TSL Disbands - Page 33

On January 04 2013 20:57 opterown wrote:

how are you so sure it's prime?

On January 04 2013 21:01 DiMano wrote:

The news when they promote their streams, BBoong, AriA and Salmosa leaving the team, Prime players were at IPL5, they have the smallest roster among korean teams even NSH has more players and I doubt that it can be MVP, ST or IM. Ofc I am not 100% sure though

On January 04 2013 23:59 S_SienZ wrote:

They wouldn't have gotten a new team house if they had money trouble though

Pretty sure it will be NSH.

On January 04 2013 05:34 Fionn wrote:
Also I feel like Azubu fucked up.

They sign a bunch of middle of the road players.

A week later and they could have talked to Polt, Parting, Supernova, Symbol, Hyun, and BboongBboong.

Oops.

On January 05 2013 00:26 DiMano wrote:

TSL also got a new team house and? NSH has more players then Prime and if you watched GSL Blizz Cup there were a lot of players in NSH shirts.

Anyway I really really hope both Prime and NSH will not disband.

On January 05 2013 01:32 S_SienZ wrote:

and Polt and RevivaL left. Prime has yet to lose any significant player since B4 left.

So what if NSH has more players than Prime? So do many other teams. But Prime has more Code S players and has overall a much stronger roster than NSH. NSH would've been forgotten by now if it wasn't for jjakji.

On January 05 2013 03:04 jmbthirteen wrote:

dont you get it? it has nothing to do with roster strength. They could have MVP, Nestea, DRG, MC, MKP, but if they don't have major sponsors, it doesn't matter. Prime was begging for Twitch subscriptions just like a month ago. You don't do that if you team is in good position financially.

On January 05 2013 04:39 AnomalySC2 wrote:



It's because the viewer numbers just aren't there. No viewers, no sponsors. Everyone is switching to LoL :\. That is especially true in Korea, the game has swept through esports like the plague and left nothing else. Its popularity is staggering.

On January 03 2013 17:57 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:

This is absolutely not the case, people really need to stop saying this. Any sport from top to bottom can find sponsorships based on viewership numbers. Just because there is something bigger out there does not mean there is no worth. If that were the case no sport below the largest would be able to find sponsors. There is plenty of opportunity for sponsorship dollars in StarCraft2.

The issue is too many people want to be a part of it. It is only natural to lose some along the way when that happens. This goes for tournaments, teams, and players. There are simply too many teams in Korea and only the ones with the best business structure will survive in the long run. Korean teams never evolved with the scene. They took a laid back BroodWar approach of no streaming, no social media, no websites. In BroodWar the teams were carried by being on TV. In StarCraft2 they did not have such a pitch and never got their act together.

On January 05 2013 05:46 N.geNuity wrote:
I have to disagree with nazgul saying it's a "laidback BroodWar approach" because all the most popular competitive games in korea--LoL, special forces, starcraft 1, warcraft 3-- have all been picked up by the big chaebols (south korean business conglomerate) eventually. If the game is popular enough, it gets picked up; it's proven to work and it is not unique to brood war.

When its big chaebols doing the sponsoring (LG, Samsung, CJ, KT, SKT) and some other large companies (woongjin which actually has some financial troubles that made international news, Najin industries, STX corporation) tv viewership does matter a lot. They are treating LoL as a professional sport essentially and treated BW as a professional sport; kespa will hope sc2 grows and sudden attack is very popular but has less viewership.

don't know how much razer is sponsoring MVP teams, and azubu is throwing its weight around in esports now. But those chaebols + MVP, azubu, najin,stx, woongjin covers the main korean owned teams except startale and prime for both LoL and sc2 in korea. Wemade and Hwaseung pulled out their investments.

It is not the best to your players to just "hope" a big sponsor picks you up--that's the problem sc2 korean teams have-- but all the popular multiplayer competitive games did get investment from big companies or from game publishers themselves in korea (Hanbit, Wemade, I don't know what to classify estro as but estro was IEG investment afaik) so it's proven to work. The mentality is to get picked up by a big corporation, I assume, because all the big non MMO games--which are huge in Maple story, Aion, Blade & Soul, and the sidescroller Dungeon fighter-- eventually got picked up.

Warcraft 3 players got picked up by estro, samsung, wemade (lyn and moon), and hanbit; starcraft 1 got huge investment from the chaebols; sudden attack has investments from the same chaebols and most kespa teams had sudden attack teams; LoL is dominant in korea and the chaebols have picked up teams, and sponsors are even buying 2 teams at once (najin, mvp, kt, azubu) and getting the huge esports personalities in Reach and YellOw to be coaches. I am not personally familiar with any history besides starcraft but you can look these things up.

LoL and special forces are #1 and #2 in online game rankings with those other 4 MMO games rounding out top 6, and top 4 streamed games are LoL, Star1 BW, minecraft, and Sudden attack. If a game is popular enough, it brings in the chaebols. Western teams bring in money by pooling in various sponsors, but eastern teams in warcraft 3, star1, sudden attack, LoL, and dota do get picked up by major companies. Yes, it's not good to the players to just hope a chaebol picks up the team, but the chaebols and equivalent companies for chinese dota are going to win out in korea/china, NOT teams that can "evolve" to a new business model in streaming/social media. At least not in the east, imho.

edit: on topic I guess TSL failed to get the big sponsor and that's going to be the case with the rest of star2 teams in korea. LG came in for LG-IM, MVP apparently has faith in getting 2 LoL teams and their sc2 team, FXO is foreign owned, but I'd expect prime and startale to get in trouble soon.