it feel (at least to me) like GOM is being open with KeSPA, but KeSPA isn't exactly being open to GOM?
I understand they are competing, but it just seems to me like KeSPA's heavy handed style of handling everything is coming back. And as KeSPA continues to become more and more relevant I fear that it's going to spell bad news for the foreign community. Hope I'm wrong
Worst part is I find myself watching proleague more often then GSL lately. Even though I think GSL is better quality matches overall, I'm just more interested in the proleague teams. I don't really know why, I just find myself more interested in the teams and storylines of proleague...and I hate that I do. I think with GOM taking the risk establishing GSL and really helping get foreigners into it that I owe them some loyalty...I mean doesn't anybody remember how exciting it was when GSL was announced and everybody would be allowed to play in it, not just KeSPA licensed progamers?
You are kinda wrong in the comparison. You are comparing a solo league to a team league. ESF players were in the previous OSL but no Kespa teams in GSTL.
KHAN so he can learn stork how to not suck at PvT I hope..
On January 11 2013 15:57 ExO_ wrote: Anybody else a little uneasy about KeSPA's handling of this? With sc2 so far GOM hasn't always gotten it right, but it's been pretty open and accessible for all players.
But now we have KeSPA playing in the GSL, and the door has been opened for eSF players to join KeSPA teams. But where are the eSF teams in proleague? Why does it feel (at least to me) like GOM is being open with KeSPA, but KeSPA isn't exactly being open to GOM?
I understand they are competing, but it just seems to me like KeSPA's heavy handed style of handling everything is coming back. And as KeSPA continues to become more and more relevant I fear that it's going to spell bad news for the foreign community. Hope I'm wrong
Worst part is I find myself watching proleague more often then GSL lately. Even though I think GSL is better quality matches overall, I'm just more interested in the proleague teams. I don't really know why, I just find myself more interested in the teams and storylines of proleague...and I hate that I do. I think with GOM taking the risk establishing GSL and really helping get foreigners into it that I owe them some loyalty...I mean doesn't anybody remember how exciting it was when GSL was announced and everybody would be allowed to play in it, not just KeSPA licensed progamers?
They are just protecting their players. What would've happened if they allowed eSF teams in PL right away? How would the kespa teams be able to compete when they only just switched to sc2? I'm sure PL will be more open next season.
On January 11 2013 15:57 ExO_ wrote: Anybody else a little uneasy about KeSPA's handling of this? With sc2 so far GOM hasn't always gotten it right, but it's been pretty open and accessible for all players.
But now we have KeSPA playing in the GSL, and the door has been opened for eSF players to join KeSPA teams. But where are the eSF teams in proleague? Why does it feel (at least to me) like GOM is being open with KeSPA, but KeSPA isn't exactly being open to GOM?
I understand they are competing, but it just seems to me like KeSPA's heavy handed style of handling everything is coming back. And as KeSPA continues to become more and more relevant I fear that it's going to spell bad news for the foreign community. Hope I'm wrong
Worst part is I find myself watching proleague more often then GSL lately. Even though I think GSL is better quality matches overall, I'm just more interested in the proleague teams. I don't really know why, I just find myself more interested in the teams and storylines of proleague...and I hate that I do. I think with GOM taking the risk establishing GSL and really helping get foreigners into it that I owe them some loyalty...I mean doesn't anybody remember how exciting it was when GSL was announced and everybody would be allowed to play in it, not just KeSPA licensed progamers?
If Kespa had not been pressured with that boycott issue a few months ago, I don't even know if KeSPA would even be playing the GSL
Well, whatever team Parting ends up in, he'll be the #1 player (at least in sc2 skill), and having to play GSL (occasionally) and Proleague twice a week, bye bye Parting in foreign tournaments (He didn't attend many, anyway)
oh man hope he doesn't make SKTT1 or EGTL stronger I'd actually like him to join KT, but doubt we need him The best result would be if joins some weak team
On January 11 2013 16:35 BeaTeR wrote: oh man hope he doesn't make SKTT1 or EGTL stronger I'd actually like him to join KT, but doubt we need him The best result would be if joins some weak team
I don't think he's allowed to join EGTL. I have a feeling KeSPA will want him on t8 lol
On January 11 2013 14:21 Shyndashu wrote: KT rolster gg. but blocking him out from WoL i think is a good move. It's like throwing the lion in the pit with tiger cubs and expecting the cubs to win.
Kespa players are very good. This season of Proleague has shown some really nice games. It's really unfair and biased to assume that Parting would be so much better than the Kespa players when he's lost to multiple Kespa players before.
He's the WCS world champion. He recently won a few other minor events (WCG) and is on form at the moment. Parting is so much better than almost all players, Kespa or not.
All the top Koreans are basically around the same level. Literally no one, not even 2011 MVP, has demonstrated actual complete dominance for extended periods of time. Every single player has had their ups and downs. Players appear, vanish, and reappear in the span of months.
Parting might do well in Proleague, but there's no guarantee that he would dominate like "lions among tiger cubs."
On January 11 2013 16:35 BeaTeR wrote: oh man hope he doesn't make SKTT1 or EGTL stronger I'd actually like him to join KT, but doubt we need him The best result would be if joins some weak team
I don't think he's allowed to join EGTL. I have a feeling KeSPA will want him on t8 lol
t8 is funded by Kespa itself and theyve already got rid of highly salaried players like Sea, Jaedong etc. Judging from Parting's performances, his salary will be relatively high (not as much as Flash ofc not) and t8 is definitely not the place to get a high salary.
On January 11 2013 14:21 Shyndashu wrote: KT rolster gg. but blocking him out from WoL i think is a good move. It's like throwing the lion in the pit with tiger cubs and expecting the cubs to win.
Kespa players are very good. This season of Proleague has shown some really nice games. It's really unfair and biased to assume that Parting would be so much better than the Kespa players when he's lost to multiple Kespa players before.
He's the WCS world champion. He recently won a few other minor events (WCG) and is on form at the moment. Parting is so much better than almost all players, Kespa or not.
All the top Koreans are basically around the same level. Literally no one, not even 2011 MVP, has demonstrated actual complete dominance for extended periods of time. Every single player has had their ups and downs. Players appear, vanish, and reappear in the span of months.
Parting might do well in Proleague, but there's no guarantee that he would dominate like "lions among tiger cubs."
I don't think anyone is trying to say he will never lose a game, but you're ignorant if you think players haven't shown " dominance " at points during sc2. There are lots of cases of dominance. 2011 GSL January Mvp. GSL May & July Nestea where he won one of the seasons without losing a single game. Mvp from July 2011 to December 2011. MMA from GSL Oct to Blizzard Cup. Squirtle at IPL4 and 2012 GSL S2. Marineking in early 2012 with his back to back MLG wins in the winter season. DRG in early/mid 2012, winning a GSL, two MLG's and getting second place in two MLG's. Leenock in late 2012 winning a MLG, getting second in another MLG, and winning IPL5. And most recently Life winning two GSL's and an MLG in the span of two months, and Parting at BWC, WCG then Blizzard Cup taking 2 golds and a silver in three premier tournaments in about a month span, also winning the MLG tournament of champions.
Right now Parting and Life are on the top of the world, they are " dominating ".
They might all be near the same " skill level " but all of them but a select few are missing the qualities needed to become a multiple champion and perform in high stakes situations. Mvp is known for winning just because he's Mvp, despite not being at the top of the " skill " level.
If Parting can keep his form he will be the best player in Proleague and have the best record when he starts playing in round 4, assuming he adjusts to HOTS well.
The easiest thing to do is to count out some teams like T8 and WJS. WJS got a huge roster already, T8 do they even have the money? Teams that desperately need him: Khan and STX. Teams that need a solid player to fill their roster: CJ and SKT. KT don't need PartinG but you never know.
I feel like STX is going to be the one that comes out a head.
I thought it was okay that he wanted to join a foreign team to do more traveling. Guess he only left for money though. Not that there is anything more wrong with that but it just feels a little bit worse.
HA! I knew it, totally called it. You can check my past posts. In the thread where PartinG left ST and people thought it was EG or Liquid next. But I knew it was gonna be kespa. Now where's my cookie? I prefer chocolate chip
So wanting to "live life" is just going to a Kespa team. Hope they are paying him way better.
On January 11 2013 17:18 Armada Vega wrote: HA! I knew it, totally called it. You can check my past posts. In the thread where PartinG left ST and people thought it was EG or Liquid next. But I knew it was gonna be kespa. Now where's my cookie? I prefer chocolate chip
On January 11 2013 17:12 tylerf wrote: I thought it was okay that he wanted to join a foreign team to do more traveling. Guess he only left for money though. Not that there is anything more wrong with that but it just feels a little bit worse.
As a huge Parting fan, I've got mixed feelings about this. On one hand, I feel that Startale made him what he is right now, and I find it difficult to imagine him without Startale, or Startale with Parting.
On the other hand, I think this is great for him. The KeSPA training regimen could potentially make him even better, and it could, potentially (at least in Winners League) bring a team from the bottom of the table up to the upper half. Another thing to note is that Koreans transferring to foreign teams tend to fall off after a while; and I would never want that to happen to a guy like Parting. With him going to a KeSPA team, at least it's almost guaranteed that we'll see him play on a very regular basis, though maybe not in many foreign tournaments, which he didn't really go to anyway.
On January 11 2013 14:20 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote: Source: KeSPA release via ThisIsGame
The Association will receive bids on PartinG until the 11th, and in the case multiple teams make bids, the team to acquire PartinG will be decided on through a random drawing on the 14th with PartinG, and team and KeSPA officials present.
The above posting method will apply not only to PartinG, but all eSF players who become teamless at the end of their contracts and express their desire to join a KeSPA team.
Also, in the case this posting process occurs again for a teamless player, teams that have already acquired a player through the posting will receive a lesser priority in the bidding and lottery process.
Does this acutally mean that if Parting (or any other player) wanted to join KT Rolster he could end up being part of Samsung KHAN's roster ?
On January 11 2013 17:18 Armada Vega wrote: HA! I knew it, totally called it. You can check my past posts. In the thread where PartinG left ST and people thought it was EG or Liquid next. But I knew it was gonna be kespa. Now where's my cookie? I prefer chocolate chip
Quote or didn't happen.
you trying to get me banned for useless posts? T_T
On January 03 2013 18:08 Armada Vega wrote: I don't see eg or liquid being in the picture. I feel like this has kespa written all over it. And if a high kespa team really wanted PartinG and threw money around, EG wouldn't have a chance.
On January 11 2013 17:12 tylerf wrote: I thought it was okay that he wanted to join a foreign team to do more traveling. Guess he only left for money though. Not that there is anything more wrong with that but it just feels a little bit worse.
On the other hand, I think this is great for him. The KeSPA training regimen could potentially make him even better, and it could, potentially (at least in Winners League) bring a team from the bottom of the table up to the upper half.
If he can still practice with many of the eSF players, sure, if not i don't think he will improve, at least not till very very long term when Kespa gets more topclass eSF players into it.
On January 11 2013 17:19 Godwrath wrote: So wanting to "live life" is just going to a Kespa team. Hope they are paying him way better.
On January 11 2013 17:18 Armada Vega wrote: HA! I knew it, totally called it. You can check my past posts. In the thread where PartinG left ST and people thought it was EG or Liquid next. But I knew it was gonna be kespa. Now where's my cookie? I prefer chocolate chip
Quote or didn't happen.
you trying to get me banned for useless posts? T_T
On January 03 2013 18:08 Armada Vega wrote: I don't see eg or liquid being in the picture. I feel like this has kespa written all over it. And if a high kespa team really wanted PartinG and threw money around, EG wouldn't have a chance.
You just copied the prediction of the guy in page 12!
On January 03 2013 10:15 Holdenintherye wrote: Omg?! I smell Kespa poaching...
On January 11 2013 17:19 Godwrath wrote: So wanting to "live life" is just going to a Kespa team. Hope they are paying him way better.
On January 11 2013 17:18 Armada Vega wrote: HA! I knew it, totally called it. You can check my past posts. In the thread where PartinG left ST and people thought it was EG or Liquid next. But I knew it was gonna be kespa. Now where's my cookie? I prefer chocolate chip
Quote or didn't happen.
you trying to get me banned for useless posts? T_T
On January 03 2013 18:08 Armada Vega wrote: I don't see eg or liquid being in the picture. I feel like this has kespa written all over it. And if a high kespa team really wanted PartinG and threw money around, EG wouldn't have a chance.
You just copied the prediction of the guy in page 12!
On January 03 2013 10:15 Holdenintherye wrote: Omg?! I smell Kespa poaching...
lol ok this is getting funny now. no more of this. The truth is I never read any posts after the op. So I just made my post. but anyway. Good luck to PartinG. I hope its CJ Entus or KT Rolster.
WTF Can't play WOL...he is going miss two rounds of SPL :S Why on earth would loadsa KESPA teams want him for SPL if he can't play until round 4 and 5. So strange the way KESPA works!
I just hope it is a good team he joins and they give him freedom to join those foreign tournaments, as WCS and WCG champion, quite arguably he is the champion of 2011, he needs to be defending some high profile titles!!
On January 11 2013 14:21 Shyndashu wrote: KT rolster gg. but blocking him out from WoL i think is a good move. It's like throwing the lion in the pit with tiger cubs and expecting the cubs to win.
He won't participate in SPL if he joins foreign teams anyway, doesn't matter to him atm. Without participating in SPL, he will have free time to hunt for money in foreign tournaments, I think KeSPA teams will not have problems with that.
On January 11 2013 14:21 Shyndashu wrote: KT rolster gg. but blocking him out from WoL i think is a good move. It's like throwing the lion in the pit with tiger cubs and expecting the cubs to win.
Kespa players are very good. This season of Proleague has shown some really nice games. It's really unfair and biased to assume that Parting would be so much better than the Kespa players when he's lost to multiple Kespa players before.
He's the WCS world champion. He recently won a few other minor events (WCG) and is on form at the moment. Parting is so much better than almost all players, Kespa or not.
All the top Koreans are basically around the same level. Literally no one, not even 2011 MVP, has demonstrated actual complete dominance for extended periods of time. Every single player has had their ups and downs. Players appear, vanish, and reappear in the span of months.
Parting might do well in Proleague, but there's no guarantee that he would dominate like "lions among tiger cubs."
I don't think anyone is trying to say he will never lose a game, but you're ignorant if you think players haven't shown " dominance " at points during sc2. There are lots of cases of dominance. 2011 GSL January Mvp. GSL May & July Nestea where he won one of the seasons without losing a single game. Mvp from July 2011 to December 2011. MMA from GSL Oct to Blizzard Cup. Squirtle at IPL4 and 2012 GSL S2. Marineking in early 2012 with his back to back MLG wins in the winter season. DRG in early/mid 2012, winning a GSL, two MLG's and getting second place in two MLG's. Leenock in late 2012 winning a MLG, getting second in another MLG, and winning IPL5. And most recently Life winning two GSL's and an MLG in the span of two months, and Parting at BWC, WCG then Blizzard Cup taking 2 golds and a silver in three premier tournaments in about a month span, also winning the MLG tournament of champions.
Right now Parting and Life are on the top of the world, they are " dominating ".
They might all be near the same " skill level " but all of them but a select few are missing the qualities needed to become a multiple champion and perform in high stakes situations. Mvp is known for winning just because he's Mvp, despite not being at the top of the " skill " level.
If Parting can keep his form he will be the best player in Proleague and have the best record when he starts playing in round 4, assuming he adjusts to HOTS well.
I said extended periods of time. For all of the examples you gave, except January 2011 MVP, all of the players looked incredibly mortal in their successful runs. Even if they did not lose very much or not lose at all, many games looked incredibly close and had outcomes which could be ascribed to luck. Despite all that, as I've stated earlier, even the best players performing at their absolute best dip up and down.
No one has been consistently dominant in SC2 so far. At any given moment, the "rank ten" player or even "rank twenty" player could knock out the "top three" player in any given situation. It has happened over and over again.
On January 11 2013 14:20 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote: Source: KeSPA release via ThisIsGame
The Association will receive bids on PartinG until the 11th, and in the case multiple teams make bids, the team to acquire PartinG will be decided on through a random drawing on the 14th with PartinG, and team and KeSPA officials present.
The above posting method will apply not only to PartinG, but all eSF players who become teamless at the end of their contracts and express their desire to join a KeSPA team.
Also, in the case this posting process occurs again for a teamless player, teams that have already acquired a player through the posting will receive a lesser priority in the bidding and lottery process.
Does this acutally mean that if Parting (or any other player) wanted to join KT Rolster he could end up being part of Samsung KHAN's roster ?
,gah, more backstage bullshit. typical asian business practice
On January 11 2013 14:20 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote: Source: KeSPA release via ThisIsGame
The Association will receive bids on PartinG until the 11th, and in the case multiple teams make bids, the team to acquire PartinG will be decided on through a random drawing on the 14th with PartinG, and team and KeSPA officials present.
The above posting method will apply not only to PartinG, but all eSF players who become teamless at the end of their contracts and express their desire to join a KeSPA team.
Also, in the case this posting process occurs again for a teamless player, teams that have already acquired a player through the posting will receive a lesser priority in the bidding and lottery process.
Does this acutally mean that if Parting (or any other player) wanted to join KT Rolster he could end up being part of Samsung KHAN's roster ?
,gah, more backstage bullshit. typical asian business practice
It is just similar to the draft process in US professional sports. Like in NBA draft, you enter the draft with some kind of guaranteed contract if you get picked, but teams choose you, you can't choose team. IMO, KeSPA always copies NBA style.
If there was one player who would be chosen to a new team by fucking random drawing and make it into some gigantic event it would be him. If we had more Partings in SC2, then I don't care how shit the balance is, the game would be the #1 e-sport.
I really hope he goes to Soul for a few reasons.
A) It would be fate and give us tons of puns. B) They need a face to the franchise. Hwasin was their face - with the fangirls at least - but then he turned out to be a cheater. Calm and Kal are both retired and never had the same impact as other aces. Not saying Bogus isn't good, but he doesn't bring in the fangirls. C) Parity.
Team 8 could also use Parting, but seeing as they're sponsored by KeSPA, it would open a can of worms if the KeSPA team somehow got one of the best players in the world.
On January 11 2013 14:20 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote: Source: KeSPA release via ThisIsGame
The Association will receive bids on PartinG until the 11th, and in the case multiple teams make bids, the team to acquire PartinG will be decided on through a random drawing on the 14th with PartinG, and team and KeSPA officials present.
The above posting method will apply not only to PartinG, but all eSF players who become teamless at the end of their contracts and express their desire to join a KeSPA team.
Also, in the case this posting process occurs again for a teamless player, teams that have already acquired a player through the posting will receive a lesser priority in the bidding and lottery process.
Does this acutally mean that if Parting (or any other player) wanted to join KT Rolster he could end up being part of Samsung KHAN's roster ?
,gah, more backstage bullshit. typical asian business practice
Yeah, typical asian business like NBA, NFL, NHL, MLB... Oh wait...
On January 11 2013 14:21 Shyndashu wrote: KT rolster gg. but blocking him out from WoL i think is a good move. It's like throwing the lion in the pit with tiger cubs and expecting the cubs to win.
Kespa players are very good. This season of Proleague has shown some really nice games. It's really unfair and biased to assume that Parting would be so much better than the Kespa players when he's lost to multiple Kespa players before.
He's the WCS world champion. He recently won a few other minor events (WCG) and is on form at the moment. Parting is so much better than almost all players, Kespa or not.
All the top Koreans are basically around the same level. Literally no one, not even 2011 MVP, has demonstrated actual complete dominance for extended periods of time. Every single player has had their ups and downs. Players appear, vanish, and reappear in the span of months.
Parting might do well in Proleague, but there's no guarantee that he would dominate like "lions among tiger cubs."
I don't think anyone is trying to say he will never lose a game, but you're ignorant if you think players haven't shown " dominance " at points during sc2. There are lots of cases of dominance. 2011 GSL January Mvp. GSL May & July Nestea where he won one of the seasons without losing a single game. Mvp from July 2011 to December 2011. MMA from GSL Oct to Blizzard Cup. Squirtle at IPL4 and 2012 GSL S2. Marineking in early 2012 with his back to back MLG wins in the winter season. DRG in early/mid 2012, winning a GSL, two MLG's and getting second place in two MLG's. Leenock in late 2012 winning a MLG, getting second in another MLG, and winning IPL5. And most recently Life winning two GSL's and an MLG in the span of two months, and Parting at BWC, WCG then Blizzard Cup taking 2 golds and a silver in three premier tournaments in about a month span, also winning the MLG tournament of champions.
Right now Parting and Life are on the top of the world, they are " dominating ".
They might all be near the same " skill level " but all of them but a select few are missing the qualities needed to become a multiple champion and perform in high stakes situations. Mvp is known for winning just because he's Mvp, despite not being at the top of the " skill " level.
If Parting can keep his form he will be the best player in Proleague and have the best record when he starts playing in round 4, assuming he adjusts to HOTS well.
I said extended periods of time. For all of the examples you gave, except January 2011 MVP, all of the players looked incredibly mortal in their successful runs. Even if they did not lose very much or not lose at all, many games looked incredibly close and had outcomes which could be ascribed to luck. Despite all that, as I've stated earlier, even the best players performing at their absolute best dip up and down.
No one has been consistently dominant in SC2 so far. At any given moment, the "rank ten" player or even "rank twenty" player could knock out the "top three" player in any given situation. It has happened over and over again.
You're actually completely wrong, from MLG Anaheim to Blizzard Cup Mvp either won every tournament he entered or lost after making top 4 to only two players in premiers. Those players being Leenock and MMA, who were the rank 2 and 3 players at the time. He won MLG Anaheim, GSL August, Blizzcon, WCG KR, Arena of Legends Team Ace Invitational, MLG Global Invitational Korea and WCG world finals. Took second in GSL October ( losing to MMA, rank 2 player ) got to the semi finals in GSL Nov ( lost to Leenock, the rank 3 player ) Lost to Leenock in MLG providence in the 4th place match after coming from the open bracket. Lost to MMA in the Blizzard Cup, and lost to MMA in the GeForce Pro/Am. For those 5 months he only lost a series that eliminated him from a tournament to those two players and once to Naniwa in the MLG global invitational ( non premier tournament ) during Providence.
You're nitpicking saying things like " they may have won but the games were close or luck based ". It's just grasping at straws, if the game was truly so random you wouldn't have players who win 3+ premier tournaments in a short period of time.
On January 11 2013 14:20 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote: Source: KeSPA release via ThisIsGame
The Association will receive bids on PartinG until the 11th, and in the case multiple teams make bids, the team to acquire PartinG will be decided on through a random drawing on the 14th with PartinG, and team and KeSPA officials present.
The above posting method will apply not only to PartinG, but all eSF players who become teamless at the end of their contracts and express their desire to join a KeSPA team.
Also, in the case this posting process occurs again for a teamless player, teams that have already acquired a player through the posting will receive a lesser priority in the bidding and lottery process.
Does this acutally mean that if Parting (or any other player) wanted to join KT Rolster he could end up being part of Samsung KHAN's roster ?
,gah, more backstage bullshit. typical asian business practice
Yeah, typical asian business like NBA, NFL, NHL, MLB... Oh wait...
none of which, not even the japanese posting system, is so backstage. get your tribalism in check
find me a process with practically 0 marginal value for bidding high in any professional sports league, and you'll see a very team dominated system with no players rights.
[B]Team 8 could also use Parting, but seeing as they're sponsored by KeSPA, it would open a can of worms if the KeSPA team somehow got one of the best players in the world.
this basically happened in reverse in the NBA, where the NBA run Hornets had to move Chris Paul, and then the NBA rejected a completed trade for him and essentially picked where he ended up playing.
in this case though, I don't think it would be that bad. he has already negotiated his salary, so it's not like T8 could get him on the cheap. sure, you could call the randomization process into question, but that could be the case wherever he goes. that said, I don't think there's any chance he goes to T8. they could use the Jaedong money to buy him, but they sold JD for a reason, and it wasn't because he wasn't good enough.
The Association will receive bids on PartinG until the 11th, and in the case multiple teams make bids, the team to acquire PartinG will be decided on through a random drawing on the 14th with PartinG, and team and KeSPA officials present.
so the teams that bid, they cant decide to give him more salary trough the bidding process? the salary is set if i read that correctly. this drawing is weird, i mean, why cant he decide where he wanna go if multiple teams bid the same salary and terms?
Yeah, typical asian business like NBA, NFL, NHL, MLB... Oh wait...
its not really like this in european football. if u wanna buy a player and multiple teams bid, hey, then u gonna pay more.
Can people PLEASE stop posting about this and calling it "betrayals" or whatever the fuck you're writing? He played out his contract and made a decision to switch, you could in that case argue that everyone that left the KeSPA-teams from the beginning to play SC2 also were TRAITORS...
Its in his full right to do this and I will support him no matter what.
why cant he decide where he wanna go if multiple teams bid the same salary and terms?
because kespa exists to support the teams, not the players. in this case, I think it's a pretty good method, honestly. gives the lower tier teams a better shot.
The Association will receive bids on PartinG until the 11th, and in the case multiple teams make bids, the team to acquire PartinG will be decided on through a random drawing on the 14th with PartinG, and team and KeSPA officials present.
so the teams that bid, they cant decide to give him more salary trough the bidding process? the salary is set if i read that correctly. this drawing is weird, i mean, why cant he decide where he wanna go if multiple teams bid the same salary and terms?
They are doing there best to preserve the balance of the league. If they let the highest bidder win, it would for sure be SKT or KT. If its parting's choice its most probably still gonna be SKT or KT (maybe STX coz SOUL). Atleast with the random draft system, there is a chance that the lower half tier teams are gonna get him, if they bid.
On January 11 2013 14:22 Dakkas wrote: So the trade embargo only works on players on teams? Leaving them bypasses that? Doesn't that seem a bit.....easy?
Only if they have their contracts expire. Parting's contract expired at the end of the year. Also dislike that multiple bids results in a random drawing. It should go to whoever has the lowest ranking at the time of the 'draw' (so Samsung in this case).
It should go to whoever bids highest, otherwise Parting could get shafted.
The Association will receive bids on PartinG until the 11th, and in the case multiple teams make bids, the team to acquire PartinG will be decided on through a random drawing on the 14th with PartinG, and team and KeSPA officials present.
so the teams that bid, they cant decide to give him more salary trough the bidding process? the salary is set if i read that correctly. this drawing is weird, i mean, why cant he decide where he wanna go if multiple teams bid the same salary and terms?
They are doing there best to preserve the balance of the league. If they let the highest bidder win, it would for sure be SKT or KT. If its parting's choice its most probably still gonna be SKT or KT (maybe STX coz SOUL). Atleast with the random draft system, there is a chance that the lower half tier teams are gonna get him, if they bid.
skt or kt can pay the other teams to have parting. it's a coase problem with a backstage solution.
only difference between this outcome and a free bid system with the highest contract winning is that the smaller teams instead of parting will be getting his value.
man this whole KeSPA e-sports Federation thing is hardcore...as much as I like to have players being salaried and taken care of, it seems so contractual. Good luck to PartinG though .
The Association will receive bids on PartinG until the 11th, and in the case multiple teams make bids, the team to acquire PartinG will be decided on through a random drawing on the 14th with PartinG, and team and KeSPA officials present.
so the teams that bid, they cant decide to give him more salary trough the bidding process? the salary is set if i read that correctly. this drawing is weird, i mean, why cant he decide where he wanna go if multiple teams bid the same salary and terms?
They are doing there best to preserve the balance of the league. If they let the highest bidder win, it would for sure be SKT or KT. If its parting's choice its most probably still gonna be SKT or KT (maybe STX coz SOUL). Atleast with the random draft system, there is a chance that the lower half tier teams are gonna get him, if they bid.
Fair enough, I just hope Parting doesn't get shafted (lower salary than what he's worth, bad team environment to be going into etc.). In the end it's all about results, whatever doesn't hurt his results.
On January 11 2013 18:16 ThePhan2m wrote: Why wouldnt he be able to play right away, and calling it unfair? EG-TL has tons of Code S level players. Never heard that was unfair??
Because rosters have to be set before the start of each round. I believe that's why Revival couldn't play for EG-TL in Round 1.
it's not about league balance, it's always about salary i.e. cost control.
teams can influence each other's choices, they can just pay each other to get higher priority, instead of paying the players. the teams taht are willing to spend can always achieve imbalance, it just won't be visible. it also saves on competitive bidding
On January 11 2013 14:23 bo1b wrote: I wanna see him join up with Stars, so he can wash dishes for flying again.
You see Flying yesterday? I strongly think it'll be the other way around this time xD
Based on his performance last nite, i believe hes gonna be the one doing not only the dishes for Parting but also making sure his underwear is always clean in the upcoming months.
I will never, ever understand KeSPA. So now PartinG didn't join KeSPA team, he actually joined KeSPA itself... Now KeSPA will decide instead of him(with random draw - WHAT IN THE HELL ????) for which team he will play... GL if he joins T8 that doesn't even have sponsors and can disband every season, or STX and KHAN that are struggling to win a single match.
On January 11 2013 14:28 Waxangel wrote: It's funny that Woongjin actually is the team that needs him the most, as it will be hilarious when Flying has to wash PartinG's dishes
No it isn't Woongjin has Free Shy and Flying , more good protoss is just overkill . CJ needs him the most . I personally don't like Parting , but if he can help hero[join] in proleague i don't mind him joining . Other teams already have 2 - 3 decent protoss players while CJ has only hero . Other team he would be the most useful at is STX , maybe Team 8 .
On January 11 2013 19:23 Pr0wler wrote: I will never, ever understand KeSPA. So now PartinG didn't join KeSPA team, he actually joined KeSPA itself... Now KeSPA will decide instead of him(with random draw - WHAT IN THE HELL ????) for which team he will play... GL if he joins T8 that doesn't even have sponsors and can disband every season, or STX and KHAN that are struggling to win a single match.
You must also don't understand how NBA draft works too. Need to watch some sports, you.
The Association will receive bids on PartinG until the 11th, and in the case multiple teams make bids, the team to acquire PartinG will be decided on through a random drawing on the 14th with PartinG, and team and KeSPA officials present.
so the teams that bid, they cant decide to give him more salary trough the bidding process? the salary is set if i read that correctly. this drawing is weird, i mean, why cant he decide where he wanna go if multiple teams bid the same salary and terms?
They are doing there best to preserve the balance of the league. If they let the highest bidder win, it would for sure be SKT or KT. If its parting's choice its most probably still gonna be SKT or KT (maybe STX coz SOUL). Atleast with the random draft system, there is a chance that the lower half tier teams are gonna get him, if they bid.
I guess...but then what incentive is there to bid anything more than the minimum for any of the teams? Seems guaranteed for Parting to make far less than he otherwise would deserve.
On January 11 2013 19:23 Pr0wler wrote: I will never, ever understand KeSPA. So now PartinG didn't join KeSPA team, he actually joined KeSPA itself... Now KeSPA will decide instead of him(with random draw - WHAT IN THE HELL ????) for which team he will play... GL if he joins T8 that doesn't even have sponsors and can disband every season, or STX and KHAN that are struggling to win a single match.
You must also don't understand how NBA draft works too. Need to watch some sports, you.
I might be crazy, but they still have to negotiate a salary with the player as well, don't they?
On January 11 2013 19:23 Pr0wler wrote: I will never, ever understand KeSPA. So now PartinG didn't join KeSPA team, he actually joined KeSPA itself... Now KeSPA will decide instead of him(with random draw - WHAT IN THE HELL ????) for which team he will play... GL if he joins T8 that doesn't even have sponsors and can disband every season, or STX and KHAN that are struggling to win a single match.
You must also don't understand how NBA draft works too. Need to watch some sports, you.
I might be crazy, but they still have to negotiate a salary with the player as well, don't they?
A guaranteed rookie salary has been negotiated before the draft if new player gets picked up by any team. Just like the contract which parting already agreed to KeSPA. So I would think, there is still possibility that no team will pick up parting, but only theoretically, because this is a one man draft, the contract they agreed should be good enough for both sides.
I'm a little saddened by this. We see far less activity in foreign tournaments by Kespa teams at the moment, and PartinG is always fun to watch. I feel like it makes sense for him to land on a team like Team 8 where he can replace JD as their star. Not necessarily the team I want to see him on, but seems logical. Although I'm not sure what team wouldn't want to try to acquire him, unless it is a financial concern.
On January 11 2013 20:09 skyyan wrote: I'm a little saddened by this. We see far less activity in foreign tournaments by Kespa teams at the moment, and PartinG is always fun to watch. I feel like it makes sense for him to land on a team like Team 8 where he can replace JD as their star. Not necessarily the team I want to see him on, but seems logical. Although I'm not sure what team wouldn't want to try to acquire him, unless it is a financial concern.
I think for example that SKT and Khan should not try to pick PartinG? Why? Am i crazy? Cos they already have a protos rooster and PartinG in can mean bisu or stork out. KT already have a complete and good rooster.
On January 11 2013 19:23 Pr0wler wrote: I will never, ever understand KeSPA. So now PartinG didn't join KeSPA team, he actually joined KeSPA itself... Now KeSPA will decide instead of him(with random draw - WHAT IN THE HELL ????) for which team he will play... GL if he joins T8 that doesn't even have sponsors and can disband every season, or STX and KHAN that are struggling to win a single match.
You must also don't understand how NBA draft works too. Need to watch some sports, you.
On January 11 2013 19:23 Pr0wler wrote: I will never, ever understand KeSPA. So now PartinG didn't join KeSPA team, he actually joined KeSPA itself... Now KeSPA will decide instead of him(with random draw - WHAT IN THE HELL ????) for which team he will play... GL if he joins T8 that doesn't even have sponsors and can disband every season, or STX and KHAN that are struggling to win a single match.
You must also don't understand how NBA draft works too. Need to watch some sports, you.
Doesn't work that way on football.
Maybe thats why you have in spain, for example, real madrid and barcelona. Who else?
Yay, good for Parting! (Also good for us since we will be guaranteed to see him playing a lot of matches almost everyday). The system for 'bidding' is actually quite unusual, but when I think of it, it actually reminds me a lot of systems used in American pro leagues I am watching (so mostly NHL). Also quite different from English Premier League (or generally European competitions).
On January 11 2013 19:23 Pr0wler wrote: I will never, ever understand KeSPA. So now PartinG didn't join KeSPA team, he actually joined KeSPA itself... Now KeSPA will decide instead of him(with random draw - WHAT IN THE HELL ????) for which team he will play... GL if he joins T8 that doesn't even have sponsors and can disband every season, or STX and KHAN that are struggling to win a single match.
You must also don't understand how NBA draft works too. Need to watch some sports, you.
Doesn't work that way on football.
Maybe thats why you have in spain, for example, real madrid and barcelona. Who else?
Yep, but that's not only on Spain, but the whole world leagues (you are from brazil, you should already know this), pretty much why i stopped watching football years ago except for our country selection team. I wasn't trying to say it's bad, just that many people are not familiar with that system.
On January 11 2013 19:23 Pr0wler wrote: I will never, ever understand KeSPA. So now PartinG didn't join KeSPA team, he actually joined KeSPA itself... Now KeSPA will decide instead of him(with random draw - WHAT IN THE HELL ????) for which team he will play... GL if he joins T8 that doesn't even have sponsors and can disband every season, or STX and KHAN that are struggling to win a single match.
You must also don't understand how NBA draft works too. Need to watch some sports, you.
Maybe yóú should watch some proper sports where there is no drafting
I just find drafting extremely silly. I'm not sure if the situation we have in football right now is what should be aimed for, but it beats drafting even without some necessary tweaks imo.
Guess joining Kespa as a starplayer gives you some income hehe. To bad I liked seeing Parting in the GSL. But he was there he knows what he is getting into.
Although somewhat unexpected it makes a lot of sense that Parting has picked to go with the Kespa teams. The esF teams don't really have the stability in terms of sponsorships, except for maybe LG-IM, and Parting realizes this. He's an amazing player and knows that foreign and kespa and esF teams would be happy to pick him up. However, the two biggest foreign teams, team liquid and EG, probably weren't going to be bidding on him. Team Liquid wants to pick up players and have them perform their best in the team and EG has been picking up quite a few players recently. The Kespa teams allow Parting for continual stability in the sport and was, honestly, probably the smartest decision he could have made. I just hope he finds the right team. Congratulations to PartinG!
On January 11 2013 19:23 Pr0wler wrote: I will never, ever understand KeSPA. So now PartinG didn't join KeSPA team, he actually joined KeSPA itself... Now KeSPA will decide instead of him(with random draw - WHAT IN THE HELL ????) for which team he will play... GL if he joins T8 that doesn't even have sponsors and can disband every season, or STX and KHAN that are struggling to win a single match.
You must also don't understand how NBA draft works too. Need to watch some sports, you.
Never seen NBA draft with one player, sorry. The thing that I don't like is the fact that KeSPA doesn't care what the player wants. For example if KT and T8 bid for him, then why don't let PartinG decide where he goes ? Why is that random draw needed ?
I think Sc2 is not dying but rationalizing : there can't be a doubling of the Korean scene all of a sudden. Kespa has shrunk to 7 teams and eSF is shrinking too. However, the teams remaining should be more stable and better managed.
On January 11 2013 21:00 Felvo wrote: Although somewhat unexpected it makes a lot of sense that Parting has picked to go with the Kespa teams. The esF teams don't really have the stability in terms of sponsorships, except for maybe LG-IM, and Parting realizes this. He's an amazing player and knows that foreign and kespa and esF teams would be happy to pick him up. However, the two biggest foreign teams, team liquid and EG, probably weren't going to be bidding on him. Team Liquid wants to pick up players and have them perform their best in the team and EG has been picking up quite a few players recently. The Kespa teams allow Parting for continual stability in the sport and was, honestly, probably the smartest decision he could have made. I just hope he finds the right team. Congratulations to PartinG!
On January 11 2013 19:23 Pr0wler wrote: I will never, ever understand KeSPA. So now PartinG didn't join KeSPA team, he actually joined KeSPA itself... Now KeSPA will decide instead of him(with random draw - WHAT IN THE HELL ????) for which team he will play... GL if he joins T8 that doesn't even have sponsors and can disband every season, or STX and KHAN that are struggling to win a single match.
You must also don't understand how NBA draft works too. Need to watch some sports, you.
Doesn't work that way on football.
Maybe thats why you have in spain, for example, real madrid and barcelona. Who else?
Yep, but that's not only on Spain, but the whole world leagues (you are from brazil, you should already know this), pretty much why i stopped watching football years ago except for our country selection team. I wasn't trying to say it's bad, just that many people are not familiar with that system.
Ah ok. So both of us left football because of imba imba imba :D
On January 11 2013 19:23 Pr0wler wrote: I will never, ever understand KeSPA. So now PartinG didn't join KeSPA team, he actually joined KeSPA itself... Now KeSPA will decide instead of him(with random draw - WHAT IN THE HELL ????) for which team he will play... GL if he joins T8 that doesn't even have sponsors and can disband every season, or STX and KHAN that are struggling to win a single match.
You must also don't understand how NBA draft works too. Need to watch some sports, you.
Never seen NBA draft with one player, sorry. The thing that I don't like is the fact that KeSPA doesn't care what the player wants. For example if KT and T8 bid for him, then why don't let PartinG decide where he goes ? Why is that random draw needed ?
Offcourse kespa cares. Thats why he already have a deal on his salary. After that, kespa will care for the balance of teams.
I would be surprised if every single team didn't make a bid for parting, barring maybe his contract being too expensive. You can never be too sure considering he'll only play hots for his team, but as it is, he's all around better than any other current kespa pro. You can't just pass up an opportunity for that kind of skill.
On January 11 2013 19:23 Pr0wler wrote: I will never, ever understand KeSPA. So now PartinG didn't join KeSPA team, he actually joined KeSPA itself... Now KeSPA will decide instead of him(with random draw - WHAT IN THE HELL ????) for which team he will play... GL if he joins T8 that doesn't even have sponsors and can disband every season, or STX and KHAN that are struggling to win a single match.
You must also don't understand how NBA draft works too. Need to watch some sports, you.
There are rules regarding the draft where if you have been a professional player for a period of time you automatically become a free agent. The fact that he can't be a free agent here is pretty BS imo
Kespa recruitment processes seem silly to be honest. If I were parting I wouldn't mind joining something like KT, but imagine ending up on team 8 or something silly :/.
On January 11 2013 19:23 Pr0wler wrote: I will never, ever understand KeSPA. So now PartinG didn't join KeSPA team, he actually joined KeSPA itself... Now KeSPA will decide instead of him(with random draw - WHAT IN THE HELL ????) for which team he will play... GL if he joins T8 that doesn't even have sponsors and can disband every season, or STX and KHAN that are struggling to win a single match.
You must also don't understand how NBA draft works too. Need to watch some sports, you.
There are rules regarding the draft where if you have been a professional player for a period of time you automatically become a free agent. The fact that he can't be a free agent here is pretty BS imo
No, new players are always drafted into teams. After they finished their first contract (3-4 years), they are restricted free agents and as long as their current team can match the offers from other teams, they can retain the players. Only after a players 2nd contract are they actually unrestricted free agents. So NBA players are actually restricted for 1/2 of their careers.
And since PartinG is a new player for Kespa, he is being put into the draft. I think for Kespa, they also have some rules regarding player switching teams once their contracts runs out. There is a signing period for these players for other teams.
This is done so that there is more of a level playing field. They don't want PartinG, Life, Mvp, Leenock to all join the game team.
On January 11 2013 21:00 Felvo wrote: Although somewhat unexpected it makes a lot of sense that Parting has picked to go with the Kespa teams. The esF teams don't really have the stability in terms of sponsorships, except for maybe LG-IM, and Parting realizes this. He's an amazing player and knows that foreign and kespa and esF teams would be happy to pick him up. However, the two biggest foreign teams, team liquid and EG, probably weren't going to be bidding on him. Team Liquid wants to pick up players and have them perform their best in the team and EG has been picking up quite a few players recently. The Kespa teams allow Parting for continual stability in the sport and was, honestly, probably the smartest decision he could have made. I just hope he finds the right team. Congratulations to PartinG!
StarTale seems pretty stable with Red Bull.
It is not stable to depend so heavily on a single sponsor. If Red Bull determines ESPORTS is not worth it for them anymore, that they can get a greater return at another team, or the people responsible for the sponsorship leaves, then Startale is pretty much fucked, and none of these options are very far fetched.
The reason someone like EG is stable is that even if Monster stopped their sponsorship, then they would still have Raidcall, Kingston and a ton of other sponsors. It might hurt a bit, but it wouldn't bring about major changes in the team structure. And even if they found themselves in a bad situation they have shown themselves capable of representing their sponsors well and finding new sponsors.
The same to some extent applies to Liquid with their Razer, Twitch, Barracuda and TLAF sponsorships, and in any case they have a huge advantage in this site and their massive popularity which means that they should be able to attract sponsors fairly easily.
As for the people saying TL/EG Parting, are you completely ignoring the fact that neither TL nor EG or they proleague entity are part of KeSPA? You might as well predict col.Parting. I personally see SKT1 as the most likely destination. KT is pretty saturated with talents these days so while I like them I don't hope they get Parting as it would just make Proleague too easy for KT.
It feels really weird that he doesn't even have a say regarding which team he wants to join. Maybe people from the US don't feel that way because they have similar situations in their real sports with all this "drafting" stuff but as a European I really can't understand how somebody can agree to a contract where other people are deciding about his future and basically chosing what will be his new home and his new mates for quite a long time. It just doesn't feel right at all.
On January 11 2013 14:24 MCXD wrote: I'm probably the only one who feels that this is an incredible betrayal.
Guess in a few months we'll never see PartinG in anything ever but SPL sometimes, OSL and maybe WCS.
I'm not too sure if this is true as KeSPA teams let their players do the MLG and other foreign tournies don't they?
And on another note I think that either KT or SKT will buy him just because they have the ability to do so. KHAN wouldn't be a bad choice but the boys in blue aren't performing as well as they could be right now.
On January 11 2013 19:23 Pr0wler wrote: I will never, ever understand KeSPA. So now PartinG didn't join KeSPA team, he actually joined KeSPA itself... Now KeSPA will decide instead of him(with random draw - WHAT IN THE HELL ????) for which team he will play... GL if he joins T8 that doesn't even have sponsors and can disband every season, or STX and KHAN that are struggling to win a single match.
You must also don't understand how NBA draft works too. Need to watch some sports, you.
Never seen NBA draft with one player, sorry. The thing that I don't like is the fact that KeSPA doesn't care what the player wants. For example if KT and T8 bid for him, then why don't let PartinG decide where he goes ? Why is that random draw needed ?
Offcourse kespa cares. Thats why he already have a deal on his salary. After that, kespa will care for the balance of teams.
Do you realize that all teams that bid for him are equal in the draw ? Then how exactly are they achieving team balance ? They are doing nothing more than taking away from the player the ability to decide his own fate. For example : Let's say that all teams bid for PartinG and he ends up in SKT1, but he wanted to play for Woongjin. Did they achieve balance ? Nope. Did they send him to place where he doesn't want to be ? Yup. Who wins ?
On January 11 2013 14:22 Dakkas wrote: So the trade embargo only works on players on teams? Leaving them bypasses that? Doesn't that seem a bit.....easy?
Only if they have their contracts expire. Parting's contract expired at the end of the year. Also dislike that multiple bids results in a random drawing. It should go to whoever has the lowest ranking at the time of the 'draw' (so Samsung in this case).
He better go to KHAN, they have always been my favorite team (BW: despite how little I was around for, even if EG-TL has a special place in my foreigner heart). I couldn't take seeing PartinG wonwonwon KHAN lol.
On January 11 2013 22:29 Paragleiber wrote: It feels really weird that he doesn't even have a say regarding which team he wants to join. Maybe people from the US don't feel that way because they have similar situations in their real sports with all this "drafting" stuff but as a European I really can't understand how somebody can agree to a contract where other people are deciding about his future and basically chosing what will be his new home and his new mates for quite a long time. It just doesn't feel right at all.
from my understanding, looks like no team contacts PartinG directly, so he expresses his will to KeSPA. KeSPA arranges salary and terms with PartinG and asks if any team can afford him. Fair 'n square.
However, what if no team bids? Normally that unfortunate player would return to the old team but this cannt applied here
I was thinking about how awesome this would be the other day, as it's kind of letdown sometimes when players go for foreign teams and drop off due to too much travel or not enough practice time. I wanna see what Parting looks like at his absolute strongest.
why cant he decide where he wanna go if multiple teams bid the same salary and terms?
because kespa exists to support the teams, not the players. in this case, I think it's a pretty good method, honestly. gives the lower tier teams a better shot.
ah, i understand. probably has something to do with this asian cultural thing, where community > individuals, whereas in the west we have a culture focused on indivuals (thats why football is so single player focused, even though its a teamsport)
Nooo PartinG, whyyy? Why did you have to join the dark side? At least do it properly and join EG! (that would be kinda cool, imho)
Him leaving ST was sad enough, joining a KeSPA team is a bit of a dissapointment. But oh well, if thats what he wants than all the best for him! Lets hope he will enjoy a similar level of freedom in competiton as he had on Startale, and that KeSPA wont pull a "kespa" on him for their own politics.
This seems a bit weird. Parting does not really decide on what Kespa team he joins. He just joins a Kespa team and it doesn't matter to him which one? It just sound not really committed to a team. Most people join a team because they like that particular team, but Parting seemingly has no preference, or at least his preference is ignored? OK!
This is big blow to ESF, losing one of their most successful players from one of their most stable teams. I am sure more players will join Kespa in 2013 too.
On January 11 2013 23:50 revel8 wrote: This seems a bit weird. Parting does not really decide on what Kespa team he joins. He just joins a Kespa team and it doesn't matter to him which one? It just sound not really committed to a team. Most people join a team because they like that particular team, but Parting seemingly has no preference, or at least his preference is ignored? OK!
This is common practice in a lot of leagues and sports around the world. I don't really understand what the controversy is, do you follow any other sports or understand how some drafting and trading systems work?
edit: To add some other insight, this is the price you pay when you want a standardized league that is able to offer livable salaries to players. If you want a single team to be able to buy out every star player you will create quite the disparity for other teams.
On January 11 2013 23:50 revel8 wrote: This seems a bit weird. Parting does not really decide on what Kespa team he joins. He just joins a Kespa team and it doesn't matter to him which one? It just sound not really committed to a team. Most people join a team because they like that particular team, but Parting seemingly has no preference, or at least his preference is ignored? OK!
This is common practice in a lot of leagues and sports around the world. I don't really understand what the controversy is, do you follow any other sports or understand how some drafting and trading systems work?
edit: To add some other insight, this is the price you pay when you want a standardized league that is able to offer livable salaries to players. If you want a single team to be able to buy out every star player you will create quite the disparity for other teams.
no, for us europeans its not that clear. sports in europe does not work like that. hell even if you apply for a job you have usually to answer questions like "why our company, why exactly this one position". you have to choose, you have to tell them why you picked their company over another competitor, etc.
On January 11 2013 23:50 revel8 wrote: This seems a bit weird. Parting does not really decide on what Kespa team he joins. He just joins a Kespa team and it doesn't matter to him which one? It just sound not really committed to a team. Most people join a team because they like that particular team, but Parting seemingly has no preference, or at least his preference is ignored? OK!
This is common practice in a lot of leagues and sports around the world. I don't really understand what the controversy is, do you follow any other sports or understand how some drafting and trading systems work?
edit: To add some other insight, this is the price you pay when you want a standardized league that is able to offer livable salaries to players. If you want a single team to be able to buy out every star player you will create quite the disparity for other teams.
I follow football, rugby, Formula 1, tennis, cricket, golf, athletics and cycling and none of them operate in the way you claim is common practice. Maybe American sports operate in this fashion but I don't follow any of them.
Can't say I'm a fan of this move, especially because it pulls a charismatic player out of the tournament circuit for the most part, no Proleague until round four, only IEM next week and from then on just GSL until he gets knocked out.
Sucks that he can't even decide on the team/teammates he wants to live with himself, but if PartinG was born to join one team, it's the team with soul in its name.
why cant he decide where he wanna go if multiple teams bid the same salary and terms?
because kespa exists to support the teams, not the players. in this case, I think it's a pretty good method, honestly. gives the lower tier teams a better shot.
ah, i understand. probably has something to do with this asian cultural thing, where community > individuals, whereas in the west we have a culture focused on indivuals (thats why football is so single player focused, even though its a teamsport)
Fuck now I just want the GSL of Soccer to happen... ffffffffffffff
On January 11 2013 23:50 revel8 wrote: This seems a bit weird. Parting does not really decide on what Kespa team he joins. He just joins a Kespa team and it doesn't matter to him which one? It just sound not really committed to a team. Most people join a team because they like that particular team, but Parting seemingly has no preference, or at least his preference is ignored? OK!
This is common practice in a lot of leagues and sports around the world. I don't really understand what the controversy is, do you follow any other sports or understand how some drafting and trading systems work?
edit: To add some other insight, this is the price you pay when you want a standardized league that is able to offer livable salaries to players. If you want a single team to be able to buy out every star player you will create quite the disparity for other teams.
I follow football, rugby, Formula 1, tennis, cricket, golf, athletics and cycling and none of them operate in the way you claim is common practice. Maybe American sports operate in this fashion but I don't follow any of them.
Okay, the practice is used to discourage dominate teams from acquiring all or most of the new talent. By allowing team collusion when drafting new players can insure that all the teams are being fairly represented. If you want to join an organization, you abide by the rules. These rules are a way to allow for fairness, while there may be some trade offs the advantages of a stable salary and contract obligations are far worth it for KESPA players.
On January 11 2013 23:50 revel8 wrote: This seems a bit weird. Parting does not really decide on what Kespa team he joins. He just joins a Kespa team and it doesn't matter to him which one? It just sound not really committed to a team. Most people join a team because they like that particular team, but Parting seemingly has no preference, or at least his preference is ignored? OK!
This is common practice in a lot of leagues and sports around the world. I don't really understand what the controversy is, do you follow any other sports or understand how some drafting and trading systems work?
edit: To add some other insight, this is the price you pay when you want a standardized league that is able to offer livable salaries to players. If you want a single team to be able to buy out every star player you will create quite the disparity for other teams.
I follow football, rugby, Formula 1, tennis, cricket, golf, athletics and cycling and none of them operate in the way you claim is common practice. Maybe American sports operate in this fashion but I don't follow any of them.
Okay, the practice is used to discourage dominate teams from acquiring all or most of the new talent. By allowing team collusion when drafting new players can insure that all the teams are being fairly represented. If you want to join an organization, you abide by the rules. These rules are a way to allow for fairness, while there may be some trade offs the advantages of a stable salary and contract obligations are far worth it for KESPA players.
How would you have it, I'm curious?
Why not just allow Parting to negotiate with the team he is interested in joining? He may think to improve his game by having a certain player as a practice partner. However the odds will be that he will join a team that is a rival to this players team and so will not be able to practice with him or have this limited due to team rivalries. Essentially Parting is saying to Startale thanks for the training but I am going to join another team, and not any particular team because I really like them but really just anyone but Startale!
On January 11 2013 23:50 revel8 wrote: This seems a bit weird. Parting does not really decide on what Kespa team he joins. He just joins a Kespa team and it doesn't matter to him which one? It just sound not really committed to a team. Most people join a team because they like that particular team, but Parting seemingly has no preference, or at least his preference is ignored? OK!
This is common practice in a lot of leagues and sports around the world. I don't really understand what the controversy is, do you follow any other sports or understand how some drafting and trading systems work?
edit: To add some other insight, this is the price you pay when you want a standardized league that is able to offer livable salaries to players. If you want a single team to be able to buy out every star player you will create quite the disparity for other teams.
I follow football, rugby, Formula 1, tennis, cricket, golf, athletics and cycling and none of them operate in the way you claim is common practice. Maybe American sports operate in this fashion but I don't follow any of them.
Okay, the practice is used to discourage dominate teams from acquiring all or most of the new talent. By allowing team collusion when drafting new players can insure that all the teams are being fairly represented. If you want to join an organization, you abide by the rules. These rules are a way to allow for fairness, while there may be some trade offs the advantages of a stable salary and contract obligations are far worth it for KESPA players.
How would you have it, I'm curious?
Why not just allow Parting to negotiate with the team he is interested in joining? He may think to improve his game by having a certain player as a practice partner. However the odds will be that he will join a team that is a rival to this players team and so will not be able to practice with him or have this limited due to team rivalries. Essentially Parting is saying to Startale thanks for the training but I am going to join another team, and not any particular team because I really like them but really just anyone but Startale!
Probably because they want to keep PL teams 'balance'. Obviously, some teams with the S class players still had better results in BW. But could you imagine if one team invested enough money to get TBLS, Fantasy, Jangbi all on the same team in BW? They don't want to run into a Real Madrid, Barcalona situation.
On January 11 2013 23:50 revel8 wrote: This seems a bit weird. Parting does not really decide on what Kespa team he joins. He just joins a Kespa team and it doesn't matter to him which one? It just sound not really committed to a team. Most people join a team because they like that particular team, but Parting seemingly has no preference, or at least his preference is ignored? OK!
This is common practice in a lot of leagues and sports around the world. I don't really understand what the controversy is, do you follow any other sports or understand how some drafting and trading systems work?
edit: To add some other insight, this is the price you pay when you want a standardized league that is able to offer livable salaries to players. If you want a single team to be able to buy out every star player you will create quite the disparity for other teams.
I follow football, rugby, Formula 1, tennis, cricket, golf, athletics and cycling and none of them operate in the way you claim is common practice. Maybe American sports operate in this fashion but I don't follow any of them.
Okay, the practice is used to discourage dominate teams from acquiring all or most of the new talent. By allowing team collusion when drafting new players can insure that all the teams are being fairly represented. If you want to join an organization, you abide by the rules. These rules are a way to allow for fairness, while there may be some trade offs the advantages of a stable salary and contract obligations are far worth it for KESPA players.
How would you have it, I'm curious?
Why not just allow Parting to negotiate with the team he is interested in joining? He may think to improve his game by having a certain player as a practice partner. However the odds will be that he will join a team that is a rival to this players team and so will not be able to practice with him or have this limited due to team rivalries. Essentially Parting is saying to Startale thanks for the training but I am going to join another team, and not any particular team because I really like them but really just anyone but Startale!
Well if Parting did what you wanted to do he would have to go through any other team, but not a KESPA organized team. The whole purpose of KESPA is to protect to the team's interest first. The players, while taken care of, aren't put in front of the teams. This would defeat what made KESPA successful for the last decade.
On January 11 2013 23:50 revel8 wrote: This seems a bit weird. Parting does not really decide on what Kespa team he joins. He just joins a Kespa team and it doesn't matter to him which one? It just sound not really committed to a team. Most people join a team because they like that particular team, but Parting seemingly has no preference, or at least his preference is ignored? OK!
This is common practice in a lot of leagues and sports around the world. I don't really understand what the controversy is, do you follow any other sports or understand how some drafting and trading systems work?
edit: To add some other insight, this is the price you pay when you want a standardized league that is able to offer livable salaries to players. If you want a single team to be able to buy out every star player you will create quite the disparity for other teams.
I follow football, rugby, Formula 1, tennis, cricket, golf, athletics and cycling and none of them operate in the way you claim is common practice. Maybe American sports operate in this fashion but I don't follow any of them.
Okay, the practice is used to discourage dominate teams from acquiring all or most of the new talent. By allowing team collusion when drafting new players can insure that all the teams are being fairly represented. If you want to join an organization, you abide by the rules. These rules are a way to allow for fairness, while there may be some trade offs the advantages of a stable salary and contract obligations are far worth it for KESPA players.
How would you have it, I'm curious?
Why not just allow Parting to negotiate with the team he is interested in joining? He may think to improve his game by having a certain player as a practice partner. However the odds will be that he will join a team that is a rival to this players team and so will not be able to practice with him or have this limited due to team rivalries. Essentially Parting is saying to Startale thanks for the training but I am going to join another team, and not any particular team because I really like them but really just anyone but Startale!
his would defeat what made KESPA successful for the last decade.
I am no expert on BW, but surely what made Kespa successful was just the popularity within Korea of BW. It was the number of Korean fans that attracted the sponsors. The Kespa companies only got involved and stayed because of the popularity of the game. Surely having popular players in your team is a draw for the fans. If Parting was able to choose his team based on a bidding war for his quality and popularity then that serves him better then this random draw.
This whole incident definitely weakens the 'GOM' teams and makes the GSL's long term future more shaky.
On January 11 2013 19:23 Pr0wler wrote: I will never, ever understand KeSPA. So now PartinG didn't join KeSPA team, he actually joined KeSPA itself... Now KeSPA will decide instead of him(with random draw - WHAT IN THE HELL ????) for which team he will play... GL if he joins T8 that doesn't even have sponsors and can disband every season, or STX and KHAN that are struggling to win a single match.
You must also don't understand how NBA draft works too. Need to watch some sports, you.
There are rules regarding the draft where if you have been a professional player for a period of time you automatically become a free agent. The fact that he can't be a free agent here is pretty BS imo
No, new players are always drafted into teams. After they finished their first contract (3-4 years), they are restricted free agents and as long as their current team can match the offers from other teams, they can retain the players. Only after a players 2nd contract are they actually unrestricted free agents. So NBA players are actually restricted for 1/2 of their careers.
And since PartinG is a new player for Kespa, he is being put into the draft. I think for Kespa, they also have some rules regarding player switching teams once their contracts runs out. There is a signing period for these players for other teams.
This is done so that there is more of a level playing field. They don't want PartinG, Life, Mvp, Leenock to all join the game team.
No, If someone played overseas for 5 years or so they are free to sign with any team they want as a freeagent. Im not 100% sure of the wording in the rules but I believe it is something like if you are X amount of years past your 18th or 19th birdthay. For example, if someone was a pro in canada for X amount of years and then wanted to play for an NBA team, they would NOT have to go through being drafted. They coudl be signed outright.
This is going to be interesting to see where he goes I'm glad he has to wait until heart of the swarm but that means he can just concentrate on being a practice partner/playing in individual leagues.
On January 11 2013 23:50 revel8 wrote: This seems a bit weird. Parting does not really decide on what Kespa team he joins. He just joins a Kespa team and it doesn't matter to him which one? It just sound not really committed to a team. Most people join a team because they like that particular team, but Parting seemingly has no preference, or at least his preference is ignored? OK!
This is common practice in a lot of leagues and sports around the world. I don't really understand what the controversy is, do you follow any other sports or understand how some drafting and trading systems work?
edit: To add some other insight, this is the price you pay when you want a standardized league that is able to offer livable salaries to players. If you want a single team to be able to buy out every star player you will create quite the disparity for other teams.
I follow football, rugby, Formula 1, tennis, cricket, golf, athletics and cycling and none of them operate in the way you claim is common practice. Maybe American sports operate in this fashion but I don't follow any of them.
Okay, the practice is used to discourage dominate teams from acquiring all or most of the new talent. By allowing team collusion when drafting new players can insure that all the teams are being fairly represented. If you want to join an organization, you abide by the rules. These rules are a way to allow for fairness, while there may be some trade offs the advantages of a stable salary and contract obligations are far worth it for KESPA players.
How would you have it, I'm curious?
Why not just allow Parting to negotiate with the team he is interested in joining? He may think to improve his game by having a certain player as a practice partner. However the odds will be that he will join a team that is a rival to this players team and so will not be able to practice with him or have this limited due to team rivalries. Essentially Parting is saying to Startale thanks for the training but I am going to join another team, and not any particular team because I really like them but really just anyone but Startale!
his would defeat what made KESPA successful for the last decade.
I am no expert on BW, but surely what made Kespa successful was just the popularity within Korea of BW. It was the number of Korean fans that attracted the sponsors. The Kespa companies only got involved and stayed because of the popularity of the game. Surely having popular players in your team is a draw for the fans. If Parting was able to choose his team based on a bidding war for his quality and popularity then that serves him better then this random draw.
This whole incident definitely weakens the 'GOM' teams and makes the GSL's long term future more shaky.
This would only make sense if KESPA was the first BW organization in Korea, they were not.
ESF teams are weak because the management for most ESF teams are terrible, whether this will hurt the GSL in the future is yet to be seen.
I am not sure why some people are against Parting joining a Kespa team. If they really support Parting, then they should be happy that he is finally getting well-rewarded for his hard work and talent, right?
On January 11 2013 14:20 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote: Source: KeSPA release via ThisIsGame
Through the Association, PartinG has already negotiated and agreed to the terms regarding salary and joining a KeSPA team, and the process will be carried out fairly with teams desiring to acquire PartinG putting in their bids afterward.
Although Kespa did not specified how long the negotiation process took, but it seems that both party came to an agreement pretty quickly which means that salary offered must be lucrative in PartiingG's point of view. If PartingG quickly become an A team player or Ace after the transfer, I can see a lot of ESF player will follow suit and not extending their contract after it has expired.
On January 12 2013 02:05 DarkLordOlli wrote: Wouldn't be surprised if it was SKT. They'd be super scary with Rain, Parting and Fantasy.
If that were to happen, Bisu would retire. : D I'd love to see Parting in any team actually, his experience will influence the team's practice greatly, especially those teams that don't have coaches coming from eSF.
On January 11 2013 14:29 lastshadow wrote: We should hope this isn't too Bogus, and everyone can remain Calm. It'd be really Classic if he joined SKT1 or something, given the Size of his skill. This could be the Last time such a player of his calibur is free agent for so long. Truly the Soul of protoss, with a lot of Innovation.
Possibilities KT Rolster: Highly Doubtful Already have two top tier Toss in Stats/Wooki, and have a promising B-teamer in motive. No need for another. What KT needs is a terran and aLive/Center would be amazing candidates. Big question: If Parting signs, who becomes the 2nd man behind Flash? Stats or Parting? Korean traditions dictate Stats; Skills dictate Parting
SKT T1: Highly Doubtful Have an ace toss in Rain, not to mention a solid player in Best, and afrotoss. Bisu apparently is coming to form as well. Big question: If parting signs; does that mean Bisu has become a hopeless cause?
Woongjin Stars: Doubtful Have a strong player in sHy, have another solid player in Free, and Flying was formerly good at one point..now hot garbage. Big question: Their sponsor filed for bankruptcy; where in the world did they get the $ to sign parting!?
CJ Entus: Strong potential After CJ herO, they dont have another reliable Protoss..when the 2nd best toss Snow/Leta, you know your depth needs a fix up. Big question: Is CJ Entus the most balanced roster in SPL with parting's addition?
EG-TL: Maybe.. You can never count out EG out of any signing. Parting would rig up a roster that can put forth 4 ace-calibre players when at full strength. They already have JYP/HerO, so it would be too much depth at this point?
Big Question: Fielding a team of Parting/Hero/Taeja/Jaedong/Stephano/ (JYP /HuK or Thorzain) every game in roudn 3..Is this really happening?
STX Soul: Maybe.. Dear is a solid Toss, Trap isnt too bad. What STX needs is a zerg, like a Symbol/Hyun to bolster their lineup. However.. adding parting would shake up a roster that needs to get back on track.
Big question: Who in the world cares about STX?
Team 8: Doubtful. No sponsors. Parting will want a high end contract. Struggling to keep teh team afloat. Already have two capable Toss in Terminator/Jaehoon; what they need is a Zerg if anything and a non-notable talent. Not someone who will demand a lot of $ like parting.
Big question: True ace of the team: baby or parting?
Samsung Khan: Maybe.. They already have two household Toss in Stork/Jangbi, but the team is a mess..needs a shake up. parting might just be what the doctor ordered..They should look to be adding a terran or zerg though..
Big question : Not really a question but KHANNNNNNNNNNNNNN
On January 12 2013 05:37 RiSkyToss wrote: SKT1 PLEAAAAAAAAAASE
they have rain as protoss ace and im sure bisu will eventually get with the program.. why would you need another big name protoss?
Because in PL you can field as many tosses as you like and 2ndly Parting will represent SKT on single tourneys. Bisu may not be on the same level again also.
On January 12 2013 07:45 LighT. wrote: Possibilities KT Rolster: Highly Doubtful Already have two top tier Toss in Stats/Wooki, and have a promising B-teamer in motive. No need for another. What KT needs is a terran and aLive/Center would be amazing candidates. Big question: If Parting signs, who becomes the 2nd man behind Flash? Stats or Parting? Korean traditions dictate Stats; Skills dictate Parting
I'm guessing he heard about the EG curse so he passed up the money, but this makes me wonder if he knows of the KeSPA Up and Down curse. Maybe he just thinks he never have to worry about that because he will only get top 8 or go straight through Code A, but thats a ballsy move in my opinion.
On January 12 2013 09:48 GohgamX wrote: Kespa's roster is absorbing a lot of the best players O_O
Kespa has picked up a couple ex-Slayers and PartinG. And Sea and JD left Kespa. So I don't think it is a huge deal so far.
But looking forward, this type of thing will keep occurring for a bit. Remember that with Kespa, we basically doubled the teams and players in the scene. It is just not possible to support them all. I am sure as the year goes on (especially with HoTS), we are going to see more team/player changes
Remember that even before Kespa switched. Teams merging and players changing teams happened as well. It is just accelerated with more players/teams joining.
On January 12 2013 08:49 Hazuc wrote: Bisu should switch to terran and practises full time on HotS.
I think Bisu should try switching. Maybe to Random if he doesn't want to betray his Protoss fans.
I remember when Boxer (after SC2 was released) said he thought about switching to Random (he picked Random because he didn't want to betray his Terran fans). Most people (here at least) replied positively (I mean Random still involves Terran right?).
Besides that, seriously someone should try Random (unlike BW, it's allowed in SC2). Plus, to make "Random" balanced, Blizzard could make it so that the race is revealed in the loading screen.
I started playing Terran first but I did much better (and got much more motivation) after playing Random. Instead of thinking <x race is imbalance>, I feel like I have the power of all three races now! Maybe that will happen with Bisu if he switches to Random.
This kills me. I love PartinG, he's my favorite player, but Startale is also my favorite team. I'm sure I'll root for whatever KeSPA team PartinG joins (especially if he ends up on Team 8, which I doubt, but PartinG + MajOr would instantly become one of my favorites). However, the idea of no more Startale.PartinG is tough to handle. That lineup of him, Squirtle, Curious, Life, and Bomber was amazing, and it feels like Startale lost some of their identity with the loss of PartinG.
I'm glad PartinG is going to KeSPA though, because it means he'll continue to live/work in an environment extremely conducive to him improving and he's a blast to watch.
On January 12 2013 07:45 LighT. wrote: Possibilities KT Rolster: Highly Doubtful Already have two top tier Toss in Stats/Wooki, and have a promising B-teamer in motive. No need for another. What KT needs is a terran and aLive/Center would be amazing candidates. Big question: If Parting signs, who becomes the 2nd man behind Flash? Stats or Parting? Korean traditions dictate Stats; Skills dictate Parting
2nd man behind Flash? If they get Parting why would they need Flash? Parting would right away be the best player in all of proleague if he joined.
In WOL, probably. Not sure whether that will continue in HoTS. Even smaller changes like Queen+OL buff can flip a match up on its head. With HoTS, we have new units, changes to units, new maps. It won't be like starting from square 1 but pretty close to it.
On January 12 2013 07:45 LighT. wrote: Possibilities KT Rolster: Highly Doubtful Already have two top tier Toss in Stats/Wooki, and have a promising B-teamer in motive. No need for another. What KT needs is a terran and aLive/Center would be amazing candidates. Big question: If Parting signs, who becomes the 2nd man behind Flash? Stats or Parting? Korean traditions dictate Stats; Skills dictate Parting
2nd man behind Flash? If they get Parting why would they need Flash? Parting would right away be the best player in all of proleague if he joined.
In WOL, probably. Not sure whether that will continue in HoTS. Even smaller changes like Queen+OL buff can flip a match up on its head. With HoTS, we have new units, changes to units, new maps. It won't be like starting from square 1 but pretty close to it.
On January 12 2013 07:45 LighT. wrote: Possibilities KT Rolster: Highly Doubtful Already have two top tier Toss in Stats/Wooki, and have a promising B-teamer in motive. No need for another. What KT needs is a terran and aLive/Center would be amazing candidates. Big question: If Parting signs, who becomes the 2nd man behind Flash? Stats or Parting? Korean traditions dictate Stats; Skills dictate Parting
2nd man behind Flash? If they get Parting why would they need Flash? Parting would right away be the best player in all of proleague if he joined.
Best player? He will be lucky if he gets into top 10. He peaked already.
On January 13 2013 08:06 iamho wrote: SKT should cut Bisu and use his salary to sign 10 protosses who don't suck.
As an SC2 fanboy who did not like Bisu ever since he shattered Savior's aura--do not ever treat someone who shaped the BW metagame as much he did with such disrespect. Most of what we know of how to play PvZ in fucking SC2 was because of this guy's advances in Protoss play style and unit cohesion. This guy's multitasking skills makes every single SC2 player's version of multitasking a fucking joke and if he wasn't forced to stick to toss so much we would be seeing the best Terran player on the planet dropping 3-4 spots at once doing better micro in all four spots better than MKP.
So am I reading correctly that if Parting get multiple bids (seemingly regardless of the bid amount) they will randomly assign him a team? Doesn't seem very logical, so I would hope that's wrong
On January 12 2013 07:45 LighT. wrote: Possibilities KT Rolster: Highly Doubtful Already have two top tier Toss in Stats/Wooki, and have a promising B-teamer in motive. No need for another. What KT needs is a terran and aLive/Center would be amazing candidates. Big question: If Parting signs, who becomes the 2nd man behind Flash? Stats or Parting? Korean traditions dictate Stats; Skills dictate Parting
2nd man behind Flash? If they get Parting why would they need Flash? Parting would right away be the best player in all of proleague if he joined.
Best player? He will be lucky if he gets into top 10. He peaked already.
Who peaked already? Flash or Parting? If you mean Parting, you're uh, wrong. Parting played the best Starcraft of his life toward the end of 2012 and it seems unreasonable to claim that "he peaked already" without having any real evidence supporting that claim. I mean... BWC and WCG and Blizzard Cup runner-up in as short a timespan as what Parting did... Uh, yeah no.
On January 13 2013 08:59 Zenbrez wrote: So am I reading correctly that if Parting get multiple bids (seemingly regardless of the bid amount) they will randomly assign him a team? Doesn't seem very logical, so I would hope that's wrong
On January 12 2013 07:45 LighT. wrote: Possibilities KT Rolster: Highly Doubtful Already have two top tier Toss in Stats/Wooki, and have a promising B-teamer in motive. No need for another. What KT needs is a terran and aLive/Center would be amazing candidates. Big question: If Parting signs, who becomes the 2nd man behind Flash? Stats or Parting? Korean traditions dictate Stats; Skills dictate Parting
2nd man behind Flash? If they get Parting why would they need Flash? Parting would right away be the best player in all of proleague if he joined.
Best player? He will be lucky if he gets into top 10. He peaked already.
Who peaked already? Flash or Parting? If you mean Parting, you're uh, wrong. Parting played the best Starcraft of his life toward the end of 2012 and it seems unreasonable to claim that "he peaked already" without having any real evidence supporting that claim. I mean... BWC and WCG and Blizzard Cup runner-up in as short a timespan as what Parting did... Uh, yeah no.
Flash peaked is a given, ofc talking about parting. SC2 peak span is much shorter than BW, six months are enough. Also with HOTS out, all things reset. Even in BW, 1 year peak is pretty huge.
On January 12 2013 07:45 LighT. wrote: Possibilities KT Rolster: Highly Doubtful Already have two top tier Toss in Stats/Wooki, and have a promising B-teamer in motive. No need for another. What KT needs is a terran and aLive/Center would be amazing candidates. Big question: If Parting signs, who becomes the 2nd man behind Flash? Stats or Parting? Korean traditions dictate Stats; Skills dictate Parting
2nd man behind Flash? If they get Parting why would they need Flash? Parting would right away be the best player in all of proleague if he joined.
In WOL, probably. Not sure whether that will continue in HoTS. Even smaller changes like Queen+OL buff can flip a match up on its head. With HoTS, we have new units, changes to units, new maps. It won't be like starting from square 1 but pretty close to it.
Perhaps but Parting's micro and decision making will carry over. Flash is no where near as skilled as Parting in those regards.
Decision making. Will. Carry over.
...wat. so u make the same decisions in hots as you did in wol?
On January 12 2013 07:45 LighT. wrote: Possibilities KT Rolster: Highly Doubtful Already have two top tier Toss in Stats/Wooki, and have a promising B-teamer in motive. No need for another. What KT needs is a terran and aLive/Center would be amazing candidates. Big question: If Parting signs, who becomes the 2nd man behind Flash? Stats or Parting? Korean traditions dictate Stats; Skills dictate Parting
2nd man behind Flash? If they get Parting why would they need Flash? Parting would right away be the best player in all of proleague if he joined.
Best player? He will be lucky if he gets into top 10. He peaked already.
Who peaked already? Flash or Parting? If you mean Parting, you're uh, wrong. Parting played the best Starcraft of his life toward the end of 2012 and it seems unreasonable to claim that "he peaked already" without having any real evidence supporting that claim. I mean... BWC and WCG and Blizzard Cup runner-up in as short a timespan as what Parting did... Uh, yeah no.
Flash peaked is a given, ofc talking about parting. SC2 peak span is much shorter than BW, six months are enough. Also with HOTS out, all things reset. Even in BW, 1 year peak is pretty huge.
yeah and how do you know that Parting is at peak already?
On January 13 2013 08:06 iamho wrote: SKT should cut Bisu and use his salary to sign 10 protosses who don't suck.
As an SC2 fanboy who did not like Bisu ever since he shattered Savior's aura--do not ever treat someone who shaped the BW metagame as much he did with such disrespect. Most of what we know of how to play PvZ in fucking SC2 was because of this guy's advances in Protoss play style and unit cohesion. This guy's multitasking skills makes every single SC2 player's version of multitasking a fucking joke and if he wasn't forced to stick to toss so much we would be seeing the best Terran player on the planet dropping 3-4 spots at once doing better micro in all four spots better than MKP.
So please, treat him with more respect.
Ya, sure u don't
I think someone dumb enough to depend on dark Templars versus the race with the most detection is not worth my spit--the fact that he made it work out of raw talent alone is impressive but I still hate that it worked.
And really? How can you like Bisu when Fantasy was using the coolest unit in BW (the vulture) to such sexy effects.
On January 13 2013 08:06 iamho wrote: SKT should cut Bisu and use his salary to sign 10 protosses who don't suck.
As an SC2 fanboy who did not like Bisu ever since he shattered Savior's aura--do not ever treat someone who shaped the BW metagame as much he did with such disrespect. Most of what we know of how to play PvZ in fucking SC2 was because of this guy's advances in Protoss play style and unit cohesion. This guy's multitasking skills makes every single SC2 player's version of multitasking a fucking joke and if he wasn't forced to stick to toss so much we would be seeing the best Terran player on the planet dropping 3-4 spots at once doing better micro in all four spots better than MKP.
So please, treat him with more respect.
Ya, sure u don't
I think someone dumb enough to depend on dark Templars versus the race with the most detection is not worth my spit--the fact that he made it work out of raw talent alone is impressive but I still hate that it worked.
And really? How can you like Bisu when Fantasy was using the coolest unit in BW (the vulture) to such sexy effects.
Was that first sentence with regard to BW? Latter part tells me yes lol. I have no idea what the heck you're smoking but uh yeah. You hate the fact corsairs and DTs sort of work well against the 3 hatch hive that Savior was sort of aiming for? He got redundant man and Bisu picked him apart in that finals. Not like people didn't know about corsairs/dt back then but he did it to amazing effect because not only did he spread you thin. He was busy taking out all of the important overlords at the same time. You cannot just depend on dts and Bisu didn't back then so I have no idea what the heck you're saying lmao. I feel sorry for the both of us after your tirade.
On January 13 2013 08:06 iamho wrote: SKT should cut Bisu and use his salary to sign 10 protosses who don't suck.
As an SC2 fanboy who did not like Bisu ever since he shattered Savior's aura--do not ever treat someone who shaped the BW metagame as much he did with such disrespect. Most of what we know of how to play PvZ in fucking SC2 was because of this guy's advances in Protoss play style and unit cohesion. This guy's multitasking skills makes every single SC2 player's version of multitasking a fucking joke and if he wasn't forced to stick to toss so much we would be seeing the best Terran player on the planet dropping 3-4 spots at once doing better micro in all four spots better than MKP.
So please, treat him with more respect.
Ya, sure u don't
I think someone dumb enough to depend on dark Templars versus the race with the most detection is not worth my spit--the fact that he made it work out of raw talent alone is impressive but I still hate that it worked.
And really? How can you like Bisu when Fantasy was using the coolest unit in BW (the vulture) to such sexy effects.
Was that first sentence with regard to BW? Latter part tells me yes lol. I have no idea what the heck you're smoking but uh yeah. You hate the fact corsairs and DTs sort of work well against the 3 hatch hive that Savior was sort of aiming for? He got redundant man and Bisu picked him apart in that finals. Not like people didn't know about corsairs/dt back then but he did it to amazing effect because not only did he spread you thin. He was busy taking out all of the important overlords at the same time. You cannot just depend on dts and Bisu didn't back then so I have no idea what the heck you're saying lmao. I feel sorry for the both of us after your tirade.
I was accused of being a Bisu fanboy. I thought his strat was gimmicky and bad when I saw it and so I hated him. Did he turn out to be consistent and one of the best Protoss players of all time? Yeah--but first impressions last man. I'm still a fan of Kyrix despite how much he fell ever since he lost to MKP on shakuras.
On January 13 2013 23:40 Dronk wrote: It's gonna be either SKT or KT.
Khan! He is going to mentor Jangbang and Stork! If not then he is going to goto SKT and teach Bisu and Best!
Don't you think Rain would have been able to teach Bisu and Best by now? Something tells me they just don't practice very hard on sc2 or take it seriously.
I feel Woongjin is a more solid overall team than SKT T1 this season so I'm using them in FPL and maybe going for them in Proleague this season (I'm politely anti-KT since they stopped being KTF MagicNs and started being KT Flash) and would love Parting to join Stars this season. I think I already said it but STX or Team 8 would be best for overall balance of the season (as Khan need to get their act together). That being said, it would make an awesome team for Protoss fans if he joined Khan.
On January 13 2013 23:40 Dronk wrote: It's gonna be either SKT or KT.
Khan! He is going to mentor Jangbang and Stork! If not then he is going to goto SKT and teach Bisu and Best!
Don't you think Rain would have been able to teach Bisu and Best by now? Something tells me they just don't practice very hard on sc2 or take it seriously.
They don't play BW any more. This is their job. You are simply wrong, the problem is not in their work ethic.
Want Khan so much as a hardcore fan (Even intentionally traded for them in FPL when they were losing every game ^^). Would be happy with either KT. I think the Soul joke would die pretty quickly if he got STX, but don't really mind just so long as it isn't STX or T8. :D
On January 14 2013 03:33 Fuchsteufelswild wrote: They don't play BW any more.
[citation needed]
Sea was even streaming BW when he was supposed to be focused on SC2. Then he retired from SC2 and started playing in amateur BW leagues.
If they do then they are fools. Sea wasn't streaming BW when he was supposed to be playing SC2 btw. It was his free time.
I enjoy Starcraft 2, does that mean I play SC2 at work or at home?
Bisu supposedly enjoys BW, does that mean he plays BW at work? No--he's a disciplined pro with responsibilities. If he doesn't have the discipline to practice for SPL, then BW is not that hard mechanically and people only win due to talent. If he does have the discipline to practice BW, then he has the discipline to practice SC2.
The truth is that SC2 is just too hard for someone like Bisu compared to his peers. Why? Because its a different game and relative skill in BW does not transfer to SC2.
So is it just me or does this whole kespa/esf controlling everything seem totally fucking bullshit? Why can't a team just pay for and field any player they like, whenever they like, however they like?
On January 14 2013 08:10 Maeldun wrote: So is it just me or does this whole kespa/esf controlling everything seem totally fucking bullshit? Why can't a team just pay for and field any player they like, whenever they like, however they like?
You want players to cost $$$ and richest team get richer while poor teams get poorer? Or you want a fair draft system where everyone gets same chance of getting a player? I don't say that Parting is cheap so any team can get him but putting a reasonable price tag on him and doing lottery is a good thing.
On January 14 2013 08:10 Maeldun wrote: So is it just me or does this whole kespa/esf controlling everything seem totally fucking bullshit? Why can't a team just pay for and field any player they like, whenever they like, however they like?
You want players to cost $$$ and richest team get richer while poor teams get poorer? Or you want a fair draft system where everyone gets same chance of getting a player? I don't say that Parting is cheap so any team can get him but putting a reasonable price tag on him and doing lottery is a good thing.
On January 14 2013 08:10 Maeldun wrote: So is it just me or does this whole kespa/esf controlling everything seem totally fucking bullshit? Why can't a team just pay for and field any player they like, whenever they like, however they like?
You want players to cost $$$ and richest team get richer while poor teams get poorer? Or you want a fair draft system where everyone gets same chance of getting a player? I don't say that Parting is cheap so any team can get him but putting a reasonable price tag on him and doing lottery is a good thing.
that sounds like socialism to me
It's the Korean E-Sports Association, but nobody ever said which Korea...
On January 14 2013 08:10 Maeldun wrote: So is it just me or does this whole kespa/esf controlling everything seem totally fucking bullshit? Why can't a team just pay for and field any player they like, whenever they like, however they like?
You want players to cost $$$ and richest team get richer while poor teams get poorer? Or you want a fair draft system where everyone gets same chance of getting a player? I don't say that Parting is cheap so any team can get him but putting a reasonable price tag on him and doing lottery is a good thing.
On January 14 2013 08:10 Maeldun wrote: So is it just me or does this whole kespa/esf controlling everything seem totally fucking bullshit? Why can't a team just pay for and field any player they like, whenever they like, however they like?
There needs to be a salary cap. Like in the NHL.
I can see some of the benefits such organisations are supposed to bring, but what gets me is the training/trade embargos, and the "join us or we will ruin you" attitude. Seems very power hungry.
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I'm just gonna watch the games and try not to let these things ruin it for me.
On January 14 2013 08:10 Maeldun wrote: So is it just me or does this whole kespa/esf controlling everything seem totally fucking bullshit? Why can't a team just pay for and field any player they like, whenever they like, however they like?
You want players to cost $$$ and richest team get richer while poor teams get poorer? Or you want a fair draft system where everyone gets same chance of getting a player? I don't say that Parting is cheap so any team can get him but putting a reasonable price tag on him and doing lottery is a good thing.
There are actual fair draft systems with salary caps and real bidding and so on, and then there's Kespa's "fair draft" system, which seems to be a dice roll where KT/SKT have as much chance as Khan or Stars.
Lotteries are dumb. There's plenty of space between rampant capitalism and this.
On January 14 2013 08:10 Maeldun wrote: So is it just me or does this whole kespa/esf controlling everything seem totally fucking bullshit? Why can't a team just pay for and field any player they like, whenever they like, however they like?
You want players to cost $$$ and richest team get richer while poor teams get poorer? Or you want a fair draft system where everyone gets same chance of getting a player? I don't say that Parting is cheap so any team can get him but putting a reasonable price tag on him and doing lottery is a good thing.
There are actual fair draft systems with salary caps and real bidding and so on, and then there's Kespa's "fair draft" system, which seems to be a dice roll where KT/SKT have as much chance as Khan or Stars.
Lotteries are dumb. There's plenty of space between rampant capitalism and this.
There wouldnt be bidding because Partings contract was already negotiated. I would also not be surprised if all 8 teams werent willing to pay it because they all might feel they need him.
Well, I guess it will spice up the KT - SKT matches a bit more in HotS and if PartinG and Rain would some how make Bisu understand how to play sc2 I guess we are in for some trouble. If not, Bisu is the one being in some deep trouble with that Protoss lineup.
But it's not like SKT are hurting so it would have been more fun if he went to another team that needed him more. Gratz SKT. ^^
On January 14 2013 15:12 Gosi wrote: Well, I guess it will spice up the KT - SKT matches a bit more in HotS and if PartinG and Rain would some how make Bisu understand how to play sc2 I guess we are in for some trouble. If not, Bisu is the one being in some deep trouble with that Protoss lineup.
But it's not like SKT are hurting so it would have been more fun if he went to another team that needed him more. Gratz SKT. ^^
Or maybe they should just let Bisu be happier and play Terran...
On January 14 2013 08:10 Maeldun wrote: So is it just me or does this whole kespa/esf controlling everything seem totally fucking bullshit? Why can't a team just pay for and field any player they like, whenever they like, however they like?
You want players to cost $$$ and richest team get richer while poor teams get poorer? Or you want a fair draft system where everyone gets same chance of getting a player? I don't say that Parting is cheap so any team can get him but putting a reasonable price tag on him and doing lottery is a good thing.
There are actual fair draft systems with salary caps and real bidding and so on, and then there's Kespa's "fair draft" system, which seems to be a dice roll where KT/SKT have as much chance as Khan or Stars.
Lotteries are dumb. There's plenty of space between rampant capitalism and this.
On January 14 2013 08:10 Maeldun wrote: So is it just me or does this whole kespa/esf controlling everything seem totally fucking bullshit? Why can't a team just pay for and field any player they like, whenever they like, however they like?
You want players to cost $$$ and richest team get richer while poor teams get poorer? Or you want a fair draft system where everyone gets same chance of getting a player? I don't say that Parting is cheap so any team can get him but putting a reasonable price tag on him and doing lottery is a good thing.
There are actual fair draft systems with salary caps and real bidding and so on, and then there's Kespa's "fair draft" system, which seems to be a dice roll where KT/SKT have as much chance as Khan or Stars.
Lotteries are dumb. There's plenty of space between rampant capitalism and this.
teehee, but this is rampant capitalism.
Its a good point, and a draft system would be totally boss but I don't think we are there yet.
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