EPTOn January 05 2013 08:58 Catatonic wrote:
Coach Lee blaming players for him not being able to keep the team going hahaha expected
Coach Lee blaming players for him not being able to keep the team going hahaha expected
It was the players' faults -_-
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Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
It was the players' faults -_- | ||
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XaMaXaM
Germany113 Posts
On January 06 2013 14:40 Jojo131 wrote: Watching Pro league right now with SKT1 and there's like 4 people filling out the 20ish chairs in front of the stage.... stream is barely floating 10k stream views (I've seen WoW players make/break that number daily) Some things just dont need sources man, you just know it to be true. The newest stream viewer statistics are enough. But if Hots will be able to bring the Koreans back to SC|| there would be the chance of televised matches. | ||
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phodacbiet
United States1740 Posts
On January 07 2013 04:34 XaMaXaM wrote: The newest stream viewer statistics are enough. But if Hots will be able to bring the Koreans back to SC|| there would be the chance of televised matches. It is not going to happen, LoL already has such a grasp on the eSport market. Blizzard had a chance, they had the monopoly pretty much, but nawp, lets make a bad game + piss off kespa supporters. | ||
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hiyo_bye
United States737 Posts
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mayneeahk
Canada279 Posts
On January 07 2013 04:38 hiyo_bye wrote: aww, I liked TSL a lot (mostly due to Polt, FD, trickster). Hope all goes well with the players and the coach! Yeah hearing the coach is dealing with sickness along with his mother is super sad. They were in a tough enough spot as it was. | ||
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
It was not player's fault for not being paid... | ||
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Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
On January 07 2013 05:10 Boucot wrote: It was not player's fault for not being paid... Yeah it was lol =P TSL was the first team with salaries, but all sponsors backed out of TSL due to the instability and immaturity of the players. Then they were never able to get good sponsors after that because all their star players kept leaving due to greed. It was the players' faults.... | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On January 07 2013 05:13 Shinta) wrote: Yeah it was lol =P TSL was the first team with salaries, but all sponsors backed out of TSL due to the instability and immaturity of the players. Then they were never able to get good sponsors after that because all their star players kept leaving due to greed. It was the players' faults.... Drama requires both sides to be immature, imo. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
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masterbreti
Korea (South)2711 Posts
On January 07 2013 06:58 jmbthirteen wrote: Nah you can't blame a poorly run team business wise on the players. Those immature guys you talked about left the team like 2 years ago. And Lee still couldn't get it right. You clearly don't know what you are talking about. and to be honest I wouldn't speak about it unless you know the entire story. Do you know who paid for Polt's trips overseas all the time? Coach Lee Do you know who paid for all the team's expenses out of pocket for over a year? Coach Lee Do you know who has poured his heart into a team and ried his best to make things work? Coach Lee Coach Lee allowed the players to keep all the money they won, which few Korean teams allow these days. Coach Lee tried very hard to get sponsors, but with Korea and sc2 sponsors just don't come around very often, This is the same reason why teams like NSHS and prime aren't in the best shape money wise, and the exact some reason teams like Zenex have shut down in the past. Because people in TSL won't mention it outside of a select few people I'll be the first one to speak more frankly. Coach Lee's Mother has Cancer, Which is the illness Hyun and others have spoken about. Coach Kim had been taking a lot of the day to day stuff over from coach Lee. which is why you have seen him more often than Coach Lee. Coach Lee also has health problems of his own. And has many times been unable to manage TSL properly because he has been ill. Coach Lee still though managed to support a family of his own, and a entire sc2 team for over a year. Thats impressive for anyone to say the least. He tried to get sponsors, I know for a fact he had a meeting in regards to a sponship during IPL 5. And in all honesty, When polt and revival left he knew that it just wasn't worth the effort anymore, since many players had left before and he knew that eventually the other big players like Hyun and Symbol would move on to greener pastures. Coach Lee has always wanted what is best for his players, and this is why he shut TSL down, to give the players a guilt free exit from the team to get the money that they deserve on others. Any implication that Coach Lee is blaming the players is downright stupid and shouldn't be taken as true. Coach Lee has never blamed the players. | ||
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Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
On January 07 2013 10:11 masterbreti wrote: You clearly don't know what you are talking about. and to be honest I wouldn't speak about it unless you know the entire story. Do you know who paid for Polt's trips overseas all the time? Coach Lee Do you know who paid for all the team's expenses out of pocket for over a year? Coach Lee Do you know who has poured his heart into a team and ried his best to make things work? Coach Lee Coach Lee allowed the players to keep all the money they won, which few Korean teams allow these days. Coach Lee tried very hard to get sponsors, but with Korea and sc2 sponsors just don't come around very often, This is the same reason why teams like NSHS and prime aren't in the best shape money wise, and the exact some reason teams like Zenex have shut down in the past. Because people in TSL won't mention it outside of a select few people I'll be the first one to speak more frankly. Coach Lee's Mother has Cancer, Which is the illness Hyun and others have spoken about. Coach Kim had been taking a lot of the day to day stuff over from coach Lee. which is why you have seen him more often than Coach Lee. Coach Lee also has health problems of his own. And has many times been unable to manage TSL properly because he has been ill. Coach Lee still though managed to support a family of his own, and a entire sc2 team for over a year. Thats impressive for anyone to say the least. He tried to get sponsors, I know for a fact he had a meeting in regards to a sponship during IPL 5. And in all honesty, When polt and revival left he knew that it just wasn't worth the effort anymore, since many players had left before and he knew that eventually the other big players like Hyun and Symbol would move on to greener pastures. Coach Lee has always wanted what is best for his players, and this is why he shut TSL down, to give the players a guilt free exit from the team to get the money that they deserve on others. Any implication that Coach Lee is blaming the players is downright stupid and shouldn't be taken as true. Coach Lee has never blamed the players. ^ this. People don't realize that Coach Lee was the best coach in ESF. They bash him and bash him, but have no clue that he did everything to give to his players... If any other Coach was in charge of TSL, the team would have disbanded a long time ago.. @jmbthirteen I wasn't talking about 2 players. I was talking about all of the stars that TSL produced. FD and Trickster were the first two. They got so much out of being in TSL, and were the first SC2 players to be salaried in SC2 history. Then they started drinking and pissing away their time and became nothing but a nuisance. After Lee got tired and had them sit and practice or reconsider their salary, they tried to illegally move to Startale. They got caught, then they quit SC2. PuMa and JYP were both made in TSL. They went from nobodies to TSL starters and important GSTL members. They were both offered huge $$$ by EG, and they both left the team that made them. Same can be said of aLive (who was always thought to be awful until he made huge results under TSL right before switching to Fnatic) as well as Team Captains Killer and Clide (Trickster was also a team captain, so that's 3 team captains who betrayed TSL) Also notable is Heart, who also started showing results and gaining a lot of hype during his stay at TSL. You take every player who became starters for TSL, and they all left the team for selfish reasons. Salaried and not salaried, they all betrayed the team that created them. All of them were nobodies before they joined TSL. With all of their star power leaving the team as soon as they were developed into star power material, their sponsors abandoned the project and Lee was never able to maintain a top tier team long enough to attract sponsors. You add the personal problems the Lee had to deal with, and you have so much reason to feel sorry for Lee. Why would you defend any of the players for their harmful actions? Greed kills the game. Always has and always will. | ||
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TrickyGilligan
United States641 Posts
On January 07 2013 17:34 Shinta) wrote: + Show Spoiler + ^ this. People don't realize that Coach Lee was the best coach in ESF. They bash him and bash him, but have no clue that he did everything to give to his players... If any other Coach was in charge of TSL, the team would have disbanded a long time ago.. @jmbthirteen I wasn't talking about 2 players. I was talking about all of the stars that TSL produced. FD and Trickster were the first two. They got so much out of being in TSL, and were the first SC2 players to be salaried in SC2 history. Then they started drinking and pissing away their time and became nothing but a nuisance. After Lee got tired and had them sit and practice or reconsider their salary, they tried to illegally move to Startale. They got caught, then they quit SC2. PuMa and JYP were both made in TSL. They went from nobodies to TSL starters and important GSTL members. They were both offered huge $$$ by EG, and they both left the team that made them. Same can be said of aLive (who was always thought to be awful until he made huge results under TSL right before switching to Fnatic) as well as Team Captains Killer and Clide (Trickster was also a team captain, so that's 3 team captains who betrayed TSL) Also notable is Heart, who also started showing results and gaining a lot of hype during his stay at TSL. You take every player who became starters for TSL, and they all left the team for selfish reasons. Salaried and not salaried, they all betrayed the team that created them. All of them were nobodies before they joined TSL. With all of their star power leaving the team as soon as they were developed into star power material, their sponsors abandoned the project and Lee was never able to maintain a top tier team long enough to attract sponsors. You add the personal problems the Lee had to deal with, and you have so much reason to feel sorry for Lee. Why would you defend any of the players for their harmful actions? Greed kills the game. Always has and always will. Ok, I'm sure that what I'm about to say has been brought up before in this thread, but I feel the need to rehash it. If someone offered me significantly more money to do the same job I'm currently doing, I would jump at the opportunity. I would let my employer know that I had the offer, and give him the chance to match it. If he were unable or unwilling, I would give my two week's notice and not look back. I fail to see how this is any different than switching teams. It's certainly not a "betrayal" or a "harmful action." If you worked at McDonald's, and quit when you found a better job, would you lie awake at nights worrying about your treason against the Golden Arches? On the other hand, I'm not in any way blaming Coach Lee for this. I'm saddened to hear about his health problems and those of his family, and I wish nothing but the best for him. It's sad to see TSL leaving too, they were a great team. I just don't think anyone is at fault. Sometimes things just happen, and it looks like TSL leaving the SC2 scene is one of those things. | ||
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