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Ministry of Win - 29.12.2012 Press Release - Page 10

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nmetasch
Profile Joined April 2012
United States600 Posts
December 30 2012 19:38 GMT
#181
I'm so sick of seeing MOW drama. There are scam businesses everywhere, best to just ignore it and move on, warning people along the way.
BreakeR.
Profile Joined October 2010
Austria220 Posts
December 30 2012 20:21 GMT
#182
On December 30 2012 21:26 NVRLand wrote:
MoW just can't seem to win (ironically). Whatever they do, the community is just hating on them...

As long as players are there, it can't be that awful, right? Why would players as Wilko and MorroW stay there if it was a bunch of idiots running the place?

They have probably fucked up once or twice but a lot is just "WE WANTZ MOAR DRAMA" from the community and trying to blow things out of proportion. Refusing to read their explanation just because you don't want to generate page views is one of the most stupid things I've heard..

This is all just my opinion tho :D

This!!!!!!
The hardest part about being smart is accepting that others are stupid. -Tasteless
skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
December 30 2012 20:22 GMT
#183
Ministry of Win have to improve.
All this talk about drama but in the end its always "Wednesday afternoon drama", nothing shocking nothing big.
Its filler drama between bigger dramas.

If they want to have success in esport, they should think about investing way more resources and upgrade their drama to a more competitive level.
Save gaming: kill esport
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
December 30 2012 20:56 GMT
#184
On December 31 2012 04:13 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2012 02:38 Aulox wrote:
I think it's about time we all just let them burn. I mean, there's no reason why we should trust them.



Your signature "esports FTW" is actually hilarious given your post. You advocate the mob getting involved in esports business's affairs and declaring judgment based on forum posts. A gaming house where players are satisfied and not moving out deserved to be banished from the community. For heaven's sake, a cook and cleaner didn't get paid and desrow didn't like his food! These are unforgivable sins? Not really...be a little more reasonable please.

Why are you so adamantly defending MoW? After trying to destroy Mista's progaming career you've got a change of heart and now you defend the downtrodden of E-sports? Big change of heart bro. MoW has had multiple instances of drama and chances to rectify its position but they can't seem to pull it together as a professional organization. In fact, I'm pretty sure there is no organization, just one guy renting out rooms as it seems MoW doesn't offer much beyond that. If just once they could have released a statement that wasn't riddled with grammatical errors I'd go back on everything I said. But no, proofreading your own writing is too much to expect from a professional business. If you actually care about "Esports" youd want to see scams like this shutdown.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
December 30 2012 21:17 GMT
#185
On December 31 2012 05:56 SupLilSon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2012 04:13 Doodsmack wrote:
On December 31 2012 02:38 Aulox wrote:
I think it's about time we all just let them burn. I mean, there's no reason why we should trust them.



Your signature "esports FTW" is actually hilarious given your post. You advocate the mob getting involved in esports business's affairs and declaring judgment based on forum posts. A gaming house where players are satisfied and not moving out deserved to be banished from the community. For heaven's sake, a cook and cleaner didn't get paid and desrow didn't like his food! These are unforgivable sins? Not really...be a little more reasonable please.

Why are you so adamantly defending MoW? After trying to destroy Mista's progaming career you've got a change of heart and now you defend the downtrodden of E-sports? Big change of heart bro. MoW has had multiple instances of drama and chances to rectify its position but they can't seem to pull it together as a professional organization. In fact, I'm pretty sure there is no organization, just one guy renting out rooms as it seems MoW doesn't offer much beyond that. If just once they could have released a statement that wasn't riddled with grammatical errors I'd go back on everything I said. But no, proofreading your own writing is too much to expect from a professional business. If you actually care about "Esports" youd want to see scams like this shutdown.



Lol I still believe Mista was hacking, although that's irrelevant here, the point is that I only go after actual problems. In almost every drama thread I've pretty much railed against the drama queens, which is abundantly clear in my post history. You've still cited nothing more than a cook and cleaner not getting paid, desrow not liking his food, and them using a non-native English speaker to write press releases. That amounts to a "scam" in your eyes? There are reputable players who are satisfied, improving, and not moving out. You're being overdramatic.
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-30 21:36:28
December 30 2012 21:26 GMT
#186
On December 31 2012 06:17 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2012 05:56 SupLilSon wrote:
On December 31 2012 04:13 Doodsmack wrote:
On December 31 2012 02:38 Aulox wrote:
I think it's about time we all just let them burn. I mean, there's no reason why we should trust them.



Your signature "esports FTW" is actually hilarious given your post. You advocate the mob getting involved in esports business's affairs and declaring judgment based on forum posts. A gaming house where players are satisfied and not moving out deserved to be banished from the community. For heaven's sake, a cook and cleaner didn't get paid and desrow didn't like his food! These are unforgivable sins? Not really...be a little more reasonable please.

Why are you so adamantly defending MoW? After trying to destroy Mista's progaming career you've got a change of heart and now you defend the downtrodden of E-sports? Big change of heart bro. MoW has had multiple instances of drama and chances to rectify its position but they can't seem to pull it together as a professional organization. In fact, I'm pretty sure there is no organization, just one guy renting out rooms as it seems MoW doesn't offer much beyond that. If just once they could have released a statement that wasn't riddled with grammatical errors I'd go back on everything I said. But no, proofreading your own writing is too much to expect from a professional business. If you actually care about "Esports" youd want to see scams like this shutdown.



Lol I still believe Mista was hacking, although that's irrelevant here, the point is that I only go after actual problems. In almost every drama thread I've pretty much railed against the drama queens, which is abundantly clear in my post history. You've still cited nothing more than a cook and cleaner not getting paid, desrow not liking his food, and them using a non-native English speaker to write press releases. That amounts to a "scam" in your eyes? There are reputable players who are satisfied, improving, and not moving out. You're being overdramatic.

Do you realize how amateurish MoW looks in comparison to even your run-of-the-mill small, independently owned business? MoW is a sure-fire way to turn any level-headed investors away from the SC2 scene. If they can't take care of these problems with a 1,000,000 dollar grant then there's nothing else to conclude except they are a scam.

If you want SC2 to keep falling farther behind other esports titles, just keep supporting these guys tbh.
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
December 30 2012 21:41 GMT
#187
On December 30 2012 21:26 NVRLand wrote:
MoW just can't seem to win (ironically). Whatever they do, the community is just hating on them...

As long as players are there, it can't be that awful, right? Why would players as Wilko and MorroW stay there if it was a bunch of idiots running the place?

They have probably fucked up once or twice but a lot is just "WE WANTZ MOAR DRAMA" from the community and trying to blow things out of proportion. Refusing to read their explanation just because you don't want to generate page views is one of the most stupid things I've heard..

This is all just my opinion tho :D

The problem is they have a bad reputation.
Once you have that you better do everything perfect since people will be very critical off you.
Blaming someone else for part of the issues is not a good idea since guess what, people simply don't trust you anymore.
Apollo_Shards
Profile Joined February 2011
1210 Posts
December 30 2012 21:41 GMT
#188
On December 31 2012 06:17 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2012 05:56 SupLilSon wrote:
On December 31 2012 04:13 Doodsmack wrote:
On December 31 2012 02:38 Aulox wrote:
I think it's about time we all just let them burn. I mean, there's no reason why we should trust them.



Your signature "esports FTW" is actually hilarious given your post. You advocate the mob getting involved in esports business's affairs and declaring judgment based on forum posts. A gaming house where players are satisfied and not moving out deserved to be banished from the community. For heaven's sake, a cook and cleaner didn't get paid and desrow didn't like his food! These are unforgivable sins? Not really...be a little more reasonable please.

Why are you so adamantly defending MoW? After trying to destroy Mista's progaming career you've got a change of heart and now you defend the downtrodden of E-sports? Big change of heart bro. MoW has had multiple instances of drama and chances to rectify its position but they can't seem to pull it together as a professional organization. In fact, I'm pretty sure there is no organization, just one guy renting out rooms as it seems MoW doesn't offer much beyond that. If just once they could have released a statement that wasn't riddled with grammatical errors I'd go back on everything I said. But no, proofreading your own writing is too much to expect from a professional business. If you actually care about "Esports" youd want to see scams like this shutdown.



Lol I still believe Mista was hacking, although that's irrelevant here, the point is that I only go after actual problems. In almost every drama thread I've pretty much railed against the drama queens, which is abundantly clear in my post history. You've still cited nothing more than a cook and cleaner not getting paid, desrow not liking his food, and them using a non-native English speaker to write press releases. That amounts to a "scam" in your eyes? There are reputable players who are satisfied, improving, and not moving out. You're being overdramatic.


And you are ignoring our points. "Things can always be worse" and "it isnt such a big deal" is a laughable defense. Also no one cares about your mista opinions.
Jaedong, sOs, avilo, MaSa, Oprah
Ktk
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Korea (South)753 Posts
December 30 2012 21:52 GMT
#189
Hi. I know one of the guys on the thank you list, one of the guys who went to MoW. He left because food was bad. But he is better at SC2 in every way than he was before.
Nonetheless he left early because living conditions were pretty poor, that was before the food thing was dealt with however.
So my friend paid some money to go to a house in Poland with some really cool pro and semi-pro gamers, and got better at SC2. Then he left. I don't get how MoW is understood as a scam organization? It met its client objectives. Employee satisfaction: they're firing people because the clients complain. The crowd complains when the employee satisfaction is low for some reason, then this shit.

I don't see why people are so mad about this; most people who're mad about MoW didn't go, know exactly what it was like, never did anything significant for e-sports anyways, knows what's wrong with mow, just expects top-tier quality in everything e-sports because "it's what it needs" and doesn't provide solutions, explicitly say what's wrong, how to improve, so on. Shit, at least MoW has a Q&A.
Avicularia
Profile Joined February 2012
540 Posts
December 30 2012 21:58 GMT
#190
Reading thread like this makes me really sad. It shows how stupid most of the people are, and how easy is to manipulate with their minds. Someone said some bad words about MoW and now everything they do is wrong, and every single negative opinion of some unknown people must be 100% true... yea right.

MoW you're doing really fine, and I hope all those idiots won't ruin your effort. We need more projects like that.

ps. PDF is more official than simple HTML, so please shut up guys, it's the way to do it.
BabyToss!
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Czech Republic588 Posts
December 30 2012 22:05 GMT
#191
This thread reminds me of typical school bullies gang-banging - when someone is down, they take bloody turns to kick them until their hearts are content and their victim is totally down. And others jump on bandwagon, just to be cool.

Sure, MoW did mistakes, but how many people need to kick and hate the hell out of them, in order to stop this hate parade and perhaps try and post something constructive for a change? Kudos to people like iNcontroL who at least tried to bring something positive and constructive to the table. I personally, even though I have my doubts about MoW atm, still hope they can do amazing things for this community once all this drama is all over and the MoW will really work hard on redeeming themselves in the eyes of the community.
Nowadays a Filthy Casual | Follow your dreams |
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
December 30 2012 22:13 GMT
#192
Snute said MoW was alright and a thing that should be supported. That is good enough for me.
JazzNL
Profile Joined March 2012
182 Posts
December 30 2012 22:18 GMT
#193
MoW stands for scamming. How many chances have they had now without improving at all?
E.L.V.I.S
Profile Joined April 2011
Belgium458 Posts
December 30 2012 22:26 GMT
#194
I dont understand whats wrong with a PDF file I mean ... why would the media matter this much ... if it was a video it would have been ok too for me..
http://twitch.tv/maggrig | @SC2ELVIS | http://www.facebook.com/sc2ELVIS
MetalPanda
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1152 Posts
December 30 2012 22:57 GMT
#195
PDF doesn't explain everything, and doesn't address too much, but I can see their PoV and I can put some trust in what they said. They've been unprofessional in the past and are probably still a bit, so I'll be vigilant.
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
December 30 2012 23:18 GMT
#196
On December 31 2012 07:05 BabyToss! wrote:
This thread reminds me of typical school bullies gang-banging - when someone is down, they take bloody turns to kick them until their hearts are content and their victim is totally down. And others jump on bandwagon, just to be cool.

Come on, that comparison is flat out wrong. People didn't start disliking for no reason you know.
MoW had a lot of bad press, next thing you gonne say that the people getting bullied on school asked for it somehow.
BabyToss!
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Czech Republic588 Posts
December 30 2012 23:22 GMT
#197
On December 31 2012 08:18 Assirra wrote:
Come on, that comparison is flat out wrong. People didn't start disliking for no reason you know.
MoW had a lot of bad press, next thing you gonne say that the people getting bullied on school asked for it somehow.

Well, it's simply wrong to continue kicking someone who's already been kicked so many times and is down as it is. Call me stupid/naive, but I always preferred to help people up, rather than to kick them more.
Nowadays a Filthy Casual | Follow your dreams |
MangoMountain
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2044 Posts
December 30 2012 23:26 GMT
#198
On December 31 2012 08:22 BabyToss! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2012 08:18 Assirra wrote:
Come on, that comparison is flat out wrong. People didn't start disliking for no reason you know.
MoW had a lot of bad press, next thing you gonne say that the people getting bullied on school asked for it somehow.

Well, it's simply wrong to continue kicking someone who's already been kicked so many times and is down as it is. Call me stupid/naive, but I always preferred to help people up, rather than to kick them more.

And this mentality is why nobody takes esports seriously
BabyToss!
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Czech Republic588 Posts
December 30 2012 23:30 GMT
#199
On December 31 2012 08:26 MangoMountain wrote:
And this mentality is why nobody takes esports seriously

Yeah, sure, let's hate the hell out of those, who make mistakes, rather than to come up with something constructive ourselves. Seems legit to me. That'll help eSports soooo much. ^_^
Nowadays a Filthy Casual | Follow your dreams |
VoirDire
Profile Joined February 2009
Sweden1923 Posts
December 30 2012 23:38 GMT
#200
Here is the PDF:

Warsaw, Poland – December 29, 2012 – In response to latest allegations regarding Ministry of Win,
we declare as follows:

For some reason, on multiple forums (mainly TeamLiquid.net) an information appeared stating that
we have not paid Oliv (Artist) and her parents, who were responsible for cooking and cleaning the
house. We want to say that Oliv has received her salary, however, the "situation" with Oliv's parents is
more complicated, as it revolves around their incompetence, which led to their contract being
terminated. We took such steps after numerous discussions we had with them regarding the quality
of their work. We tried to implement some changes, but they rejected them, which led to
community's negative opinion on Ministry of Win’s food situation. After we changed MoW's house
staff everything seems to be working just fine and players haven't complained about the food quality
since then.
Regarding Kevin Vandini, known as Illu - he has not meet any requirements, which he agreed upon
when he came to Poland. He failed to recruit players during his two month period as our Recruitment
Manager. Notwithstanding, Kevin did an amazing job during Battle at Ministry of Win: get outPlayed,
for which he will get paid. Unfortunately, we have a delay with paying out the salaries for which we
are very sorry. We promise that it will not happen in the future.
Regarding this statement:
"Yeah, this is a very good point, when you're there he treats you kinda like an employee with some of
the things he does, it's extremely annoying, one example is he made it mandatory to be awake for
breakfast, which is fair enough however some players prefer playing later than others or had to stay
awake late to play qualifiers and tournaments and such, after a few people woke up late and skipped
breakfast (It was horrible anyway) he tried to start a new rule that he's locking the gaming room at
11pm or something like that so we were forced to go to sleep, he did this by putting up signs on the
doors rather than just telling us.
OH! also he sometimes would make you miss the only hot meal of the day if you woke up late as
punishment, these are just a few examples of the type of person the "boss" is."

Some of this happened. A great example of dedicated player following the training schedule is Snute.
He was one of the most hard-working players in our facility, who after leaving the house began
winning events. We are very happy for Snute and we are glad that we could help him out even a little
bit. We also never punished anyone for waking up too late; it is a lie. What we had was a meal
schedule, which was also a part of their contract and their training schedule that they received upon
arriving to the house.
Seven months have passed since May 21st. Despite initial problems I personally feel that we did fine.
Our house existed not only because of our hard-working staff, but also thanks to you guys, the
community, which we appreciate and thank for the comments. During the last few months there
were a lot of bad, hurting words said about the Ministry of Win and someone has to take the
responsibility for all those misunderstandings and it will be us. On the other hand, we would like you
to draw conclusions as well. Not everything bad that was said about our project was true; think about
it in the future. We were hurt by many of your opinions simply because we spent many months
working on this project, and we did all of this for the gamers, but that does not matter as we did all of
this, because we love eSports. The numbers are not the most important part of it, but take a quick
look on that:
- 25 players from all around the world visited MoW with one goal in mind - to get better
- We had 15 different people working at the Ministry of Win
- MoW exists for over 7 months now. In that time we were visited by the world class Starcraft II
players
- Together with outPlayed we hosted a tournament - Battle at Ministry of Win: get outPlayed with a
prize pool of $5,000 and around 5000 concurrent viewers
- Our website had 109,515 unique visitors, 29,06% of whom were from Poland. The USA got the
second place with 19,92%, and last but not least Germany with 7,48%

We try to provide the best possible environment for players to train and practice. During the first few
months we managed to do that and most of the gamers who left our house were happy and satisfied.
We have learned a lot, from mistakes, from players, from running the business like this one and we
are going to take the essence of everything that was the best over here and use all of that in the
nearest future, with new and redefined Ministry of Win. What is going to happen? We will keep you
updated.

The website is going to be back online, however, there is no ETA yet. We have lost all the files from
the FTP Server and we are trying to retrieve them from the hosting provider.

For now we can only say that we know that there are no possible mistakes in the future again. To
those that put a lot of trust in us – thank you. For those that do not believe in us anymore – we will
try even harder to impress you.

And the last thing: Breathe, Fuzer, Snute, Cytoplasm, Targa, LiveZerg, TitaN, Ret, Nimitz, KarmY,
Noticimus, Sovlet, Kamacho, CryptiC, Wilko, Hispid, desRow, MorroW, SonG, Resq, UkraineStar,
Evaner, Sage, Fraer, SjoW, Destiny and the community - thank you!
There would be no Ministry of Win without you.
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