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On December 30 2012 21:26 NVRLand wrote:
MoW just can't seem to win (ironically). Whatever they do, the community is just hating on them...
As long as players are there, it can't be that awful, right? Why would players as Wilko and MorroW stay there if it was a bunch of idiots running the place?
They have probably fucked up once or twice but a lot is just "WE WANTZ MOAR DRAMA" from the community and trying to blow things out of proportion. Refusing to read their explanation just because you don't want to generate page views is one of the most stupid things I've heard..
This is all just my opinion tho :D
They're scamming their former employees. It doesn't really matter if it's a dream-come-true for the people there (which it obviously isn't with all the complaints and the Fuzer-scam-attempt), when your business-model is built on fraud, you deserve all the hate in the world.
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On December 31 2012 07:13 revel8 wrote:
Snute said MoW was alright and a thing that should be supported. That is good enough for me.
While I appreciate that you value my integrity I would also like to point out that I left the house eventually and that I don't know anything about how it was run when I was not there. So I don't really want to be brought in as an example or source when all of these discussions/drama things pop up  I think it's worth listening to those that are staying there when it comes to the present situation(s). Wilko if you are reading this go practice lol. (and drink green tea)
I would also like to point out that the reason I was able to profit from the house is because I'm a hard working individual, I was surprised to see that there were problems with the food and the past "family" as they imo did a good job when it came to cleaning and food. I enjoyed the meals and couldn't finish my plate, clothes cleaned twice a week and put up with clothes hanger nice n tidy. So chill. But things change, I wasn't there, I don't know.
Good luck, do your best everyone.
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Hmm. It may have sounded flippant, but I actually was serious about impressions on Microsoft Word 2013 Preview (from a business standpoint) from MoW.
And I still think that the press release (in PDF form, no issue - lots of Press Releases are done that way, makes it easier to email them to media outlets. Not sure if I'd use TL forums and "media outlet" in the same sentence though. Yes it is, and no it isn't; not in the traditional sense at least) is slightly fluffy - there's a lot of previous accomplishments, some explanation but no real firm statement or rebuttal beyond potential lack of deliverables from contractors. It's got some information, but I think you could've done more at the end to clearly state an intent of how to resolve conflicts with your previous contractors (while avoiding legal pitfalls) as well as what concrete steps you plan to take in the future to ensure that these issues are dealt with and prevented from reoccurring. (Or possibly a process to address complaints quickly and decisively.)
I think your concept is sound, but you seem to need better support and administration. (The FTP thing seriously makes me wonder - I've seen that happen in a small entertainment business (outside of eSports) and it was largely due to a lack of proper business management in the owner.) You may have business skills yourself, but you really need to put together a professional staff to address the things that no one man can handle alone.
+ Show Spoiler + Okay, maybe 2GD can handle it, but he's an anomaly. And I think he's got help, too.
In any case, interested to see what the future brings.
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On December 30 2012 08:02 ReignSupreme. wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2012 07:14 SupLilSon wrote:On December 30 2012 05:58 Tobblish wrote:On December 30 2012 05:47 OhThatDang wrote:On December 30 2012 05:34 papalion wrote:On December 30 2012 05:15 SonKiE wrote:
Why would you ever consider going to a pro GAMING house in POLAND? or even in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA? cause those are team houses You mean frat houses? @topic Weird to make a topic about this subject and post a link to a PDF. Sure some of the big boys do that but when you try to act like them it comes out like the taco you ate last night. Some people have been hurt and goes on a tantrum, community explodes because OFC THEY KNEW a pro gaming house in Poland couldn't actually work! Oh wait it did. With better results than most pro team houses, or frat houses. Don't hate for no reason, it's getting pretty old. Which players from MoW have improved/accomplished anything? To my knowledge Snute was staying at MoW and trained pretty exclusively on the Korean ladder. He's pretty much the only player I've heard from since training at that place. EGTL is winning matches in Pro League, what are the players training at MoW doing? Receding into obscurity for the most part. Again, all the curse and frathouse comments were old a year ago, get some new jokes that are actually relevant. TargA's been getting some results since he stayed there.
TargA was posting results playing with a tethered mobile phone playing to the states from Australia.
Just sayin'
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On December 31 2012 08:22 BabyToss! wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2012 08:18 Assirra wrote:
Come on, that comparison is flat out wrong. People didn't start disliking for no reason you know.
MoW had a lot of bad press, next thing you gonne say that the people getting bullied on school asked for it somehow. Well, it's simply wrong to continue kicking someone who's already been kicked so many times and is down as it is. Call me stupid/naive, but I always preferred to help people up, rather than to kick them more.
Yea, you're naive.
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On December 31 2012 06:41 Apollo_Shards wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2012 06:17 Doodsmack wrote:On December 31 2012 05:56 SupLilSon wrote:On December 31 2012 04:13 Doodsmack wrote:On December 31 2012 02:38 Aulox wrote:
I think it's about time we all just let them burn. I mean, there's no reason why we should trust them. Your signature "esports FTW" is actually hilarious given your post. You advocate the mob getting involved in esports business's affairs and declaring judgment based on forum posts. A gaming house where players are satisfied and not moving out deserved to be banished from the community. For heaven's sake, a cook and cleaner didn't get paid and desrow didn't like his food! These are unforgivable sins? Not really...be a little more reasonable please. Why are you so adamantly defending MoW? After trying to destroy Mista's progaming career you've got a change of heart and now you defend the downtrodden of E-sports? Big change of heart bro. MoW has had multiple instances of drama and chances to rectify its position but they can't seem to pull it together as a professional organization. In fact, I'm pretty sure there is no organization, just one guy renting out rooms as it seems MoW doesn't offer much beyond that. If just once they could have released a statement that wasn't riddled with grammatical errors I'd go back on everything I said. But no, proofreading your own writing is too much to expect from a professional business. If you actually care about "Esports" youd want to see scams like this shutdown. Lol I still believe Mista was hacking, although that's irrelevant here, the point is that I only go after actual problems. In almost every drama thread I've pretty much railed against the drama queens, which is abundantly clear in my post history. You've still cited nothing more than a cook and cleaner not getting paid, desrow not liking his food, and them using a non-native English speaker to write press releases. That amounts to a "scam" in your eyes? There are reputable players who are satisfied, improving, and not moving out. You're being overdramatic. And you are ignoring our points. "Things can always be worse" and "it isnt such a big deal" is a laughable defense. Also no one cares about your mista opinions.
Your points? There are very little specifics offered by the people hating on MoW. Everyone is just referring to them being "shady" and a "scam" without actually saying why. The employees who didn't get paid? It's apparently common in Poland for there to be employment contracts where payment is conditional. Food was bad? We don't know whether that should be blamed on the cook or the boss because we don't have enough information. Still waiting on someone to provide good reasoning as to why MoW should be banished rather than us giving them another chance (not that the community hating them or not has any consequence, considering they got a $1 million grant and they have players who are satisfied lol).
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On December 31 2012 11:50 Apollo_Shards wrote:
Yea, you're naive.
Well, I'll take that over being a douche anytime. Just sayin' 
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What's the point of make a PDF file when it's just pure text?
At least no puppy picture this time
On December 31 2012 12:15 BabyToss! wrote:Well, I'll take that over being a douche anytime. Just sayin'
In real life being naive is a lot more detrimental to own survival than being douchy... but neither is really a high bar to set.
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he idea of a scheduled, training facility that encourages streaming and improving is amazing.
From what came out of that place, this was the only part they seem to have ever managed to 'get'. The general idea that having people pay you to essentially house and train them, isn't a bad idea. Done properly with the proper amount of initial investment MoW could have likely been a win-fall for the house owners and the players.
With that said, at this point the people running the place just seem way way to green (business wise) to make it work. Should they revamp and relaunch, 'possibly' they can get it right in version 2.0, but at the same time based on what I've seen I wouldn't hold my breathe.
TLDR: Great idea, but as far as I can tell the people running this don't have the proper strategy/know how to make it successful. The only way it'll probably ever work is if they were willing or for that matter able to bring other people in to fix / show them how to not make the same errors.
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On December 31 2012 11:58 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2012 06:41 Apollo_Shards wrote:On December 31 2012 06:17 Doodsmack wrote:On December 31 2012 05:56 SupLilSon wrote:On December 31 2012 04:13 Doodsmack wrote:On December 31 2012 02:38 Aulox wrote:
I think it's about time we all just let them burn. I mean, there's no reason why we should trust them. Your signature "esports FTW" is actually hilarious given your post. You advocate the mob getting involved in esports business's affairs and declaring judgment based on forum posts. A gaming house where players are satisfied and not moving out deserved to be banished from the community. For heaven's sake, a cook and cleaner didn't get paid and desrow didn't like his food! These are unforgivable sins? Not really...be a little more reasonable please. Why are you so adamantly defending MoW? After trying to destroy Mista's progaming career you've got a change of heart and now you defend the downtrodden of E-sports? Big change of heart bro. MoW has had multiple instances of drama and chances to rectify its position but they can't seem to pull it together as a professional organization. In fact, I'm pretty sure there is no organization, just one guy renting out rooms as it seems MoW doesn't offer much beyond that. If just once they could have released a statement that wasn't riddled with grammatical errors I'd go back on everything I said. But no, proofreading your own writing is too much to expect from a professional business. If you actually care about "Esports" youd want to see scams like this shutdown. Lol I still believe Mista was hacking, although that's irrelevant here, the point is that I only go after actual problems. In almost every drama thread I've pretty much railed against the drama queens, which is abundantly clear in my post history. You've still cited nothing more than a cook and cleaner not getting paid, desrow not liking his food, and them using a non-native English speaker to write press releases. That amounts to a "scam" in your eyes? There are reputable players who are satisfied, improving, and not moving out. You're being overdramatic. And you are ignoring our points. "Things can always be worse" and "it isnt such a big deal" is a laughable defense. Also no one cares about your mista opinions. Your points? There are very little specifics offered by the people hating on MoW. Everyone is just referring to them being "shady" and a "scam" without actually saying why. The employees who didn't get paid? It's apparently common in Poland for there to be employment contracts where payment is conditional. Food was bad? We don't know whether that should be blamed on the cook or the boss because we don't have enough information. Still waiting on someone to provide good reasoning as to why MoW should be banished rather than us giving them another chance (not that the community hating them or not has any consequence, considering they got a $1 million grant and they have players who are satisfied lol).
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eww just disband already...
we had enough of u guys' bullshit sadly
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On December 30 2012 07:45 Bippzy wrote:
Honestly i am impressed. As far as chess analogies go, mow is disadvantaged according to theory, but they are no means out from the game. They said they didnt pay employees thatdidnt do work(good) and their payment is delayed(esports standard). They denied allegations about the manager being really lame and then refocused on their goal and relative success.
In order to refute this, you have to get the parents to deny their failure to work and get players to go at odds with MOW that they are liars. Otherwise, as long as players are still in the house and mow has such good pr, ill assume the house is decent for its purpose and progamers gossip so im sure its nottoo bad.
What does this mean?
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On December 31 2012 09:18 Snute wrote:I think it's worth listening to those that are staying there when it comes to the present situation(s). Wilko if you are reading this go practice lol. (and drink green tea) I would also like to point out that the reason I was able to profit from the house is because I'm a hard working individual, I was surprised to see that there were problems with the food and the past "family" as they imo did a good job when it came to cleaning and food. I enjoyed the meals and couldn't finish my plate, clothes cleaned twice a week and put up with clothes hanger nice n tidy. So chill. But things change, I wasn't there, I don't know. Good luck, do your best everyone.
I let myself get affected by this stuff too much i guess
But i'm practicing a lot and i try to live more healthy, which helps me being able to practice even more ^^
I hope i will be able to catch up eventually and we will meet on some HotS Event again 
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