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United Kingdom14103 Posts
Whaat...
Definitely didn't call that one happening! Contracts ended and sponsors didn't want to renew 
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On January 03 2013 22:02 algue wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 21:58 Mirror0423 wrote:
If SC2 was big enough in Korea idt this would be that big of a problem.
Maybe the scene IS over saturated, and too many people want a piece of the pie. Well instead of knocking people out, you can grow the pie bigger?
Look at WemadeFox from BW. For a long time they didn't really have any decent results, and yet they survived for years with minimal results (maybe a shine here from Mind, or a shine there from Midas but never for more than 1 tournament), just solely on the fact that they were the team with Nada on it. I remember on 뒷담화, the program where the casters for OGN get together and talk about everything SC:BW related, when WemadeFox lost part of their sponsorship one of the times, and after discussing it for a while one of 'em saying "well they're gonna be fine, they still have at least Nada" If enough people are a fan of Nada then SOME company will sponsor them. But look at the Korean SC2 scene. MKP, life, any Korean SC2 player, do they have anywhere NEAR the Korean fanbase of any BW legends? I wouldn't be surprised if Nada alone back then(even "back then" was well past his prime I'll see if I can remember when it was exactly) had more Korean fans than TSL(even including Polt, Parting, and Revival's numbers), or Prime.
Similar stuff happened with the Woongjin Stars. If enough people watch it, then someone WILL sponsor them for brand exposure/image. When Korean Air Starleague happened, against on 뒷담화 Kim Carrier talked about how basically sponsors were almost lining up to sponsor OSL. While it's probably true that the Managers could've done more to find sponsors, also A TON of other people could've done more to make a better product. I mean honestly, do you think google has a hard time getting Android on phone manufacturing company's phones? If we have a good enough product it'll make everything easier for everyone involved.
Idk who exactly this is to blame. I'm sure everyone who's a fan of SC2, whether they liked TSL or not, is not a fan of this happening. I agree with a lot of people who already posted on here that something like this had to happen sooner or later, but that's only assuming that the game didn't succeed in Korea. If Blizzard/ESF did something to grow the scene I feel like this couldn't been prevented. Also I kinda don't like that defeatist attitude of "ehh it had to happen, nothing we could do". On the other side of that, I don't know if this can be stopped anymore. I mean even if blizzard did something radical for HOTS, I don't think it's going to bring the numbers of SC2 up to BW level.
GL to all ex-TSL players, and GL to all the ESF teams. Everybody knows Blizzard fucked up somewhere with Sc2
It's so easy to just blame Blizzard, I'm not sure if that's how it works though.
BW was a national sport that got replaced, that's not something that happens often and it's hard to predict the outcome no matter how you rate the quality of the new game/sport.
I mean, go up to a bunch of hardcore rugby fans and tell them "tough shit, you have to watch american football now." What do you think is going to happen?
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God fucking damn it. Terrible, terrible sadness.
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This is why you need owners, not sponsors. Those fucking sponsors will jump ship as soon as they see something tough coming.
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Disappointing news to wake up to. Best of luck to the players.
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Wow killed by their own ex players!
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Its shocking to see another big korean team disband, but they really seemed disorganized. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw more teams go in 2013, at least some Foreign, like Mouz.
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This unfortunate event is another sign the Korean domestic scene is struggling and contracting. Korea can only support a certain number of Pro-gamers and with Kespa now involved some players will find themselves surplus to the amount of jobs available. TSL was one of the less stable teams financially and were struggling in the face of increased competition from Kespa teams and Foreign teams. It should be noted that the increased competition was not just in SC2 prize money but for sponsorship deals, media attention/profile and popularity with the fans.
ESF teams can function well in a vacuum but when they are up against teams backed by major corporations (KESPA) or Foreign teams that can pay players large salaries, it becomes increasingly hard to justify their model of not paying salaries to players. Many Koreans now play on Foreign teams, this makes it harder for ESF teams to retain their players as they have friends/acquaintances getting paid for doing the same thing in Foreign teams. In many industries it is true that talent follows the money, and SC2 is not immune to that reality.
These events make it harder for Ganzi to find a new team after leaving Complexity.
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Well... shit...
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^ Ganzi wants foreigner teams imo and he isn't good enough now to join Korean team, he's been being injured too long, that's bad.
Just few days of 2013 and TSL disband, PartinG leaves ST :S The year of tsunami
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Lacking sponsors is a real killer, and with Polt and Revival leaving sponsor intrest would be on a all time low.
Best of luck to all those getting the short end of the stick, perhaps some might get lucky and find a team that can actualy offer them some salary.
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i wonder if kespa has anything to do with these esF teams not finding sponsors
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Well that's a bleek start to 2012.
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On January 03 2013 22:22 Broodwurst wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 22:02 algue wrote:On January 03 2013 21:58 Mirror0423 wrote:
If SC2 was big enough in Korea idt this would be that big of a problem.
Maybe the scene IS over saturated, and too many people want a piece of the pie. Well instead of knocking people out, you can grow the pie bigger?
Look at WemadeFox from BW. For a long time they didn't really have any decent results, and yet they survived for years with minimal results (maybe a shine here from Mind, or a shine there from Midas but never for more than 1 tournament), just solely on the fact that they were the team with Nada on it. I remember on 뒷담화, the program where the casters for OGN get together and talk about everything SC:BW related, when WemadeFox lost part of their sponsorship one of the times, and after discussing it for a while one of 'em saying "well they're gonna be fine, they still have at least Nada" If enough people are a fan of Nada then SOME company will sponsor them. But look at the Korean SC2 scene. MKP, life, any Korean SC2 player, do they have anywhere NEAR the Korean fanbase of any BW legends? I wouldn't be surprised if Nada alone back then(even "back then" was well past his prime I'll see if I can remember when it was exactly) had more Korean fans than TSL(even including Polt, Parting, and Revival's numbers), or Prime.
Similar stuff happened with the Woongjin Stars. If enough people watch it, then someone WILL sponsor them for brand exposure/image. When Korean Air Starleague happened, against on 뒷담화 Kim Carrier talked about how basically sponsors were almost lining up to sponsor OSL. While it's probably true that the Managers could've done more to find sponsors, also A TON of other people could've done more to make a better product. I mean honestly, do you think google has a hard time getting Android on phone manufacturing company's phones? If we have a good enough product it'll make everything easier for everyone involved.
Idk who exactly this is to blame. I'm sure everyone who's a fan of SC2, whether they liked TSL or not, is not a fan of this happening. I agree with a lot of people who already posted on here that something like this had to happen sooner or later, but that's only assuming that the game didn't succeed in Korea. If Blizzard/ESF did something to grow the scene I feel like this couldn't been prevented. Also I kinda don't like that defeatist attitude of "ehh it had to happen, nothing we could do". On the other side of that, I don't know if this can be stopped anymore. I mean even if blizzard did something radical for HOTS, I don't think it's going to bring the numbers of SC2 up to BW level.
GL to all ex-TSL players, and GL to all the ESF teams. Everybody knows Blizzard fucked up somewhere with Sc2 It's so easy to just blame Blizzard, I'm not sure if that's how it works though. BW was a national sport that got replaced, that's not something that happens often and it's hard to predict the outcome no matter how you rate the quality of the new game/sport. I mean, go up to a bunch of hardcore rugby fans and tell them "tough shit, you have to watch american football now." What do you think is going to happen?
But then again just look at dota/Chinese proleagues, and at how well they they managed to switch from dota to dota2.And while you are making some good points you are talking about a different thing then what OP brought up: there wouldn't be a problem like this if the game would be more popular.
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This is really sad....
I feel like SC2 in Korea is dying slowly.....in 2014 I dont really expect that alot of Koreans teams will be alive if this continues on...you gotta keep in mind that TSL had great players some where the best....and they STILL didnt manage to get sponsors...so what will happend to teams with lesser players (korean that is).....the future looks grim....I dont really see any change in the future....SC2 doesnt really seem to appeal in Korea.....
I hope Im wrong..
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Germany25658 Posts
Shit TSL was a cool team.
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TSL fought as long as it could to stay alive. All due respect to them.
Hope that the other players can find teams.
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On January 03 2013 22:18 tiMelEfT wrote:
Next one is Prime.
Nope, NSHS should already be disbanend - no idea why they are still alive. Probably because they have no costs for teamhouse etc.
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