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On December 30 2012 14:29 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2012 05:38 True_Spike wrote:
I do hope that they will finally invest in proper staff (people who are actually qualified for the job rather than just being friends with whoever is running the project). If a manager hires someone because they're friends and the friend isn't qualified for the job, then why would the manager be qualified for their job? I just don't see how anyone can expect them to do a better job the next time without massive, internal retooling. The smoke is just what's visible from the outside, the fire on the inside is the problem.
Hiring a cook and a cleaner isn't some big thing where you've failed as a boss if you didn't hire people who were good. The question is whether the "smoke" you speak of is actually a big deal, or if it's just exaggerated drama. A cook and cleaner didn't get paid and desrow didn't like the food. The core of the project is the players who are satisfied, improving, and not moving out. There's a reason they're not moving out.
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On December 30 2012 14:39 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2012 14:29 Jibba wrote:On December 30 2012 05:38 True_Spike wrote:
I do hope that they will finally invest in proper staff (people who are actually qualified for the job rather than just being friends with whoever is running the project). If a manager hires someone because they're friends and the friend isn't qualified for the job, then why would the manager be qualified for their job? I just don't see how anyone can expect them to do a better job the next time without massive, internal retooling. The smoke is just what's visible from the outside, the fire on the inside is the problem. Hiring a cook and a cleaner isn't some big thing where you've failed as a boss if you didn't hire people who were good. The question is whether the "smoke" you speak of is actually a big deal, or if it's just exaggerated drama. A cook and cleaner didn't get paid and desrow didn't like the food. The core of the project is the players who are satisfied, improving, and not moving out. There's a reason they're not moving out.
No, the core of a company is the boss and management. The players are customers, and they've reported several dissatisfactions with that group (even the ones who are satisfied.) The product is still decent and the customers are satisfied for now but that's in part because MoW is alone in the market, and that doesn't mean the business can keep it up. If it turns out that this sort of thing is actually profitable, then someone else will do it and MoW will be left in the dust.
Maybe the boss actually does "get it" and they'll be able to turn the image and mistakes around, but it just seems unlikely unless you choose to have blind faith for the sake of ESPORTS, which a lot of people do tbh. I mean seriously, they don't have a website right now.
We have lost all files from the FTP server and we are trying to retrieve them from the hosting provider. does not sound like a place with its ducks in a row.
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On December 30 2012 14:44 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2012 14:39 Doodsmack wrote:On December 30 2012 14:29 Jibba wrote:On December 30 2012 05:38 True_Spike wrote:
I do hope that they will finally invest in proper staff (people who are actually qualified for the job rather than just being friends with whoever is running the project). If a manager hires someone because they're friends and the friend isn't qualified for the job, then why would the manager be qualified for their job? I just don't see how anyone can expect them to do a better job the next time without massive, internal retooling. The smoke is just what's visible from the outside, the fire on the inside is the problem. Hiring a cook and a cleaner isn't some big thing where you've failed as a boss if you didn't hire people who were good. The question is whether the "smoke" you speak of is actually a big deal, or if it's just exaggerated drama. A cook and cleaner didn't get paid and desrow didn't like the food. The core of the project is the players who are satisfied, improving, and not moving out. There's a reason they're not moving out. No, the core of a company is the boss and management. The players are customers, and they've reported several dissatisfactions with that group (even the ones who are satisfied.) The product is still decent and the customers are satisfied for now but that's in part because MoW is alone in the market, and that doesn't mean the business can keep it up. If it turns out that this sort of thing is actually profitable, then someone else will do it and MoW will be left in the dust. Maybe the boss actually does "get it" and they'll be able to turn the image and mistakes around, but it just seems unlikely unless you choose to have blind faith for the sake of ESPORTS, which a lot of people do tbh. I mean seriously, they don't have a website right now.
My point was that the main focal point of the project is the players, and the relative success there pretty much makes the cook and cleaner and food minor issues. The mistakes are not so significant that we can conclude at this point the boss is bound to fail. Also, considering MoW just got a $1 million grant I don't see any competitor surpassing them for the foreseeable future. Even without the grant, it's not clear that a new project would necessarily be more appealing to players, again because the mistakes so far are not irreparable.
I'm also not sure how we can conclude that the website issue was within their control.
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On December 30 2012 15:01 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2012 14:44 Jibba wrote:On December 30 2012 14:39 Doodsmack wrote:On December 30 2012 14:29 Jibba wrote:On December 30 2012 05:38 True_Spike wrote:
I do hope that they will finally invest in proper staff (people who are actually qualified for the job rather than just being friends with whoever is running the project). If a manager hires someone because they're friends and the friend isn't qualified for the job, then why would the manager be qualified for their job? I just don't see how anyone can expect them to do a better job the next time without massive, internal retooling. The smoke is just what's visible from the outside, the fire on the inside is the problem. Hiring a cook and a cleaner isn't some big thing where you've failed as a boss if you didn't hire people who were good. The question is whether the "smoke" you speak of is actually a big deal, or if it's just exaggerated drama. A cook and cleaner didn't get paid and desrow didn't like the food. The core of the project is the players who are satisfied, improving, and not moving out. There's a reason they're not moving out. No, the core of a company is the boss and management. The players are customers, and they've reported several dissatisfactions with that group (even the ones who are satisfied.) The product is still decent and the customers are satisfied for now but that's in part because MoW is alone in the market, and that doesn't mean the business can keep it up. If it turns out that this sort of thing is actually profitable, then someone else will do it and MoW will be left in the dust. Maybe the boss actually does "get it" and they'll be able to turn the image and mistakes around, but it just seems unlikely unless you choose to have blind faith for the sake of ESPORTS, which a lot of people do tbh. I mean seriously, they don't have a website right now. My point was that the main focal point of the project is the players, and the relative success there pretty much makes the cook and cleaner and food minor issues. The mistakes are not so significant that we can conclude at this point the boss is bound to fail. Also, considering MoW just got a $1 million grant I don't see any competitor surpassing them for the foreseeable future. Even without the grant, it's not clear that a new project would necessarily be more appealing to players, again because the mistakes so far are not irreparable. I'm also not sure how we can conclude that the website issue was within their control.
One player who may or may not have received benefit from the house does not excuse the many, many mistakes they have made. It's very easy for you to say that "food and cleaning" are "minor" issues because I bet you get to eat more than once a day and have a semi-clean living space. The "it isn't so bad" is such a silly argument. You could say that about war torn African countries, or anything really, because things could always potentially be worse. And "it might not be their fault" is equally silly because that would have to add up to a lot of unfortunate incidents being decided by luck. Perhaps if you lived there you might realize that for how much you were paying, things could be a lot, lot better.
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On December 30 2012 15:01 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2012 14:44 Jibba wrote:On December 30 2012 14:39 Doodsmack wrote:On December 30 2012 14:29 Jibba wrote:On December 30 2012 05:38 True_Spike wrote:
I do hope that they will finally invest in proper staff (people who are actually qualified for the job rather than just being friends with whoever is running the project). If a manager hires someone because they're friends and the friend isn't qualified for the job, then why would the manager be qualified for their job? I just don't see how anyone can expect them to do a better job the next time without massive, internal retooling. The smoke is just what's visible from the outside, the fire on the inside is the problem. Hiring a cook and a cleaner isn't some big thing where you've failed as a boss if you didn't hire people who were good. The question is whether the "smoke" you speak of is actually a big deal, or if it's just exaggerated drama. A cook and cleaner didn't get paid and desrow didn't like the food. The core of the project is the players who are satisfied, improving, and not moving out. There's a reason they're not moving out. No, the core of a company is the boss and management. The players are customers, and they've reported several dissatisfactions with that group (even the ones who are satisfied.) The product is still decent and the customers are satisfied for now but that's in part because MoW is alone in the market, and that doesn't mean the business can keep it up. If it turns out that this sort of thing is actually profitable, then someone else will do it and MoW will be left in the dust. Maybe the boss actually does "get it" and they'll be able to turn the image and mistakes around, but it just seems unlikely unless you choose to have blind faith for the sake of ESPORTS, which a lot of people do tbh. I mean seriously, they don't have a website right now. My point was that the main focal point of the project is the players, and the relative success there pretty much makes the cook and cleaner and food minor issues. The mistakes are not so significant that we can conclude at this point the boss is bound to fail. Also, considering MoW just got a $1 million grant I don't see any competitor surpassing them for the foreseeable future. Even without the grant, it's not clear that a new project would necessarily be more appealing to players, again because the mistakes so far are not irreparable. I'm also not sure how we can conclude that the website issue was within their control.
How are the cook, cleaner and food minor issues if the players are the main focus point of the project? Looks more like "MoW Boss'" pockets are the main focus tbh... With a 1 million dollar grant you'd think they'd be able to take care of these "minor issues" as you call them.
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As far as rumours go, Ministry of Win will cease to exist in its current shape and form. Details are scarce; Supposedly, they are planning to start a gaming-oriented internet TV station and use their real property as a staging ground for tournaments, interviews and such. Kropekkk (the shady esports figure behind MoW) also mentioned "Gamers LIVE" - my guess is that the "training facility" will stay as it is, but with a reality tv element to it. Nothing's set in stone at this point, I guess, but Puls Biznesu did mention "internet TV", "tournaments" and a "reality tv" project in its explanation of what the 4 million grant will actually be used for. One of the requirements for participation in the contest was having a global aspect, meaning the TV in question will probably be targeted at the foreign audiences.
The PB article: http://biznesna5.pb.pl/2906674,49684,pieciu-zwyciezcow-konkursu-biznes-na-5
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MoW could learn a lot from EG...I think they call it management 101? SO many mistakes, so much that needed to be fixed a long time ago, but, you know, "trying"
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Can TL just delete this thread? These shady guys don't deserve any attention.
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I don't know the contracts or how business arrangements work in Poland, but in the Netherlands, if the contract is not fully satisfied, but not broken (say: deliver stuff, but some of it isn't working so it should go back) doesn't mean you just can't pay the person/company. You have to pay him and he has to make sure you get a working product. If not, then you sue him, not before he tries to fix it!
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It seems anything business related in the SC2 scene is just amateur hour x1000.. if you can't keep disagreements internal and resolve them amicably, you've already screwed yourself.
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That part where they're trying to make MoW look good because of Snute is just disgusting.
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I really, really do not like them. This whole press release just makes them feel shady as hell. Learn how to run a business before you do something like this that could hurt peoples careers. Idk IdrA said it all :D
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On December 30 2012 17:48 DidYuhim wrote:
That part where they're trying to make MoW look good because of Snute is just disgusting.
It was not about us, it was about mentality of the players. If someone wants to achieve a lot, he will - if someone comes here just to have decent holidays then noone can change it.
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On December 30 2012 15:47 True_Spike wrote:
Puls Biznesu did mention "internet TV", "tournaments" and a "reality tv" 5
Please this. Jersey Shore for nerds, will be a sure hit.
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Why are there so many audaciously stupid posts in this thread? I get it, a lot of you have been told not to like MoW. That's fine, there are reasons to believe that it's a shady organization. But whining about page views and PDFs? Real?
And the guy laughing at the idea that some of the best players in the world were at MoW... when you're better than 99% of the players in the world, you're one of the best players in the world. MMA wouldn't come to MoW because he doesn't need to improve. But MMA is in the top 1% of the top 1%. Doesn't mean the other 99% of the top aren't at the top. Jesus.
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Christ... Why even state "omg cant have team house in Poland, wowowo"... Just stop it kids. Probably the best idea in a long while. Sad with poor MANAGEMENT thou.
Even if they to try again with this peojectthey will have a hard time gaining peoples trust.
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Sorry, no respect for you MoW guys. Too much shit surrounding you. And remember:
Don't talk the talk if you can't walk the walk.
So unless you start to actually DO things BETTER, every word you speak is hollow.
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It's very simple to run a pro gaming house. In fact, its probably the simplest business known to man.
1. Find someone that can cook. Doesn't even have to be a good cook. Just someone that can cook.
2. Pay for internet and a reasonably large property.
3. Pay bills.
That's really all there is to it. Yes there are some minutiae (marketing and so on) but basically all you're doing is putting on a 24/7 LAN party. If people are really serious about pro gaming they will motivate themselves. After that it's just about scheduling practice sessions.
How can people screw this up?
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