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tMomiji
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1115 Posts
December 03 2012 04:19 GMT
#181
It's a big deal and warrants a thread when it keeps him out of a tournament...
"I wonder if there is a league below copper? If so, I would like to inhabit it." -TotalBiscuit "In the event of a sudden change in cabin pressure, ROOF FLIES OFF!" -George Carlin <3 HerO <3 Kiwikaki <3 MKP
BluePanther
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2776 Posts
December 03 2012 04:48 GMT
#182
they should start a new LAN show: Bait Keyboard.

Busting the lowlife thieves with hidden cameras and bugged keyboards.
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
December 03 2012 05:44 GMT
#183
What equipment was he using? He's sponsored by Mionix, so probably a Zibal 60 and IDK what the mouse would be.
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
December 03 2012 05:48 GMT
#184
If you want people to help recover your stuff, shouldn't you tell them the make/model of the items? This seems very nonchalant.
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YyapSsap
Profile Joined September 2010
New Zealand1511 Posts
December 03 2012 06:44 GMT
#185
On December 03 2012 12:59 FataLe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 12:29 Cedstick wrote:
My friend who flew from Canada to the US for an MLG got over 2k worth of stuff stolen from his hotel room, including his passport. He didn't get a thread. Naniwa is cool and all, but this is of small worth for someone who's sponsored by a fucking gaming-gear company.

Edit: "My heart goes out to Naniwa." Really? hahahahahaha

bro the maori people of new zealand had their land 'stolen' from them, and they didn't get a thread!

what gives man?


Im guessing you failed your NZ history lessons..

/facepalm
tshi
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2495 Posts
December 03 2012 06:48 GMT
#186
On December 03 2012 12:29 Deadeight wrote:
Only TL can turn a player losing his mouse/keyboard into the worst of ethics debates.

Yeah, haha. That's my thought exactly; good lord.
scrub - inexperienced player with relatively little skill and excessive arrogance
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
December 03 2012 16:01 GMT
#187
On December 03 2012 00:40 foxj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 00:23 nimdil wrote:
On December 03 2012 00:18 Msr wrote:
That sucks, but it's most likely his own fault for getting it stolen.

Oo. So now thief is not guilty of a theft? Weird ethics.

It's normal ethics, because you were careless and didn't take care of your own stuffs, it will be considered as your fault first. Maybe it's normal for Asian but Westerner.

edit: Hope they will find out who has stolen them ~~


So like that time MC got pick pocketed was his fault? Cause some guy walked up to him and took his wallet?
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
Destro
Profile Joined September 2009
Netherlands1206 Posts
December 03 2012 16:04 GMT
#188
On December 03 2012 00:23 Kluey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 00:18 Msr wrote:
That sucks, but it's most likely his own fault for getting it stolen.


... You've got to be kidding me.


Chances are it wasn't ripped from his arms, he likely left it on a table or something... being in vegas.. i can't say he isn't partly to blame..

still sucks tho
bring back weapon of choice for hots!
Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
December 03 2012 16:07 GMT
#189
On December 03 2012 14:44 Havik_ wrote:
What equipment was he using? He's sponsored by Mionix, so probably a Zibal 60 and IDK what the mouse would be.

I'm pretty sure he uses the left DeathAdder.
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m4inbrain
Profile Joined November 2011
1505 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 16:21:03
December 03 2012 16:08 GMT
#190
On December 04 2012 01:01 TheRavensName wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 00:40 foxj wrote:
On December 03 2012 00:23 nimdil wrote:
On December 03 2012 00:18 Msr wrote:
That sucks, but it's most likely his own fault for getting it stolen.

Oo. So now thief is not guilty of a theft? Weird ethics.

It's normal ethics, because you were careless and didn't take care of your own stuffs, it will be considered as your fault first. Maybe it's normal for Asian but Westerner.

edit: Hope they will find out who has stolen them ~~


So like that time MC got pick pocketed was his fault? Cause some guy walked up to him and took his wallet?


Do you try to troll, or do you seriously don't get what he means?

Over here in germany, if your car gets stolen because you forgot to lock it, chances are pretty good that insurance won't pay. Because it's your fault that the car got stolen. You could have done stuff (for example, locking it) to prevent it. Same for Naniwa. I did not follow the thread, if he had his stuff in a backpack on his back, it's not his fault at all. If he just threw his equipment in some corner, unwatched, it's his fault, yes.

MC had his pocket picked, so it's not his fault. If he had his wallet on the table and went to the restroom, and it got stolen at THAT moment, it would be his fault, of course.

It's not that hard to understand.

Edit: there's a phrase: "Gelegenheit macht Diebe". Translates to "Opportunity makes a thief" or "An open door may tempt a saint". They exist for a reason.
AndyGB4
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada156 Posts
December 03 2012 16:36 GMT
#191
On December 04 2012 01:08 m4inbrain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 01:01 TheRavensName wrote:
On December 03 2012 00:40 foxj wrote:
On December 03 2012 00:23 nimdil wrote:
On December 03 2012 00:18 Msr wrote:
That sucks, but it's most likely his own fault for getting it stolen.

Oo. So now thief is not guilty of a theft? Weird ethics.

It's normal ethics, because you were careless and didn't take care of your own stuffs, it will be considered as your fault first. Maybe it's normal for Asian but Westerner.

edit: Hope they will find out who has stolen them ~~


So like that time MC got pick pocketed was his fault? Cause some guy walked up to him and took his wallet?


Do you try to troll, or do you seriously don't get what he means?

Over here in germany, if your car gets stolen because you forgot to lock it, chances are pretty good that insurance won't pay. Because it's your fault that the car got stolen. You could have done stuff (for example, locking it) to prevent it. Same for Naniwa. I did not follow the thread, if he had his stuff in a backpack on his back, it's not his fault at all. If he just threw his equipment in some corner, unwatched, it's his fault, yes.

MC had his pocket picked, so it's not his fault. If he had his wallet on the table and went to the restroom, and it got stolen at THAT moment, it would be his fault, of course.

It's not that hard to understand.

Edit: there's a phrase: "Gelegenheit macht Diebe". Translates to "Opportunity makes a thief" or "An open door may tempt a saint". They exist for a reason.


Well if it was on his back it's still his fault, because he could have put his backpack backwards and have his stuff in front of him.. Much safer. Or maybe he could have put his equipment in a vault or something. lmao, there's ALWAYS something you can do to make a situation different. Do you see how ridiculous this is getting?

Seriously though...

I understand that if you leave your stuff on a table unwatched, you're partially to blame for it being stolen because like you said, you're giving people the opportunity to grab it. But at the same time, for someone to take it shows that they lack morals. If I would see a bag unattended I would NEVER steal it. It just isn't right to do so.

All these people blaming Naniwa are just trying to make themselves feel better, because they would probably steal the gear if they had that opportunity.

So what I'm saying is, generally, bad things will happen less to those who are careful. (i.e. dont leave important objects unattended). So yeah, don't give people the opportunity to steal from you, etc. But at the same time, just because there's an opportunity to steal something, it's still NOT ok to do it. You're still in the wrong for stealing it...

Anyways, we don't even know the exact scenario on how Naniwa's gear was stolen, so we can't even say who was completely at fault. If we did know how, I'm sure we would have avoided a lot of this conversation.. but hey, its TL lol

It never amazes me what these threads can come to! haha
m4inbrain
Profile Joined November 2011
1505 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 16:48:21
December 03 2012 16:47 GMT
#192
Your first part is just you being stupid/"funny". Come on. I don't see how ridiculous this is getting, because it does not need to be. You just need to "not invite" someone to steal your stuff. Of course i can use a razor or something to rip your backpack open and steal everything that falls out, but that means, i had the intention to do so. I'm not someone just walking by, seeing stuff lying there, and took it with me. That's what you need to do, it's even reglemented by laws. Im blown away by the infantile answers people get when they say that Naniwa could(!) very well be the one to blame.

Your conclusion of people being thieves and blame Naniwa to make them feel better (thats actually so stupid, it does make less sense the more i think about that).. Yeah.

Of course it's not okay to steal stuff. I would not do it, especially not THAT stuff. But that alone does not make you/Naniwa a victim.

And yeah, i'm amazed as well. But in another direction, i guess.
RockIronrod
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia1369 Posts
December 03 2012 17:09 GMT
#193
This whole ethics debate could just be summed up with "cultures are different."
A lot of Asian countries put emphasis on personal responsibility, that if you leave yourself vulnerable to a crime, you're at least partially to blame and are looked upon as such.
People really have to acknowledge that different places are, well, different.
Destro
Profile Joined September 2009
Netherlands1206 Posts
December 03 2012 17:18 GMT
#194
its vegas... hold onto your shit, or else lose it.
bring back weapon of choice for hots!
Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
December 03 2012 17:19 GMT
#195
On December 03 2012 00:15 YosHGo wrote:
Now thats rly awful... However back in the day i always kept my bag with gear on me, exactly for this reason. I think this was some hater of naniwa who didnt even care about the equipment, he just wanted to fuck over with naniwa... Sounds like redditors did it :D



Had to start doing this after my shit was stolen at ECL. I can't play CS with my watch on, and I had it looped around the bag tie. Maybe they stole it for the watch, but come the fuck on.
shaGuar :: elemeNt :: XeqtR :: naikon :: method
lolmlg
Profile Joined November 2011
619 Posts
December 03 2012 17:28 GMT
#196
"Naniwa could have done something to prevent this from happening" is in no way equivalent to "it's Naniwa's fault" and anyone who would suggest that those two things are equivalent is as morally deficient as the thief.
itiswhatitis
Profile Joined February 2011
United States136 Posts
December 03 2012 17:34 GMT
#197
Love all the absolutes in here. "If you have this opinion, you are morally deficient!!" "If you think this way, you are too stupid to live." ... All too common on the internet, completely defining a person in your own mind based on one comment you didn't happen to agree with. The morals and ethics of the situation are obviously complicated, but I really think it's a bit silly to make these statements like, if you think this one thing I don't agree with, you have no worth as a human being...
"The bad artists imitate. The great artists steal." -itiswhatitis
iamhope
Profile Joined September 2010
Afghanistan51 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 17:39:03
December 03 2012 17:37 GMT
#198
You have no control over the others and the community, so you should do what you CAN. Be aware and protect your stuff.

In Brazil we learn to be smart, to adapt and to prevent stuff, because our environment ask us to.

For Americans and Rich european countries, people have no big issues at all.. lol.. so they get used to live confortable. Learn to adapt wherever you are, and you won't have trouble.

Yes part of the situation is his fault to have his gear stolen. If I acted correctly, I wouldn't have mine stuff stolen.
yae
Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
December 03 2012 17:56 GMT
#199
On December 04 2012 02:37 iamhope wrote:
You have no control over the others and the community, so you should do what you CAN. Be aware and protect your stuff.

In Brazil we learn to be smart, to adapt and to prevent stuff, because our environment ask us to.

For Americans and Rich european countries, people have no big issues at all.. lol.. so they get used to live confortable. Learn to adapt wherever you are, and you won't have trouble.

Yes part of the situation is his fault to have his gear stolen. If I acted correctly, I wouldn't have mine stuff stolen.



Wow my brain hurts. Americans have no big issues at all, Brazilians are so smart.
shaGuar :: elemeNt :: XeqtR :: naikon :: method
cost2010
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany46 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 17:59:36
December 03 2012 17:57 GMT
#200
On December 04 2012 01:36 AndyGB4 wrote:

Over here in germany, if your car gets stolen because you forgot to lock it, chances are pretty good that insurance won't pay. Because it's your fault that the car got stolen. You could have done stuff (for example, locking it) to prevent it. Same for Naniwa. I did not follow the thread, if he had his stuff in a backpack on his back, it's not his fault at all. If he just threw his equipment in some corner, unwatched, it's his fault, yes.

Using the insurance company as a source for ethical guidelines seems somewhat weird... after all their policies are designed to turn a profit (by reducing moral hazard) and not based on any sort of "fundamental" ethical considerations about responsibility and guilt.

The police would of course investigate this case as a crime and any court of law would hold the thief, not the careless owner,
responsible.
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