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Duval
Belgium144 Posts
On December 24 2012 11:08 dynwar7 wrote: Yeah....tanks deal massive FF.....storm? Not so much. Its a little unfair, Banelings and fungal should have FF too, so Zergs have to be more careful using them. Please, read the thread or AT LEAST the page you're posting on.... | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On December 24 2012 11:08 dynwar7 wrote: Yeah....tanks deal massive FF.....storm? Not so much. Its a little unfair, Banelings and fungal should have FF too, so Zergs have to be more careful using them. Careful in like never using them at all? Giving banelings FF would break the unit, think people. | ||
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MateShade
Australia736 Posts
On December 24 2012 07:27 Blargh wrote: By the way, using "FF" as an abbreviation for "Friendly Fire" is sort of annoying because so many people are used to it being "Force Field". Not really a big deal, just was confusing for the first 3 times I saw it. Anyway, tanks and friendly fire vs zerg is actually pretty stupid. Either make it so more things have a friendly fire mechanic (ultras splash damage, for instance?) or make tanks have an upgrade that removes/nullifies friendly fire. If you remember campaign (if you played it)... there was an upgrade you could get for tanks that made friendly fire much less. In fact, there were about 10 upgrades that would add a lot more depth and actually be good changes if Blizzard implemented them. More upgrades = more choices = better game. I don't agree with that sentiment. Starcraft has always been relatively simple. Low numbers of units, upgrades and research but incredibly diverse and hard to play. Simply adding more upgrades into the game doesn't necessarily improve the game at all | ||
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Aakoz
Sweden45 Posts
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GTPGlitch
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TAMinator
Australia2706 Posts
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cydial
United States750 Posts
Then again people like Browder and Kim balance this game based on arbitrary feelings and their own diamond league experience. | ||
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On December 24 2012 13:35 cydial wrote: Fungal being FF would be interesting. Then again people like Browder and Kim balance this game based on arbitrary feelings and their own diamond league experience. kim is in grandmasters, he balances. browder is in plat, he designs. you can do the math | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On December 23 2012 22:10 X3GoldDot wrote: banelings doing friendly fire will make them less useful than reapers, only banelings in large numbers are effective, also banelings introduce micro already and nerfing them will make them almost unseen Just make the banelings more powerful. Infested Terrans in BW did friendly fire as well, and when there were neutral command centers they got used. Except they did about 1000x more damage than banelings for roughly the same cost. | ||
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GeorgiusRex
Canada16 Posts
Units: Hellion, Thor (AA), Colossus, Archon, Baneling, Muta, Ultra Spells: Fungal Plan. Fort. Sources of Splash Damage with Friendly Fire: Units: Siege Tank (Siege Mode) Spells: Storm, EMP, Nuke, HSM I think that Blizzard's intent was that no unit's basic attack should do friendly fire, but rather only spells, so that you are consciously choosing to take the risk of damaging your own units, and not have them do it on their own. The one quasi-exception is the siege tank, and in this case you are accepting the risk by activating siege mode (just like activating a spell), and the unit was designed with this in mind. Even in BW (so far as I recall), the only sources of splash with friendly fire were spells, and not basic attacks (except sieged tanks and infested terrans). Every spell with splash (except Fungal) also does friendly fire; Fungal probably doesn't because it would be too damaging to lings, especially with chain fungals (30 damage per fungal, 35 health on a ling, and before patch 1.3 it was 36 damage), whereas Zealots can tank Storms. Helpful links: Liquipedia: SC2 Splash Damage Liquipedia: BW Splash Damage | ||
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MysteryMeat1
United States3292 Posts
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MaxViktory
Sweden136 Posts
One explodes then no army left. :D | ||
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B.I.G.
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
Colossus: Medium impact, because of the horizontal line which mostly hitting enemy lines perfectly to begin with. Biggest impact on Zealots and when Zerglings, ITs, Broodlings, Roaches close into the Protoss army. Archon: Big impact, would splash Zealots and other Archons. If fighting in melee range, it would splash itself. really stupid Baneling: Big impact. Chainreactions would kill all banelings if one died. The unit with its current stats would become completly useless. really stupid Infestor: Low to medium impact. If combined with a projectile (HotS) it might become extremely bad. With an instant fungal, it would mostly just mean that people had one more reason to aim very exactly. Might have some influence when combined with melee units that chase kiting opponents (zergling, baneling). Interesting in the light of wanting to nerf fungal. Mutalisk: Big impact. A Mutalisk would kill itself. probably really stupid Ultralisk: Big impact. Would splash other Ultralisks, Zerglings and Banelings and when in melee range (Ultras have 1range!) it would splash itself. really stupid Hellion: Big impact. Would kill itself faster than the units it should kill. really stupid Thor (anti air): Low impact. Would probably have the biggest impact when fighting Broodlords with Mech, as the corruptors could try to close in to draw friendly fire on the vikings. might be interesting, but seems completely unnecessary Planetary Fortress: Big impact. Would kill its mineral line or the SCVs repairing it and everything sourrounding it faster than the actual attacks. Would turn this building useless.really stupid So yeah, all in all it seems like most of the units were designed not to have friendly fire. I guess it would be interesting to test on some units (Infestor, Colossus, Thor). | ||
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ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
On December 24 2012 13:38 rysecake wrote: kim is in grandmasters, he balances. browder is in plat, he designs. you can do the math Was going to say, I was sure at least one of the two was Masters if not GM. From a HOTS perspective adding FF to Fungal seems like a premature change with all the new updates to the Infestor. It seems like a rather unnecessary complication with a large transition and new/retunring influx of players in the next six months. I was always confused as to why Colossus didn't do splash, but at this point I don't think that it would be doing balance any favors especially in PvP. Think of 10+ Colossi basically creating a death trap for chargelots and other ground units both dealing friendly damage. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
Infestor fungal ff? Yes please. Maybe not even damage the units if it's too crippling, maybe just root friendly units without damaging them? Or maybe some upgrade that stops friendly units from being damaged. But I would loooove to see this one get implemented to mix up some strategies. Thor I'm indifferent about, but then again it could open up things like corruptor bombs or something. TL;DR - I would love to see Colossus and Fungal both have friendly fire to try and mix up PvZ which I have to admit is unbearable in its current state. | ||
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rezzan
Sweden329 Posts
On December 23 2012 02:49 [O]ops wrote: I'm pretty sure plague had FF so I don't see why fungal shouldn't since most zerg armies are lings,infestor,roach/muta even hydra nowadays.. very weak units against fungle it would completely ruin the zvz matchup and also the zvT (baneling being FF fungled and insta die) its good as it is right now. should stay like this, | ||
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sorrowptoss
Canada1431 Posts
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CrtBalorda
Slovenia704 Posts
I would like to see friendly fire on collossus. That unit has helped noobs win for long enough. Everything else should be the same though. | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
Given that hellions are used primarily to harass, I think FF on them could work. They would need a slight buff to compensate. i was under the impression colossi already did FF? On December 25 2012 01:13 rezzan wrote: since most zerg armies are lings,infestor,roach/muta even hydra nowadays.. very weak units against fungle it would completely ruin the zvz matchup and also the zvT (baneling being FF fungled and insta die) its good as it is right now. should stay like this, Completely ruin? How? Good fungals might actually start standing out... | ||
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