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Catatonic
United States699 Posts
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MoriyaGXP
Korea (South)240 Posts
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Glenn313
United States475 Posts
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NEEDZMOAR
Sweden1277 Posts
On January 05 2013 08:58 Catatonic wrote: Coach Lee blaming players for him not being able to keep the team going hahaha expected pretty much this, Ive always had a feeling that Coach Lee's a bit of an asshole, especially considering the drama around TSLs "birth". | ||
President Dead
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LordSubtle
Canada25 Posts
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bbbloodmaker
Latvia2 Posts
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32736 Posts
On January 06 2013 04:10 bbbloodmaker wrote: Man, this is sad. I don't know why, but I get this feeling that SC2 is starting to go downhill. People are switching games, teams are disbanding, leagues are becoming empty, streams having less viewers, tournaments and lans having less people attending and watching live and so on. Or is it just that i somehow seem to notice the bad news and not the new beginnings? This isn't the harbinger of SC2's decline, TSL was always in trouble. | ||
Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On January 06 2013 03:33 President Dead wrote: As SC2 continues through-out the years I can pretty much expect this happening to many more teams. SC2 player base consistently gets worse and its useless for sponsors to support something that so little people are into. Sponsors should just go to LoL; at least that community won't be fledgling for next couple of years. Source? | ||
mikkmagro
Malta1513 Posts
On January 06 2013 04:10 bbbloodmaker wrote: Man, this is sad. I don't know why, but I get this feeling that SC2 is starting to go downhill. People are switching games, teams are disbanding, leagues are becoming empty, streams having less viewers, tournaments and lans having less people attending and watching live and so on. Or is it just that i somehow seem to notice the bad news and not the new beginnings? how can you say something like that...you just got an influx of EIGHT very well funded new teams. Samsung KHAN CJ Entus SK Telecom T1 Woongjin Stars STX SouL KT Rolster 8th Team Azubu and you're sad because a team with the business savvy of a bloody gecko closed down? Sure, I'm sad for TSL, and for the players who have to look for a new team, but yes, I'd say people are only noticing the bad news. TSL didn't close down because there is no money. TSL closed down because running a pro team is like running a business, but their management, if they had any, did not figure that out. | ||
Ikris
24 Posts
But no one can deny that other games out right now are garnering thousands more interest from sponsors, and that will ultimately hurt the ability of SC2 to grow as a financial product. The reasons why other games are more popular is another discussion, but the fact remains that sc2 probably needs to change how it handles money if it wants to not even succeed, but survive. | ||
jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On January 06 2013 03:33 President Dead wrote: As SC2 continues through-out the years I can pretty much expect this happening to many more teams. SC2 player base consistently gets worse and its useless for sponsors to support something that so little people are into. Sponsors should just go to LoL; at least that community won't be fledgling for next couple of years. player base getting worse when all of Kespa just switched over? are you kidding me? The skill now is only going to raise as those guys continue to play along side the great players who have been playing for 2+ years. When Kespa came to sc2, it was obvious some ESF teams would fold. For the most part, ESF teams have little financial backing, and thats due to poor management. When you get all of Kespa involved, its going to mean poorly run teams will end up closing down. | ||
jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On January 06 2013 04:44 Ikris wrote: I don't know if it will all come crashing down. Azubu did just build a pretty solid team recently. But no one can deny that other games out right now are garnering thousands more interest from sponsors, and that will ultimately hurt the ability of SC2 to grow as a financial product. The reasons why other games are more popular is another discussion, but the fact remains that sc2 probably needs to change how it handles money if it wants to not even succeed, but survive. proof of other games garnering thousands more interest from sponsors? Just because LoL is more popular doesn't mean more sponsors. Their entire scene is pretty much funded by the developer. Azubu just launched their team. Axiom just launched theirs not long ago. EG opened a second sc2 house. TL seems to be doing pretty well. NASL is going to be on its 5th season. IPL just had their best event and has more scheduled for next year. MLG is still going strong, DH too. Its about having competent people run the business end. As the scene gets more competitive, its natural that poorly run businesses will die. Has nothing to do with the scene dying. | ||
Ikris
24 Posts
On January 06 2013 04:48 jmbthirteen wrote: proof of other games garnering thousands more interest from sponsors? Just because LoL is more popular doesn't mean more sponsors. Their entire scene is pretty much funded by the developer. Azubu just launched their team. Axiom just launched theirs not long ago. EG opened a second sc2 house. TL seems to be doing pretty well. NASL is going to be on its 5th season. IPL just had their best event and has more scheduled for next year. MLG is still going strong, DH too. Its about having competent people run the business end. As the scene gets more competitive, its natural that poorly run businesses will die. Has nothing to do with the scene dying. How would being more popular not mean sponsors. Companies are going to be more attracted to the product that has a bigger audience. It's why commercial space for the Super Bowl is so expensive, because demand for that time is so high. It'd be amazing though if Blizzard followed suit and invested the same amount of time and effort in their games though. | ||
testthewest
Germany274 Posts
On January 06 2013 04:44 jmbthirteen wrote: player base getting worse when all of Kespa just switched over? are you kidding me? The skill now is only going to raise as those guys continue to play along side the great players who have been playing for 2+ years. When Kespa came to sc2, it was obvious some ESF teams would fold. For the most part, ESF teams have little financial backing, and thats due to poor management. When you get all of Kespa involved, its going to mean poorly run teams will end up closing down. Yeah, but why are Kespa teams financially well? Because they had a lot of SC-BW in Korea interested in the game they play at highest standard. But if Koreans care alot less about the SC2 game, then now is a very tense situation for Kespa and SC2 esports. Either, they manage to win the fans over to SC2, or they fans switch games themselves, then Starcraft francise esports is over. | ||
washikie
United States752 Posts
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Jojo131
Brazil1631 Posts
Watching Pro league right now with SKT1 and there's like 4 people filling out the 20ish chairs in front of the stage.... stream is barely floating 10k stream views (I've seen WoW players make/break that number daily) Some things just dont need sources man, you just know it to be true. | ||
IMBACoaching
United States86 Posts
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Swords
6038 Posts
On January 06 2013 04:33 mikkmagro wrote: how can you say something like that...you just got an influx of EIGHT very well funded new teams. Samsung KHAN CJ Entus SK Telecom T1 Woongjin Stars STX SouL KT Rolster 8th Team Azubu and you're sad because a team with the business savvy of a bloody gecko closed down? Sure, I'm sad for TSL, and for the players who have to look for a new team, but yes, I'd say people are only noticing the bad news. TSL didn't close down because there is no money. TSL closed down because running a pro team is like running a business, but their management, if they had any, did not figure that out. Don't forget Axiom on that list either! They seem to be pretty well off, buying a house in Korea and all. | ||
Wolf
Korea (South)3290 Posts
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