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I wonder if Naniwa got a code A seed. On his stream he said that he was going to Korea soon.
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On December 29 2012 09:19 The_Darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2012 06:12 iamho wrote:
Afirmative action for the white guy. Not that I blame GSL, nowadays it seems like foreigners will only watch other foreigners. Last time they had affirmative action for KESPA players. Were you broken up about that too?
Actually yea, and look what happened. The ones that didn't got a seed worked their way up through the qualifiers and are more likely to stay then seeds.
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On December 29 2012 10:11 Skwid1g wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2012 09:56 decado90 wrote:On December 29 2012 09:19 The_Darkness wrote:On December 29 2012 06:12 iamho wrote:
Afirmative action for the white guy. Not that I blame GSL, nowadays it seems like foreigners will only watch other foreigners. Last time they had affirmative action for KESPA players. Were you broken up about that too? Oh please. They dedicated their lives to SC1, playing 12+ hour days for years. Big difference between seeding the most influential players in esports history and foreigners. Foreigners don't have a chance to qualify. It's not an online qualifier and it's ridiculously expensive to fly to and stay in Korea just to attempt to qualify for the lesser bracket of the two tournaments. If there were no seeds given out we'd basically never see a foreigner in the GSL even if they had the skill to compete. Seeds being given out is both fair and unfair, depending on how you look at it.
You know, this argument would hold if some players like HuK didn't already live there or players like Stephano that got a teamhouse to go to there didn't got seeded.
What exactly is the difference between them and another korean lurking in code B waiting for a chance that could be the next Mvp?
Let them qualify like the rest so they might actually put up a fight for once since we know how most seeds work.
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On December 29 2012 11:12 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2012 10:11 Skwid1g wrote:On December 29 2012 09:56 decado90 wrote:On December 29 2012 09:19 The_Darkness wrote:On December 29 2012 06:12 iamho wrote:
Afirmative action for the white guy. Not that I blame GSL, nowadays it seems like foreigners will only watch other foreigners. Last time they had affirmative action for KESPA players. Were you broken up about that too? Oh please. They dedicated their lives to SC1, playing 12+ hour days for years. Big difference between seeding the most influential players in esports history and foreigners. Foreigners don't have a chance to qualify. It's not an online qualifier and it's ridiculously expensive to fly to and stay in Korea just to attempt to qualify for the lesser bracket of the two tournaments. If there were no seeds given out we'd basically never see a foreigner in the GSL even if they had the skill to compete. Seeds being given out is both fair and unfair, depending on how you look at it. You know, this argument would hold if some players like HuK didn't already live there or players like Stephano that got a teamhouse to go to there didn't got seeded. What exactly is the difference between them and another korean lurking in code B waiting for a chance that could be the next Mvp? Let them qualify like the rest so they might actually put up a fight for once since we know how most seeds work.
why would a professional waste their time on code b and code a when there is virtually no money to be won there.
This type of attitude(and Hyhy thread in the dota 2 section) makes me very disappointed in how immature sc2 community really is. Why is it somehow a fault if a man wants to earn a living.
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On December 29 2012 11:18 1Dhalism wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2012 11:12 Assirra wrote:On December 29 2012 10:11 Skwid1g wrote:On December 29 2012 09:56 decado90 wrote:On December 29 2012 09:19 The_Darkness wrote:On December 29 2012 06:12 iamho wrote:
Afirmative action for the white guy. Not that I blame GSL, nowadays it seems like foreigners will only watch other foreigners. Last time they had affirmative action for KESPA players. Were you broken up about that too? Oh please. They dedicated their lives to SC1, playing 12+ hour days for years. Big difference between seeding the most influential players in esports history and foreigners. Foreigners don't have a chance to qualify. It's not an online qualifier and it's ridiculously expensive to fly to and stay in Korea just to attempt to qualify for the lesser bracket of the two tournaments. If there were no seeds given out we'd basically never see a foreigner in the GSL even if they had the skill to compete. Seeds being given out is both fair and unfair, depending on how you look at it. You know, this argument would hold if some players like HuK didn't already live there or players like Stephano that got a teamhouse to go to there didn't got seeded. What exactly is the difference between them and another korean lurking in code B waiting for a chance that could be the next Mvp? Let them qualify like the rest so they might actually put up a fight for once since we know how most seeds work. why would a professional waste their time on code b and code a when there is virtually no money to be won there. This type of attitude(and Hyhy thread in the dota 2 section) makes me very disappointed in how immature sc2 community really is. Why is it somehow a fault if a man wants to earn a living.
Ok. they don't care about becoming the best player they can be, dedicating their lives to SC2, and competing in the most prestigious league in the world.
Guess what, 100s of B team Koreans do. Seeding foreigners is fucking disgusting.
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On December 29 2012 08:24 mycro wrote:
He probably wants to experience it once in his gaming career. Don't think he'll go far though since the format is not his style, hope I'm wrong though.
I really hope he gets success in the GSL this coming year. iirc, he initially wanted to only play competitively for a year before retiring and moving on to school for a career in medicine. He was supposed to retire last summer iirc, but decided to stay for another year. It seems that a retirement this coming summer is a possibility considering that he has been serious about progaming being an inevitably temporary diversion from school.
I can see Thorzain being in a similar situation as well since he has expressed desires to go back to school after an only temporary stint as being a full-time progamer. These two players have strong pressures to attend school at some point soon, and their progaming careers are thus put on an uneasy timer because of it. Maybe great success can elongate their progaming days by a year or two, but I fear that we may see them return to school this coming year if they fail.
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On December 29 2012 11:20 decado90 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2012 11:18 1Dhalism wrote:On December 29 2012 11:12 Assirra wrote:On December 29 2012 10:11 Skwid1g wrote:On December 29 2012 09:56 decado90 wrote:On December 29 2012 09:19 The_Darkness wrote:On December 29 2012 06:12 iamho wrote:
Afirmative action for the white guy. Not that I blame GSL, nowadays it seems like foreigners will only watch other foreigners. Last time they had affirmative action for KESPA players. Were you broken up about that too? Oh please. They dedicated their lives to SC1, playing 12+ hour days for years. Big difference between seeding the most influential players in esports history and foreigners. Foreigners don't have a chance to qualify. It's not an online qualifier and it's ridiculously expensive to fly to and stay in Korea just to attempt to qualify for the lesser bracket of the two tournaments. If there were no seeds given out we'd basically never see a foreigner in the GSL even if they had the skill to compete. Seeds being given out is both fair and unfair, depending on how you look at it. You know, this argument would hold if some players like HuK didn't already live there or players like Stephano that got a teamhouse to go to there didn't got seeded. What exactly is the difference between them and another korean lurking in code B waiting for a chance that could be the next Mvp? Let them qualify like the rest so they might actually put up a fight for once since we know how most seeds work. why would a professional waste their time on code b and code a when there is virtually no money to be won there. This type of attitude(and Hyhy thread in the dota 2 section) makes me very disappointed in how immature sc2 community really is. Why is it somehow a fault if a man wants to earn a living. Ok. they don't care about becoming the best player they can be, dedicating their lives to SC2, and competing in the most prestigious league in the world. Guess what, 100s of B team Koreans do. Seeding foreigners is fucking disgusting.
Guess what, they have a business to run. They are not a charity. Foreigners bring more foreign spectators.
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On December 29 2012 11:20 decado90 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2012 11:18 1Dhalism wrote:On December 29 2012 11:12 Assirra wrote:On December 29 2012 10:11 Skwid1g wrote:On December 29 2012 09:56 decado90 wrote:On December 29 2012 09:19 The_Darkness wrote:On December 29 2012 06:12 iamho wrote:
Afirmative action for the white guy. Not that I blame GSL, nowadays it seems like foreigners will only watch other foreigners. Last time they had affirmative action for KESPA players. Were you broken up about that too? Oh please. They dedicated their lives to SC1, playing 12+ hour days for years. Big difference between seeding the most influential players in esports history and foreigners. Foreigners don't have a chance to qualify. It's not an online qualifier and it's ridiculously expensive to fly to and stay in Korea just to attempt to qualify for the lesser bracket of the two tournaments. If there were no seeds given out we'd basically never see a foreigner in the GSL even if they had the skill to compete. Seeds being given out is both fair and unfair, depending on how you look at it. You know, this argument would hold if some players like HuK didn't already live there or players like Stephano that got a teamhouse to go to there didn't got seeded. What exactly is the difference between them and another korean lurking in code B waiting for a chance that could be the next Mvp? Let them qualify like the rest so they might actually put up a fight for once since we know how most seeds work. why would a professional waste their time on code b and code a when there is virtually no money to be won there. This type of attitude(and Hyhy thread in the dota 2 section) makes me very disappointed in how immature sc2 community really is. Why is it somehow a fault if a man wants to earn a living. Ok. they don't care about becoming the best player they can be, dedicating their lives to SC2, and competing in the most prestigious league in the world. Guess what, 100s of B team Koreans do. Seeding foreigners is fucking disgusting.
They do care, and thankfully gsl provides them a mean to do so.
What they don't care about is wasting their time on months of pointless tournaments.
When you are older and you have a job(or god forbid don't have a job) you will understand the value of money.
I'm sorry, i know this sounds rude and arrogant, but that's the truth.
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Hooray! I hope he wins everything.
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wow, the "Patchzerg"-term is even more used than "EG-Curse" now ... wtf
To Stephano: Aux armes, citoyens! Bonne Chance ;D
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Of course, stephano is capable, but gsl format isn't his style. I don't think he stands a chance.
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On December 29 2012 11:12 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2012 10:11 Skwid1g wrote:On December 29 2012 09:56 decado90 wrote:On December 29 2012 09:19 The_Darkness wrote:On December 29 2012 06:12 iamho wrote:
Afirmative action for the white guy. Not that I blame GSL, nowadays it seems like foreigners will only watch other foreigners. Last time they had affirmative action for KESPA players. Were you broken up about that too? Oh please. They dedicated their lives to SC1, playing 12+ hour days for years. Big difference between seeding the most influential players in esports history and foreigners. Foreigners don't have a chance to qualify. It's not an online qualifier and it's ridiculously expensive to fly to and stay in Korea just to attempt to qualify for the lesser bracket of the two tournaments. If there were no seeds given out we'd basically never see a foreigner in the GSL even if they had the skill to compete. Seeds being given out is both fair and unfair, depending on how you look at it. You know, this argument would hold if some players like HuK didn't already live there or players like Stephano that got a teamhouse to go to there didn't got seeded. What exactly is the difference between them and another korean lurking in code B waiting for a chance that could be the next Mvp? Let them qualify like the rest so they might actually put up a fight for once since we know how most seeds work.
Just because he has a team house over there doesn't mean that he can just drop everything to go over there and train for a month, then attempt code a qualifiers, then play through code a, and FINALLY play in code s if he manages those minefields. He could probably earn 10x more going abroad and winning whiteman events in that timeframe. Seeds entice top players that would otherwise not even bother.
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On December 29 2012 11:32 1Dhalism wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2012 11:20 decado90 wrote:On December 29 2012 11:18 1Dhalism wrote:On December 29 2012 11:12 Assirra wrote:On December 29 2012 10:11 Skwid1g wrote:On December 29 2012 09:56 decado90 wrote:On December 29 2012 09:19 The_Darkness wrote:On December 29 2012 06:12 iamho wrote:
Afirmative action for the white guy. Not that I blame GSL, nowadays it seems like foreigners will only watch other foreigners. Last time they had affirmative action for KESPA players. Were you broken up about that too? Oh please. They dedicated their lives to SC1, playing 12+ hour days for years. Big difference between seeding the most influential players in esports history and foreigners. Foreigners don't have a chance to qualify. It's not an online qualifier and it's ridiculously expensive to fly to and stay in Korea just to attempt to qualify for the lesser bracket of the two tournaments. If there were no seeds given out we'd basically never see a foreigner in the GSL even if they had the skill to compete. Seeds being given out is both fair and unfair, depending on how you look at it. You know, this argument would hold if some players like HuK didn't already live there or players like Stephano that got a teamhouse to go to there didn't got seeded. What exactly is the difference between them and another korean lurking in code B waiting for a chance that could be the next Mvp? Let them qualify like the rest so they might actually put up a fight for once since we know how most seeds work. why would a professional waste their time on code b and code a when there is virtually no money to be won there. This type of attitude(and Hyhy thread in the dota 2 section) makes me very disappointed in how immature sc2 community really is. Why is it somehow a fault if a man wants to earn a living. Ok. they don't care about becoming the best player they can be, dedicating their lives to SC2, and competing in the most prestigious league in the world. Guess what, 100s of B team Koreans do. Seeding foreigners is fucking disgusting. They do care, and thankfully gsl provides them a mean to do so. What they don't care about is wasting their time on months of pointless tournaments. When you are older and you have a job(or god forbid don't have a job) you will understand the value of money. I'm sorry, i know this sounds rude and arrogant, but that's the truth.
Again, what is the difference between them and koreans who are in the same situation?
And please, don't try to act grown-up with the money talk nonsense, that has nothing to do since we are comparing foreigners with koreans.
Do koreans think less about money? Do they need to worry less about it? If both of those questions are no your money argument falls flat on its face.
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What's with the hate? Wow really excited and hope he does well. GL and HF =)
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On December 29 2012 12:00 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2012 11:12 Assirra wrote:On December 29 2012 10:11 Skwid1g wrote:On December 29 2012 09:56 decado90 wrote:On December 29 2012 09:19 The_Darkness wrote:On December 29 2012 06:12 iamho wrote:
Afirmative action for the white guy. Not that I blame GSL, nowadays it seems like foreigners will only watch other foreigners. Last time they had affirmative action for KESPA players. Were you broken up about that too? Oh please. They dedicated their lives to SC1, playing 12+ hour days for years. Big difference between seeding the most influential players in esports history and foreigners. Foreigners don't have a chance to qualify. It's not an online qualifier and it's ridiculously expensive to fly to and stay in Korea just to attempt to qualify for the lesser bracket of the two tournaments. If there were no seeds given out we'd basically never see a foreigner in the GSL even if they had the skill to compete. Seeds being given out is both fair and unfair, depending on how you look at it. You know, this argument would hold if some players like HuK didn't already live there or players like Stephano that got a teamhouse to go to there didn't got seeded. What exactly is the difference between them and another korean lurking in code B waiting for a chance that could be the next Mvp? Let them qualify like the rest so they might actually put up a fight for once since we know how most seeds work. Just because he has a team house over there doesn't mean that he can just drop everything to go over there and train for a month, then attempt code a qualifiers, then play through code a, and FINALLY play in code s if he manages those minefields. He could probably earn 10x more going abroad and winning whiteman events in that timeframe. Seeds entice top players that would otherwise not even bother.
He could and i have no doubt EG and sponsors would gladly pay him considering what an advertising move that would be.
If he wants to make more money then going through the qualifiers that his choice. But with choice comes consequences and now he gets best of both world that some people like me disagree with.
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On December 29 2012 12:17 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2012 12:00 Dosey wrote:On December 29 2012 11:12 Assirra wrote:On December 29 2012 10:11 Skwid1g wrote:On December 29 2012 09:56 decado90 wrote:On December 29 2012 09:19 The_Darkness wrote:On December 29 2012 06:12 iamho wrote:
Afirmative action for the white guy. Not that I blame GSL, nowadays it seems like foreigners will only watch other foreigners. Last time they had affirmative action for KESPA players. Were you broken up about that too? Oh please. They dedicated their lives to SC1, playing 12+ hour days for years. Big difference between seeding the most influential players in esports history and foreigners. Foreigners don't have a chance to qualify. It's not an online qualifier and it's ridiculously expensive to fly to and stay in Korea just to attempt to qualify for the lesser bracket of the two tournaments. If there were no seeds given out we'd basically never see a foreigner in the GSL even if they had the skill to compete. Seeds being given out is both fair and unfair, depending on how you look at it. You know, this argument would hold if some players like HuK didn't already live there or players like Stephano that got a teamhouse to go to there didn't got seeded. What exactly is the difference between them and another korean lurking in code B waiting for a chance that could be the next Mvp? Let them qualify like the rest so they might actually put up a fight for once since we know how most seeds work. Just because he has a team house over there doesn't mean that he can just drop everything to go over there and train for a month, then attempt code a qualifiers, then play through code a, and FINALLY play in code s if he manages those minefields. He could probably earn 10x more going abroad and winning whiteman events in that timeframe. Seeds entice top players that would otherwise not even bother. He could and i have no doubt EG and sponsors would gladly pay him considering what an advertising move that would be. If he wants to make more money then going through the qualifiers that his choice. But with choice comes consequences and now he gets best of both world that some people like me disagree with.
I don't think you understand how sponsors work... That would be a terrible pitch.
"HEY RAIDCALL, I HAVE A GENIUS IDEA!!! We're going to send Stephano to korea to train/play for 3 months to qualify for Code S! He's our most consistent foreign tournament player, but who cares about foreign stuff, even though you're a foreign based company! Pay for this dude to stay here for 3 months and POSSIBLY make it to the big stage of Code S while ignoring all foreign tournaments and getting your brand virtually no recognition! It's a sweet plan!"
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while i'm really eager to see stephano in code S, i don't see him dominating.
code S has a much higher focus on preparation than other tournaments and what stephano really excels at is just winging stuff on the fly.
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Alright, great, but I'm still majorly pissed off that he's apparently not even going to play in SPL. I know it's not like I had a shot at winning, but my esports pride was at stake  choosing him as captain (LOL -_-) along with a lot of other stupid things just destroyed my FPL team...
GL to Stephano. Not sure whether he'll go deep, but I think he should be able to give a good showing.
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Hell yes. First foreigner Royal Roader?
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