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Edmon
United Kingdom259 Posts
I hope that it's just been misplaced. But if it's been stolen (seems very likely), this is pretty low and I hope the person who did it is caught. No-one deserves to have their keyboard/mouse stolen. It's not even about the money, it's about the comfort of the kit your used to. >_> "My stuff got stolen" -NaNiwa https://twitter.com/NaNiwaSC2 | ||
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Al Bundy
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Warzilla
Czech Republic311 Posts
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Edmon
United Kingdom259 Posts
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LOLItsRyann
England551 Posts
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Msr
Korea (South)495 Posts
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
Here's to its safe return. | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
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Kluey
Canada1197 Posts
On December 03 2012 00:18 Msr wrote: That sucks, but it's most likely his own fault for getting it stolen. ... You've got to be kidding me. | ||
nimdil
Poland3751 Posts
On December 03 2012 00:18 Msr wrote: That sucks, but it's most likely his own fault for getting it stolen. Oo. So now thief is not guilty of a theft? Weird ethics. | ||
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netherDrake
Singapore1831 Posts
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LunarC
United States1186 Posts
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covetousrat
2109 Posts
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On December 03 2012 00:18 Acritter wrote: We're not sure if it's stolen, so that title is a little off-color. Here's to its safe return. He said himself on twitter it was stolen. | ||
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iKill
Denmark861 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + after all, he'll need a new kit  | ||
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Dexington
Canada7276 Posts
Unless someone stole it from him as he was wearing his gear, then my point is moot. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
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WikidSik
Canada382 Posts
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Finnz
United Kingdom260 Posts
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Taefox
1533 Posts
On December 03 2012 00:23 nimdil wrote: Oo. So now thief is not guilty of a theft? Weird ethics. It's normal ethics, because you were careless and didn't take care of your own stuffs, it will be considered as your fault first. Maybe it's normal for Asian but Westerner. edit: Hope they will find out who has stolen them ~~ | ||
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Glioburd
France1911 Posts
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Dbla08
United States211 Posts
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S_SienZ
1878 Posts
On December 03 2012 00:45 Dbla08 wrote: some people without any guiding ethics *cough*msr*cough* are full of shit, that's a cop out to not care about people's stuff and i'm willing to bet those people haven't ever had something valuable stolen from them. if you set something down, turn to sign something, and turn back and you're shit's gone, that's just people being thieves and it's not justifiable. on a side note, i agree with the very archaic way of dealing with thieves, cut their hands off. lol ok. How "ethical" of you. | ||
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KawaiiRice
United States2914 Posts
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BlueLanterna
291 Posts
On December 03 2012 00:40 foxj wrote: It's normal ethics, because you were careless and didn't take care of your own stuffs, it will be considered as your fault first. Maybe it's normal for Asian but Westerner. edit: Hope they will find out who has stolen them ~~ XD "normal" ethics is not blaming a victim when something bad has happened to them like a theft, you don't know of any of the specific circumstances and you're making stupid assumptions. | ||
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S_SienZ
1878 Posts
On December 03 2012 00:51 BlueLanterna wrote: XD "normal" ethics is not blaming a victim when something bad has happened to them like a theft, you don't know of any of the specific circumstances and you're making stupid assumptions. Isn't assuming it was a theft equally presumptive? How many of us here were actually there? | ||
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
On December 03 2012 00:13 Al Bundy wrote: Not sure if it deserves a thread but hey what do I know it really doesn't but Naniwa is one my favorite protoss players. | ||
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-Kyo-
Japan1926 Posts
On December 03 2012 00:40 foxj wrote: It's normal ethics, because you were careless and didn't take care of your own stuffs, it will be considered as your fault first. Maybe it's normal for Asian but Westerner. edit: Hope they will find out who has stolen them ~~ Yeah, I don't think you have any clue of ethical theory if you think it's "normal" for the victim to be the person at fault. I can't think of a single ethics viewpoint that paints a victim at fault. What you're claiming is synonymous to Fox news claiming that the person who got raped was asking to get raped for x reason. Which makes zero sense because regardless of the means to which the rape occurred... the person was still raped.. The word itself is literally victimization. Being stolen from literally means you are the victim and hence it cannot be your fault. I mean, unless you want to change the linguistics and connotations to words your argument seems pretty illogical. That all said, hopefully he does get his stuff back. It can be really troublesome to deal with this sort of thing in a pressured environment, especially when the other sets for WC are tonight. ;~; | ||
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Proseat
Germany5113 Posts
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dde
Canada796 Posts
On December 03 2012 00:54 -Kyo- wrote: Yeah, I don't think you have any clue of ethical theory if you think it's "normal" for the victim to be the person at fault. I can't think of a single ethics viewpoint that paints a victim at fault. What you're claiming is synonymous to Fox news claiming that the person who got raped was asking to get raped for x reason. Which makes zero sense because regardless of the means to which the rape occurred... the person was still raped.. The word itself is literally victimization. Being stolen from literally means you are the victim and hence it cannot be your fault. I mean, unless you want to change the linguistics and connotations to words your argument seems pretty illogical. That all said, hopefully he does get his stuff back. It can be really troublesome to deal with this sort of thing in a pressured environment, especially when the other sets for WC are tonight. ;~; rape and lost property that can easily be protected is totally different. If he kept him with him no one coulda stole it i think thats what he meant. | ||
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Tennoji
78 Posts
On December 03 2012 00:45 Dbla08 wrote: some people without any guiding ethics *cough*msr*cough* are full of shit, that's a cop out to not care about people's stuff and i'm willing to bet those people haven't ever had something valuable stolen from them. if you set something down, turn to sign something, and turn back and you're shit's gone, that's just people being thieves and it's not justifiable. on a side note, i agree with the very archaic way of dealing with thieves, cut their hands off. You are probably right, those people never had anything valuable stolen from them... But that's just because they are watching their valuables, thanks for proving their point... | ||
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S_SienZ
1878 Posts
On December 03 2012 00:54 -Kyo- wrote: Being stolen from literally means you are the victim and hence it cannot be your fault. So if I leave my debit card in a card machine by accident and walk off, and the store keeper takes it, I'm not even partially at fault? Even if you'd argue I'm not at fault in the focal sense of the word, it would still be fucking stupid on my part. The victim can never be guilty, but sometimes you are partially responsible for getting yourself into certain situations. On December 03 2012 00:56 dde wrote: rape and lost property that can easily be protected is totally different. If he kept him with him no one coulda stole it i think thats what he meant. Exactly. | ||
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Lysenko
Iceland2128 Posts
And as for people saying they think it's his fault, absent information about the precise specifics of what happened, you can't argue that. | ||
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Al Bundy
7257 Posts
On December 03 2012 00:53 HeeroFX wrote: it really doesn't but Naniwa is one my favorite protoss players. He's one of my favorites too  Very unfortunate situation  | ||
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Stress
United States980 Posts
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Mikau
Netherlands1446 Posts
On December 03 2012 00:53 S_SienZ wrote: Isn't assuming it was a theft equally presumptive? How many of us here were actually there? Naniwa himself said it was stolen. How is taking the word of someone who actually was there presumptive? | ||
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Taefox
1533 Posts
On December 03 2012 00:51 BlueLanterna wrote: XD "normal" ethics is not blaming a victim when something bad has happened to them like a theft, you don't know of any of the specific circumstances and you're making stupid assumptions. lol I said it's pretty normal ethics for Asian, isn't it tl;dr ? Read it over kid edit: oh well, i don't know how about your place, but it's common to say it over here | ||
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MisterTea
United Kingdom1047 Posts
On December 03 2012 00:15 YosHGo wrote: Now thats rly awful... However back in the day i always kept my bag with gear on me, exactly for this reason. I think this was some hater of naniwa who didnt even care about the equipment, he just wanted to fuck over with naniwa... Sounds like redditors did it :D you really shouldn't label an entire community like that, reddit has done some good stuff and theres alot of good people there just like this site, there are some bad apples hope he gets it back and punches the person who did it in the face | ||
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S_SienZ
1878 Posts
On December 03 2012 01:07 Mikau wrote: Naniwa himself said it was stolen. How is taking the word of someone who actually was there presumptive? Ah I could've sworn the 2nd tweet wasn't edited in yet at the time. Was basing this off the 1st IGN tweet, as it only said "gone missing". | ||
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ImustnotfeaR
United Kingdom154 Posts
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
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Glurkenspurk
United States1915 Posts
On December 03 2012 00:49 KawaiiRice wrote: Lol imagine if the thief turns it in and gets a hundred dollars or something. Crime.rates at mlgs gonna skyrocket I already got my mousepad stolen at columbus.. Which is honestly really weird. They aren't worth money at all, lol.. | ||
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danbel1005
United States1319 Posts
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-Kyo-
Japan1926 Posts
On December 03 2012 00:59 S_SienZ wrote: The victim can never be guilty, but sometimes you are partially responsible for getting yourself into certain situations. As I said, this is a logical contradiction/not sound logic - it's literally just something bound to our words. In no way can a victim be "responsible" because to be a victim is to not be in control to what aggressions you have faced. To your example, this is of course under the assumption that the context of the situation in which the person is placed isn't deceptive. What I mean by this is, if Naniwa was ignorant of the fact that a theft could occur, or that he was innocently drawn to an area that turned out to be problematic then what you said doesn't really compare to what I was talking about. The example you gave is entirely choice based in an area where a theft can easily occur; in contrast to naniwa who more than likely did not voluntarily choose an area in which his stuff could be stolen from. What I'm getting at here is if he was somewhere like in the player area when this happened then it really can't be naniwa's fault because he was led to believe that area was secure. However his stuff was still stolen anyway and the choice he had in the matter was only "take my stuff with me" or "don't take my stuff with me because it's in a secure area already". Seemingly, the second choice is just as safe as the first, but the second gives you more freedom. Anyone can tell you walking around an event without carrying all your stuff is much more enjoyable. :/ | ||
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S_SienZ
1878 Posts
On December 03 2012 01:37 -Kyo- wrote: The example you gave is entirely choice based in an area where a theft can easily occur; in contrast to naniwa who more than likely did not voluntarily choose an area in which his stuff could be stolen from. What I'm getting at here is if he was somewhere like in the player area when this happened then it really can't be naniwa's fault because he was led to believe that area was secure. However his stuff was still stolen anyway and the choice he had in the matter was only "take my stuff with me" or "don't take my stuff with me because it's in a secure area already". Seemingly, the second choice is just as safe as the first, but the second gives you more freedom. Anyone can tell you walking around an event without carrying all your stuff is much more enjoyable. While I do agree with this line of reasoning, trust me, if you were raised in a very traditional Asian household, regarding that VERY choice you would not hear the end of it from your parents if you chose the latter You're kinda brought up to be paranoid in that sense, til this day even when I live overseas I'm uncomfortable to even leave the house when hired help comes around to clean. | ||
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nooboon
2602 Posts
On December 03 2012 00:18 Msr wrote: That sucks, but it's most likely his own fault for getting it stolen. ....On the flip side we could also blame IPL for compromising the saftey of one of their competitors belongings. Naniwa went there with the expectation that IPL would keep his stuff safe when he is not there. The thief just saw an an oppurtunity and took it, nothing wrong with what the theif did, it was IPL and Naniwa not being careful enough. *end sarcasm* | ||
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Miragee
8594 Posts
On December 03 2012 00:59 S_SienZ wrote: So if I leave my debit card in a card machine by accident and walk off, and the store keeper takes it, I'm not even partially at fault? Even if you'd argue I'm not at fault in the focal sense of the word, it would still be fucking stupid on my part. The victim can never be guilty, but sometimes you are partially responsible for getting yourself into certain situations. Exactly. In a good world, no one would even pretend to steal something from other persons... So this is how ethics work, they seem to be broken if someone steals. That's not the fault of the victim in any case ethic wise because the fault is what is going on the the thiefs head. However if you're not naiv you know that the human race is a great bunch of asholes and probably should take care of your own things (and maybe others as well). | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
On December 03 2012 00:18 Msr wrote: That sucks, but it's most likely his own fault for getting it stolen. Thank you for the license to steal all your shit. Better keep a good eye on it buddy. | ||
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RusHXceL
United States1004 Posts
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Liman
Serbia681 Posts
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SCMethod
United States40 Posts
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Riquiz
Netherlands402 Posts
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Silentness
United States2821 Posts
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Lazzi
Switzerland1923 Posts
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Jormundr
United States1678 Posts
On December 03 2012 03:18 Lazzi wrote: Having his stuiff stolen as a pro is awful, it like saying for Messi " Okay today you'll with your right leg on the left and the left one on the right. Good luck." It just make the player so much less confortable in his games. Pretty apt analogy considering Naniwa is left-handed and uses left hand mouse. | ||
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Chewbacca.
United States3634 Posts
On December 03 2012 00:18 Msr wrote: That sucks, but it's most likely his own fault for getting it stolen. You sir, are an idiot. Maybe Naniwa could have helped prevent it by paying more attention to his equipment, but it is completely the fault of the person who decided to take it... | ||
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aTnClouD
Italy2428 Posts
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lhr0909
United States562 Posts
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zestzorb
Thailand776 Posts
On December 03 2012 00:40 foxj wrote: It's normal ethics, because you were careless and didn't take care of your own stuffs, it will be considered as your fault first. Maybe it's normal for Asian but Westerner. edit: Hope they will find out who has stolen them ~~ I'm Asian and I don't find it normal to put the blame on the victim. | ||
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NrG.Bamboo
United States2756 Posts
But hey, on the bright side, he might have something to blame if he starts to play like shit ;p | ||
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Trussetyv69
93 Posts
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tMomiji
United States1115 Posts
On December 03 2012 03:44 Trussetyv69 wrote: possibly karma related. Seriously? What a terrible thing to say. Nobody deserves this. I hope Naniwa finds his things soon...T-T Edit: I have a left handed mouse I would gladly let him use but it would take days to mail out there... | ||
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
To think he didn't contribute in some way to it getting stolen is just ignorance. It isn't right for someone to take it but what do you expect if you just leave it laying around? | ||
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tMomiji
United States1115 Posts
On December 03 2012 04:18 Denzil wrote: To think he didn't contribute in some way to it getting stolen is just ignorance. It isn't right for someone to take it but what do you expect if you just leave it laying around? I'd like to think that we as a community are above that kind of thing, but I guess that's wishful thinking, huh... | ||
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NightOfTheDead
Lithuania1711 Posts
On December 03 2012 00:40 foxj wrote: It's normal ethics, because you were careless and didn't take care of your own stuffs, it will be considered as your fault first. Maybe it's normal for Asian but Westerner. edit: Hope they will find out who has stolen them ~~ Assuming it was careless. Which noone knows SHIT about. So no, it is not Naniwa's fault. | ||
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malaan
365 Posts
His stuff got nicked, it sucks, the end. | ||
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Mikau
Netherlands1446 Posts
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tMomiji
United States1115 Posts
On December 03 2012 03:32 lhr0909 wrote: and his mouse is hard to get too... it is a left handed edition of deathadder... I have that exact mouse - he can have mine; where do I send it?! T_T | ||
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BoZiffer
United States1841 Posts
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riotjune
United States3394 Posts
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tMomiji
United States1115 Posts
On December 03 2012 04:35 BoZiffer wrote: Why is this a thread? Just for some brush up on ethical arguments and human nature? Sympathy for Naniwa mostly, and possibly ways to help... | ||
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Trussetyv69
93 Posts
On December 03 2012 04:20 tMomiji wrote: I'd like to think that we as a community are above that kind of thing, but I guess that's wishful thinking, huh... what makes you think that whoever "stole" his equipment are part of the community? | ||
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Dexington
Canada7276 Posts
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On December 03 2012 04:20 tMomiji wrote: I'd like to think that we as a community are above that kind of thing, but I guess that's wishful thinking, huh... No community is. It's unfortunate we have to go to the extent that we do with such precautions to prevent petty theft. | ||
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tMomiji
United States1115 Posts
On December 03 2012 05:10 rd wrote: No community is. It's unfortunate we have to go to the extent that we do with such precautions to prevent petty theft. Yeah...haah, I guess I was just trying to think the best of everyone but you really can't afford to do that these days can you. Basically, people suck. | ||
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
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Zhiroo
Kosovo2724 Posts
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Shebuha
Canada1335 Posts
On December 03 2012 00:45 Dbla08 wrote: some people without any guiding ethics *cough*msr*cough* are full of shit, that's a cop out to not care about people's stuff and i'm willing to bet those people haven't ever had something valuable stolen from them. if you set something down, turn to sign something, and turn back and you're shit's gone, that's just people being thieves and it's not justifiable. on a side note, i agree with the very archaic way of dealing with thieves, cut their hands off. Dude... that's messed up. Seriously, I hope you're joking. -______- | ||
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Atlas247
Canada318 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO | ||
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Putty
210 Posts
ps : i pissed on the keyboard, sry User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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leveller
Sweden1840 Posts
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
On December 03 2012 00:34 iKill wrote: IT'S TIME TO EMAIL THE SPONSORS + Show Spoiler + after all, he'll need a new kit lol poor nani all by himself | ||
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VoirDire
Sweden1923 Posts
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dere
United States153 Posts
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
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FeyverN
United States104 Posts
On December 03 2012 06:08 darkness wrote: Rofl, really? Who would need a mouse and a keyboard? A lot of people would like Naniwa's high quality keyboard/mouse, not to mention you can use it knowing that Naniwa once used it. Dick move nonetheless. | ||
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Figgy
Canada1788 Posts
On December 03 2012 00:59 S_SienZ wrote: So if I leave my debit card in a card machine by accident and walk off, and the store keeper takes it, I'm not even partially at fault? Even if you'd argue I'm not at fault in the focal sense of the word, it would still be fucking stupid on my part. The victim can never be guilty, but sometimes you are partially responsible for getting yourself into certain situations. Exactly. Your logic is retarded. That's like saying it was Mr. Bitters fault he got robbed for $2000 because he wanted to take a Taxi to his hotel. Shit happens, you can't be safe all the time from everything especially with so many evil people running about in places with over 5000 people. And to blame it at all on the victim when you have no idea the circumstances is crazy talk. | ||
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Picklebread
808 Posts
On December 03 2012 06:16 Figgy wrote: Your logic is retarded. That's like saying it was Mr. Bitters fault he got robbed for $2000 because he wanted to take a Taxi to his hotel. Shit happens, you can't be safe all the time from everything especially with so many evil people running about in places with over 5000 people. And to blame it at all on the victim when you have no idea the circumstances is crazy talk. You really cant compare getting mugged to getting your stuff stolen, especially when we dont even know the full story. If naniwa say left his bag on a chair and theres no one around to look after it, then whos to say the guy that takes it even KNOWS that it was naniwas? he just saw a bag and thought "oh im going to take it." This is assuming that the guy took it while naniwa was away and didnt know it was naniwas, if he did know then its just a dick move, but if you leave your shit alone then dont be surprised if people take it. It is a dick move, still. Now, if naniwa was sitting with his bag and he stood up cause he was cheering for leenock or something and while he was distracted a guy took it, then thats just plain f'd up. Need to know more of the story, but its most likely its naniwas fault for leaving his bag alone. If i left my backpack on the bus or something and i forgot it, and someone jacks it, its my fault for leaving it. simple as that. Now, when you say that guys logic is "retarded" then you need to back it up well. Comparing stealing to getting mugged is kind've ridiculous logic if you ask me. If i went to the bathroom at a rest stop and i left my guitar on a bench, then its my fault if it gets stolen no questions asked. Its a bare amount of caution because people do stuff like that :/ | ||
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Cosmos
Belgium1077 Posts
On December 03 2012 06:22 Picklebread wrote: You really cant compare getting mugged to getting your stuff stolen, especially when we dont even know the full story. If naniwa say left his bag on a chair and theres no one around to look after it, then whos to say the guy that takes it even KNOWS that it was naniwas? he just saw a bag and thought "oh im going to take it." This is assuming that the guy took it while naniwa was away and didnt know it was naniwas, if he did know then its just a dick move, but if you leave your shit alone then dont be surprised if people take it. It is a dick move, still. Now, if naniwa was sitting with his bag and he stood up cause he was cheering for leenock or something and while he was distracted a guy took it, then thats just plain f'd up. Need to know more of the story, but its most likely its naniwas fault for leaving his bag alone. If i left my backpack on the bus or something and i forgot it, and someone jacks it, its my fault for leaving it. simple as that. Now, when you say that guys logic is "retarded" then you need to back it up well. Comparing stealing to getting mugged is kind've ridiculous logic if you ask me. If i went to the bathroom at a rest stop and i left my guitar on a bench, then its my fault if it gets stolen no questions asked. Its a bare amount of caution because people do stuff like that :/ Wow, your logic is so stupid... If I see an abandonned backpack, I either give it to people in charge (in the bus, to the driver; at an event/hotel, to the reception) or let it there since it's the best place for the owner to come look for it (for example an auditorium in college). People thinking like you don't deserve the title of human. | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On December 03 2012 06:22 Picklebread wrote: You really cant compare getting mugged to getting your stuff stolen, especially when we dont even know the full story. If naniwa say left his bag on a chair and theres no one around to look after it, then whos to say the guy that takes it even KNOWS that it was naniwas? he just saw a bag and thought "oh im going to take it." This is assuming that the guy took it while naniwa was away and didnt know it was naniwas, if he did know then its just a dick move, but if you leave your shit alone then dont be surprised if people take it. It is a dick move, still. Now, if naniwa was sitting with his bag and he stood up cause he was cheering for leenock or something and while he was distracted a guy took it, then thats just plain f'd up. Need to know more of the story, but its most likely its naniwas fault for leaving his bag alone. If i left my backpack on the bus or something and i forgot it, and someone jacks it, its my fault for leaving it. simple as that. Now, when you say that guys logic is "retarded" then you need to back it up well. Comparing stealing to getting mugged is kind've ridiculous logic if you ask me. If i went to the bathroom at a rest stop and i left my guitar on a bench, then its my fault if it gets stolen no questions asked. Its a bare amount of caution because people do stuff like that :/ By that logic it would be your own fault if someone kidnapped your kid unless you keep an eye on him/her 100 % of the time. It's an unreasonable thing to expect that people keep an eye on everything they own constantly without getting their shit stolen. | ||
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Picklebread
808 Posts
On December 03 2012 06:28 Cosmos wrote: Wow, your logic is so stupid... If I see an abandonned backpack, I either give it to people in charge (in the bus, to the driver; at an event/hotel, to the reception) or let it there since it's the best place for the owner to come look for it (for example an auditorium in college). People thinking like you don't deserve the title of human. Well I assume the worst in people so maybe i am a bad person :/. I dont jack stuff though, i would leave it there as well but when your talking about complete strangers then thats what happens sometimes. | ||
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Picklebread
808 Posts
On December 03 2012 06:29 nihlon wrote: By that logic it would be your own fault if someone kidnapped your kid unless you keep an eye on him/her 100 % of the time. It's an unreasonable thing to expect that people keep an eye on everything they own constantly without getting their shit stolen. Kidnapping a kid is completely different then jacking someones stuff. Its a different case for different things. If you are a decent person then you wont jack someone's stuff like that, but not all people are "decent". | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On December 03 2012 00:40 foxj wrote: It's normal ethics, because you were careless and didn't take care of your own stuffs, it will be considered as your fault first. Maybe it's normal for Asian but Westerner. edit: Hope they will find out who has stolen them ~~ You should be able to leave your stuff in the middle of a sidewalk and come back and still find it there (or moved off to the side) but nobody has the right to just walk off with it. | ||
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Picklebread
808 Posts
On December 03 2012 06:32 GreEny K wrote: You should be able to leave your stuff in the middle of a sidewalk and come back and still find it there (or moved off to the side) but nobody has the right to just walk off with it. No its not right but it is your responsibility to make sure it doesn't get stolen. People are messed up man and they will take it. Its the reason why i dont leave stuff in the middle of the sidewalk and whatnot. | ||
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will216
United States185 Posts
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Picklebread
808 Posts
On December 03 2012 06:36 will216 wrote: Maybe people should fucking stole shit!!!! What about that ? Yeah it is fucked up to steal shit I agree. | ||
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Brutaxilos
United States2630 Posts
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FeyverN
United States104 Posts
Gotta love it when a post starts like this. | ||
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Picklebread
808 Posts
On December 03 2012 06:45 FeyverN wrote: Gotta love it when a post starts like this. Cant we all be civil? =.= | ||
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DreamChaser
1649 Posts
On December 03 2012 06:08 darkness wrote: Rofl, really? Who would need a mouse and a keyboard? Not that i you know stole it or anything. But um i could use a new mouse and keyboard especially a high grade one like Naniwas. | ||
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DreamChaser
1649 Posts
On December 03 2012 06:32 Picklebread wrote: Kidnapping a kid is completely different then jacking someones stuff. Its a different case for different things. If you are a decent person then you wont jack someone's stuff like that, but not all people are "decent". Yea while were at this lets discuss Obama's upcoming policy for this upcoming fiscal year! | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On December 03 2012 06:48 DreamChaser wrote: Not that i you know stole it or anything. But um i could use a new mouse and keyboard especially a high grade one like Naniwas. Yeah, but the point is, with everyting else on the table, why exactly a mouse/keyboard? I think better thieves would go for money or something much more expensive than what they've got.. | ||
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Seldentar
United States888 Posts
On December 03 2012 00:18 Msr wrote: That sucks, but it's most likely his own fault for getting it stolen. LOL. Strong, troll is strong... | ||
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Picklebread
808 Posts
On December 03 2012 06:50 darkness wrote: Yeah, but the point is, with everyting else on the table, why exactly a mouse/keyboard? I think better thieves would go for money or something much more expensive. I think they just jacked it cause they saw a bag and their like "Oooo goodies!" | ||
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brachester
Australia1786 Posts
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FeyverN
United States104 Posts
On December 03 2012 06:50 darkness wrote: Yeah, but the point is, with everyting else on the table, why exactly a mouse/keyboard? I think better thieves would go for money or something much more expensive. Keyboard = $100 His mouse = $20-$50 $150 dollars not too bad Market it as Naniwa's = $650 profit. | ||
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-Kyo-
Japan1926 Posts
On December 03 2012 06:34 Picklebread wrote: No its not right but it is your responsibility to make sure it doesn't get stolen. People are messed up man and they will take it. Its the reason why i dont leave stuff in the middle of the sidewalk and whatnot. Go back and read my reply this on page 3... Seems like the last 2 pages have just been people talking about the same stuff already covered >.>... Does anyone know what he will be doing if he does not get his stuff back in time..? I can't imagine it being good for the games.. :/ Takes quite some time to get used to different equipment. to the above poster: That's a really good way to get yourself arrested.. so I doubt whoever stole the items will be selling them | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On December 03 2012 06:51 FeyverN wrote: Keyboard = $100 His mouse = $20-$50 $150 dollars not too bad Market it as Naniwa's = $650 profit. I doubt it's possible to "market it as Naniwa's" because this may reveal who has/have stolen this. Anyway, it's really a stupid case that no one would like. P.S. MC for president. I think he is the only one to resist theft so far because MrBitter (was it him with the Chinese G's?) and Naniwa have failed. | ||
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FeyverN
United States104 Posts
On December 03 2012 06:55 darkness wrote: I doubt it's possible to "market it as Naniwa's" because this may reveal who has/have stolen this. Anyway, it's really a stupid case that no one would like. P.S. MC for president. I think he is the only one to resist theft so far because MrBitter (was it him with the Chinese G's?) and Naniwa have failed. Not if the seller is anonymous in the selling process, a lot of people would like to buy Naniwa's stolen equipment. | ||
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
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AnachronisticAnarchy
United States2957 Posts
On December 03 2012 06:49 DreamChaser wrote: Yea while were at this lets discuss Obama's upcoming policy for this upcoming fiscal year! Please god no. On December 03 2012 06:51 brachester wrote: Naniwa got his stuff stolen thread -> arguments about human ethic... Well this IS Team Liquid. I once went into a philosophy thread about morality, and before we even got into the second page some guy made a post stating that the OP was faulty as morality itself doesn't exist, and followed that up with a couple of paragraphs of his reasoning. | ||
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FeyverN
United States104 Posts
On December 03 2012 06:49 DreamChaser wrote: Yea while were at this lets discuss Obama's upcoming policy for this upcoming fiscal year! Honestly, it could be a lot better than he makes it out to be, but obviously he has to cut a lot of financial corners in order to provide for the plans that he hopes to achieve. The defense budget is a prime example of this. The United States invests the most into military than the rest of the world, so it is probably a good idea to cut back on it and invest it elsewhere, such as creating jobs, education, healthcare etc. Another thing which should be noted is how we constantly invest money overseas and then wonder, why don't we have a lot of jobs in America? It's one thing to make a small-term investment overseas, we don't have to act as bodyguards for countries such as South Korea or Afghanistan. It all depends on our moral views, but I think we should focus on building our own country before we go and attempt to save other people. | ||
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Akhee
Brazil811 Posts
On December 03 2012 06:50 darkness wrote: Yeah, but the point is, with everyting else on the table, why exactly a mouse/keyboard? I think better thieves would go for money or something much more expensive than what they've got.. they did it cause its naniwa, im waiting the day MKP or HerO has the same problem | ||
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Seldentar
United States888 Posts
On December 03 2012 06:49 DreamChaser wrote: Yea while were at this lets discuss Obama's upcoming policy for this upcoming fiscal year! Inb4: "all i no iz dis iz all Obamaz fault. if it wasnt 4 his stupid fiscal policies peeps wudnt have 2 resort 2 stealin 2 get by " | ||
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FlamingForce
Netherlands701 Posts
On December 03 2012 06:51 brachester wrote: Naniwa got his stuff stolen thread -> arguments about human ethic... I was thinking the same thing :D by now it's become my own little bit of TL comedy to just read what a new thread is about and waiting a few minutes before skipping to the last page to see how far the community managed to derail the thread. | ||
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Carnate
United States62 Posts
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tMomiji
United States1115 Posts
BLOOD I SAY!!!! What kind of dick mentality does this kind of thing take?! | ||
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scsnow
Slovenia515 Posts
sad for naniwa | ||
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amazingoopah
United States1925 Posts
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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tMomiji
United States1115 Posts
On December 03 2012 07:23 scsnow wrote: sarcasm mode: they just wanted to place a zerg player instead of protoss of course. sad for naniwa Freaking ZvZ | ||
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Trussetyv69
93 Posts
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TiTanIum_
Brazil1335 Posts
On December 03 2012 00:23 nimdil wrote: Oo. So now thief is not guilty of a theft? Weird ethics. Yeah. Like when a woman is raped, it is actually her fault. | ||
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vinsang1000
Belgium365 Posts
On December 03 2012 06:56 FeyverN wrote: Not if the seller is anonymous in the selling process, a lot of people would like to buy Naniwa's stolen equipment. Do you really think so ? | ||
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Derity
Germany2952 Posts
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-Kyo-
Japan1926 Posts
On December 03 2012 07:08 FlamingForce wrote: I was thinking the same thing :D by now it's become my own little bit of TL comedy to just read what a new thread is about and waiting a few minutes before skipping to the last page to see how far the community managed to derail the thread. Almost equally as entertaining is those who post ambiguously, and in a shallow fashion about others in threads while simultaneously misinterpreting half of the conversation; let alone their own failure to word what was even being talked about correctly. to the above: it's left handed equipment as far as I know... So I doubt many others have the same stuff at that level :/ T_T really sad that Naniwa isn't playing now... The only protoss for the team just taken away. Well, hopefully this doesn't happen again. It would be really sad to see something like this happen at MLG, or imagine if it had happened to a Korean player... :l + Show Spoiler + I wonder if most of the people with large post counts even read threads, and their subsequent replies before they post such silly things for the sake of +1post while under the guise of: rofl, I read the OP and i 4 sure kno deez guiz r dumb.. not even on topic. edit: rofl at all the posts that went way off topic in the following 2 pages. It's like they tried to negate my response and prove the post I replied to >.> Oh well, I tried to justify the first half but no chance on the rest of this thread. | ||
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dUTtrOACh
Canada2339 Posts
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BlueLanterna
291 Posts
On December 03 2012 00:53 S_SienZ wrote: Isn't assuming it was a theft equally presumptive? How many of us here were actually there? Sorry this is a dumb post, I would respond to it but it would be literally entertaining stupidity. On December 03 2012 01:07 foxj wrote: lol I said it's pretty normal ethics for Asian, isn't it tl;dr ? Read it over kid edit: oh well, i don't know how about your place, but it's common to say it over here Remind me never to travel to wherever you're from, kid, and while we're at it let's just be clear: You and wherever you're from are hilariously backwards. | ||
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MCXD
Australia2738 Posts
On December 03 2012 06:51 brachester wrote: Naniwa got his stuff stolen thread -> arguments about human ethic... If it happened to anyone except Naniwa, the thread would be considerably more tame. | ||
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GP
United States1056 Posts
On December 03 2012 03:44 Trussetyv69 wrote: possibly karma related. Does anyone actually understand what karma is? | ||
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-Kaiser-
Canada932 Posts
On December 03 2012 08:02 GP wrote: Does anyone actually understand what karma is? It's when you do bad things to people and assume they deserved it. | ||
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anrimayu
United States875 Posts
On December 03 2012 08:02 GP wrote: Does anyone actually understand what karma is? What you get from being upvoted on reddit. | ||
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AlexCMoi
Canada69 Posts
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Derity
Germany2952 Posts
oh wrong thread, delete please... | ||
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courtpanda
866 Posts
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MadJack
Peru357 Posts
On December 03 2012 00:23 nimdil wrote: Oo. So now thief is not guilty of a theft? Weird ethics. Unless you consider theft a "job" then the word you are looking for is moral, not ethics. | ||
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Larkin
United Kingdom7161 Posts
On December 03 2012 00:40 foxj wrote: It's normal ethics, because you were careless and didn't take care of your own stuffs, it will be considered as your fault first. Maybe it's normal for Asian but Westerner. edit: Hope they will find out who has stolen them ~~ You're the kind of person who says that someone who is raped is to blame, not the rapist. | ||
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BlackGosu
Canada1046 Posts
On December 03 2012 08:40 Larkin wrote: You're the kind of person who says that someone who is raped is to blame, not the rapist. that is a horrible analogy. if you leave your shit lying around, people are definitely gonna take it. it's human nature to be greedy and selfish. i guess this can serve a good learning experience for naniwa | ||
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tassblaster
Canada47 Posts
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Zenniv
United States545 Posts
On December 03 2012 00:40 foxj wrote: It's normal ethics, because you were careless and didn't take care of your own stuffs, it will be considered as your fault first. Maybe it's normal for Asian but Westerner. edit: Hope they will find out who has stolen them ~~ Are ppl really ignorant enough to think that Asians have that kind of ethics?? This is unbelievable... | ||
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Cuce
Turkey1127 Posts
On December 03 2012 08:45 BlackGosu wrote: that is a horrible analogy. if you leave your shit lying around, people are definitely gonna take it. it's human nature to be greedy and selfish. i guess this can serve a good learning experience for naniwa no its not.. its human nature to be compassionate and generous. fault is at who acts agains that | ||
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Trussetyv69
93 Posts
On December 03 2012 08:59 Cuce wrote: no its not.. its human nature to be compassionate and generous. fault is at who acts agains that ..actually, it's human nature to not be compassionate and generous. | ||
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Shinespark
Chile843 Posts
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Jasiwel
United States146 Posts
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Trussetyv69
93 Posts
On December 03 2012 09:06 Jasiwel wrote: Actually, it's human nature to make deductions. Something in the possible thief's life caused him to deduce that taking something that is not his is alright. deduction has nothing to do with human nature. edit: just saying, but hey. | ||
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autoexec
United States530 Posts
On December 03 2012 09:02 Shinespark wrote: Dear thief of Naniwa's stuff: Thank you for doing what you did. Now we have an excuse for what's happening in korea vs world, even if it's a terrible excuse. Dear thief of Naniwa's stuff: Thank you for giving Stephano the opportunity for an all kill since Naniwa won't be available to take a game off the Korean team | ||
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dannystarcraft
United States179 Posts
On December 03 2012 10:01 autoexec wrote: Dear thief of Naniwa's stuff: Thank you for giving Stephano the opportunity for an all kill since Naniwa won't be available to take a game off the Korean team +1 I am really enjoying Stephano right now. Let's hope he can keep it up against Seed! Sorry Nani, but understand you are going to have to take one for the team now! Hopefully, it was just his stuff getting misplaced. Edit: Typo Edit2: Typo in quote above ^^ | ||
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trGKakarot
United States129 Posts
Naniwa doesn't seem to give a fuck about the fans, and after he lost yesterday + the fact these games don't mean anything to him, I am sure he was just looking for an excuse not to play (not saying his stuff wasn't stolen, but I've never heard of anybody else's stuff disappearing, I mean, people have even returned various keys to IdrA when he smashed his keyboard.) | ||
GTR
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Darclite
United States1021 Posts
On December 03 2012 06:56 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote: Please god no. Well this IS Team Liquid. I once went into a philosophy thread about morality, and before we even got into the second page some guy made a post stating that the OP was faulty as morality itself doesn't exist, and followed that up with a couple of paragraphs of his reasoning. Yeah I forgot about how every discussion turned into some ridiculous debate about something petty or irrelevant. Once got into one with someone who was arguing that bullying is a good thing. | ||
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Darclite
United States1021 Posts
On December 03 2012 10:05 trGKakarot wrote: It's hilarious because if his shit got stolen and he was still in IPL5 he would be playing on any mouse+keyboard he could find. Naniwa doesn't seem to give a fuck about the fans, and after he lost yesterday + the fact these games don't mean anything to him, I am sure he was just looking for an excuse not to play (not saying his stuff wasn't stolen, but I've never heard of anybody else's stuff disappearing, I mean, people have even returned various keys to IdrA when he smashed his keyboard.) All of his gear is left handed and he couldn't find a replacement... | ||
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trGKakarot
United States129 Posts
On December 03 2012 10:12 Darclite wrote: All of his gear is left handed and he couldn't find a replacement... I get that, but back to the point of if the game had meaning, he wouldn't simply say, "Oh, I lost my stuff too bad, I will just take 4th at IPL5 and drop out of the tournament." There are plenty of mice which are for righty+lefty (sure it isn't what he is used to, so it would be a stretch to play/win, but I mean LosirA has won games with his keyboard not working the entire game). Just leaves a bad taste in your mouth after his history and not putting forth any effort to play. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On December 03 2012 10:17 trGKakarot wrote: I get that, but back to the point of if the game had meaning, he wouldn't simply say, "Oh, I lost my stuff too bad, I will just take 4th at IPL5 and drop out of the tournament." There are plenty of mice which are for righty+lefty (sure it isn't what he is used to, so it would be a stretch to play/win, but I mean LosirA has won games with his keyboard not working the entire game). Just leaves a bad taste in your mouth after his history and not putting forth any effort to play. So basically, you want him to play under suboptimal conditions in a team event instead of giving someone else a chance to play with their proper equipment. How selfish of him. | ||
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Heouf
Netherlands787 Posts
So if he said it was stolen I should believe him? Well maybe he is lying, maybe not. But we don't know the truth. But I hope he finds his stuff back or get his stuff back. | ||
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Saishuuheiki
United States188 Posts
On December 03 2012 10:17 trGKakarot wrote: I get that, but back to the point of if the game had meaning, he wouldn't simply say, "Oh, I lost my stuff too bad, I will just take 4th at IPL5 and drop out of the tournament." There are plenty of mice which are for righty+lefty (sure it isn't what he is used to, so it would be a stretch to play/win, but I mean LosirA has won games with his keyboard not working the entire game). Just leaves a bad taste in your mouth after his history and not putting forth any effort to play. You have to understand, generally mice that aren't super cheap have a curve to one side and they'll have buttons for your thumb. Aside from the fact that in a game that requires fast and accurate clicking / dragging a differently shaped and different sensitivity for the mouse will slow you down, you can't use the 4+ buttons on the mouse with your pinky... So considering it's a team competition, it'd be more absurd for him to say he's still better than Vortix even when he can't select his units right or place his forcefields accurately. Note it's not like his game yesterday was embarrassing. He didn't win, but he was close at times; it wasn't lopsided. | ||
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trGKakarot
United States129 Posts
On December 03 2012 10:22 GolemMadness wrote: So basically, you want him to play under suboptimal conditions in a team event instead of giving someone else a chance to play with their proper equipment. How selfish of him. I would much rather him not play; regardless of the fact it is a team event. Although, he qualified and fans + players are expecting to see him / play against him. I'm just saying, when you play a video game for money, you need to realize how fortunate that opportunity is and appreciate it, most players would have persevered and tried to put on as good of games for the fans as possible. Just says a lot about his character, IMO. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On December 03 2012 10:29 trGKakarot wrote: I would much rather him not play; regardless of the fact it is a team event. Although, he qualified and fans + players are expecting to see him / play against him. I'm just saying, when you play a video game for money, you need to realize how fortunate that opportunity is and appreciate it, most players would have persevered and tried to put on as good of games for the fans as possible. Just says a lot about his character, IMO. But he can't put on his best possible game, so he's giving someone else who can show their best possible game a chance to play. This is a ridiculous thing to complain about. | ||
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banatboy
120 Posts
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Lobotomist
United States1541 Posts
On December 03 2012 00:33 covetousrat wrote: Slow down there hoss. Punished yes, shot...maybe a bit over the top? That really sucks for Nani, hope they recover the stuff.The thief should get shot | ||
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autoexec
United States530 Posts
On December 03 2012 10:47 Lobotomist wrote: Slow down there hoss. Punished yes, shot...maybe a bit over the top? That really sucks for Nani, hope they recover the stuff. Don't worry. I'm guessing its a 12 year old fanboy overreacting. | ||
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BeyondCtrL
Sweden642 Posts
On December 03 2012 10:10 GTR wrote: Wouldn't him withdrawing from GSL WC Day 2 also be because no one in Vegas owns Mionix gear? I'm pretty sure his KB and mouse are both Razer. Would like to add that Mionix doesn't have left-handed mice. Their stuff is quite nice, I have a Naos 5000 and it's quite comfortable to use. Only downside is that it's quite expensive compared to equivalent SteelSeries gear. | ||
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Wintex
Norway16838 Posts
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CrazyF1r3f0x
United States2120 Posts
or we could just say that it sucks he couldn't play and move on | ||
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Enel
Sudan430 Posts
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
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InsidiA
Canada1169 Posts
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
Sure sometimes people leave their cards in machines on accident and stuff, but in the end there is only one person who decides to commit said crimes, the thief. Hope Naniwa eventually gets his stuff back, having such important things stolen isn't fun at all. | ||
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askmc70
United States722 Posts
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chosenkerrigan
858 Posts
On December 03 2012 01:07 foxj wrote: lol I said it's pretty normal ethics for Asian, isn't it tl;dr ? Read it over kid edit: oh well, i don't know how about your place, but it's common to say it over here I feel sorry for victims of theft in vietnam. | ||
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Trasko
Sweden983 Posts
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Slipspace
United States381 Posts
good on him | ||
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Sumahi
Guam5609 Posts
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Cedstick
Canada3336 Posts
Edit: "My heart goes out to Naniwa." Really? hahahahahaha | ||
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Deadeight
United Kingdom1629 Posts
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Hoon
Brazil891 Posts
On December 03 2012 12:29 Cedstick wrote: My friend who flew from Canada to the US for an MLG got over 2k worth of stuff stolen from his hotel room, including his passport. He didn't get a thread. Naniwa is cool and all, but this is of small worth for someone who's sponsored by a fucking gaming-gear company. My neighbor got his car stolen some years ago and no one made a thread about it. Pretty sure it was worth $10k+. | ||
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DreamChaser
1649 Posts
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
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FataLe
New Zealand4516 Posts
On December 03 2012 12:29 Cedstick wrote: My friend who flew from Canada to the US for an MLG got over 2k worth of stuff stolen from his hotel room, including his passport. He didn't get a thread. Naniwa is cool and all, but this is of small worth for someone who's sponsored by a fucking gaming-gear company. Edit: "My heart goes out to Naniwa." Really? hahahahahaha bro the maori people of new zealand had their land 'stolen' from them, and they didn't get a thread! what gives man? | ||
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WetSocks
United States953 Posts
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Inquisitor1323
370 Posts
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tMomiji
United States1115 Posts
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BluePanther
United States2776 Posts
Busting the lowlife thieves with hidden cameras and bugged keyboards. | ||
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Havik_
United States5585 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
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YyapSsap
New Zealand1511 Posts
On December 03 2012 12:59 FataLe wrote: bro the maori people of new zealand had their land 'stolen' from them, and they didn't get a thread! what gives man? Im guessing you failed your NZ history lessons.. /facepalm | ||
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tshi
United States2495 Posts
On December 03 2012 12:29 Deadeight wrote: Only TL can turn a player losing his mouse/keyboard into the worst of ethics debates. Yeah, haha. That's my thought exactly; good lord. | ||
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
On December 03 2012 00:40 foxj wrote: It's normal ethics, because you were careless and didn't take care of your own stuffs, it will be considered as your fault first. Maybe it's normal for Asian but Westerner. edit: Hope they will find out who has stolen them ~~ So like that time MC got pick pocketed was his fault? Cause some guy walked up to him and took his wallet? | ||
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Destro
Netherlands1206 Posts
Chances are it wasn't ripped from his arms, he likely left it on a table or something... being in vegas.. i can't say he isn't partly to blame.. still sucks tho | ||
Epoxide
Magic Woods9326 Posts
On December 03 2012 14:44 Havik_ wrote: What equipment was he using? He's sponsored by Mionix, so probably a Zibal 60 and IDK what the mouse would be. I'm pretty sure he uses the left DeathAdder. | ||
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m4inbrain
1505 Posts
On December 04 2012 01:01 TheRavensName wrote: So like that time MC got pick pocketed was his fault? Cause some guy walked up to him and took his wallet? Do you try to troll, or do you seriously don't get what he means? Over here in germany, if your car gets stolen because you forgot to lock it, chances are pretty good that insurance won't pay. Because it's your fault that the car got stolen. You could have done stuff (for example, locking it) to prevent it. Same for Naniwa. I did not follow the thread, if he had his stuff in a backpack on his back, it's not his fault at all. If he just threw his equipment in some corner, unwatched, it's his fault, yes. MC had his pocket picked, so it's not his fault. If he had his wallet on the table and went to the restroom, and it got stolen at THAT moment, it would be his fault, of course. It's not that hard to understand. Edit: there's a phrase: "Gelegenheit macht Diebe". Translates to "Opportunity makes a thief" or "An open door may tempt a saint". They exist for a reason. | ||
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AndyGB4
Canada156 Posts
On December 04 2012 01:08 m4inbrain wrote: Do you try to troll, or do you seriously don't get what he means? Over here in germany, if your car gets stolen because you forgot to lock it, chances are pretty good that insurance won't pay. Because it's your fault that the car got stolen. You could have done stuff (for example, locking it) to prevent it. Same for Naniwa. I did not follow the thread, if he had his stuff in a backpack on his back, it's not his fault at all. If he just threw his equipment in some corner, unwatched, it's his fault, yes. MC had his pocket picked, so it's not his fault. If he had his wallet on the table and went to the restroom, and it got stolen at THAT moment, it would be his fault, of course. It's not that hard to understand. Edit: there's a phrase: "Gelegenheit macht Diebe". Translates to "Opportunity makes a thief" or "An open door may tempt a saint". They exist for a reason. Well if it was on his back it's still his fault, because he could have put his backpack backwards and have his stuff in front of him.. Much safer. Or maybe he could have put his equipment in a vault or something. lmao, there's ALWAYS something you can do to make a situation different. Do you see how ridiculous this is getting? Seriously though... I understand that if you leave your stuff on a table unwatched, you're partially to blame for it being stolen because like you said, you're giving people the opportunity to grab it. But at the same time, for someone to take it shows that they lack morals. If I would see a bag unattended I would NEVER steal it. It just isn't right to do so. All these people blaming Naniwa are just trying to make themselves feel better, because they would probably steal the gear if they had that opportunity. So what I'm saying is, generally, bad things will happen less to those who are careful. (i.e. dont leave important objects unattended). So yeah, don't give people the opportunity to steal from you, etc. But at the same time, just because there's an opportunity to steal something, it's still NOT ok to do it. You're still in the wrong for stealing it... Anyways, we don't even know the exact scenario on how Naniwa's gear was stolen, so we can't even say who was completely at fault. If we did know how, I'm sure we would have avoided a lot of this conversation.. but hey, its TL lol It never amazes me what these threads can come to! haha | ||
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m4inbrain
1505 Posts
Your conclusion of people being thieves and blame Naniwa to make them feel better (thats actually so stupid, it does make less sense the more i think about that).. Yeah. Of course it's not okay to steal stuff. I would not do it, especially not THAT stuff. But that alone does not make you/Naniwa a victim. And yeah, i'm amazed as well. But in another direction, i guess. | ||
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RockIronrod
Australia1369 Posts
A lot of Asian countries put emphasis on personal responsibility, that if you leave yourself vulnerable to a crime, you're at least partially to blame and are looked upon as such. People really have to acknowledge that different places are, well, different. | ||
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Destro
Netherlands1206 Posts
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Crownlol
United States3726 Posts
On December 03 2012 00:15 YosHGo wrote: Now thats rly awful... However back in the day i always kept my bag with gear on me, exactly for this reason. I think this was some hater of naniwa who didnt even care about the equipment, he just wanted to fuck over with naniwa... Sounds like redditors did it :D Had to start doing this after my shit was stolen at ECL. I can't play CS with my watch on, and I had it looped around the bag tie. Maybe they stole it for the watch, but come the fuck on. | ||
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lolmlg
619 Posts
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itiswhatitis
United States136 Posts
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iamhope
Afghanistan51 Posts
In Brazil we learn to be smart, to adapt and to prevent stuff, because our environment ask us to. For Americans and Rich european countries, people have no big issues at all.. lol.. so they get used to live confortable. Learn to adapt wherever you are, and you won't have trouble. Yes part of the situation is his fault to have his gear stolen. If I acted correctly, I wouldn't have mine stuff stolen. | ||
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Crownlol
United States3726 Posts
On December 04 2012 02:37 iamhope wrote: You have no control over the others and the community, so you should do what you CAN. Be aware and protect your stuff. In Brazil we learn to be smart, to adapt and to prevent stuff, because our environment ask us to. For Americans and Rich european countries, people have no big issues at all.. lol.. so they get used to live confortable. Learn to adapt wherever you are, and you won't have trouble. Yes part of the situation is his fault to have his gear stolen. If I acted correctly, I wouldn't have mine stuff stolen. Wow my brain hurts. Americans have no big issues at all, Brazilians are so smart. | ||
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cost2010
Germany46 Posts
On December 04 2012 01:36 AndyGB4 wrote: Over here in germany, if your car gets stolen because you forgot to lock it, chances are pretty good that insurance won't pay. Because it's your fault that the car got stolen. You could have done stuff (for example, locking it) to prevent it. Same for Naniwa. I did not follow the thread, if he had his stuff in a backpack on his back, it's not his fault at all. If he just threw his equipment in some corner, unwatched, it's his fault, yes. Using the insurance company as a source for ethical guidelines seems somewhat weird... after all their policies are designed to turn a profit (by reducing moral hazard) and not based on any sort of "fundamental" ethical considerations about responsibility and guilt. The police would of course investigate this case as a crime and any court of law would hold the thief, not the careless owner, responsible. | ||
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Warlock40
601 Posts
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Deadeight
United Kingdom1629 Posts
On December 04 2012 01:07 Epoxide wrote: I'm pretty sure he uses the left DeathAdder. He definitely used to but I'd have thought Mionix would want him using their mouse. Then again I think they only make right-handed mice. | ||
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pekkasteele
Sweden80 Posts
Are you the same persons that say it is the raped girls fault because she had a short skirt? This whole discussion is stupid... | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4516 Posts
On December 03 2012 15:44 YyapSsap wrote: Im guessing you failed your NZ history lessons.. /facepalm 'stolen' /headdesk | ||
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AnachronisticAnarchy
United States2957 Posts
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iamhope
Afghanistan51 Posts
On December 04 2012 02:56 Crownlol wrote: Wow my brain hurts. Americans have no big issues at all, Brazilians are so smart. "Brazilians are so smart" Why did you include "brazilians" there? It's me speaking, not Brazil. Maybe you have a wrong image of the rest of the world... That's why you think USA has super issues. Compare to the rest of the world. Economics? Can't buy your iphone 5? Still better consumption access than 95% of world's population Terrorism? In my city only, 1 cop is killed every 12 hours Healthcare? Well, I can't argue on that... Natural Disasters? The natural disaster here is lack of money, slums and cardboard houses.. any heavy rain make thousand of poor people lose their homes or die. But i'm talking about people stepping on others, if you were "smarter" than "brazilians" you said, you would know that your problems aren't related to the "smartness" of people avoiding people's tricks to fuck you up 24/7. That's why WW developed country tourists get tricked/robbed in south globe so easily. Sorry about bad english, its not my main language. | ||
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iamhope
Afghanistan51 Posts
On December 04 2012 05:22 pekkasteele wrote: How can anyone say it is Naniwas own fault someone stole from him? Are you the same persons that say it is the raped girls fault because she had a short skirt? This whole discussion is stupid... 1st) Partially Naniwa's fault 2nd) It wasn't an armed hand robbery, it was stolen because he left it somewhere. 3rd) Girl with short skirt walking in dangerous area has some kind of fault too (of course I can't compare to a stolen gear like you did). But she could've minimized her chances (like naniwa could). 4th) It's not about the theory that students discuss on his millionaire university of "what's right or wrong". It's about the practical aspect, and how the world really works. | ||
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Kerotan
England2109 Posts
On December 05 2012 21:02 iamhope wrote: 1st) Partially Naniwa's fault 2nd) It wasn't an armed hand robbery, it was stolen because he left it somewhere. 3rd) Girl with short skirt walking in dangerous area has some kind of fault too (of course I can't compare to a stolen gear like you did). But she could've minimized her chances (like naniwa could). 4th) It's not about the theory that students discuss on his millionaire university of "what's right or wrong". It's about the practical aspect, and how the world really works. Sorry how did blaming women for getting raped get in to this thread? For reals? | ||
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Odecey
Norway27 Posts
Your third point frankly makes you look like a chauvinistic caricature from the fifties. Get with the times; a girl these days has her own right to decide what she wears and where, without having to consider being molested on the way to the grocery store due to her skirt being "too short" by some arbitrary standard determined by a would-be rapist. Point 4: Despite what you might think, relying on other people following the law is not naive, but entirely reasonable behaviour. If we all were acting as if the next guy we meet might shank us for our wallet society would collapse. | ||
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Shardz
United States349 Posts
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ineversmile
United States583 Posts
On December 04 2012 03:13 Warlock40 wrote: Reminds me of the Magic: The Gathering scene. People are constantly arguing over what "theft" is. Seems pretty clear cut to me but a lot of people seem to think that the moment someone walks away from their property, whether it be a trade binder worth hundreds of dollars or a few basic cards, it is no longer their property and thus fair game for anyone to take. I remember reading one guy's post, bragging not just that he had "acquired" a significant collection of cards from someone else, but that he had every right to, since the other guy "forgot them". Not only that, but he claimed that he was actually doing the guy a favour by teaching him an important lesson! Unbelievable. What about the time when a couple level 2s literally tackled a thief at a GP and held him until the police came? That guy got busted for grand theft because the backpack had a couple legacy decks in it. The lesson that everyone has to learn in the MTG tournament scene is this: nobody can tell who's stuff is whose, and cards are very easy to pick up and hide in a pocket/binder/backpack. So if you're careless and you leave your stuff on a table and then walk away, nobody will feel sorry for you. You're at a public event with several hundred people. You can't expect everyone to be honest, especially in a room full of card players. And then, even if the guy who picks up your deck is honest, how are you going to prove that it's your deck? Because you say so? Forget about it. That's why some TOs explain to everyone at the beginning of an event that it's up to you to watch your own stuff. There will always be people who are willing to commit crimes to get ahead, and we can't just expect people to behave a certain way and act morally. That doesn't mean we have to let our stuff get stolen, though--we all just have to watch our backs...and our stuff. That's life. | ||
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Msr
Korea (South)495 Posts
On December 04 2012 05:22 pekkasteele wrote: How can anyone say it is Naniwas own fault someone stole from him? Are you the same persons that say it is the raped girls fault because she had a short skirt? This whole discussion is stupid... whoever leaves their belongings somewhere in a public place is asking for them to get stolen, 100% his fault. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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redDuke
Australia207 Posts
On December 03 2012 00:18 Msr wrote: That sucks, but it's most likely his own fault for getting it stolen. um yeah sure dumbass... | ||
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msl
Germany477 Posts
On December 05 2012 21:02 iamhope wrote: 1st) Partially Naniwa's fault 2nd) It wasn't an armed hand robbery, it was stolen because he left it somewhere. 3rd) Girl with short skirt walking in dangerous area has some kind of fault too (of course I can't compare to a stolen gear like you did). But she could've minimized her chances (like naniwa could). 4th) It's not about the theory that students discuss on his millionaire university of "what's right or wrong". It's about the practical aspect, and how the world really works. I've known Hope, and you Sir, are not Hope! | ||
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Farone
Netherlands1219 Posts
On December 05 2012 21:44 Msr wrote: whoever leaves their belongings somewhere in a public place is asking for them to get stolen, 100% his fault. this is what is exactly the problem with todays society. You should be able to leave your stuff anywhere you want. Other people shouldn't take it, no matter what. People thinking that is a LEGIT reason to take someone's belongings is ignorant. | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On December 05 2012 21:56 Farone wrote: this is what is exactly the problem with todays society. You should be able to leave your stuff anywhere you want. Other people shouldn't take it, no matter what. People thinking that is a LEGIT reason to take someone's belongings is ignorant. That's just a gross over generalization, leaving your property, especially concealed items or items hidden in bags / boxes etc in public places and avenues is seen as both a security and safety hazard and actually inconveniences other people who don't know what the correct course of action to do with them is. No one should be able to leave your stuff anywhere you want, especially on private property, because what you are leaving behind might be undesirable to the person who has to use that space. You can leave / take anything if there is expressed permission and consideration on both sides. Anyone who's ever rented space or had shared rooms or living spaces with other people know exactly what a nightmare it is dealing with people who leave their stuff everywhere, it's some times even more inconveniencing and frustrating than having your stuff taken from you. | ||
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tskarzyn
United States516 Posts
On December 05 2012 21:02 iamhope wrote: 1st) Partially Naniwa's fault 2nd) It wasn't an armed hand robbery, it was stolen because he left it somewhere. 3rd) Girl with short skirt walking in dangerous area has some kind of fault too (of course I can't compare to a stolen gear like you did). But she could've minimized her chances (like naniwa could). 4th) It's not about the theory that students discuss on his millionaire university of "what's right or wrong". It's about the practical aspect, and how the world really works. off tangent but.... rapists target girls who appear to lack confidence and don't look like they'll put up a fight, and these girls are usually not dressed in "short skirts" or low cut tops. | ||
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TaShadan
Germany1978 Posts
On December 03 2012 00:18 Msr wrote: That sucks, but it's most likely his own fault for getting it stolen. I have to admit that i dont like Naniwa, but what is wrong with you? | ||
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Ficetool
Germany165 Posts
On December 05 2012 21:56 Farone wrote: this is what is exactly the problem with todays society. You should be able to leave your stuff anywhere you want. Other people shouldn't take it, no matter what. People thinking that is a LEGIT reason to take someone's belongings is ignorant. Should and would don't work with someone who doesn't care and steals stuff. Believing it to be so is stupid. Of course it's wrong to steal stuff, but as was mentioned several times: there are enough people who don't care about that fact. Thus it is up to you to prevent it from happening. If you give them the chance: it's your fault for giving them the opportunity. Giving them the opportunity still doesn't make the theft any illegal, but you are at fault as well since you acted negligent. edit: and the guy's example with the women was perfect actually. No matte what right a woman should have, fact is that you are not entirely free to do as you wish in our society. If a woman dressed like this walks into a area which is crime infested it's partly her fault that something bad happens. This stil ldoesn't excuse a raper or anyone in anyway, but she could have minimized chances. Another example is sports. If you are going to a match and your team wins. Afterwards you walk to your car happily sining and dressed in your team's colors while there is a group of rival finas next to you you are at fault as well. You could have minimized the chances of getting beaten up, but you chose not to and took the risk...and it back fired so to summarize: stealing is still a crime and is forbidden, but if you act negligent you are at fault for it happening as humas are bad and you should know it | ||
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cari-kira
Germany655 Posts
you saw they had a little arguement with the thief pointing at his bag like "you better put this tablet in your bag, somebody could steal it!", and going away as if nothing had happened. stealing is common at such events with many immature guys and expensive small gadgets like phones, tablets and gear lying around everywhere. | ||
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Grend
1600 Posts
I just find this a little funny, he seems to give so many people hell all the time, good that some person decided to even up the score a little imo | ||
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Nerchio
Poland2633 Posts
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iamhope
Afghanistan51 Posts
On December 05 2012 21:32 Odecey wrote: iamhope: I'm speechless. The suggestion that you can't expect to have your things left in peace while you go for a bathroom break is ridiculous. One should be able to expect a certain law abiding standard, especially in a setting where that equipment is actually needed to perform. The one who took it was an opportunistic cunt, and the blame lies entirely with him/her. Your third point frankly makes you look like a chauvinistic caricature from the fifties. Get with the times; a girl these days has her own right to decide what she wears and where, without having to consider being molested on the way to the grocery store due to her skirt being "too short" by some arbitrary standard determined by a would-be rapist. Point 4: Despite what you might think, relying on other people following the law is not naive, but entirely reasonable behaviour. If we all were acting as if the next guy we meet might shank us for our wallet society would collapse. Its not a suggestion, is the REALITY.. You can't left your things in peace while you go for a bathroom. The whole fucking world knows that. Yes, the guy who took is a cunt, he's 100% wrong. My third point was raised by other people, I think the comparison is totally nonsense, but anyway, I just showed my opinion that If you look for trouble, you will have. And that you can avoid or minimize it. point 4) We all act like that already on some countries. The society didn't collapse. You guys try to think in the IDEAL world. But that's not our world. You might aim for that, but your actions in the present needs to adapt to its reality. Check your logic: Leaving your money on the table.. you know people might steal. You leave it. You get robbed You say: "I'm pissed! It's not my fault" | ||
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AnachronisticAnarchy
United States2957 Posts
On December 05 2012 21:32 Odecey wrote: iamhope: I'm speechless. The suggestion that you can't expect to have your things left in peace while you go for a bathroom break is ridiculous. One should be able to expect a certain law abiding standard, especially in a setting where that equipment is actually needed to perform. The one who took it was an opportunistic cunt, and the blame lies entirely with him/her. Your third point frankly makes you look like a chauvinistic caricature from the fifties. Get with the times; a girl these days has her own right to decide what she wears and where, without having to consider being molested on the way to the grocery store due to her skirt being "too short" by some arbitrary standard determined by a would-be rapist. Point 4: Despite what you might think, relying on other people following the law is not naive, but entirely reasonable behaviour. If we all were acting as if the next guy we meet might shank us for our wallet society would collapse. Relying on other people following the law is unbelievably retarded and naive, and taking it to the extreme to prove your point proves absolutely nothing. Naniwa has some degree of fault in this situation; however, that doesn't in any way make the thief any less of a douche. Similarly, if a girl is walking around with a short skirt alone in a high risk area, then she has made a horrible, horrible mistake. Naturally, if she gets raped, that doesn't make the rapist any less of a terrible person or any less the rapist's fault; however, said woman possesses some degree of fault as well for the situation as she made a pretty major mistake. Basically, it's like walking around in a gang area while flipping a gold coin. If you get robbed, the robber isn't any less of a jerk for robbing you, and he isn't at any less fault for the crime; however, that doesn't change the fact that it was fucking retarded to practically show off your gold coin to all the poor, violent, drug-addicted criminals in the area. What I'm saying is, fault isn't a constant value that can only be distributed differently. There can be differing total amounts of fault, spread among different people. To go back to the rape example, the rapist is 100% at fault. All blame for the rape crime needs to go to him. However, the woman could also simultaneously possess, say, 10% of the fault. While it isn't her fault that there are people like that in the world who would do that, she (let's assume that she has some degree of street smarts and at least one guy friend who would help her if she didn't have a ride, most people are like that) put herself in a high risk situation that she could have avoided. | ||
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Pucca
Taiwan1280 Posts
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Bunku
Finland20 Posts
And some people are reaching when comparing this petty thievery to raping and stuff, please. You leave your stuff unattended and then they get stolen. Yeah, its the thief who is guilty, but at least I would blame myself for being that stupid to leave my stuff to be that _easily_ stolen. When you leave your stuff like that, it really _raises_ the chances that your stuff gets stolen. It would be different if it was some break n enter, but in this case it seems it wasn't. | ||
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phyre112
United States3090 Posts
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Snusmumriken
Sweden1717 Posts
Theres a big difference between saying naniwa shouldnt leave his gear lying around and saying hes to BLAME for it being stolen. The first is simply a statement of fact, ie the nature of the world is such that if a does x then y is likely to occur hence a shouldnt do x if a wants to avoid y. The second is a normative proposition and ventures into the territory of justifying whatever bullshit you can think up just because "the world is such". | ||
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VoirDire
Sweden1923 Posts
On December 06 2012 23:14 phyre112 wrote: I don't really understand why people are so picky about gaming equipment anyway... Sure, Naniwa is left handed, so he uses a lefthanded mouse - I suppose I get that much, bet the rest of it? Mechanical keyboards, the different switches, programmable mice, certain mousepads, etc. etc. - it's ridiculous. You don't see players in real sports blaming a missed shot on equipment, I can't figure out why gamers think it makes such a big deal. Bad analogy. In "real" sports, they usually don't have a problem with people stealing their equipment. If you forced a tennis player play with a different racket or a golfer play with another set of clubs you can be sure they would blame the equipment if they lost. | ||
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Bunku
Finland20 Posts
On December 06 2012 23:31 Snusmumriken wrote: people confuse what we have to do and what we should do. We have to carry shit around with us because of douchebags, but we shouldnt have to. The same people who argue naniwa is to blame for being mugged have the responsibility to show what the differendce is between this and arguing that its the womans fault for being raped since she was after all not walking with a man at her side at all times. Or indeed for being stoned to death for adultery. After all, she knew that was what would likely happen. Theres a big difference between saying naniwa shouldnt leave his gear lying around and saying hes to BLAME for it being stolen. The first is simply a statement of fact, ie the nature of the world is such that if a does x then y is likely to occur hence a shouldnt do x if a wants to avoid y. The second is a normative proposition and ventures into the territory of justifying whatever bullshit you can think up just because "the world is such". If you take a chance by leaving your gear to be easily stolen, you should blame yourself. If the thief comes and rips the gaming gear from your hands and runs away, then there was really nothing to do. If you badmouth a bigger dude and then get your ass handed to you, blame yourself. If someone just doesnt like your face and beats you up because of that, well that sucks and there is nothing to do. The world is such, doesnt mean anyone has to like it or accept it. Causality is always there, no denying it and one can affect the outcome by ones actions. | ||
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scruffeh
England196 Posts
On December 06 2012 09:05 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote: Relying on other people following the law is unbelievably retarded and naive, and taking it to the extreme to prove your point proves absolutely nothing. Naniwa has some degree of fault in this situation; however, that doesn't in any way make the thief any less of a douche. Similarly, if a girl is walking around with a short skirt alone in a high risk area, then she has made a horrible, horrible mistake. Naturally, if she gets raped, that doesn't make the rapist any less of a terrible person or any less the rapist's fault; however, said woman possesses some degree of fault as well for the situation as she made a pretty major mistake. Basically, it's like walking around in a gang area while flipping a gold coin. If you get robbed, the robber isn't any less of a jerk for robbing you, and he isn't at any less fault for the crime; however, that doesn't change the fact that it was fucking retarded to practically show off your gold coin to all the poor, violent, drug-addicted criminals in the area. What I'm saying is, fault isn't a constant value that can only be distributed differently. There can be differing total amounts of fault, spread among different people. To go back to the rape example, the rapist is 100% at fault. All blame for the rape crime needs to go to him. However, the woman could also simultaneously possess, say, 10% of the fault. While it isn't her fault that there are people like that in the world who would do that, she (let's assume that she has some degree of street smarts and at least one guy friend who would help her if she didn't have a ride, most people are like that) put herself in a high risk situation that she could have avoided. The rape/stealing comparison is not an intelligent one to make. There's been plenty of research/discussion into it, and it's just a myth, mostly propagated by idiots and the naive. It's just a reflection of how far we still have to come before we fully get away from the patriarchal roots of society. Have a look at the slutwalk movement, or do some cursory research into the area. | ||
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how2TL
1197 Posts
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Fyodor
Canada971 Posts
On December 05 2012 22:54 Nerchio wrote: I was sitting close to it and didn't see anyone stealing it but at some point I realised it disappeard :D Blame the Vodka. | ||
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Snusmumriken
Sweden1717 Posts
On December 06 2012 23:51 Bunku wrote: If you take a chance by leaving your gear to be easily stolen, you should blame yourself. If the thief comes and rips the gaming gear from your hands and runs away, then there was really nothing to do. If you badmouth a bigger dude and then get your ass handed to you, blame yourself. If someone just doesnt like your face and beats you up because of that, well that sucks and there is nothing to do. The world is such, doesnt mean anyone has to like it or accept it. Causality is always there, no denying it and one can affect the outcome by ones actions. Yeah dont quote me if you have no clue what Im talking about please. | ||
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
On December 05 2012 22:54 Nerchio wrote: I was sitting close to it and didn't see anyone stealing it but at some point I realised it disappeard :D Skillful thief, maybe able to blend in among everybody else. Somebody get their detective work going! | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On December 07 2012 00:10 Snusmumriken wrote: Yeah dont quote me if you have no clue what Im talking about please. Likewise to you buddy, nobody intelligent is saying that Nani should bear all of the blame, but part of it, which is reasonable. Edit: I remember attending an event with friends for something. I ask one friend to watch our stuff (4 people's worth of backpacks) for a few minutes so we can use the restroom. I come back to see him wandering around our stuff (kind of like Nerchio's being around it but not actually watching it) and I go off on him for not actually watching our shit. Fast forward 3 events later, he's the only person out of our group to lose stuff. When you attend live events in any capacity, keep track of your shit at all times or have someone reliable watch it for you. | ||
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b0rt_
Norway931 Posts
On December 06 2012 22:59 Bunku wrote: The naive dudes in this thread made me puke. Maybe Naniwa will learn something from this - not to trust them "safe" places, if there even were any. I'm sure Nani won't jump to such generic conclusions. What happens in Vegas... | ||
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DreamChaser
1649 Posts
On December 07 2012 00:05 how2TL wrote: What was Naniwa wearing? Maybe he should dress more conservatively. Damn his European style of clothes, that must be why they stole his equipment right? | ||
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Snusmumriken
Sweden1717 Posts
On December 07 2012 00:17 Judicator wrote: Likewise to you buddy, nobody intelligent is saying that Nani should bear all of the blame, but part of it, which is reasonable. Well I havent quoted anyone except he who didnt understand what I was saying so your comment is out of place. Second its not reasonable at all, and anyone who thinks so has the responsibility to show how this is any different from saying a woman out late at night being raped is not partly to blame. Logically different that is, just to make things perfectly clear. It seems to me people here are generally retarded and dont have the capacity to separate is from ought. Naniwa shouldnt have left his gear lying around, but only in the same sense that a woman who was raped shouldnt have been walking alone late at night. He shouldnt have because an unfortunate circumstance couldve been avoided, but the blame for this is entirely with the agent who actually caused it, namely the thief. By "partly blaming naniwa" youre effectively partly removing responsibility from the douchebags around the world who keep doing this simply because they can. The scary part is that they argue EXACTLY like you people do: "well he shouldnt have left it so its his fault really, I just did what someone else wouldve anyway durp di durp defencemechanisms ftw" A guy gets murdered in his home, but he was stupid enough not to have bought a gun (and lets assume murders often occur in this example) so then hes partly to blame? I think not. | ||
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Luiwtf
England217 Posts
On December 05 2012 22:54 Nerchio wrote: I was sitting close to it and didn't see anyone stealing it but at some point I realised it disappeard :D Nerchio clearly stole it :p. Edit: I forgot, Nerchio got beat by Nani, he even had motive! | ||
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Bunku
Finland20 Posts
On December 07 2012 00:10 Snusmumriken wrote: Yeah dont quote me if you have no clue what Im talking about please. I got your point. If I were to choose one or another: I would agree more with people who BLAME naniwa, than with the folk that are just naive and say that naniwa had no part to the outcome. ie. not agreeing totally with your second point. | ||
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AnomalySC2
United States2073 Posts
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ishyishy
United States826 Posts
How do you lose a backpack with a few things in it? Think about it, when you are playing, you are using the shit right? So they would be stealing an empty bag. While not playing, your backpack should be on your back right? So he clearly put it down, walked away from it for at least 15 minutes, and expected to come back and see it sitting there where he put it? What an idiot lol. | ||
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Bunku
Finland20 Posts
On December 07 2012 00:31 Snusmumriken wrote: Well I havent quoted anyone except he who didnt understand what I was saying so your comment is out of place. Second its not reasonable at all, and anyone who thinks so has the responsibility to show how this is any different from saying a woman out late at night being raped is not partly to blame. Logically different that is, just to make things perfectly clear. It seems to me people here are generally retarded and dont have the capacity to separate is from ought. Naniwa shouldnt have left his gear lying around, but only in the same sense that a woman who was raped shouldnt have been walking alone late at night. He shouldnt have because an unfortunate circumstance couldve been avoided, but the blame for this is entirely with the agent who actually caused it, namely the thief. By "partly blaming naniwa" youre effectively partly removing responsibility from the douchebags around the world who keep doing this simply because they can. The scary part is that they argue EXACTLY like you people do: "well he shouldnt have left it so its his fault really, I just did what someone else wouldve anyway durp di durp defencemechanisms ftw" A guy gets murdered in his home, but he was stupid enough not to have bought a gun (and lets assume murders often occur in this example) so then hes partly to blame? I think not. Reaching much? That last example is plain stupid. I think the situations here are putting yourself into position to get robbed or mugged. Why didnt you just go and say "It was your fault to live in hiroshima 1945". Both examples are equally stupid. And I can only think that either you are raging or don't really have anything better to say. Someone might have no intention of stealing naniwas stuff, but because they were there he just took it. Just like you described in the first paragraph, there are these fucking people who just do it, because they can and they think they can get away with it. It sucks. Partly blaming naniwa doesnt take the blame off from the thief. He would get the same sentence or fine anyway. And because the thief would "defend" himself by saying: "I took the chance", the police probably would advice the guy who had his shit stolen to not leave his shit lying around on public places. Ie. Maybe implying that it was stupid to do and you could say maybe it was a bit of your own fault. But when talking about stealing a mouse and keyboard vs. rape or murder. I would say if you put out a poll that "if you had a chance to steal 100 euros, would you. Same for rape and murder. I still think the percentages would be the highest at stealing 100 euros, and least on the murder. Thieving not physical, rape and murder physical, dunno why people always play the rapecard. I dont really know what the problem is with taking some responsibility and blame yourself when you get shit stolen from you. Maybe some people just cant handle making mistakes. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On December 07 2012 00:31 Snusmumriken wrote: A guy gets murdered in his home, but he was stupid enough not to have bought a gun (and lets assume murders often occur in this example) so then hes partly to blame? I think not. If he left his door open, then he has some of the blame, at least make equivalent arguments; Nani was either careless or not careful enough with his stuff and it go stolen. Again, people are saying that Nani needed to be more careful with his stuff. As for removing blame from the offenders, no? Nobody is absolving the thieves, stop assuming that just because some blame is being assigned to Nani means the thieves are now free of their crime. I have no idea where you are getting this from. Would it make you feel better if people said Nani needs to be more careful with his stuff at events? Because that's exactly what most sensible people are saying. | ||
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tabeatz
United States83 Posts
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
On December 07 2012 03:06 tabeatz wrote: Did he ever find it? And it's really too bad that he had to have Vortix replace him, made the line up too Zerg-heavy and life just knocked em down. No, he ordered/received new parts recently and started streaming today I believe according to his twitter. sucks but glad he's back. | ||
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Gothic
Sweden122 Posts
On December 07 2012 01:23 ishyishy wrote: Ooooh no someone stole a few hundred dollars worth of replaceable stuff, that he probably got for free from some old sponsor or team... According to Nani himself the gear was worth roughly 1000 euro, which is way more than a few hundred dollars. Check your facts before you post. | ||
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Bunku
Finland20 Posts
On December 07 2012 03:11 Gothic wrote: According to Nani himself the gear was worth roughly 1000 euro, which is way more than a few hundred dollars. Check your facts before you post. Let us see them facts then. You happen to know people usually lie the amount being too high, especially in the cases of thievery, to get some more money from the insurance company. Not saying its always the case. | ||
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how2TL
1197 Posts
On December 07 2012 03:39 Bunku wrote: Let us see them facts then. You happen to know people usually lie the amount being too high, especially in the cases of thievery, to get some more money from the insurance company. Not saying its always the case. People frequently talk shit on forums to inflate their own ego because they're insecure about their own lives. Not saying that YOU're doing it, of course. | ||
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Zach426
United States60 Posts
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randoomguy
Sweden82 Posts
On December 07 2012 05:29 Zach426 wrote: Can someone enlighten me on which keyboard and mouse combo is worth a thousand euros? Were they gold plated? i can think of quite alot of keyboard,mouse,mousepad and headsett that would cost that, yes idd i do | ||
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Zach426
United States60 Posts
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Bunku
Finland20 Posts
On December 07 2012 05:00 how2TL wrote: People frequently talk shit on forums to inflate their own ego because they're insecure about their own lives. Not saying that YOU're doing it, of course. Yeap, good one. Really catches what we were talking about in here. Being butthurt. | ||
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