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On December 28 2012 17:16 SamirDuran wrote: how does grubby and huk qualified to up & down?
Who cares?
JD vs Flash!!
So hyped for this X). Sad it's happening in GSL before in SPL, but I'll take a LeeSangROK wherever I can get it. JD/Flash nerd chills are unlike any other.
Wow some pretty sick groups, JD Flash and MC in one group, nice.
I guess Grubby and Huk qualified through - being-in-korea-at-the-time-and-thus-highest-ranked-foreigners-in-some-tournaments.Hope Grubby does well though )
Good group for HerO I think, his PvP should be the best in the group, his PvT as well and only one zerg. Gogogo Code S! JD vs Flash is cool but I'd rather see them both in Code S than maybe kespa-teamkill each other
Group A is harsh as far as favorites go. MC, JD, FLash, YongHwa. Will be super exciting to watch and will no doubt have people dissapointed regardless who gets out. Group B doesn't really seem all that bad. Some code S caliber people and some who are really on the brink / ro32 quality. Group C is awful for Grubby. He doesn't like PvZ iirc, and he gets DRG, Symbol and Losira all in one group. Damn .
Group D looks like a harder group B as far as players go. And Group E kind of makes me think that its true that HuK gets lucky with brackets. A single zerg in his group. Whiel a big name in Nestea, he hasn't been in his dominant form as of late although has been looking better. Otherwise a mix of Code A Terran and Protoss looking to furhter prove themselves in Code S.
Overall Thoughts: Pretty happy, looks like we will see Nestea again in Code S (imo). He's showed better games as of late and his group looks okay (as for as Up and Downs go). Shattered about Grubby get put in a rough group. He's not only a foreigner, but an immensely popular one. So Gom could lose out on a heap of viewers, but I wish him the best of luck and will be hoping he gets through. JD vs Flash should be popular among fans, although I'm not expecting a godly game ala MMA vs DRG. And I thought HuK was on a slight break, and was trying to get back into the zone he was when he used to be Code S? Perhaps he has been practicing brutally, I'm not sure about him though.
Don't really get why huk got a seed considering he's done nothing noteworthy as of late and people usually get a seed based on results but eh. Likewise with grubby, although he at least got some good finishes in the last couple of months. We'll see how they'll do.
I cant belive im going to predict this but I think JD and Flash get out of the group. I think JD is honestly going to make it out of the group in first place just because I dont see an unfriendly matchup for him. I think Yonghwa is a darkhorse who I think might be better than MC at the moment but JD gets him on abyssal city so I think he can pull it out there. Yoda is also not to be underestimated as a possible 2nd in the group but again JD has him on WW so I think he can pull that one out as well.
Flash I just think is better than everyone else in that group so he will just get 2nd in the group because he is Flash. Of course if MC suddenly decides to play like best player in world on that day, which he does at random times, than all bets are off for the group.
Group A is pure madness. MC, Jaedong and Flash in the same group ?!!? What the hell ?? The three other players can put up some upsets too. I wouldn't be surprised if YongHwa placed quite high in that group.
Predictions : A - Flash and Jaedong B - Taeja and Squirtle C - Symbol and DRG D - HerO and Bomber E - Fantasy and Finale
Too bad I will be in vacations and won't be able to watch the games
Pretty nice roster I would say, although I do hope the two foreigners will at least get out of their group up & down!
The players I'm rooting for (2 per group) are Flash, YongHwa, Taeja, Squirtle, Grubby, Symbol (and secretly DRG), Bomber, Genius, NesTea and Flying (maybe Huk).
They could actually swap the Up/Downs with Code S and nobody would notice in terms of player quality, that's how good this is. Except for super aces like Parting, Mvp and such.
On December 28 2012 17:16 SamirDuran wrote: how does grubby and huk qualified to up & down?
GSL gives foreign seeds for up and down sometimes.
Sometimes? More like all the time. -_-
You mean that out of the six seasons in which the format has been used GOM has given out 5 up/down seeds in total? Yeah, definatly all the time.
Sounds like all the time to me, considering it shouldn't be done... ever?
Well considering that they announced they would do 2 seeds a season that means they only manage to fill 5 seeds out of the promised 12. That's a pretty bad fill rate honestly.
On December 28 2012 17:42 Fluid wrote: Group A is so obv tampered with. Common GOM stop doing this it's not fair for the players to lose like this.
How so? Just because Flash and JD are in the same group? That is a 1/6 chance. Honestly, U&D is only 1 day so if GOM wanted to rig it, wouldn't it be better if they BOTH made Code S and get more games in that way?
OMG the groups are seriously stacked. Grubby had it rough, Huk might make it with PvP and against Nestea with a 2 bases-timing though I can't see him beating Fantasy and Center.
I'm so happy for Grubby. I think if the infestor nerfs that Dustin Browder's saying will come in january hits before Grubby's group, he'll have a good shot.
Actually, after taking a second look at the groups, almost every group has an MVP player too. Looks like the only teamkills that will be happening during the Up/Down games will be LG-IM, and that's only because they have more players then there are groups. I wonder if avoiding GOM was intentionally trying to avoid team-kills?
NaNiwa would have been a better choice for a seed than HuK, IMO.
However, Code S seeds still haven't been revealed. I feel like NaNiwa might get one, and now would be the perfect time for Stephano to FINALLY accept his.
On December 28 2012 17:30 FakeDeath wrote: Grubby and Huk got like 5% chance of making it out of the group.
Well, people said the same thing about Mana making it through, and he managed to go 2-1 and go through without needing to play his fourth game. Granted the 5 man group made it more possible, but bo1 variability, and the ability to possibly just go 3-2 and make it out in a lot of scenarios, mean that I'd have to put the odds of either of them making it above 5%, maybe not a ton more, but I can see Huk/Grubby going 3-2 against their opponents 10% of the time. Huk due to his nice bracket and ability to just win some days and Grubby due to possibly having a couple pocket strats due to the fact that there is so much data on all of his opponents and him getting lucky picking the right build in a bo1 (well, not as much data on bbyong compared to the others, but still a decent bit).
On December 28 2012 17:48 BoReDWiTHLiFe wrote: Actually, after taking a second look at the groups, almost every group has an MVP player too. Looks like the only teamkills that will be happening during the Up/Down games will be LG-IM, and that's only because they have more players then there are groups. I wonder if avoiding GOM was intentionally trying to avoid team-kills?
I think this is likely. Same with spreading the Kespa players out as well.
Calling it right now Group A: JD, Flash (possibly MC) Group B: TaeJa, Squirtle Groub C: DRG and..... Losira? This one seems more up in the air. Group D: HerO, Bomber Group E: NesTea, FanTaSy And Thus, flash won his first GSL
On December 28 2012 17:52 RPR_Tempest wrote: NaNiwa would have been a better choice for a seed than HuK, IMO.
However, Code S seeds still haven't been revealed. I feel like NaNiwa might get one, and now would be the perfect time for Stephano to FINALLY accept his.
Wait, there's still Code S seeds? -_- I hope Kespa people get them, no foreigner besides Stephano deserves Code S. And we all know he's not gonna do it.
On December 28 2012 17:52 RPR_Tempest wrote: NaNiwa would have been a better choice for a seed than HuK, IMO.
However, Code S seeds still haven't been revealed. I feel like NaNiwa might get one, and now would be the perfect time for Stephano to FINALLY accept his.
Wait, there's still Code S seeds? -_- I hope Kespa people get them, no foreigner besides Stephano deserves Code S. And we all know he's not gonna do it.
On December 28 2012 17:48 BoReDWiTHLiFe wrote: Actually, after taking a second look at the groups, almost every group has an MVP player too. Looks like the only teamkills that will be happening during the Up/Down games will be LG-IM, and that's only because they have more players then there are groups. I wonder if avoiding GOM was intentionally trying to avoid team-kills?
I think this is likely. Same with spreading the Kespa players out as well.
Also the racial spread, Flash v Jaedong, Nestea and Huk getting an easy group (in comparison).
On December 28 2012 17:52 RPR_Tempest wrote: NaNiwa would have been a better choice for a seed than HuK, IMO.
However, Code S seeds still haven't been revealed. I feel like NaNiwa might get one, and now would be the perfect time for Stephano to FINALLY accept his.
Wait, there's still Code S seeds? -_- I hope Kespa people get them, no foreigner besides Stephano deserves Code S. And we all know he's not gonna do it.
Yes, there are 20 players in Code S right now. And 10 spots will be granted in the 5 U&D spots. So there are 2 spots remaining for the seeds.
Honestly, I would not want Kespa players to get them because they all had a shot at it already. Assuming Stephano doesn't take a seed, since these U&Ds are so stacked, maybe another group play with the 5 players that finish 3rd in these groups.
On December 28 2012 17:52 RPR_Tempest wrote: NaNiwa would have been a better choice for a seed than HuK, IMO.
However, Code S seeds still haven't been revealed. I feel like NaNiwa might get one, and now would be the perfect time for Stephano to FINALLY accept his.
Wait, there's still Code S seeds? -_- I hope Kespa people get them, no foreigner besides Stephano deserves Code S. And we all know he's not gonna do it.
Yes, there are 20 players in Code S right now. And 10 spots will be granted in the 5 U&D spots. So there are 2 spots remaining for the seeds.
Honestly, I would not want Kespa players to get them because they all had a shot at it already. Assuming Stephano doesn't take a seed, since these U&Ds are so stacked, maybe another group play with the 5 players that finish 3rd in these groups.
Yeah that'd be the best solution, didn't think of that.
On December 28 2012 17:59 Proseat wrote: When the next GSL starts in mid-January, Stephano will be in Korea. Let's see if he gets (and accepts) a Code S seed.
I hope that EG will have him stay in Korea playing GSL and Proleague. The two (three ?) times he went to Korea to train, he came back stronger. If he stays for several months, he will be sick good.
On December 28 2012 17:48 BoReDWiTHLiFe wrote: Actually, after taking a second look at the groups, almost every group has an MVP player too. Looks like the only teamkills that will be happening during the Up/Down games will be LG-IM, and that's only because they have more players then there are groups. I wonder if avoiding GOM was intentionally trying to avoid team-kills?
I think this is likely. Same with spreading the Kespa players out as well.
Also the racial spread, Flash v Jaedong, Nestea and Huk getting an easy group (in comparison).
Doesn't really look random at all.
Actually, I am ok with non 100% random. For example, if they have rules like
1) Can't have 3 members of the same team 2) Can't have 3 Kespa players 3) Can't have 4 of the same race
I am actually ok with that. Leagues like champions league etc also have rules about not facing clubs in the same country in Ro16, etc.
Of course, if they proposedly place JD and Flash in same group. Or make some groups 'weaker' on purpose, that would not be ok.
HOOOLY HELL GROUP A!! Can't wait! Shame FLash vs JD is a single best of one. For all we know Jaedong will 6 pool and Flash will 14 CC :p
As far as the foreign seeds go, I don't understand. Grubby, maybe, but Huk hasn't done anything remotely impressive lately. There are many other foreigners more worthy of a seed than him.
On December 28 2012 17:48 BoReDWiTHLiFe wrote: Actually, after taking a second look at the groups, almost every group has an MVP player too. Looks like the only teamkills that will be happening during the Up/Down games will be LG-IM, and that's only because they have more players then there are groups. I wonder if avoiding GOM was intentionally trying to avoid team-kills?
I think this is likely. Same with spreading the Kespa players out as well.
Also the racial spread, Flash v Jaedong, Nestea and Huk getting an easy group (in comparison).
Doesn't really look random at all.
Actually, I am ok with non 100% random. For example, if they have rules like
1) Can't have 3 members of the same team 2) Can't have 3 Kespa players 3) Can't have 4 of the same race
IMO only the same race rule is acceptable there. Other two are still staging the groups to benefit players and/or their organizations, and other players can still get shafted in the process.
On December 28 2012 18:05 Havik_ wrote: HOOOLY HELL GROUP A!! Can't wait! Shame FLash vs JD is a single best of one. For all we know Jaedong will 6 pool and Flash will 14 CC :p
As far as the foreign seeds go, I don't understand. Grubby, maybe, but Huk hasn't done anything remotely impressive lately. There are many other foreigners more worthy of a seed than him.
Yes, but how many of them are willing to stay in Korea for 2-3 months? Would Scarlett, Snute be willing?
On December 28 2012 18:05 Havik_ wrote: HOOOLY HELL GROUP A!! Can't wait! Shame FLash vs JD is a single best of one. For all we know Jaedong will 6 pool and Flash will 14 CC :p
As far as the foreign seeds go, I don't understand. Grubby, maybe, but Huk hasn't done anything remotely impressive lately. There are many other foreigners more worthy of a seed than him.
HuK's been trying to qualify for a while, making it to the last round of Code B last season, only to get beaten by TaiLs. I'm sure if he didn't get a seed, he would try to qualify, and it would seem a bit unfair if someone else got a free ticket ahead of him.
On December 28 2012 18:05 Havik_ wrote: HOOOLY HELL GROUP A!! Can't wait! Shame FLash vs JD is a single best of one. For all we know Jaedong will 6 pool and Flash will 14 CC :p
As far as the foreign seeds go, I don't understand. Grubby, maybe, but Huk hasn't done anything remotely impressive lately. There are many other foreigners more worthy of a seed than him.
HuK's been trying to qualify for a while, making it to the last round of Code B last season, only to get beaten by TaiLs. I'm sure if he didn't get a seed, he would try to qualify, and it would seem a bit unfair if someone else got a free ticket ahead of him.
Well... TLO made it to the final round of Code B and went out 1-2. In terms of gameplay AND results in the qualifiers, he deserves the seed more. Not saying he should get it. IMO nobody should get any seeds.
On December 28 2012 17:48 BoReDWiTHLiFe wrote: Actually, after taking a second look at the groups, almost every group has an MVP player too. Looks like the only teamkills that will be happening during the Up/Down games will be LG-IM, and that's only because they have more players then there are groups. I wonder if avoiding GOM was intentionally trying to avoid team-kills?
I think this is likely. Same with spreading the Kespa players out as well.
Also the racial spread, Flash v Jaedong, Nestea and Huk getting an easy group (in comparison).
Doesn't really look random at all.
You can't realistically draw any conclusion on groups being random or not from this sample size. I highly doubt they're intentionally giving anyone an easy group.
C & D are so ridiculously hard and A & B aren't far behind.
I think C has the most players who could make good runs at the GSL title, but D is overall the hardest group, especially if you play Protoss.
Grubby got a really hard group, Huk's is easier but I don't think he can make it out either, it's the easiest group but there a still a lot of good players in it, finale is probably MVPs best Protoss, Nestea is the king of the universe and Fantasy and Flying are regulars in pro-league even though their team's lineups are stronger than EG-TL.
On December 28 2012 17:48 BoReDWiTHLiFe wrote: Actually, after taking a second look at the groups, almost every group has an MVP player too. Looks like the only teamkills that will be happening during the Up/Down games will be LG-IM, and that's only because they have more players then there are groups. I wonder if avoiding GOM was intentionally trying to avoid team-kills?
I think this is likely. Same with spreading the Kespa players out as well.
Also the racial spread, Flash v Jaedong, Nestea and Huk getting an easy group (in comparison).
Doesn't really look random at all.
Actually, I am ok with non 100% random. For example, if they have rules like
1) Can't have 3 members of the same team 2) Can't have 3 Kespa players 3) Can't have 4 of the same race
IMO only the same race rule is acceptable there. Other two are still staging the groups to benefit players and/or their organizations, and other players can still get shafted in the process.
Well, if you want to get technical, even the race rule can play a factor in the 'fairness'. Say a Protoss is really good in PvP. Would it be 'fair' that just because of the rule, he can't get 3 other Ps in his group?
At the end of the day, since each group has 6 players, the rules don't really play a huge role. It is actually more 'fair' this way. Let's say IM had 4 players in a group. And the 3 others all lost to Nestea, there would be 'theories' on how IM did it on 'purpose' so Nestea could get into Code S.
BIG news with Grubby and HUK participating, but i don´t think they have a chance, GOM should invite the best Foreigners and not mid- to hightier pros. Atleast this is the case for Grubby, i think HUK might have a good chance, because of the EG house in Korea.
Damn, those brackets look sick, I thought the last up & downs where ridiculous but these just take the cake. Can hardly wait to see Flash vs Jaedong again, this will be one for the history books.
On December 28 2012 18:28 NotoriousBig wrote: BIG news with Grubby and HUK participating, but i don´t think they have a chance, GOM should invite the best Foreigners and not mid- to hightier pros. Atleast this is the case for Grubby, i think HUK might have a good chance, because of the EG house in Korea.
best foreigners? you mean Stephano or Naniwa? no one else from the foreigners is that much better as Grubby.
On December 28 2012 18:28 NotoriousBig wrote: BIG news with Grubby and HUK participating, but i don´t think they have a chance, GOM should invite the best Foreigners and not mid- to hightier pros. Atleast this is the case for Grubby, i think HUK might have a good chance, because of the EG house in Korea.
Again, how many of the top EU/NA pros are willing to living in Korea for the 2 months it takes for Code S if they do make it through the U&Ds?
On December 28 2012 17:27 Gihi wrote: Don't know why HuK gets a seed, he really hasn't impressed me over the last half year.
he beats alot korean code s/a in mlg etc, also in korea he also beats alot koreans often, its just yiou have 2 foreign seeds, grubby + add one here ^^ there is no other impressive guy in korea so here its for you huk! xD
huk still one of the best foreigns and he proved to be good
On December 28 2012 18:28 NotoriousBig wrote: BIG news with Grubby and HUK participating, but i don´t think they have a chance, GOM should invite the best Foreigners and not mid- to hightier pros. Atleast this is the case for Grubby, i think HUK might have a good chance, because of the EG house in Korea.
best foreigners? you mean Stephano or Naniwa? no one else from the foreigners is that much better as Grubby.
as huk was a very long code S player and always beat so many koreans in mlg etc he is one of the best calling him mid tier is a bad joke. grubby gets better and better and deserves a spot
there is only scarlett snute stephano who comes in my mind which are better foreigns and they are not in korea so ...
On December 28 2012 17:16 SamirDuran wrote: how does grubby and huk qualified to up & down?
GSL gives foreign seeds for up and down sometimes. Also, that Jaedong vs Flash thing was definitely done intentionally.
I don't think so, that would be really bad. Fixing the groups isn't good at all.
Not sure how GOM would benefit from that tho. Sure, you will get more viewers for that ONE day in U&D. But wouldn't it be better for GOM if they were in different groups and both made it through? I think just because we get JD vs Flash, we shouldn't jump to conclusions.
On December 28 2012 17:27 Gihi wrote: Don't know why HuK gets a seed, he really hasn't impressed me over the last half year.
he beats alot korean code s/a in mlg etc, also in korea he also beats alot koreans often, its just yiou have 2 foreign seeds, grubby + add one here ^^ there is no other impressive guy in korea so here its for you huk! xD
huk still one of the best foreigns and he proved to be good
On December 28 2012 18:28 NotoriousBig wrote: BIG news with Grubby and HUK participating, but i don´t think they have a chance, GOM should invite the best Foreigners and not mid- to hightier pros. Atleast this is the case for Grubby, i think HUK might have a good chance, because of the EG house in Korea.
best foreigners? you mean Stephano or Naniwa? no one else from the foreigners is that much better as Grubby.
as huk was a very long code S player and always beat so many koreans in mlg etc he is one of the best calling him mid tier is a bad joke. grubby gets better and better and deserves a spot
there is only scarlett snute stephano who comes in my mind which are better foreigns and they are not in korea so ...
Grubby is currently in the top 10 foreigners imo. He's improving a lot but it's hard to say if he's like top 5 or more 5~10. But I do think he's currently a bit better than HuK (though he can still win games against good players).
They both have good chances to win some matches, I think maybe more than 50% to win at least one, but yes, this will be hard to get out of their group (5% chance maybe?).
On December 28 2012 17:27 Gihi wrote: Don't know why HuK gets a seed, he really hasn't impressed me over the last half year.
he beats alot korean code s/a in mlg etc, also in korea he also beats alot koreans often, its just yiou have 2 foreign seeds, grubby + add one here ^^ there is no other impressive guy in korea so here its for you huk! xD
huk still one of the best foreigns and he proved to be good
On December 28 2012 18:28 NotoriousBig wrote: BIG news with Grubby and HUK participating, but i don´t think they have a chance, GOM should invite the best Foreigners and not mid- to hightier pros. Atleast this is the case for Grubby, i think HUK might have a good chance, because of the EG house in Korea.
best foreigners? you mean Stephano or Naniwa? no one else from the foreigners is that much better as Grubby.
as huk was a very long code S player and always beat so many koreans in mlg etc he is one of the best calling him mid tier is a bad joke. grubby gets better and better and deserves a spot
there is only scarlett snute stephano who comes in my mind which are better foreigns and they are not in korea so ...
HuK hasn't done anything in a long time. His last MLG run had no Code A/S koreans in it, he lost to an australian zerg and an european toss. At IPL he beat Ryung aka TvP is my worst nightmare and got BO wins vs YoDa. Those are the only thing HuK accomplished in the last months. Not really much to justify a seed imo
To be fair, Grubby did put up some results lately, like making the finals of IEM Singapore after beating some koreans including MC, though I do understand the criticism about the picks. Also Flash vs JD sick!
I'm really interested in who is getting the code S seeds... Rain and hero(CJ) should be code s material and so far there are only 2 protoss out of the 20 spots that are already taken. Artificially filling code S with more protoss to make it more interesting wouldn't be a bad idea if the racial distribution is as imbalanced as it is for the next season. I don't see any foreigner taking the spot as there are none worthy of code S besides stephano who is, most likely, refusing to take it anyway. Another contender could be Soulkey who also performed very well recently.
Oh look, we've got another group of death, when will GOM quit using antiquated group systems for the up and downs and switch to a Swiss system, which is designed exactly for this sort of thing
On December 28 2012 19:06 Nezgar wrote: I'm really interested in who is getting the code S seeds... Rain and hero(CJ) should be code s material and so far there are only 2 protoss out of the 20 spots that are already taken. Artificially filling code S with more protoss to make it more interesting wouldn't be a bad idea if the racial distribution is as imbalanced as it is for the next season. I don't see any foreigner taking the spot as there are none worthy of code S besides stephano who is, most likely, refusing to take it anyway. Another contender could be Soulkey who also performed very well recently.
It would be really strange if Rain got a Code S seed right after getting knocked out in Ro48 of Code A.
On December 28 2012 19:06 Nezgar wrote: I'm really interested in who is getting the code S seeds... Rain and hero(CJ) should be code s material and so far there are only 2 protoss out of the 20 spots that are already taken. Artificially filling code S with more protoss to make it more interesting wouldn't be a bad idea if the racial distribution is as imbalanced as it is for the next season. I don't see any foreigner taking the spot as there are none worthy of code S besides stephano who is, most likely, refusing to take it anyway. Another contender could be Soulkey who also performed very well recently.
It would be really strange if Rain got a Code S seed right after getting knocked out in Ro48 of Code A.
Additionally, Rain took MLG over GSL last season so he's never going to get a seed. At least not for this season and I highly doubt if he'll get it in a later season.
Grubby I am alright with but why give HuK a seed?!? The guy had numerous chances in the GSL in previous, easier seasons and hasnt given any indication that he's improved. Would have much rather seen some of the foreign Zergs or god forbid a Terran (Major/Lucifron) grab a seed ~_~
On December 28 2012 19:08 sixfour wrote: Oh look, we've got another group of death, when will GOM quit using antiquated group systems for the up and downs and switch to a Swiss system, which is designed exactly for this sort of thing
Would you be so kind to explain that swiss system?
squirtle always gets the easiest groups for GSL for some reason lol, not complaining, but itd be sad if he cant even get through this group as 2nd (1st taeja imo)
EGStephano @EGStephanoRC Here's an announcement which will probably please you : I'll probably (certainly) participate in the next GSL code S for the first time!!
EGStephano @EGStephanoRC Here's an announcement which will probably please you : I'll probably (certainly) participate in the next GSL code S for the first time!!
No way! :O He's gonna get bombed out in Ro32 though, too many zergs.
EGStephano @EGStephanoRC Here's an announcement which will probably please you : I'll probably (certainly) participate in the next GSL code S for the first time!!
On December 28 2012 19:41 trada wrote: people only vote A because of JD and Flash. its not really a stacked group or at least not as stacked as some other groups
This. How is Squirtle vs. TaeJa not the group of death?
EGStephano @EGStephanoRC Here's an announcement which will probably please you : I'll probably (certainly) participate in the next GSL code S for the first time!!
Didn't he announced it like 2 times before and then turned it down?
I can understand grubby,he is in a very good shape. But giving a seed to HuK....wtf....what a waste,i think he even said it himself that recently he's been struggling.
Thanks for posting! Some groups are stacked as hell (A...) while others (E) don't have a single person I'd personally consider to be deserving of Code S right now. Life is unfair...
On December 28 2012 19:41 trada wrote: people only vote A because of JD and Flash. its not really a stacked group or at least not as stacked as some other groups
This. How is Squirtle vs. TaeJa not the group of death?
what?
squirtle and taeja are the only code S level players in that group, the other 4 are either underrated/ unpopular or just not code S calliber in the first place. group A on the other hand has massive fan favorites in JD/ flash/ MC, and also code S level players like yonghwa, as well as 2 underrated but good players (vampire and yoda)........
On December 28 2012 19:52 shid0x wrote: I can understand grubby,he is in a very good shape. But giving a seed to HuK....wtf....what a waste,i think he even said it himself that recently he's been struggling.
is it wrong that whenever i see a person with fnatic tag i automatically check their profile to see if they are zerosc2??.......also, Huk getting an up n down seed is as bad as grubby getting an up n down seed, they both arent very good recently, grubby did get 2nd in IEM singapore losing barely to sting in the finals, but other than that he is really not been performing well enough to indicate he is even code A level
On December 28 2012 19:30 xluik wrote: rain deserved a seed for osl and mlg performance . not fair. interesting groups nevertheless
He bummed out from GSL after those performances. Would be kind of weird to reward him for good performance in other tournaments that happened before he performed badly. Also, it's not long ago that he received the initial Code S seed anyways, they don't typically hand out another seed to the same person so soon (though there is no strict rule about that as far as I'm aware).
On December 28 2012 19:56 monkybone wrote: I can't see how group D is not the group of death here...
Seriously, group D is more stacked than A for sure.
Maybe, but I also feel like it has the most favored in HerO. The matchups are lining up really really well for him. The other groups don't have such a clear favorite imo.
I haven't been here long enough to know Flash and JD beyond the games they played in SC2 ( I'm aware of their history thou ), but group A as the group of death?! Come on. Group C has Symbol, Losira, and DRG! Any one of these players, if they play their best game are code S finalist material. Maybe I'm missing something but what I've seen from Flash and JD so far has been impressive but not stellar. Thous seeing Flash vs. JD in SC2 would be very cool.
On December 28 2012 19:56 monkybone wrote: I can't see how group D is not the group of death here...
Seriously, group D is more stacked than A for sure.
Maybe, but I also feel like it has the most favored in HerO. The matchups are lining up really really well for him. The other groups don't have such a clear favorite imo.
i think bomber > HerO head to head, other than that tho i think HerO will have an easy time winning his group, i mean, bomber is ridiculously good in TvP and nothing else
also just noticed its YOU im talking to, must insult HerO moar
The competition in GSL has gotten so tight in the past few seasons it's crazy. It's actually heartbreaking to see the lineups of these Up and Down matches and know that less than half of them will be in Code S
On December 28 2012 19:56 monkybone wrote: I can't see how group D is not the group of death here...
Seriously, group D is more stacked than A for sure.
Maybe, but I also feel like it has the most favored in HerO. The matchups are lining up really really well for him. The other groups don't have such a clear favorite imo.
i think bomber > HerO head to head, other than that tho i think HerO will have an easy time winning his group, i mean, bomber is ridiculously good in TvP and nothing else
also just noticed its YOU im talking to, must insult HerO moar
Haha maybe maybe but HerO's PvT is the best in the world atm according to statistics. But yeah, him vs Bomber will likely be the toughest match and (I hope so at least) the best as well.
I saw on twitter Stephano said he'd be competing in code S. I only really started following GSL about halfway through last season, but doesn't he have to go through up/downs? Someone explain how it all works for me
On December 28 2012 20:00 IcemanAsi wrote: I haven't been here long enough to know Flash and JD beyond the games they played in SC2 ( I'm aware of their history thou ), but group A as the group of death?! Come on. Group C has Symbol, Losira, and DRG! Any one of these players, if they play their best game are code S finalist material. Maybe I'm missing something but what I've seen from Flash and JD so far has been impressive but not stellar. Thous seeing Flash vs. JD in SC2 would be very cool.
Losira code S finalist material
just because someone reached the finals once back when people werent very good, doesnt mean he has the potential to reach the finals atm, when he doesnt even look code A.
On December 28 2012 20:03 Gutts011 wrote: I saw on twitter Stephano said he'd be competing in code S. I only really started following GSL about halfway through last season, but doesn't he have to go through up/downs? Someone explain how it all works for me
WHAAAAT?!
@EGStephanoRC Here's an announcement which will probably please you : I'll probably (certainly) participate in the next GSL code S for the first time!!
On December 28 2012 19:56 monkybone wrote: I can't see how group D is not the group of death here...
Seriously, group D is more stacked than A for sure.
Maybe, but I also feel like it has the most favored in HerO. The matchups are lining up really really well for him. The other groups don't have such a clear favorite imo.
i think bomber > HerO head to head, other than that tho i think HerO will have an easy time winning his group, i mean, bomber is ridiculously good in TvP and nothing else
also just noticed its YOU im talking to, must insult HerO moar
Haha maybe maybe but HerO's PvT is the best in the world atm according to statistics. But yeah, him vs Bomber will likely be the toughest match and (I hope so at least) the best as well.
On December 28 2012 20:03 Gutts011 wrote: I saw on twitter Stephano said he'd be competing in code S. I only really started following GSL about halfway through last season, but doesn't he have to go through up/downs? Someone explain how it all works for me
If he was trying to qualify, he would have to go through Code B and then Code A to get to Code S. But GOM gives seeds sometimes and Stephano got one for this season. That's why he doesn't have to qualify.
On December 28 2012 20:03 Gutts011 wrote: I saw on twitter Stephano said he'd be competing in code S. I only really started following GSL about halfway through last season, but doesn't he have to go through up/downs? Someone explain how it all works for me
If he was trying to qualify, he would have to go through Code B and then Code A to get to Code S. But GOM gives seeds sometimes and Stephano got one for this season. That's why he doesn't have to qualify.
Ok thanks I hope all foreigners do well, but I don't see them staying in Code S.
On December 28 2012 19:56 monkybone wrote: I can't see how group D is not the group of death here...
Seriously, group D is more stacked than A for sure.
Maybe, but I also feel like it has the most favored in HerO. The matchups are lining up really really well for him. The other groups don't have such a clear favorite imo.
i think bomber > HerO head to head, other than that tho i think HerO will have an easy time winning his group, i mean, bomber is ridiculously good in TvP and nothing else
also just noticed its YOU im talking to, must insult HerO moar
Haha maybe maybe but HerO's PvT is the best in the world atm according to statistics. But yeah, him vs Bomber will likely be the toughest match and (I hope so at least) the best as well.
Much love <3
As much as I'm a fanboy for Hero, I think BOmber might be slightly favored in that match, at least if he somehow manages to keep his form until then. According to TheBB's awesome site, it is a 72.25% chance for a Bomber win http://aligulac.com/predict/match/?i1=11&i2=12&bo=3
On December 28 2012 19:56 monkybone wrote: I can't see how group D is not the group of death here...
Seriously, group D is more stacked than A for sure.
Maybe, but I also feel like it has the most favored in HerO. The matchups are lining up really really well for him. The other groups don't have such a clear favorite imo.
i think bomber > HerO head to head, other than that tho i think HerO will have an easy time winning his group, i mean, bomber is ridiculously good in TvP and nothing else
also just noticed its YOU im talking to, must insult HerO moar
Haha maybe maybe but HerO's PvT is the best in the world atm according to statistics. But yeah, him vs Bomber will likely be the toughest match and (I hope so at least) the best as well.
Much love <3
As much as I'm a fanboy for Hero, I think BOmber might be slightly favored in that match, at least if he somehow manages to keep his form until then. According to TheBB's awesome site, it is a 72.25% chance for a Bomber win http://aligulac.com/predict/match/?i1=11&i2=12&bo=3
Heh... we'll see, we'll see. I don't think HerO has lost a PvT ever since that weird 2-0 to Rain (not SKT) in some team league. BUt hey, this is Bo1 so anything can happen. Maybe he proxy robo immortal all ins. (Build is surprisingly ridiculously good).
Sad to see all the big names in A and B and some bound to fall...
I think Huk could make it out of that group depending how the Terrans do. He has had a good PvP historically. Grubby might have trouble with both DRG and Symbol in there.
On December 28 2012 19:41 trada wrote: people only vote A because of JD and Flash. its not really a stacked group or at least not as stacked as some other groups
This. How is Squirtle vs. TaeJa not the group of death?
what?
squirtle and taeja are the only code S level players in that group, the other 4 are either underrated/ unpopular or just not code S calliber in the first place. group A on the other hand has massive fan favorites in JD/ flash/ MC, and also code S level players like yonghwa, as well as 2 underrated but good players (vampire and yoda)........
Happy is a Code S regular (7 of the last 8 seasons), Dream is that one guy that knocked Rain out of the GSL, Shine is a TSL Zerg, and Trap is STX Soul's Protoss ace...
On December 28 2012 19:41 trada wrote: people only vote A because of JD and Flash. its not really a stacked group or at least not as stacked as some other groups
This. How is Squirtle vs. TaeJa not the group of death?
what?
squirtle and taeja are the only code S level players in that group, the other 4 are either underrated/ unpopular or just not code S calliber in the first place. group A on the other hand has massive fan favorites in JD/ flash/ MC, and also code S level players like yonghwa, as well as 2 underrated but good players (vampire and yoda)........
Happy is a Code S regular (7 of the last 8 seasons), Dream is that one guy that knocked Rain out of the GSL, Shine is a TSL Zerg, and Trap is STX Soul's Protoss ace...
I think thta is a great group but with MC JD Flash and no bad players in A, I believe it takes the cake.
On December 28 2012 19:41 trada wrote: people only vote A because of JD and Flash. its not really a stacked group or at least not as stacked as some other groups
This. How is Squirtle vs. TaeJa not the group of death?
what?
squirtle and taeja are the only code S level players in that group, the other 4 are either underrated/ unpopular or just not code S calliber in the first place. group A on the other hand has massive fan favorites in JD/ flash/ MC, and also code S level players like yonghwa, as well as 2 underrated but good players (vampire and yoda)........
Happy is a Code S regular (7 of the last 8 seasons), Dream is that one guy that knocked Rain out of the GSL, Shine is a TSL Zerg, and Trap is STX Soul's Protoss ace...
I think thta is a great group but with MC JD Flash and no bad players in A, I believe it takes the cake.
I'd argue that Vampire is bad... he's only in the GSL based off of his macro. He has absolutely no skill in micro. Watch his Code S group last season to see his stunning a-moving capabilities.
On December 28 2012 20:00 IcemanAsi wrote: I haven't been here long enough to know Flash and JD beyond the games they played in SC2 ( I'm aware of their history thou ), but group A as the group of death?! Come on. Group C has Symbol, Losira, and DRG! Any one of these players, if they play their best game are code S finalist material. Maybe I'm missing something but what I've seen from Flash and JD so far has been impressive but not stellar. Thous seeing Flash vs. JD in SC2 would be very cool.
Losira code S finalist material
just because someone reached the finals once back when people werent very good, doesnt mean he has the potential to reach the finals atm, when he doesnt even look code A.
Hmm, Agreed, that is overeaching for losira right now. Still group C looks way more threatning for it's weaker players then group A in my eyes.
On December 28 2012 19:41 trada wrote: people only vote A because of JD and Flash. its not really a stacked group or at least not as stacked as some other groups
This. How is Squirtle vs. TaeJa not the group of death?
what?
squirtle and taeja are the only code S level players in that group, the other 4 are either underrated/ unpopular or just not code S calliber in the first place. group A on the other hand has massive fan favorites in JD/ flash/ MC, and also code S level players like yonghwa, as well as 2 underrated but good players (vampire and yoda)........
Happy is a Code S regular (7 of the last 8 seasons), Dream is that one guy that knocked Rain out of the GSL, Shine is a TSL Zerg, and Trap is STX Soul's Protoss ace...
happy never looks code S level even though he is a code S regular, kinda like virus/ensnare of old, code S regulars, yes, but not very inspiring or good ones. Dream outplayed rain like fuck but lost to b4 quite convincingly, rain also got even more outplayed in his bliz cup group, he just isnt that 'best kespa player' anymore. Shine may be a TSL zerg but he isnt a very good one and Trap was fairly unconvincing last season
On December 28 2012 19:41 trada wrote: people only vote A because of JD and Flash. its not really a stacked group or at least not as stacked as some other groups
This. How is Squirtle vs. TaeJa not the group of death?
what?
squirtle and taeja are the only code S level players in that group, the other 4 are either underrated/ unpopular or just not code S calliber in the first place. group A on the other hand has massive fan favorites in JD/ flash/ MC, and also code S level players like yonghwa, as well as 2 underrated but good players (vampire and yoda)........
Happy is a Code S regular (7 of the last 8 seasons), Dream is that one guy that knocked Rain out of the GSL, Shine is a TSL Zerg, and Trap is STX Soul's Protoss ace...
I think thta is a great group but with MC JD Flash and no bad players in A, I believe it takes the cake.
I'd argue that Vampire is bad... he's only in the GSL based off of his macro. He has absolutely no skill in micro. Watch his Code S group last season to see his stunning a-moving capabilities.
and?? vampire has incredible macro, doesnt make him any less of a player than one with incredible micro, infact, macro > micro in importance in many ways
GRUBBY! hope he can make it and if not, show good games, same for huk. I wonder who're gonna get the codeS seeds tho, Stephano is more or less confirmed, so that leaves 2 cuz polt dropped his. Rain seems unlikely, but maybe CJherO? Another EG-foreigner? (dont think there are other foreigners than EG-players and now grubby)
i also wonder where grubby will be staying, EG/TL house?
I know Christmas is over, but I want the following : A : JD and Flash, ofc ! B : Taeja and Squirtle C : Grubby and Losira (not going to happen though... ) D : Bomber. Just Bomber please ! And maybe HerO, or Genius. E : Fantasy and Center (TSL need that terran so much now that Polt left )
Grubby has a pretty good shot.His PvZ is like getting a monthly miracle these days. He just explodes sometimes and does these ridiculous mechanical plays to beat BL infestor armies with inferior compositions.
DRG is washed up, First is beatable PvP, LosirA is far from his former strenght.
Then Symbol he is at a big disadvantage but who knows how tilted Symbol might be after his humiliating loss vs Snute at HSC? Bbyong will be hardest, but Grubby has pretty good PvT.
On December 28 2012 20:52 Elem wrote: Grubby has a pretty good shot.His PvZ is like getting a monthly miracle these days. He just explodes sometimes and does these ridiculous mechanical plays to beat BL infestor armies with inferior compositions.
DRG is washed up, First is beatable PvP, LosirA is far from his former strenght.
Then Symbol he is at a big disadvantage but who knows how tilted Symbol might be after his humiliating loss vs Snute at HSC? Bbyong will be hardest, but Grubby has pretty good PvT.
bad news for you bro, cause DRG is nearly back, he lost barely 3-2 to eventual champion Life in bliz cup, if anything symbol is slumping atm (yes he is actually slumping)
On December 28 2012 20:36 Koerage wrote: GRUBBY! hope he can make it and if not, show good games, same for huk. I wonder who're gonna get the codeS seeds tho, Stephano is more or less confirmed, so that leaves 2 cuz polt dropped his. Rain seems unlikely, but maybe CJherO? Another EG-foreigner? (dont think there are other foreigners than EG-players and now grubby)
i also wonder where grubby will be staying, EG/TL house?
There is other foreigners currently in Korea and not qualified (even for code A), but most of them are EG, yes. Thorzain (he's playing in proleague) Idra (same)
But isn't TLO in Korea too ?
Anyway, none of them have code S level. They could have earned a code A seed, but not a code S. I'm pretty sure another KeSPA player will be choosed. hero is a good guess, due to his very good proleague results at the moment.
On December 28 2012 20:52 Elem wrote: Grubby has a pretty good shot.His PvZ is like getting a monthly miracle these days. He just explodes sometimes and does these ridiculous mechanical plays to beat BL infestor armies with inferior compositions.
DRG is washed up, First is beatable PvP, LosirA is far from his former strenght.
Then Symbol he is at a big disadvantage but who knows how tilted Symbol might be after his humiliating loss vs Snute at HSC? Bbyong will be hardest, but Grubby has pretty good PvT.
This is hands down the most ridiculous prediction I ever read. :p
Grubby can barely beat Slivko and gets 2-0'ed by TLO in PvZ...
DRG would have beaten Parting in Blizzard cup if he hadn't danced his Lings got overconfident when he was ahead. He played really well in Blizzard cup against the best players in the world. And Losira has been practicing really hard, and has been on top of the Korean ladder for quite a few weeks now, all that practice will soon begin to pay off.
On December 28 2012 20:52 Elem wrote: Grubby has a pretty good shot.His PvZ is like getting a monthly miracle these days. He just explodes sometimes and does these ridiculous mechanical plays to beat BL infestor armies with inferior compositions.
DRG is washed up, First is beatable PvP, LosirA is far from his former strenght.
Then Symbol he is at a big disadvantage but who knows how tilted Symbol might be after his humiliating loss vs Snute at HSC? Bbyong will be hardest, but Grubby has pretty good PvT.
bad news for you bro, cause DRG is nearly back, he lost barely 3-2 to eventual champion Life in bliz cup, if anything symbol is slumping atm (yes he is actually slumping)
DRG isn't "back". He barely won against an Mvp with more exploding wrists than ever before, barely won against HerO and Leenock is awfully overrated since his lategame is utter shite.
Losing to Life in Ro6 is still a loss in Ro6. He is low-mid code S level at best these days. He keeps having to go through up-and-downs to get to code S. Totally beatable, as Grubby has beaten players better than DRG.
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On December 28 2012 21:23 sitromit wrote:
This is hands down the most ridiculous prediction I ever read. :p
Grubby can barely beat Slivko and gets 2-0'ed by TLO in PvZ...
DRG would have beaten Parting in Blizzard cup if he hadn't danced his Lings got overconfident when he was ahead. He played really well in Blizzard cup against the best players in the world. And Losira has been practicing really hard, and has been on top of the Korean ladder for quite a few weeks now, all that practice will soon begin to pay off.
Grubby doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell.
Dancing lings or not doesn't mean shit. He lost.
TLO is an odd case. He plays very non-conventional strategies. DRG plays VERY standard so it is not a good compariosn. Grubby has always had problems vs sLivko (sLivko has a 60% wr vs him IIRC) but sLivko is not a pushover either. You think 2-3 series give a good view of how good a player is? Are you dumb? All I said is that he has a good shot (for a foreigner, obviously). I never said he'd 5-0 his group or anything.
It's a fucking shame that out-dated players like Grubby and HuK are prioritized over the likes of badasses like GLSnute (4-0 Symbol, 2-1 Life, 4-0 Grubby, 3-2 Stephano) and Acer.Nerchio/Scarlett Get it together GSL!
On December 28 2012 20:52 Elem wrote: Grubby has a pretty good shot.His PvZ is like getting a monthly miracle these days. He just explodes sometimes and does these ridiculous mechanical plays to beat BL infestor armies with inferior compositions.
DRG is washed up, First is beatable PvP, LosirA is far from his former strenght.
Then Symbol he is at a big disadvantage but who knows how tilted Symbol might be after his humiliating loss vs Snute at HSC? Bbyong will be hardest, but Grubby has pretty good PvT.
bad news for you bro, cause DRG is nearly back, he lost barely 3-2 to eventual champion Life in bliz cup, if anything symbol is slumping atm (yes he is actually slumping)
DRG isn't "back". He barely won against an Mvp with more exploding wrists than ever before, barely won against HerO and Leenock is awfully overrated since his lategame is utter shite.
Losing to Life in Ro6 is still a loss in Ro6. He is low-mid code S level at best these days. He keeps having to go through up-and-downs to get to code S. Totally beatable, as Grubby has beaten players better than DRG.
Say whaaaaaaaat That's like... HerO's lategame is bad too and did you see Parting's forcefields? Like NA level. Mvp only wins foreign tournaments cause he's just better and doesn't need to analyze people and TLO's play is so boring, way too standard
On December 28 2012 20:52 Elem wrote: Grubby has a pretty good shot.His PvZ is like getting a monthly miracle these days. He just explodes sometimes and does these ridiculous mechanical plays to beat BL infestor armies with inferior compositions.
DRG is washed up, First is beatable PvP, LosirA is far from his former strenght.
Then Symbol he is at a big disadvantage but who knows how tilted Symbol might be after his humiliating loss vs Snute at HSC? Bbyong will be hardest, but Grubby has pretty good PvT.
bad news for you bro, cause DRG is nearly back, he lost barely 3-2 to eventual champion Life in bliz cup, if anything symbol is slumping atm (yes he is actually slumping)
DRG isn't "back". He barely won against an Mvp with more exploding wrists than ever before, barely won against HerO and Leenock is awfully overrated since his lategame is utter shite.
Losing to Life in Ro6 is still a loss in Ro6. He is low-mid code S level at best these days. He keeps having to go through up-and-downs to get to code S. Totally beatable, as Grubby has beaten players better than DRG.
Say whaaaaaaaat That's like... HerO's lategame is bad too and did you see Parting's forcefields? Like NA level. Mvp only wins foreign tournaments cause he's just better and doesn't need to analyze people and TLO's play is so boring, way too standard
What? Don't bring in sarcasm if you cannot even read anything I said, you utter tool.
Looking forward to it already, also smart call on getting populair foreigners in there considering they wanne sell there season pass to those overseas.
Oh well they did like this every year so perhaps we should get used to it. Ticket prices could be better diffided though, not saying it's not worth it just the structure seems kinda off.
DRG isn't "back". He barely won against an Mvp with more exploding wrists than ever before, barely won against HerO and Leenock is awfully overrated since his lategame is utter shite.
Wtf did I just read? Leenock have the best infestor/broodlord control on earth, and proved it times and times, winning games with all odds against him (like 3 bases zerg vs 4 bases protoss) just by controlling his army better.
On December 28 2012 20:52 Elem wrote: Grubby has a pretty good shot.His PvZ is like getting a monthly miracle these days. He just explodes sometimes and does these ridiculous mechanical plays to beat BL infestor armies with inferior compositions.
DRG is washed up, First is beatable PvP, LosirA is far from his former strenght.
Then Symbol he is at a big disadvantage but who knows how tilted Symbol might be after his humiliating loss vs Snute at HSC? Bbyong will be hardest, but Grubby has pretty good PvT.
bad news for you bro, cause DRG is nearly back, he lost barely 3-2 to eventual champion Life in bliz cup, if anything symbol is slumping atm (yes he is actually slumping)
DRG isn't "back". He barely won against an Mvp with more exploding wrists than ever before, barely won against HerO and Leenock is awfully overrated since his lategame is utter shite.
Losing to Life in Ro6 is still a loss in Ro6. He is low-mid code S level at best these days. He keeps having to go through up-and-downs to get to code S. Totally beatable, as Grubby has beaten players better than DRG.
Say whaaaaaaaat That's like... HerO's lategame is bad too and did you see Parting's forcefields? Like NA level. Mvp only wins foreign tournaments cause he's just better and doesn't need to analyze people and TLO's play is so boring, way too standard
What? Don't bring in sarcasm if you cannot even read anything I said, you utter tool.
Great use of ad hominem but you did say Leenock is awfully overrated since his lategame is utter shit. Which is a completely fucking retarded thing to say, you utter tool.
DRG isn't "back". He barely won against an Mvp with more exploding wrists than ever before, barely won against HerO and Leenock is awfully overrated since his lategame is utter shite.
Wtf did I just read? Leenock have the best infestor/broodlord control on earth, and proved it times and times, winning games with all odds against him (like 3 bases zerg vs 4 bases protoss) just by controlling his army better.
You're talking if 3 base zerg with BL infestor beating 4-5+ base protoss is something new and revolitionising. I do not understand what the world has come to if you call what he has "good lategame".
On December 28 2012 21:48 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Great use of ad hominem but you did say Leenock is awfully overrated since his lategame is utter shit. Which is completely fucking retarded thing to say, you utter tool.
Can you do anything but endlessly spout out small lines of sarcasm and repetition? I called you a tool because it is evident that you didn't even bother to read through my post but then began with your snarky comments which just makes you look silly.
DRG isn't "back". He barely won against an Mvp with more exploding wrists than ever before, barely won against HerO and Leenock is awfully overrated since his lategame is utter shite.
Wtf did I just read? Leenock have the best infestor/broodlord control on earth, and proved it times and times, winning games with all odds against him (like 3 bases zerg vs 4 bases protoss) just by controlling his army better.
You're talking if 3 base zerg with BL infestor beating 4-5+ base protoss is something new and revolitionising. I do not understand what the world has come to if you call what he has "good lategame".
Great use of ad hominem but you did say Leenock is awfully overrated since his lategame is utter shit. Which is completely fucking retarded thing to say, you utter tool.
Can you do anything but endlessly spout out small lines of sarcasm and repetition? I called you a tool because it is evident that you didn't even bother to read through my post but then began with your snarky comments which just makes you look silly.
Lol, I read your whole post 3 times trying to find anything that possibly makes your statement about Leenock's lategame any less ridiculous than it is but I didn't. If you're just looking to insult somebody, I'd recommend people who actually deserve it. You might try a mirror.
DRG isn't "back". He barely won against an Mvp with more exploding wrists than ever before, barely won against HerO and Leenock is awfully overrated since his lategame is utter shite.
Wtf did I just read? Leenock have the best infestor/broodlord control on earth, and proved it times and times, winning games with all odds against him (like 3 bases zerg vs 4 bases protoss) just by controlling his army better.
You're talking if 3 base zerg with BL infestor beating 4-5+ base protoss is something new and revolitionising. I do not understand what the world has come to if you call what he has "good lategame".
Great use of ad hominem but you did say Leenock is awfully overrated since his lategame is utter shit. Which is completely fucking retarded thing to say, you utter tool.
Can you do anything but endlessly spout out small lines of sarcasm and repetition? I called you a tool because it is evident that you didn't even bother to read through my post but then began with your snarky comments which just makes you look silly.
sir, check your brains out, its quite apparent there are some errors in it.
leenock has the best infestorbrood control BY FAR. while he might not have the best late game, his unit control of infestors is incredible, if you think otherwise you must be watching the wrong games because even as someone who doesnt like leenock, i acknowledge that he has incredible infestorbrood control and he is one of the only players capable of turning a game around incredibly just on his army control alone.
DRG isn't "back". He barely won against an Mvp with more exploding wrists than ever before, barely won against HerO and Leenock is awfully overrated since his lategame is utter shite.
Wtf did I just read? Leenock have the best infestor/broodlord control on earth, and proved it times and times, winning games with all odds against him (like 3 bases zerg vs 4 bases protoss) just by controlling his army better.
You're talking if 3 base zerg with BL infestor beating 4-5+ base protoss is something new and revolitionising. I do not understand what the world has come to if you call what he has "good lategame".
On December 28 2012 21:48 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Great use of ad hominem but you did say Leenock is awfully overrated since his lategame is utter shit. Which is completely fucking retarded thing to say, you utter tool.
Can you do anything but endlessly spout out small lines of sarcasm and repetition? I called you a tool because it is evident that you didn't even bother to read through my post but then began with your snarky comments which just makes you look silly.
Lol, I read your whole post 3 times trying to find anything that possibly makes your statement about Leenock's lategame any less ridiculous than it is but I didn't. If you're just looking to insult somebody, I'd recommend people who actually deserve it. You might try a mirror.
thats an incredible quote im going to use next time lol, also for the first time i agree with you...... i cant believe he thinks leenock isnt good
On December 28 2012 21:31 sciserr wrote: It's a fucking shame that out-dated players like Grubby and HuK are prioritized over the likes of badasses like GLSnute (4-0 Symbol, 2-1 Life, 4-0 Grubby, 3-2 Stephano) and Acer.Nerchio/Scarlett Get it together GSL!
they invite players willing to stay in korea for a season long, and since TL/EG is in proleague theyre players are willing to do so
On December 28 2012 21:31 sciserr wrote: It's a fucking shame that out-dated players like Grubby and HuK are prioritized over the likes of badasses like GLSnute (4-0 Symbol, 2-1 Life, 4-0 Grubby, 3-2 Stephano) and Acer.Nerchio/Scarlett Get it together GSL!
not everybody they might want to invite will accept the invitation, for various reasons. also i realize you're Norwegian, and Snute was very impressive at HSC, but i don't know that one foreign tournament is enough of a justifaction for a GSL seed. if Snute gets a few more results like that, i'll consider him worthy. there's still another seed to go though, so maybe it will be one of the names you mentioned. and Grubby isn't out dated, he's looking better than he ever has in sc2. if anything he's not quite at the level for GSL just yet, i'll give you that.
i think Grubby can surprise, the fact that he can study and analyze his opponents for weeks on a specific map gives him a extra edge i feel. he has nothing to loose and hey, BO1.... far from impossible.
On December 28 2012 22:03 Shinespark wrote: Why did Huk get a seed? Did he do well in something I missed?
Code S seeds are rewards for doing well outside of GSL (Stephano ...). Code A seeds are more "try doing well here, if you don't, you'll be out quickly anyway" for people who aren't in the korean circuit for a while and won't compete in code A qualifiers. Like a trial by fire. We'll see if HuK survive it (staying in code A would be an big win, seeing how it's stacked now).
Surprising lack of clear favourites this time. If anyone is it, it might be DongRaeGu, Squirtle or Bomber. On the other end, Genius, Grubby and Dream might have a hard time.
On December 28 2012 22:03 Shinespark wrote: Why did Huk get a seed? Did he do well in something I missed?
Code S seeds are rewards for doing well outside of GSL (Stephano ...). Code A seeds are more "try doing well here, if you don't, you'll be out quickly anyway" for people who aren't in the korean circuit for a while and won't compete in code A qualifiers. Like a trial by fire. We'll see if HuK survive it (staying in code A would be an big win, seeing how it's stacked now).
Oh i thought this was code S groups. Since it's code A it's okay to have Huk and Grubby there as it's more of a test then anything. But yeah, it is a trial by fire as the skill level in Code A nowadays are just loaded with great players.
Happy for Grubby but HuK does not belong in any of these groups. He will steal a code A spot too when he gets knocked down. He has a _lot_ to prove atm.
Hm, it's going to be difficult for grubby to advance. Huk has a better chance, i think. On the other hand, i think grubby's a bit better than huk atm.
Group A is monstrous, nothing to say really, anyone but vampire has a good chance, i'd say. Group B has Taeja as favourite, after that happy and squirtle fighting for second place. Group C, symbol has a good chance, i think bbyong as second, but hope grubby as second (gogo foreigner) Group D, I think Hero and bomber, Hero is playing quite well, and i'm betting on bomber going on a tear. Group E, I have no real favourite here, except for the standard foreigner bias. I think this is the best group for kespa players.
On December 28 2012 21:31 sciserr wrote: It's a fucking shame that out-dated players like Grubby and HuK are prioritized over the likes of badasses like GLSnute (4-0 Symbol, 2-1 Life, 4-0 Grubby, 3-2 Stephano) and Acer.Nerchio/Scarlett Get it together GSL!
not everybody they might want to invite will accept the invitation, for various reasons. also i realize you're Norwegian, and Snute was very impressive at HSC, but i don't know that one foreign tournament is enough of a justifaction for a GSL seed. if Snute gets a few more results like that, i'll consider him worthy. there's still another seed to go though, so maybe it will be one of the names you mentioned. and Grubby isn't out dated, he's looking better than he ever has in sc2. if anything he's not quite at the level for GSL just yet, i'll give you that.
On December 28 2012 17:27 Gihi wrote: Don't know why HuK gets a seed, he really hasn't impressed me over the last half year.
Not entirely disagreeing, but take a look at IPL5. HuK got through YoDa and Ryung, only lost to Sniper and Life (then again the only people who could maybe not lose to both of them right now are Leenock, viOLet, and HerO), and he's been doing damage in some teamleagues. He's obviously not as good as Liquid'HuK, but he's still one of the best foreigners out there, and that says a lot for him not being Zerg
On December 28 2012 17:27 Gihi wrote: Don't know why HuK gets a seed, he really hasn't impressed me over the last half year.
Not entirely disagreeing, but take a look at IPL5. HuK got through YoDa and Ryung, only lost to Sniper and Life (then again the only people who could maybe not lose to both of them right now are Leenock, viOLet, and HerO), and he's been doing damage in some teamleagues. He's obviously not as good as Liquid'HuK, but he's still one of the best foreigners out there, and that says a lot for him not being Zerg
Yeah, HuK is slumping etc. but in the grand scheme of things, he was still the highest-ranking foreigner at IPL5 IIRC. (13th place lol) He might be able to squeak through. His group is certainly one of the "tamer" ones, by U&D standards.
Still though, the U&Ds are a rough place for any foreigner to be seeded into. I hope they do well, but I can't see this going smoothly for either HuK or Grubby. Please prove me wrong, foreigner hopes
Wow so much hate for grubby. I guess no one was watching when he knocked out several Koreans in IEM and took 2nd place, almost winning a bo5 vs sting to take the title. HuK I guess is because he's been staying in korea and he used to do well in Code S a long while ago. I don't get why so much mad over a couple of non-koreans getting a chance to compete. It's great for viewership and sometimes they even do well. Why does our community have to be so negative towards giving any non-korean a chance to compete in the GSL?
I was so sure I wouldn't get a chance to see any sc2 while in Korea....land jan 5th and Leave jan 10th. Day 1 and day 3 here I come. Hopefully some eg players come along to cheer on Jd. I'd go to everyday if my gf wouldn't murder me. Either way Grubby, MC, JD and Flash!!
On December 29 2012 00:51 Gojira621 wrote: Wow so much hate for grubby. I guess no one was watching when he knocked out several Koreans in IEM and took 2nd place, almost winning a bo5 vs sting to take the title. HuK I guess is because he's been staying in korea and he used to do well in Code S a long while ago. I don't get why so much mad over a couple of non-koreans getting a chance to compete. It's great for viewership and sometimes they even do well. Why does our community have to be so negative towards giving any non-korean a chance to compete in the GSL?
because there are much better players in code B who couldve been in code A/S but are not because someone worse is seeded in
On December 29 2012 00:51 Gojira621 wrote: Wow so much hate for grubby. I guess no one was watching when he knocked out several Koreans in IEM and took 2nd place, almost winning a bo5 vs sting to take the title. HuK I guess is because he's been staying in korea and he used to do well in Code S a long while ago. I don't get why so much mad over a couple of non-koreans getting a chance to compete. It's great for viewership and sometimes they even do well. Why does our community have to be so negative towards giving any non-korean a chance to compete in the GSL?
because there are much better players in code B who couldve been in code A/S but are not because someone worse is seeded in
Proof? Players who are leagues better than HuK and Grubby?
On December 29 2012 00:51 Gojira621 wrote: Wow so much hate for grubby. I guess no one was watching when he knocked out several Koreans in IEM and took 2nd place, almost winning a bo5 vs sting to take the title. HuK I guess is because he's been staying in korea and he used to do well in Code S a long while ago. I don't get why so much mad over a couple of non-koreans getting a chance to compete. It's great for viewership and sometimes they even do well. Why does our community have to be so negative towards giving any non-korean a chance to compete in the GSL?
the only code B player i could think of that definately better than HuK/Grubby would be by.Rain, but well, we know that story and why he (likely) wont get a seed not sure who else failed prelims last time/will attempt them this time that would be better
On December 29 2012 00:51 Gojira621 wrote: Wow so much hate for grubby. I guess no one was watching when he knocked out several Koreans in IEM and took 2nd place, almost winning a bo5 vs sting to take the title. HuK I guess is because he's been staying in korea and he used to do well in Code S a long while ago. I don't get why so much mad over a couple of non-koreans getting a chance to compete. It's great for viewership and sometimes they even do well. Why does our community have to be so negative towards giving any non-korean a chance to compete in the GSL?
because there are much better players in code B who couldve been in code A/S but are not because someone worse is seeded in
Proof? Players who are leagues better than HuK and Grubby?
He didn't apply that those players in Code B are "leagues better" than Huk and Grubby. But here are some players who are arguably better than both of them: JYP, San, Tails, Heart, Seed, alive, Jangbi, Maru, Rain, Jjakji,Supernova, MMA. All of them dropped out in the Ro48, not to mention some guys who didn't manage to qualify through the Code A Qualifiers.
On December 29 2012 00:51 Gojira621 wrote: Wow so much hate for grubby. I guess no one was watching when he knocked out several Koreans in IEM and took 2nd place, almost winning a bo5 vs sting to take the title. HuK I guess is because he's been staying in korea and he used to do well in Code S a long while ago. I don't get why so much mad over a couple of non-koreans getting a chance to compete. It's great for viewership and sometimes they even do well. Why does our community have to be so negative towards giving any non-korean a chance to compete in the GSL?
because there are much better players in code B who couldve been in code A/S but are not because someone worse is seeded in
Proof? Players who are leagues better than HuK and Grubby?
He didn't apply that those players in Code B are "leagues better" than Huk and Grubby. But here are some players who are arguably better than both of them: JYP, San, Tails, Heart, Seed, alive, Jangbi, Maru, Rain, Jjakji,Supernova, MMA. All of them dropped out in the Ro48, not to mention some guys who didn't manage to qualify through the Code A Qualifiers.
Edit: Out of all ppl I forgot Rain...
I would take San, Jjajki, and maybe Tails off of that list. San and jjakji have pretty much nothing to show that they can hang in GSL long enough to deserve an up/down seed, whereas with grubby and huk, even if they don't qualify, will bring in tons of viewers and ticket buyers. It's still a business, and while yes there are a handful of players who get looked over for these non-korean players, it's not as severe as people are making it out to be. I honestly think Grubby has a chance to win some games and maybe qualify. HuK i have no idea because I don't really know how great he is right now, but in the past he was a long-time resident of Code S. If he can do it once I think he can do it again
edit: I know jjakji is a former Code S champion which is a huge accomplishment, but since winning that title he has really really struggled in GSL and hasn't really competed much outside korea.
On December 29 2012 00:51 Gojira621 wrote: Wow so much hate for grubby. I guess no one was watching when he knocked out several Koreans in IEM and took 2nd place, almost winning a bo5 vs sting to take the title. HuK I guess is because he's been staying in korea and he used to do well in Code S a long while ago. I don't get why so much mad over a couple of non-koreans getting a chance to compete. It's great for viewership and sometimes they even do well. Why does our community have to be so negative towards giving any non-korean a chance to compete in the GSL?
because there are much better players in code B who couldve been in code A/S but are not because someone worse is seeded in
Proof? Players who are leagues better than HuK and Grubby?
He didn't apply that those players in Code B are "leagues better" than Huk and Grubby. But here are some players who are arguably better than both of them: JYP, San, Tails, Heart, Seed, alive, Jangbi, Maru, Rain, Jjakji,Supernova, MMA. All of them dropped out in the Ro48, not to mention some guys who didn't manage to qualify through the Code A Qualifiers.
Edit: Out of all ppl I forgot Rain...
The majority of the Kespa players as well .Seeing how Huk or Thorzain probably wont win a game in Proleague is proof of that also the MvP invitational was enough proof already .
On December 29 2012 00:51 Gojira621 wrote:
I would take San, Jjajki, and maybe Tails off of that list. San and jjakji have pretty much nothing to show that they can hang in GSL long enough to deserve an up/down seed, whereas with grubby and huk, even if they don't qualify, will bring in tons of viewers and ticket buyers. It's still a business, and while yes there are a handful of players who get looked over for these non-korean players, it's not as severe as people are making it out to be. I honestly think Grubby has a chance to win some games and maybe qualify. HuK i have no idea because I don't really know how great he is right now, but in the past he was a long-time resident of Code S. If he can do it once I think he can do it again
edit: I know jjakji is a former Code S champion which is a huge accomplishment, but since winning that title he has really really struggled in GSL and hasn't really competed much outside korea.
So you are saying that Huk and Grubby deserve Code S more then Rain ? People need to stop with the illusions that foreigners can compete with koreans , because they can't . There was a time although a short one when they could , but now they simply can't unless they prove it .
Beating 1 korean won't prove anything . Send them to the offline qualifiers and lets see how far they can get . I doubt that they can even qualify for Code A .
On December 29 2012 00:51 Gojira621 wrote: Wow so much hate for grubby. I guess no one was watching when he knocked out several Koreans in IEM and took 2nd place, almost winning a bo5 vs sting to take the title. HuK I guess is because he's been staying in korea and he used to do well in Code S a long while ago. I don't get why so much mad over a couple of non-koreans getting a chance to compete. It's great for viewership and sometimes they even do well. Why does our community have to be so negative towards giving any non-korean a chance to compete in the GSL?
because there are much better players in code B who couldve been in code A/S but are not because someone worse is seeded in
Proof? Players who are leagues better than HuK and Grubby?
He didn't apply that those players in Code B are "leagues better" than Huk and Grubby. But here are some players who are arguably better than both of them: JYP, San, Tails, Heart, Seed, alive, Jangbi, Maru, Rain, Jjakji,Supernova, MMA. All of them dropped out in the Ro48, not to mention some guys who didn't manage to qualify through the Code A Qualifiers.
Edit: Out of all ppl I forgot Rain...
I would take San, Jjajki, and maybe Tails off of that list. San and jjakji have pretty much nothing to show that they can hang in GSL long enough to deserve an up/down seed, whereas with grubby and huk, even if they don't qualify, will bring in tons of viewers and ticket buyers. It's still a business, and while yes there are a handful of players who get looked over for these non-korean players, it's not as severe as people are making it out to be. I honestly think Grubby has a chance to win some games and maybe qualify. HuK i have no idea because I don't really know how great he is right now, but in the past he was a long-time resident of Code S. If he can do it once I think he can do it again
edit: I know jjakji is a former Code S champion which is a huge accomplishment, but since winning that title he has really really struggled in GSL and hasn't really competed much outside korea.
I didn't even talk about popularity, viewer attraction and stuff like that. Grubby's seed is reasonable especially regarding his popularity, but HuK getting a seed like that is kinda weird. Some seasons ago he actually got an up&down seed as well iirc, wasn't even happy about it and eventually dropped out of Code A entirely. San and Tails are both underrated Protoss players. Same goes for a lot of other Korean players. GSL is pretty unforgiving and most of these guys don't even get to show what they're capable of. In addition to that most of'em don't attend foreign tournaments at all, so it's hard to compare them to top foreigners.
Here are some more players from the Prelims who didn't make it through last time: Zer0, Killer, Sting, Lure, Puma, Dear, eff0rt, Monster, Her0, YugiOh, Brown, Suhosin and Jaehoon.
Some of them are rising stars (Kespa players), some of'em have been around for many months. Most people don't even know SuhoSin, even though he was in Code S in Season 3 (with some luck on his side, but he's a skilled player nontheless). Killer gets mentioned in interviews by his fellow teammates all the time, so he's still around (could be compared to HuK). I do support people who stated that there are many players in Code B who deserve a seed (especially in terms of skill) as well. But I don't want to take away any credit from Grubby and HuK (he was a regular Code S player in 2011 after all) and hope they do well.
Geebers... group A is insane. Any group where MC might be the underdog is just heavily stacked. Finally get to see JD vs Flash again though. Those two used to be my favourite matchup to watch back in the BW days.
So much hate for HuK/ Grubby, Both of them have recent tournament results that back them up. HuK with 13-16 at IPL5, which is regarded as one of the most stacked tournaments in history, there he was beaten by GSL season 4 champion and GSL season 5 champion, but one hte way beat a curretn code s semi finalist, and Yoda (Code S terran), HuK also lives in Korea in a team house and can train like a korean if he wants to, last time he did that, he was Code S top 16. Grubby most recent results have been less good and his seed is probably less justified, but he has still demonstrated great play and has ridiculous experience. Yes, there are probably better players in Code B, but that could be said about most of the players in the Up and Downs, competition is fierce, deal with it. However, anyone who wins their group in an Up and Down 100% deserves code S, and if they don't, then they can prove face to face if they are better than those players who didn't make the Up and Downs. Give them a chance people.....
Now onto the groups themselves. Group A looks awesome!!!! Flash V.s. Jaedong will be absolutely insane!!!! Groups B and E have a lot of potential. Group C and D will be less entertaining but we get to see some favorites dominating (DRG, Hero, Bomber) So it will be fun. Overall, i'm glad i bought my ticket.
Even during his prime, HuK was more of a gimmicky player who won a lot of games with BO wins (I remember watching a lot of his matches) and crazy micro. He just won against a lot of Korean because of his relatively good skill, extremely aggressive play, and the support from his team (oGs-TL for example). Now, a lot of players such as Grubby who utilized solid mechanics, creativity, and good decisions have emerged and make HuK look pretty obsolete.
But we'll see... Grubby does a slight chance while HuK has the easiest group.
On December 28 2012 21:31 sciserr wrote: It's a fucking shame that out-dated players like Grubby and HuK are prioritized over the likes of badasses like GLSnute (4-0 Symbol, 2-1 Life, 4-0 Grubby, 3-2 Stephano) and Acer.Nerchio/Scarlett Get it together GSL!
Grubby just got 2nd at IEM Singapore fairly recently I don't see how you can call him out-dated.
On December 29 2012 01:01 TheDougler wrote: Heh, iirc HuK beat Nestea when last they met.
I remember that game too. Nestea actually threw that game away by getting extra cocky with mass banelings (without drops). So, HuK was just extremely lucky as usual.
On December 28 2012 21:31 sciserr wrote: It's a fucking shame that out-dated players like Grubby and HuK are prioritized over the likes of badasses like GLSnute (4-0 Symbol, 2-1 Life, 4-0 Grubby, 3-2 Stephano) and Acer.Nerchio/Scarlett Get it together GSL!
Grubby just got 2nd at IEM Singapore fairly recently I don't see how you can call him out-dated.
It looks like a Zerg fanboy is why. All players mentioned were zergs.
I think what a lot of ppl forget when seeds are handed out is that ppl have to have the want to stay in Korea for potentially a month. Now with no Gom house paying for their own accommodation etc. it's not always, who is the best. Granted I love grubby and think he can do well if he has known and been practicing Korean ladder for a while leading up to the announcement.
On December 29 2012 01:01 TheDougler wrote: Heh, iirc HuK beat Nestea when last they met.
I remember that game too. Nestea actually threw that game away by getting extra cocky with mass banelings (without drops). So, HuK was just extremely lucky as usual.
It doesn't mean Huk was lucky it means Nestea was lazy/underestimated him. That doesn't mean Huk was lucky that means when Nestea decided he could do whatever he wanted Huk played with his all and won.
AWWWW YEAH But as much as I like Huk, he hasn't been performing too well lately... And I kinda expect him to be crushed in his group T.T But Grubby might have a chance, he's been really improving the last little while. Foreigner hope!~~ glgl
So many good games to come :D More recognisable names in Group A but Group C has two GSL champion Zergs in it and Symbol along with a First rate protoss and a great terran. All i can say is Grubby Fighting! because he has a tough road into code S.
On December 29 2012 02:02 isaachukfan wrote: So much hate for HuK/ Grubby, Both of them have recent tournament results that back them up. HuK with 13-16 at IPL5, which is regarded as one of the most stacked tournaments in history, there he was beaten by GSL season 4 champion and GSL season 5 champion, but one hte way beat a curretn code s semi finalist, and Yoda (Code S terran), HuK also lives in Korea in a team house and can train like a korean if he wants to, last time he did that, he was Code S top 16. Grubby most recent results have been less good and his seed is probably less justified, but he has still demonstrated great play and has ridiculous experience. Yes, there are probably better players in Code B, but that could be said about most of the players in the Up and Downs, competition is fierce, deal with it. However, anyone who wins their group in an Up and Down 100% deserves code S, and if they don't, then they can prove face to face if they are better than those players who didn't make the Up and Downs. Give them a chance people.....
Now onto the groups themselves. Group A looks awesome!!!! Flash V.s. Jaedong will be absolutely insane!!!! Groups B and E have a lot of potential. Group C and D will be less entertaining but we get to see some favorites dominating (DRG, Hero, Bomber) So it will be fun. Overall, i'm glad i bought my ticket.
Huk Hwaaaiittting!!!
ROFL, Grubby finished SECOND at IEM Singapore, top 8th at HomeStory Cup (he lost to winner) ... how the f*** is Grubby's seed less justified?
So many people butthurt about the Naniwa/Huk drama. Huk did quite well at IPL only losing to Life and Sniper, 2 of the best zergs on the planet. Pretty sure he's good enough to make a stand in GSL if only he prepares well enough.
Out of all the foreigners and Code B koreans they could have picked, IDK why they went with Huk. Grubby is a fan favorite although he has had even worse results than Huk recently. Gom can give seeds to whoever they please and they know people will watch Grubby. Huk though, WHY? Out of all foreigners(other than Stephano) I think Scarlett should be the top pick for a seed, Vortix has had good results in tournaments in 2012 as well, give him a chance. Huk had his IPL5 run, that's it. Its unfortunate because neither of them really has a shot of making it out
On December 29 2012 03:04 Havik_ wrote: Out of all the foreigners and Code B koreans they could have picked, IDK why they went with Huk. Grubby is a fan favorite although he has had even worse results than Huk recently. Gom can give seeds to whoever they please and they know people will watch Grubby. Huk though, WHY? Out of all foreigners(other than Stephano) I think Scarlett should be the top pick for a seed, Vortix has had good results in tournaments in 2012 as well, give him a chance. Huk had his IPL5 run, that's it. Its unfortunate because neither of them really has a shot of making it out
you have to keep in mind they don't want to just randomly hand out seeds to players who have to travel to korea and may or may not want to stay there for awhile. HuK has already been in korea for however long and plans to stay there for awhile apparently. It makes sense to give him a seed over scarlett or vortix because who knows if scarlett/vortix even want to stay in korea. GSL is a league where you really need to be in korea for awhile to do well because of how difficult it is to prepare for opponents. Players who try to just fly in and compete, korean or not, rarely tend to do well
Jaedong & Flash, mwahahaha! I think Grubby will do alright, maybe not make it but get close to. HuK, I want to believe, but I haven't seen much from him recently, hopefully that changes though.
On December 29 2012 03:04 Havik_ wrote: Out of all the foreigners and Code B koreans they could have picked, IDK why they went with Huk. Grubby is a fan favorite although he has had even worse results than Huk recently. Gom can give seeds to whoever they please and they know people will watch Grubby. Huk though, WHY? Out of all foreigners(other than Stephano) I think Scarlett should be the top pick for a seed, Vortix has had good results in tournaments in 2012 as well, give him a chance. Huk had his IPL5 run, that's it. Its unfortunate because neither of them really has a shot of making it out
Atm i believe it is impossible for us to know if these people have been asked to or not. It is quite a commitment for someone to be in korea for a longer amount of time, so it is very possible that they have declined a seed.
Other than that, i agree that huk is a bit of a weird pick.
On December 29 2012 03:04 Havik_ wrote: Out of all the foreigners and Code B koreans they could have picked, IDK why they went with Huk. Grubby is a fan favorite although he has had even worse results than Huk recently. Gom can give seeds to whoever they please and they know people will watch Grubby. Huk though, WHY? Out of all foreigners(other than Stephano) I think Scarlett should be the top pick for a seed, Vortix has had good results in tournaments in 2012 as well, give him a chance. Huk had his IPL5 run, that's it. Its unfortunate because neither of them really has a shot of making it out
How has Grubby been doing worse than Huk? GOM doesn't hand out random seeds to the best foreigners because they probably don't want to move to Korea even if it's just temporary, it's a huge commitment as you have to stay there for a while if you are in the GSL or just practicing on the Korean server.
On December 28 2012 20:11 Elite_ wrote: Something tells me Polt got Stephano a seed to Code S by dropping out... Also Stephano confirmed for Proleague next round.
Anyways, hoping for the following:
A: MC and Jaedong B: Squirtle and TaeJa C: Anyone that isn't Bbyong or First. D: HerO and Bomber E: HuK and (Center or NesTea)
honestly DRG and First are the best players in the group.
Very surprised that so many people voted for group A, I think it's the 3rd hardest group, and D is the hardest by a mile. But I guess it does have the name power.
For everyone wondering why Grubby/Huk, I can only guess it's because Gom wants to do what they can to push more Protoss into Code S. While it wasn't all at the fault of balance or metagame, seeing 2 Protoss make it to the round of 16 was pretty sad. There are no good foreign Terrans. Stephano and Scarlett are deserving of Code S seeds, not up/down. Their options are to not provide seeds, add even more Zergs into the mix, or choose Protoss players. I think it's obvious what their choice was, and you really can't blame them...especially with how popular these two guys are. And honestly, there really aren't many players that are that much better than them.
On December 28 2012 20:11 Elite_ wrote: Something tells me Polt got Stephano a seed to Code S by dropping out... Also Stephano confirmed for Proleague next round.
Anyways, hoping for the following:
A: MC and Jaedong B: Squirtle and TaeJa C: Anyone that isn't Bbyong or First. D: HerO and Bomber E: HuK and (Center or NesTea)
honestly DRG and First are the best players in the group.
Bbyong took out First in Code A. I wouldnt count him out in that group. It will most likely be two of those three players, though.
On December 29 2012 05:37 mrjpark wrote: For everyone wondering why Grubby/Huk, I can only guess it's because Gom wants to do what they can to push more Protoss into Code S. While it wasn't all at the fault of balance or metagame, seeing 2 Protoss make it to the round of 16 was pretty sad. There are no good foreign Terrans. Stephano and Scarlett are deserving of Code S seeds, not up/down. Their options are to not provide seeds, add even more Zergs into the mix, or choose Protoss players. I think it's obvious what their choice was, and you really can't blame them...especially with how popular these two guys are. And honestly, there really aren't many players that are that much better than them.
As much as I hope they can succeed, I think it'd be a bit of an upset if Grubby or Huk got out of their groups
On December 29 2012 02:02 isaachukfan wrote: So much hate for HuK/ Grubby, Both of them have recent tournament results that back them up. HuK with 13-16 at IPL5, which is regarded as one of the most stacked tournaments in history, there he was beaten by GSL season 4 champion and GSL season 5 champion, but one hte way beat a curretn code s semi finalist, and Yoda (Code S terran), HuK also lives in Korea in a team house and can train like a korean if he wants to, last time he did that, he was Code S top 16. Grubby most recent results have been less good and his seed is probably less justified, but he has still demonstrated great play and has ridiculous experience. Yes, there are probably better players in Code B, but that could be said about most of the players in the Up and Downs, competition is fierce, deal with it. However, anyone who wins their group in an Up and Down 100% deserves code S, and if they don't, then they can prove face to face if they are better than those players who didn't make the Up and Downs. Give them a chance people.....
Now onto the groups themselves. Group A looks awesome!!!! Flash V.s. Jaedong will be absolutely insane!!!! Groups B and E have a lot of potential. Group C and D will be less entertaining but we get to see some favorites dominating (DRG, Hero, Bomber) So it will be fun. Overall, i'm glad i bought my ticket.
Huk Hwaaaiittting!!!
ROFL, Grubby finished SECOND at IEM Singapore, top 8th at HomeStory Cup (he lost to winner) ... how the f*** is Grubby's seed less justified?
No man, Huk won those all american MLG's 2 years ago, hes definitely more worthy of the seed than Grubby. lol
On December 28 2012 20:11 Elite_ wrote: Something tells me Polt got Stephano a seed to Code S by dropping out... Also Stephano confirmed for Proleague next round.
Anyways, hoping for the following:
A: MC and Jaedong B: Squirtle and TaeJa C: Anyone that isn't Bbyong or First. D: HerO and Bomber E: HuK and (Center or NesTea)
honestly DRG and First are the best players in the group.
Bbyong took out First in Code A. I wouldnt count him out in that group. It will most likely be two of those three players, though.
oh damn i didnt know that. yea i would say 2 of those 3 then
Am I the only one that HATES the fact that JD/Flash are in the same group? I don't want to see one of them get eliminated, which, when they are in the same group, there is a lot higher chance of...
Anyways, lots of people I want to qualify JD/Flash Shine/Squirtle Symbol/Grubby Bomber/Genius NesTea/Center
I know most of these won't qualify, but I have faith! FIGHTING!
I posted this poll in the LR when we found out both Jaedong and Flash were going to be in the up and downs and surprisingly people voted that they didn't want them both to be in the same group (although the number of votes wasn't too high) + Show Spoiler [Poll from Code A Ro24 LR] +
Poll: Would you want Flash and Jaedong in the same U&D group?
No (26)
58%
Yes (19)
42%
45 total votes
Your vote: Would you want Flash and Jaedong in the same U&D group?
On December 29 2012 07:06 Shellshock1122 wrote: I posted this poll in the LR when we found out both Jaedong and Flash were going to be in the up and downs and surprisingly people voted that they didn't want them both to be in the same group (although the number of votes wasn't too high) + Show Spoiler [Poll from Code A Ro24 LR] +
Poll: Would you want Flash and Jaedong in the same U&D group?
No (26)
58%
Yes (19)
42%
45 total votes
Your vote: Would you want Flash and Jaedong in the same U&D group?
Considering this is one of the last chances to see them go head to head in WoL then yes I want them in same up/down group. Plus JD is a favorite to make it out of his group either way so im good with it.
hero going to spank his group <3 also it would be totally sick to see grubby in code s, failing that it would be cool to see him cast some. He has a pretty tough group though. So many zergs T.T
Grubby and Huk got like 5% chance of making it out of the group.
you mean 5% chance of winning a game?
I dno to me Grubby's got as big a shot of making it out than any other player here. He's in really good shape at the moment and even Huk couldn't have asked for a better group, just one Zerg and Nestea isn't exactly the big abuser of Zerg. Players like Grubby and Stephano are the foreign players that actually could be able to take a GSL one day, not at this moment though.
want: Jaedong, Flash. Wouldn't mind MC or YongHwa either Squirtle, TaeJa. Overall pretty weak group. Grubby, DongRaeGu. Tough for Grubby ByuN, Genius. Won't be easy for ByuN Fantasy, NesTea. finale is cool too.
On December 28 2012 20:11 Elite_ wrote: Something tells me Polt got Stephano a seed to Code S by dropping out... Also Stephano confirmed for Proleague next round.
Anyways, hoping for the following:
A: MC and Jaedong B: Squirtle and TaeJa C: Anyone that isn't Bbyong or First. D: HerO and Bomber E: HuK and (Center or NesTea)
honestly DRG and First are the best players in the group.
HuK got to the finals of his Code A Preliminary bracket last season... and he was one of the three highest placing foreigners at IPL5... Him, XiGua, and someone else got top 16... and he lives in Korea...
There's a couple reasons that might be why he got a seed.
On December 28 2012 20:11 Elite_ wrote: Something tells me Polt got Stephano a seed to Code S by dropping out... Also Stephano confirmed for Proleague next round.
Anyways, hoping for the following:
A: MC and Jaedong B: Squirtle and TaeJa C: Anyone that isn't Bbyong or First. D: HerO and Bomber E: HuK and (Center or NesTea)
honestly DRG and First are the best players in the group.
bbyong > first imho
By far.
depends, first has shown incredible pvt before, but atm, yes, bbyong > first
Good god, group A... YongHwa, MC, JD, AND flash? Tough group to call. I want flash and JD to make it, but I think it is going to end up being flash and YongHwa.
Group B - Taeja and squirtle Group C - Bbyong and DRG imo. Symbol is in a big big slump. Group D - Interesting group, probably HerO and sOs? Group E - Sorry huk, Nestea and Fantasy making it out of this one
On an aside, annoying having to click names to see if its the ESF player or the KeSPA player lol
A: Yonghwa Flash B: Taeja Squirtle is the obvious pick, but they both have come down pretty hard from the peak they were at like 6 months ago. I think shine will sneak through at the expense of one of them, but I'm not sure who. C: Some combination of two zergs to advance; Grubby to not place last. D: Bomber HerO E: Fantasy Nestea; Huk to place last.
Group A: Flash looks like he got a favorable draw with just 1 TvT. I think he will get out with YongHwa
Group B: TaeJa has been playing well lately so he'll get out in first probably. Second place, I guess on paper it should be Squirtle but he's been kind of up and down lately. I'm going to take a risk and say Dream finds a way through this group.
Group C: I'd like to see Grubby somehow pull the upset off here because that would be awesome. However, I think this group will end up with DongRaeGu and Bbyong advancing to Code S
Group D: This is the hardest group to call for me because I think any of the players could make it to code S depending on how they come out. I hope ByuN and Bomber but i think it'll end up being HerO + 1 other
Group E: I hope it's Center and Fantasy. Go Terran
On December 30 2012 01:36 TheRabidDeer wrote: Group C - Bbyong and DRG imo. Symbol is in a big big slump.
Are you fucking crazy? That hard killer just got second at home story cup six. Sure, you can say "oh he got swept four zero by a foreigner" in the finals, but this is 1. zvz we're talking about, where the top players in the world are all so close they trade games like crazy (drg, leenock, life, and sniper have all stomped each other into the ground at various points over the past four months, nobody's consistently won), 2. snute also took life out of ipl5. LIFE. you can say he also dropped out of code s in the round of sixteen after getting into the round of eight twice in a row, but uhh, that's kind of acceptable given that he was in a group with leenock and life, (and soulkey, who demolished life [need I repeat? LIFE]).
Not that I think he's necessarily going to get out of the group (all of these groups except for group e look absolutely murderous), but you'd have to be insane to think he's in a slump.
On December 30 2012 01:36 TheRabidDeer wrote: Group C - Bbyong and DRG imo. Symbol is in a big big slump.
Are you fucking crazy? That hard killer just got second at home story cup six.
>_> Not to TaKe anything away from HSC, but it's not exactly a major tournament. The players are obviously having fun hanging out and playing some games, but to claim getting second place there makes you a "hard killer", come on now.
On December 30 2012 01:36 TheRabidDeer wrote: Group C - Bbyong and DRG imo. Symbol is in a big big slump.
Are you fucking crazy? That hard killer just got second at home story cup six. Sure, you can say "oh he got swept four zero by a foreigner" in the finals, but this is 1. zvz we're talking about, where the top players in the world are all so close they trade games like crazy (drg, leenock, life, and sniper have all stomped each other into the ground at various points over the past four months, nobody's consistently won), 2. snute also took life out of ipl5. LIFE. you can say he also dropped out of code s in the round of sixteen after getting into the round of eight twice in a row, but uhh, that's kind of acceptable given that he was in a group with leenock and life, (and soulkey, who demolished life [need I repeat? LIFE]).
Not that I think he's necessarily going to get out of the group (all of these groups except for group e look absolutely murderous), but you'd have to be insane to think he's in a slump.
??, none of the players played that well in hsc6, not even the koreans because they were all having fun, DRG and bbyong is better than symbol atm
On December 30 2012 08:50 TheLetterQ wrote: A: Yonghwa Flash B: Taeja Squirtle is the obvious pick, but they both have come down pretty hard from the peak they were at like 6 months ago. I think shine will sneak through at the expense of one of them, but I'm not sure who. C: Some combination of two zergs to advance; Grubby to not place last. D: Bomber HerO E: Fantasy Nestea; Huk to place last.
On December 30 2012 08:50 TheLetterQ wrote: A: Yonghwa Flash B: Taeja Squirtle is the obvious pick, but they both have come down pretty hard from the peak they were at like 6 months ago. I think shine will sneak through at the expense of one of them, but I'm not sure who. C: Some combination of two zergs to advance; Grubby to not place last. D: Bomber HerO E: Fantasy Nestea; Huk to place last.
On December 31 2012 08:18 SCII-ALI wrote: lol, so funny that poeple vote group A as group of death just because jaedong & flash is in it, when true group of death is group C
On December 31 2012 08:18 SCII-ALI wrote: lol, so funny that poeple vote group A as group of death just because jaedong & flash is in it, when true group of death is group C
i reckon D is a bit stronger than C
D is the group with the most potential. it depends on who shows up since half those players are super inconsistent
On December 30 2012 01:36 TheRabidDeer wrote: Group C - Bbyong and DRG imo. Symbol is in a big big slump.
Are you fucking crazy? That hard killer just got second at home story cup six. Sure, you can say "oh he got swept four zero by a foreigner" in the finals, but this is 1. zvz we're talking about, where the top players in the world are all so close they trade games like crazy (drg, leenock, life, and sniper have all stomped each other into the ground at various points over the past four months, nobody's consistently won), 2. snute also took life out of ipl5. LIFE. you can say he also dropped out of code s in the round of sixteen after getting into the round of eight twice in a row, but uhh, that's kind of acceptable given that he was in a group with leenock and life, (and soulkey, who demolished life [need I repeat? LIFE]).
Not that I think he's necessarily going to get out of the group (all of these groups except for group e look absolutely murderous), but you'd have to be insane to think he's in a slump.
1) Symbol's ZvZ is by FAR his weakest matchup, and hes going against powerhouse ZvZ players Losira and DRG. DRG is doing really well at the moment and Symbol has only begun a potential recovery. He will lose to DRG and struggle against Losira 2) Bbyong is a beast and hes not afraid to do really risky strategies, and Symbol may not be prepared for it. ZvT is Symbol's strongest matchup so this will be the one to watch. I think this one may be the match that decides if Bbyong gets out first or second in the group. 3) Sniper, DRG, Leenock and Life are all powerhouse zergs, soulkey is insane as well. All of them have above a 60% winrate in ZvZ so it is expected that they would trade blows. Symbols ZvZ is below 50%. 4) Life is young and travel is probably very different for him. Not to take anything away from Snute, because hes incredible, but if Snute went to the GSL I dont think he could beat Life. 5) Symbol is recovering from a slump, with any luck he is coming out of that valley from his peak.
Grubby, sure. But doesn't Huk just talk about how he's lost a bit of passion and wants a break or something? Should they be plugging in someone so apathetic into the best SC2 tournament?
Who else thinks neither Flash nor Jaedong will make it through haha
On December 31 2012 10:43 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Grubby, sure. But doesn't Huk just talk about how he's lost a bit of passion and wants a break or something? Should they be plugging in someone so apathetic into the best SC2 tournament?
Who else thinks neither Flash nor Jaedong will make it through haha
I know Flash is usually better when hes able to prepare for a single opponent, but I still think he will make it through. He has been boss lately.
On December 30 2012 08:50 TheLetterQ wrote: A: Yonghwa Flash B: Taeja Squirtle is the obvious pick, but they both have come down pretty hard from the peak they were at like 6 months ago. I think shine will sneak through at the expense of one of them, but I'm not sure who. C: Some combination of two zergs to advance; Grubby to not place last. D: Bomber HerO E: Fantasy Nestea; Huk to place last.
Shine? No way
It is more my lack of faith in Taeja and Squirtle than my faith in Shine. Dream is another sleeper candidate to make it through, but I am picking Shine over him as I have heard that zerg is pretty good.
IMO, they should have put Flash and Jaedong in separate groups (yes, even if it's normally random).
A lot of tournaments do this but sometimes, they put favorite players on the opposite sides of the bracket or in separate groups so they can meet in the finals (instead of knocking each other out in the first round).
Do random, if you notice two or more fan favorites in the group, random it again until they're on the opposite side! (Inb4 that's cheating >.>. Still though, it adds more hype if it ends up working, them meeting in the finals instead of knocking each other out in the early stages. And hype... adds more entertainment and that strengthens and helps keeps the eSports alive.)
I want Jaedong and Flash to make it but the odds are really low with them being in the same group + only the top 2 get it.
That means Jaedong and Flash have to both be top of their group (one of them has to be top #1 and the other #2, but if they were in separate groups, they could both be just 2nd in the group and still make it).
On December 31 2012 12:45 Goldfish wrote: IMO, they should have put Flash and Jaedong in separate groups (yes, even if it's normally random).
A lot of tournaments do this but sometimes, they put favorite players on the opposite sides of the bracket or in separate groups so they can meet in the finals (instead of knocking each other out in the first round).
Do random, if you notice two or more fan favorites in the group, random it again until they're on the opposite side! (Inb4 that's cheating >.>. Still though, it adds more hype if it ends up working, them meeting in the finals instead of knocking each other out in the early stages. And hype... adds more entertainment and that strengthens and helps keeps the eSports alive.)
I want Jaedong and Flash to make it but the odds are really low with them being in the same group + only the top 2 get it.
That means Jaedong and Flash have to both be top of their group (one of them has to be top #1 and the other #2, but if they were in separate groups, they could both be just 2nd in the group and still make it).
So you admit its cheating and yet you still want it done? It's too bad they got the in the same group but changing it again would be unfair and can you imagine the reputation hit they would have if this stuff ever got found out?
On December 31 2012 12:45 Goldfish wrote: IMO, they should have put Flash and Jaedong in separate groups (yes, even if it's normally random).
A lot of tournaments do this but sometimes, they put favorite players on the opposite sides of the bracket or in separate groups so they can meet in the finals (instead of knocking each other out in the first round).
Do random, if you notice two or more fan favorites in the group, random it again until they're on the opposite side! (Inb4 that's cheating >.>. Still though, it adds more hype if it ends up working, them meeting in the finals instead of knocking each other out in the early stages. And hype... adds more entertainment and that strengthens and helps keeps the eSports alive.)
I want Jaedong and Flash to make it but the odds are really low with them being in the same group + only the top 2 get it.
That means Jaedong and Flash have to both be top of their group (one of them has to be top #1 and the other #2, but if they were in separate groups, they could both be just 2nd in the group and still make it).
you say that like there would be any chance of flash and jaedong making it to the finals of this season. rofl.
I wish the Up and Down groups would come sooner. I got used to the over-saturated SC2 schedule of 2012 and so I feel lost this week with only PL to turn to.
On January 01 2013 00:33 Sumahi wrote: I wish the Up and Down groups would come sooner. I got used to the over-saturated SC2 schedule of 2012 and so I feel lost this week with only PL to turn to.
same, past few weeks have been great for us startale fans, but now theres nothing to watch and its really fucking me over mentally and physically
LG-IM has a player in almost everyone of the up-down groups. That's the mark of an awesome team right there. I really hope Yoda/Happy get out though, those two are just so educational to watch.
On January 02 2013 16:02 Kraidio wrote: LG-IM has a player in almost everyone of the up-down groups. That's the mark of an awesome team right there. I really hope Yoda/Happy get out though, those two are just so educational to watch.
mark of an awesome team is not the number of players in ups/downs, its the number of players in code S.
according to my sources the 11th of jan will be a wild card match day. code S starts on the 22nd of jan, GSTL on the 5th of feb! code S finals on march 9!
On January 02 2013 22:30 opterown wrote: according to my sources the 11th of jan will be a wild card match day. code S starts on the 22nd of jan, GSTL on the 5th of feb! code S finals on march 9!
could you please be so kind and elaborate on what that means?
On January 02 2013 22:30 opterown wrote: according to my sources the 11th of jan will be a wild card match day. code S starts on the 22nd of jan, GSTL on the 5th of feb! code S finals on march 9!
could you please be so kind and elaborate on what that means?
On January 02 2013 22:30 opterown wrote: according to my sources the 11th of jan will be a wild card match day. code S starts on the 22nd of jan, GSTL on the 5th of feb! code S finals on march 9!
could you please be so kind and elaborate on what that means?
probably for polt's seed
Would make sense. WCs are people who got third place in groups, I assume? That'd be fair
On January 02 2013 22:30 opterown wrote: according to my sources the 11th of jan will be a wild card match day. code S starts on the 22nd of jan, GSTL on the 5th of feb! code S finals on march 9!
could you please be so kind and elaborate on what that means?
A wildcard slot is an additional route of qualifying for code S in the event someone else forfeits their code S spot. In this case, I believe Polt is leaving to go to the US so I'd imagine the wildcard tournament will consist of failed up/down players. Winner gets code S
On January 02 2013 22:30 opterown wrote: according to my sources the 11th of jan will be a wild card match day. code S starts on the 22nd of jan, GSTL on the 5th of feb! code S finals on march 9!
could you please be so kind and elaborate on what that means?
probably for polt's seed
ah yeah, that makes sense. probably just gonna take the 3rd (and maybe 4th) place finishers of the up&down groups, i guess?
On January 02 2013 22:30 opterown wrote: according to my sources the 11th of jan will be a wild card match day. code S starts on the 22nd of jan, GSTL on the 5th of feb! code S finals on march 9!
could you please be so kind and elaborate on what that means?
probably for polt's seed
ah yeah, that makes sense. probably just gonna take the 3rd (and maybe 4th) place finishers of the up&down groups, i guess?
not quite sure of the exact details, but i assume so
On January 02 2013 16:02 Kraidio wrote: LG-IM has a player in almost everyone of the up-down groups. That's the mark of an awesome team right there. I really hope Yoda/Happy get out though, those two are just so educational to watch.
There is at least one LG-IM player in every group. A: Yoda, Yonghwa B: Happy C: Losira, First D: ByuL E: Nestea Imo out of all LG-IM players Yonghwa and First have the highest chances to get into Code S.
On December 28 2012 17:28 heyoka wrote: Jaedong and Flash haha, that owns. These groups get harder every season.
That group is terrifying. Can't wait for those two to hash it out.
Don´t forget about MC, he is in a slump but he cannot be underestimated never ever ever. He is the richest SC2 progamer based in tournaments winnings no small feat.
For 2013 GSL Season 1, this format has been changed a little bit. Polt has forfeited his spot in Code S due to his leaving South Korea for the United States. That spot has been filled by EG_Stephano (Ilyes Satouri).
As for the last 2 spots in Code S...
We are happy to announce that we are introducing a Wild Card Group in our Up&Down Matches!
If you kept seeing your favorite players take 3rd place over and over in the Up&Down Matches, they will now have a chance to advance to Code S!
The 3rd place finishers of each Up&Down Group (A-E) will be placed into the Wild Card Group (5 players) where they will have one more chance to move on. The format for the Wild Card Group will be exactly the same as the Up&Down Groups.
For 2013 GSL Season 1, this format has been changed a little bit. Polt has forfeited his spot in Code S due to his leaving South Korea for the United States. That spot has been filled by EG_Stephano (Ilyes Satouri).
As for the last 2 spots in Code S...
We are happy to announce that we are introducing a Wild Card Group in our Up&Down Matches!
If you kept seeing your favorite players take 3rd place over and over in the Up&Down Matches, they will now have a chance to advance to Code S!
The 3rd place finishers of each Up&Down Group (A-E) will be placed into the Wild Card Group (5 players) where they will have one more chance to move on. The format for the Wild Card Group will be exactly the same as the Up&Down Groups.
good shit. that means they're gonna have to have exact results for top 3 though which might make for more tiebreakers
On January 02 2013 16:02 Kraidio wrote: LG-IM has a player in almost everyone of the up-down groups. That's the mark of an awesome team right there. I really hope Yoda/Happy get out though, those two are just so educational to watch.
There is at least one LG-IM player in every group. A: Yoda, Yonghwa B: Happy C: Losira, First D: ByuL E: Nestea Imo out of all LG-IM players Yonghwa and First have the highest chances to get into Code S.
Totally agree with that assessment. I think they all have a shot at it, but Byul is the one I'm looking forward to seeing in action the most - I really hope he can demonstrate some more IM quality Zerg play.
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