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Catatonic
Profile Joined August 2011
United States699 Posts
January 04 2013 23:58 GMT
#661
Coach Lee blaming players for him not being able to keep the team going hahaha expected
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MoriyaGXP
Profile Joined September 2010
Korea (South)240 Posts
January 05 2013 00:01 GMT
#662
Let's hope Samsung Khan pick up some good players.
Jaedong/Bisu/Tossgirl fan <3
Glenn313
Profile Joined August 2011
United States475 Posts
January 05 2013 14:45 GMT
#663
That's terrible..
Hey man
NEEDZMOAR
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1277 Posts
January 05 2013 17:11 GMT
#664
On January 05 2013 08:58 Catatonic wrote:
Coach Lee blaming players for him not being able to keep the team going hahaha expected


pretty much this, Ive always had a feeling that Coach Lee's a bit of an asshole, especially considering the drama around TSLs "birth".
President Dead
Profile Joined November 2012
97 Posts
January 05 2013 18:33 GMT
#665
As SC2 continues through-out the years I can pretty much expect this happening to many more teams. SC2 player base consistently gets worse and its useless for sponsors to support something that so little people are into. Sponsors should just go to LoL; at least that community won't be fledgling for next couple of years.
Hey, I'm a police officer. Just do what I tell ya.
LordSubtle
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada25 Posts
January 05 2013 18:37 GMT
#666
Ouch TSL was my fav <3...Guess Symbol can get a salary at least now. Hes too amazing to not have one
Subtlety is the art of saying what you want and getting out of the way before it is understood.
bbbloodmaker
Profile Joined February 2012
Latvia2 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-05 19:11:25
January 05 2013 19:10 GMT
#667
Man, this is sad. I don't know why, but I get this feeling that SC2 is starting to go downhill. People are switching games, teams are disbanding, leagues are becoming empty, streams having less viewers, tournaments and lans having less people attending and watching live and so on. Or is it just that i somehow seem to notice the bad news and not the new beginnings?
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32747 Posts
January 05 2013 19:27 GMT
#668
On January 06 2013 04:10 bbbloodmaker wrote:
Man, this is sad. I don't know why, but I get this feeling that SC2 is starting to go downhill. People are switching games, teams are disbanding, leagues are becoming empty, streams having less viewers, tournaments and lans having less people attending and watching live and so on. Or is it just that i somehow seem to notice the bad news and not the new beginnings?


This isn't the harbinger of SC2's decline, TSL was always in trouble.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
January 05 2013 19:29 GMT
#669
On January 06 2013 03:33 President Dead wrote:
As SC2 continues through-out the years I can pretty much expect this happening to many more teams. SC2 player base consistently gets worse and its useless for sponsors to support something that so little people are into. Sponsors should just go to LoL; at least that community won't be fledgling for next couple of years.


Source?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
mikkmagro
Profile Joined April 2011
Malta1513 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-05 19:35:02
January 05 2013 19:33 GMT
#670
On January 06 2013 04:10 bbbloodmaker wrote:
Man, this is sad. I don't know why, but I get this feeling that SC2 is starting to go downhill. People are switching games, teams are disbanding, leagues are becoming empty, streams having less viewers, tournaments and lans having less people attending and watching live and so on. Or is it just that i somehow seem to notice the bad news and not the new beginnings?


how can you say something like that...you just got an influx of EIGHT very well funded new teams.

Samsung KHAN
CJ Entus
SK Telecom T1
Woongjin Stars
STX SouL
KT Rolster
8th Team
Azubu

and you're sad because a team with the business savvy of a bloody gecko closed down? Sure, I'm sad for TSL, and for the players who have to look for a new team, but yes, I'd say people are only noticing the bad news. TSL didn't close down because there is no money. TSL closed down because running a pro team is like running a business, but their management, if they had any, did not figure that out.
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Ikris
Profile Joined March 2012
24 Posts
January 05 2013 19:44 GMT
#671
I don't know if it will all come crashing down. Azubu did just build a pretty solid team recently.
But no one can deny that other games out right now are garnering thousands more interest from sponsors, and that will ultimately hurt the ability of SC2 to grow as a financial product.

The reasons why other games are more popular is another discussion, but the fact remains that sc2 probably needs to change how it handles money if it wants to not even succeed, but survive.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
January 05 2013 19:44 GMT
#672
On January 06 2013 03:33 President Dead wrote:
As SC2 continues through-out the years I can pretty much expect this happening to many more teams. SC2 player base consistently gets worse and its useless for sponsors to support something that so little people are into. Sponsors should just go to LoL; at least that community won't be fledgling for next couple of years.

player base getting worse when all of Kespa just switched over? are you kidding me? The skill now is only going to raise as those guys continue to play along side the great players who have been playing for 2+ years.

When Kespa came to sc2, it was obvious some ESF teams would fold. For the most part, ESF teams have little financial backing, and thats due to poor management. When you get all of Kespa involved, its going to mean poorly run teams will end up closing down.
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jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
January 05 2013 19:48 GMT
#673
On January 06 2013 04:44 Ikris wrote:
I don't know if it will all come crashing down. Azubu did just build a pretty solid team recently.
But no one can deny that other games out right now are garnering thousands more interest from sponsors, and that will ultimately hurt the ability of SC2 to grow as a financial product.

The reasons why other games are more popular is another discussion, but the fact remains that sc2 probably needs to change how it handles money if it wants to not even succeed, but survive.

proof of other games garnering thousands more interest from sponsors? Just because LoL is more popular doesn't mean more sponsors. Their entire scene is pretty much funded by the developer.

Azubu just launched their team. Axiom just launched theirs not long ago. EG opened a second sc2 house. TL seems to be doing pretty well. NASL is going to be on its 5th season. IPL just had their best event and has more scheduled for next year. MLG is still going strong, DH too. Its about having competent people run the business end. As the scene gets more competitive, its natural that poorly run businesses will die. Has nothing to do with the scene dying.
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Ikris
Profile Joined March 2012
24 Posts
January 05 2013 20:25 GMT
#674
On January 06 2013 04:48 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 04:44 Ikris wrote:
I don't know if it will all come crashing down. Azubu did just build a pretty solid team recently.
But no one can deny that other games out right now are garnering thousands more interest from sponsors, and that will ultimately hurt the ability of SC2 to grow as a financial product.

The reasons why other games are more popular is another discussion, but the fact remains that sc2 probably needs to change how it handles money if it wants to not even succeed, but survive.

proof of other games garnering thousands more interest from sponsors? Just because LoL is more popular doesn't mean more sponsors. Their entire scene is pretty much funded by the developer.

Azubu just launched their team. Axiom just launched theirs not long ago. EG opened a second sc2 house. TL seems to be doing pretty well. NASL is going to be on its 5th season. IPL just had their best event and has more scheduled for next year. MLG is still going strong, DH too. Its about having competent people run the business end. As the scene gets more competitive, its natural that poorly run businesses will die. Has nothing to do with the scene dying.


How would being more popular not mean sponsors. Companies are going to be more attracted to the product that has a bigger audience. It's why commercial space for the Super Bowl is so expensive, because demand for that time is so high.
It'd be amazing though if Blizzard followed suit and invested the same amount of time and effort in their games though.
testthewest
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany274 Posts
January 05 2013 22:25 GMT
#675
On January 06 2013 04:44 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 03:33 President Dead wrote:
As SC2 continues through-out the years I can pretty much expect this happening to many more teams. SC2 player base consistently gets worse and its useless for sponsors to support something that so little people are into. Sponsors should just go to LoL; at least that community won't be fledgling for next couple of years.

player base getting worse when all of Kespa just switched over? are you kidding me? The skill now is only going to raise as those guys continue to play along side the great players who have been playing for 2+ years.

When Kespa came to sc2, it was obvious some ESF teams would fold. For the most part, ESF teams have little financial backing, and thats due to poor management. When you get all of Kespa involved, its going to mean poorly run teams will end up closing down.


Yeah, but why are Kespa teams financially well?
Because they had a lot of SC-BW in Korea interested in the game they play at highest standard.

But if Koreans care alot less about the SC2 game, then now is a very tense situation for Kespa and SC2 esports. Either, they manage to win the fans over to SC2, or they fans switch games themselves, then Starcraft francise esports is over.
War is not about who is right, but who is left.
washikie
Profile Joined February 2011
United States752 Posts
January 06 2013 05:17 GMT
#676
= ( tsl was a great team its sad to see them go.
"when life gives Hero lemons he makes carriers" -Artosis
Jojo131
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil1631 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-06 05:44:33
January 06 2013 05:40 GMT
#677
On January 06 2013 04:29 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 03:33 President Dead wrote:
As SC2 continues through-out the years I can pretty much expect this happening to many more teams. SC2 player base consistently gets worse and its useless for sponsors to support something that so little people are into. Sponsors should just go to LoL; at least that community won't be fledgling for next couple of years.


Source?

Watching Pro league right now with SKT1 and there's like 4 people filling out the 20ish chairs in front of the stage.... stream is barely floating 10k stream views (I've seen WoW players make/break that number daily)

Some things just dont need sources man, you just know it to be true.
IMBACoaching
Profile Joined October 2010
United States86 Posts
January 06 2013 19:00 GMT
#678
ouch... so many teams are disbanding
Savior of eSports
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
January 06 2013 19:07 GMT
#679
On January 06 2013 04:33 mikkmagro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 04:10 bbbloodmaker wrote:
Man, this is sad. I don't know why, but I get this feeling that SC2 is starting to go downhill. People are switching games, teams are disbanding, leagues are becoming empty, streams having less viewers, tournaments and lans having less people attending and watching live and so on. Or is it just that i somehow seem to notice the bad news and not the new beginnings?


how can you say something like that...you just got an influx of EIGHT very well funded new teams.

Samsung KHAN
CJ Entus
SK Telecom T1
Woongjin Stars
STX SouL
KT Rolster
8th Team
Azubu

and you're sad because a team with the business savvy of a bloody gecko closed down? Sure, I'm sad for TSL, and for the players who have to look for a new team, but yes, I'd say people are only noticing the bad news. TSL didn't close down because there is no money. TSL closed down because running a pro team is like running a business, but their management, if they had any, did not figure that out.


Don't forget Axiom on that list either! They seem to be pretty well off, buying a house in Korea and all.
Wolf
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)3290 Posts
January 06 2013 19:24 GMT
#680
Read about it. Figure it out. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaebol
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