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mycro
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1579 Posts
December 28 2012 23:24 GMT
#421
He probably wants to experience it once in his gaming career. Don't think he'll go far though since the format is not his style, hope I'm wrong though.
mhael
Profile Joined January 2012
United States102 Posts
December 28 2012 23:26 GMT
#422
imagine CODE S this year... MVP, Stephano, Life, Flash, Jaedong, Fantasy.... would be so awesome!!!
meltedigloo
Profile Joined July 2011
6 Posts
December 28 2012 23:28 GMT
#423
most probably woo

(most probably)
Bakku
Profile Joined January 2012
United States9 Posts
December 28 2012 23:49 GMT
#424
I can't wait for this it's going to be so epic. "NERD CHILLS"
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doffe
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden636 Posts
December 29 2012 00:00 GMT
#425
On December 29 2012 06:18 Sub40APM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2012 05:48 decado90 wrote:
On December 29 2012 05:41 jdobrev wrote:
On December 29 2012 05:38 Wingblade wrote:
Prediction: just to troll both haters who think hell flop in ro32, and fanboys who say he wins it all, Stephano finishes 2nd in both group stages then loses pretty handily in ro8. Just enough to say he is Code S caliber, but not enough to go crazy about how great, or how overrated he might be.

This would be a great achievement considering how hard next Code S is going to be.



Yep, hardest Code S in the history of the league, and it keeps getting harder each subsequent season, but Gom decides to ruin it with a welfare foreign seeds.

I guess none of the ESF and Kespa players training 12+ hours a day and fighting through the qualifiers deserve the spot. Apparently sifting through gutter at foreign tournaments makes you more deserving than making it through the hardest qualifiers on the planet that no foreigner has EVER made it through.

Hopefully all foreigners are knocked to Code B next season, and this farce can be over once and for all.

I dunno, the Kespa and ESF players know that thanks to their training they easily get a top 8 finish at every major white tournament, so that is a huge financial reward. If that means giving white people hope that they can compete in GSL then that seems like a small price to pay. Especially when they dont even have to give the best white guy the seat, just the most popular at the moment. (Remember when Idra got a Code S seat and lost every game in both Code S and A? Did anyone care? No, because they pulled in an extra 5-7k viewers)



Idd, GOM is a business and I honestly think they gain alot of viewers by seeding non Koreans. Its completly understandable. Is it fair? Not really no, hard to argue that it is but hey, its their call and I myself certinly get more exited about watching GSL with some underdog foreigners in it.

And they have seeded KESPA players aswell. Jaedong got a code S seed and atleast one more.


unix04
Profile Joined November 2011
United States89 Posts
December 29 2012 00:16 GMT
#426
foreigners have 1 or 2 seasons to get as far as they can before their play becomes more familiar and figured out. stephano could make a top 4 run or just drop off entirely in his first season, but if he sticks around for more seasons, he will eventually become Code S fodder and a code A competitor that's becoming increasingly stacked with up and coming BW veterans.

and whoever mentioned scarlett, she'll get the viewers, but she's more of a korean pro sniper than someone who can string many consecutive sets against the best of the best. also, her ZvZ against koreans will be her downfall. she'll need some luck going against terran matchups, but given the recent trend, terrans have taken a step back
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The_Darkness
Profile Joined December 2011
United States910 Posts
December 29 2012 00:19 GMT
#427
On December 29 2012 06:12 iamho wrote:
Afirmative action for the white guy. Not that I blame GSL, nowadays it seems like foreigners will only watch other foreigners.


Last time they had affirmative action for KESPA players. Were you broken up about that too?
To be is to be the value of a bound variable.
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-29 00:20:52
December 29 2012 00:19 GMT
#428
On December 29 2012 09:16 unix04 wrote:
foreigners have 1 or 2 seasons to get as far as they can before their play becomes more familiar and figured out. stephano could make a top 4 run or just drop off entirely in his first season, but if he sticks around for more seasons, he will eventually become Code S fodder and a code A competitor that's becoming increasingly stacked with up and coming BW veterans.

and whoever mentioned scarlett, she'll get the viewers, but she's more of a korean pro sniper than someone who can string many consecutive sets against the best of the best. also, her ZvZ against koreans will be her downfall. she'll need some luck going against terran matchups, but given the recent trend, terrans have taken a step back


Scarlett's ZvZ actually very good and can compete (not favored but not embarrassed either) with Koreans. Her ZvP is a much bigger problem though.
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KookyMonster
Profile Joined January 2012
United States311 Posts
December 29 2012 00:23 GMT
#429
Good luck Stephano!
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Kilby
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland1069 Posts
December 29 2012 00:37 GMT
#430
So much pretty incredible and unlikely stuff has been going on in my life lately that Stephano winning code s would be something I really hope that he would be able to do. Or at least I hope he would at least do really really well in code S. That would be awesome. In reality I think he will do really well if he doesn't have a lot of zvz and aside from that he should do well.
decado90
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States480 Posts
December 29 2012 00:56 GMT
#431
On December 29 2012 09:19 The_Darkness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2012 06:12 iamho wrote:
Afirmative action for the white guy. Not that I blame GSL, nowadays it seems like foreigners will only watch other foreigners.


Last time they had affirmative action for KESPA players. Were you broken up about that too?


Oh please. They dedicated their lives to SC1, playing 12+ hour days for years. Big difference between seeding the most influential players in esports history and foreigners.
"Be formless like water"- Bruce Lee
MateShade
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia736 Posts
December 29 2012 00:59 GMT
#432
I love HuK but he doesn't deserve this seed wish they would stop giving such random seeds
AceHigh.
Profile Joined December 2012
Poland64 Posts
December 29 2012 01:00 GMT
#433
I just want him to repeat what he did in round two of the GSL World Championship.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_GSL_World_Championship#Round_2
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Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
December 29 2012 01:10 GMT
#434
On December 29 2012 09:59 MateShade wrote:
I love HuK but he doesn't deserve this seed wish they would stop giving such random seeds

Its not whether he deserves it or not, its about having a white guy there who also lives in Korea. Had Naniwa been a bit more business conscious then he or Thorzaine probably would be the guy getting the white seed.
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
December 29 2012 01:10 GMT
#435
On December 29 2012 09:19 The_Darkness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2012 06:12 iamho wrote:
Afirmative action for the white guy. Not that I blame GSL, nowadays it seems like foreigners will only watch other foreigners.


Last time they had affirmative action for KESPA players. Were you broken up about that too?

I was, as I'm of the opinion (as a fan of the game) to only admit the most deserving players to Code S if you insist on having seeds at all(i'd actually prefer to get rid of the seeds altogether). Ironically, now I think that the Kespa players improved to a point at where they're worthy of seeds, they will hardly get any.
Stephano at his best would have been able to compete in Code S, however his recent form is less than convincing.
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Skwid1g
Profile Joined April 2011
United States953 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-29 01:12:06
December 29 2012 01:11 GMT
#436
On December 29 2012 09:56 decado90 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2012 09:19 The_Darkness wrote:
On December 29 2012 06:12 iamho wrote:
Afirmative action for the white guy. Not that I blame GSL, nowadays it seems like foreigners will only watch other foreigners.


Last time they had affirmative action for KESPA players. Were you broken up about that too?


Oh please. They dedicated their lives to SC1, playing 12+ hour days for years. Big difference between seeding the most influential players in esports history and foreigners.


Foreigners don't have a chance to qualify. It's not an online qualifier and it's ridiculously expensive to fly to and stay in Korea just to attempt to qualify for the lesser bracket of the two tournaments. If there were no seeds given out we'd basically never see a foreigner in the GSL even if they had the skill to compete. Seeds being given out is both fair and unfair, depending on how you look at it.
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
December 29 2012 01:37 GMT
#437
I predict he will get into ro16 but go third in his group there. Hoping to find the happy medium between "he will win" and "he will get stomped"
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Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
December 29 2012 01:40 GMT
#438
at this point i'll only believe it when his name is in the pool.
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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32743 Posts
December 29 2012 01:47 GMT
#439
I don't expect him to survive beyond Ro16, but he will draw in the fans, and probably show him as the best foreigner currently, even if he doesn't succeed.
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Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
December 29 2012 02:02 GMT
#440
On December 29 2012 04:41 thrawn1020 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2012 03:33 Targe wrote:
On December 29 2012 00:34 The_Darkness wrote:
On December 29 2012 00:13 Targe wrote:
I'm looking forward to see how his skill actually shapes up so his fanboys can't keep saying: "If he were to go to GSL he would kill everybody ezpz!"

tbh though GSL isn't really the sort of thing I would have expected from him, I thought he was in it for the money, foreign tournaments would make more sense. It could be that EG are paying him to go to make it worth his while?


I'm pretty sure no one said that and we've of course seen him play a bunch of Code S caliber players over the past year so we know he's on their level (except his zvz is still generally shit). If he can avoid a group with Taeja, Life, Leenock, Hyun or Sniper in it I like his chances to advance. Also when Stephano focuses he's definitely one of the best zergs in the world.


I've seen people saying he would easily win GSL if he went, I'm not saying he can't (although I don't think he would, Ro8 I think would be very impressive from him), I'm saying that it will finally put an end to some of his fan's ridiculous chatter and we can finally place him properly amongst all the other players.



I'm not certain whether Stephano's Liquipedia page is accurate to his results, but let's take a look at them:

Championships:
IPL 3(Quality World Field, 32 person event, 8 qualified online, 8 seeded, 16 qualified on-site) Qualified through online qualifier
ESWC 2011(48 players, played in his home country, two koreans)
NASL Season 3(Quality World Field, played over a long period of time) Qualified unknown
WCS Europe(Regional Tournament, 32 players, all qualifier)

2nd-4th
ESWC 2012 3rd(Regional, home field advantage)
DH Summer 2012 Ro4
DH Assembly Summer 2011 3rd
DH Assembly Winter 2012 2nd
MLG Spring Arena 2 2012 3rd(32 players, mixed invited/qualified)
Homestory Cup VI 4th(32 players, mixed invite/qualified)

Stephano has, with two exceptions(NASL3 and IPL3), not faced and beaten or faced and finished top 4 against quality world fields. Even stranger, His ESWC win in 2011 came right on the heels of his IPL3 win. I would chalk that one up to really tremendous form at a particular point in time in 2011. His NASL run is to be applauded, but the WCS win in Europe is a regional victory. The finishes that are top 4 but not victorious tell a similar tale. Stephano does really well when he is close to home, at tournaments against (mostly) European fields. Even the NASL has significant numbers of Non-Koreans, with 7 out of the top 16 in Season 3 being Non-Korean.

So if he gets the opportunity to go to Korea and participate in Code S, it would be a huge test for him. Even a round of 8 here would be a remarkable achievement, because he does not have many against fields larger than 32 players(I'm aware of the fact that code S is a 32 player event, but when you consider the interaction between Code A and Code S, I feel 64 is more representative of the size of the field for comparison purposes.) I don't know that we can say that Stephano is one of the best Zergs in the world currently, even though for a few months in 2011 he seemed unstoppable. I do know that he is one of the scariest Zerg players who is not a Korean, and that he is endlessly entertaining to watch. He may be tested at his ZvZ matchup, a matchup that for the current moment is really defining who the best zergs in the world are. Life/Sniper/Leenock are in Code S waiting, and I will be watching. Can Stephano dethrone those three Zergs? Is he truly one of the best in the world, and can he defeat a lineup of Koreans who spend all their time playing the Korean ladder instead of traveling to events? It is certain from his results that he cannot be counted out, but I would consider it a shock if he was to make it to a Round of 8.


Exactly, if he makes Ro8 I will be amazed, gratz to him if he does and I will then consider him equal with Code S, Ro16 still wouldn't show his place, many of the Code A/S borderline players can make a Ro16 then get knocked straight back down.
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