EPT[IPL5] Naniwa's Kit Stolen - Page 10
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tMomiji
United States1115 Posts
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BluePanther
United States2776 Posts
Busting the lowlife thieves with hidden cameras and bugged keyboards. | ||
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Havik_
United States5585 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
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YyapSsap
New Zealand1511 Posts
On December 03 2012 12:59 FataLe wrote: bro the maori people of new zealand had their land 'stolen' from them, and they didn't get a thread! what gives man? Im guessing you failed your NZ history lessons.. /facepalm | ||
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tshi
United States2495 Posts
On December 03 2012 12:29 Deadeight wrote: Only TL can turn a player losing his mouse/keyboard into the worst of ethics debates. Yeah, haha. That's my thought exactly; good lord. | ||
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
On December 03 2012 00:40 foxj wrote: It's normal ethics, because you were careless and didn't take care of your own stuffs, it will be considered as your fault first. Maybe it's normal for Asian but Westerner. edit: Hope they will find out who has stolen them ~~ So like that time MC got pick pocketed was his fault? Cause some guy walked up to him and took his wallet? | ||
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Destro
Netherlands1206 Posts
Chances are it wasn't ripped from his arms, he likely left it on a table or something... being in vegas.. i can't say he isn't partly to blame.. still sucks tho | ||
Epoxide
Magic Woods9326 Posts
On December 03 2012 14:44 Havik_ wrote: What equipment was he using? He's sponsored by Mionix, so probably a Zibal 60 and IDK what the mouse would be. I'm pretty sure he uses the left DeathAdder. | ||
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m4inbrain
1505 Posts
On December 04 2012 01:01 TheRavensName wrote: So like that time MC got pick pocketed was his fault? Cause some guy walked up to him and took his wallet? Do you try to troll, or do you seriously don't get what he means? Over here in germany, if your car gets stolen because you forgot to lock it, chances are pretty good that insurance won't pay. Because it's your fault that the car got stolen. You could have done stuff (for example, locking it) to prevent it. Same for Naniwa. I did not follow the thread, if he had his stuff in a backpack on his back, it's not his fault at all. If he just threw his equipment in some corner, unwatched, it's his fault, yes. MC had his pocket picked, so it's not his fault. If he had his wallet on the table and went to the restroom, and it got stolen at THAT moment, it would be his fault, of course. It's not that hard to understand. Edit: there's a phrase: "Gelegenheit macht Diebe". Translates to "Opportunity makes a thief" or "An open door may tempt a saint". They exist for a reason. | ||
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AndyGB4
Canada156 Posts
On December 04 2012 01:08 m4inbrain wrote: Do you try to troll, or do you seriously don't get what he means? Over here in germany, if your car gets stolen because you forgot to lock it, chances are pretty good that insurance won't pay. Because it's your fault that the car got stolen. You could have done stuff (for example, locking it) to prevent it. Same for Naniwa. I did not follow the thread, if he had his stuff in a backpack on his back, it's not his fault at all. If he just threw his equipment in some corner, unwatched, it's his fault, yes. MC had his pocket picked, so it's not his fault. If he had his wallet on the table and went to the restroom, and it got stolen at THAT moment, it would be his fault, of course. It's not that hard to understand. Edit: there's a phrase: "Gelegenheit macht Diebe". Translates to "Opportunity makes a thief" or "An open door may tempt a saint". They exist for a reason. Well if it was on his back it's still his fault, because he could have put his backpack backwards and have his stuff in front of him.. Much safer. Or maybe he could have put his equipment in a vault or something. lmao, there's ALWAYS something you can do to make a situation different. Do you see how ridiculous this is getting? Seriously though... I understand that if you leave your stuff on a table unwatched, you're partially to blame for it being stolen because like you said, you're giving people the opportunity to grab it. But at the same time, for someone to take it shows that they lack morals. If I would see a bag unattended I would NEVER steal it. It just isn't right to do so. All these people blaming Naniwa are just trying to make themselves feel better, because they would probably steal the gear if they had that opportunity. So what I'm saying is, generally, bad things will happen less to those who are careful. (i.e. dont leave important objects unattended). So yeah, don't give people the opportunity to steal from you, etc. But at the same time, just because there's an opportunity to steal something, it's still NOT ok to do it. You're still in the wrong for stealing it... Anyways, we don't even know the exact scenario on how Naniwa's gear was stolen, so we can't even say who was completely at fault. If we did know how, I'm sure we would have avoided a lot of this conversation.. but hey, its TL lol It never amazes me what these threads can come to! haha | ||
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m4inbrain
1505 Posts
Your conclusion of people being thieves and blame Naniwa to make them feel better (thats actually so stupid, it does make less sense the more i think about that).. Yeah. Of course it's not okay to steal stuff. I would not do it, especially not THAT stuff. But that alone does not make you/Naniwa a victim. And yeah, i'm amazed as well. But in another direction, i guess. | ||
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RockIronrod
Australia1369 Posts
A lot of Asian countries put emphasis on personal responsibility, that if you leave yourself vulnerable to a crime, you're at least partially to blame and are looked upon as such. People really have to acknowledge that different places are, well, different. | ||
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Destro
Netherlands1206 Posts
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Crownlol
United States3726 Posts
On December 03 2012 00:15 YosHGo wrote: Now thats rly awful... However back in the day i always kept my bag with gear on me, exactly for this reason. I think this was some hater of naniwa who didnt even care about the equipment, he just wanted to fuck over with naniwa... Sounds like redditors did it :D Had to start doing this after my shit was stolen at ECL. I can't play CS with my watch on, and I had it looped around the bag tie. Maybe they stole it for the watch, but come the fuck on. | ||
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lolmlg
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itiswhatitis
United States136 Posts
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iamhope
Afghanistan51 Posts
In Brazil we learn to be smart, to adapt and to prevent stuff, because our environment ask us to. For Americans and Rich european countries, people have no big issues at all.. lol.. so they get used to live confortable. Learn to adapt wherever you are, and you won't have trouble. Yes part of the situation is his fault to have his gear stolen. If I acted correctly, I wouldn't have mine stuff stolen. | ||
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Crownlol
United States3726 Posts
On December 04 2012 02:37 iamhope wrote: You have no control over the others and the community, so you should do what you CAN. Be aware and protect your stuff. In Brazil we learn to be smart, to adapt and to prevent stuff, because our environment ask us to. For Americans and Rich european countries, people have no big issues at all.. lol.. so they get used to live confortable. Learn to adapt wherever you are, and you won't have trouble. Yes part of the situation is his fault to have his gear stolen. If I acted correctly, I wouldn't have mine stuff stolen. Wow my brain hurts. Americans have no big issues at all, Brazilians are so smart. | ||
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cost2010
Germany46 Posts
On December 04 2012 01:36 AndyGB4 wrote: Over here in germany, if your car gets stolen because you forgot to lock it, chances are pretty good that insurance won't pay. Because it's your fault that the car got stolen. You could have done stuff (for example, locking it) to prevent it. Same for Naniwa. I did not follow the thread, if he had his stuff in a backpack on his back, it's not his fault at all. If he just threw his equipment in some corner, unwatched, it's his fault, yes. Using the insurance company as a source for ethical guidelines seems somewhat weird... after all their policies are designed to turn a profit (by reducing moral hazard) and not based on any sort of "fundamental" ethical considerations about responsibility and guilt. The police would of course investigate this case as a crime and any court of law would hold the thief, not the careless owner, responsible. | ||
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