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On December 03 2012 08:45 BlackGosu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 08:40 Larkin wrote:On December 03 2012 00:40 foxj wrote:On December 03 2012 00:23 nimdil wrote:On December 03 2012 00:18 Msr wrote:
That sucks, but it's most likely his own fault for getting it stolen. Oo. So now thief is not guilty of a theft? Weird ethics. It's normal ethics, because you were careless and didn't take care of your own stuffs, it will be considered as your fault first. Maybe it's normal for Asian but Westerner. edit: Hope they will find out who has stolen them ~~ You're the kind of person who says that someone who is raped is to blame, not the rapist. that is a horrible analogy. if you leave your shit lying around, people are definitely gonna take it. it's human nature to be greedy and selfish. i guess this can serve a good learning experience for naniwa
no its not.. its human nature to be compassionate and generous. fault is at who acts agains that
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On December 03 2012 08:59 Cuce wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 08:45 BlackGosu wrote:On December 03 2012 08:40 Larkin wrote:On December 03 2012 00:40 foxj wrote:On December 03 2012 00:23 nimdil wrote:On December 03 2012 00:18 Msr wrote:
That sucks, but it's most likely his own fault for getting it stolen. Oo. So now thief is not guilty of a theft? Weird ethics. It's normal ethics, because you were careless and didn't take care of your own stuffs, it will be considered as your fault first. Maybe it's normal for Asian but Westerner. edit: Hope they will find out who has stolen them ~~ You're the kind of person who says that someone who is raped is to blame, not the rapist. that is a horrible analogy. if you leave your shit lying around, people are definitely gonna take it. it's human nature to be greedy and selfish. i guess this can serve a good learning experience for naniwa no its not.. its human nature to be compassionate and generous. fault is at who acts agains that
..actually, it's human nature to not be compassionate and generous.
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Dear thief of Naniwa's stuff: Thank you for doing what you did. Now we have an excuse for what's happening in korea vs world, even if it's a terrible excuse.
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Actually, it's human nature to make deductions. Something in the possible thief's life caused him to deduce that taking something that is not his is alright.
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On December 03 2012 09:06 Jasiwel wrote:
Actually, it's human nature to make deductions. Something in the possible thief's life caused him to deduce that taking something that is not his is alright.
deduction has nothing to do with human nature.
edit: just saying, but hey.
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On December 03 2012 09:02 Shinespark wrote:
Dear thief of Naniwa's stuff: Thank you for doing what you did. Now we have an excuse for what's happening in korea vs world, even if it's a terrible excuse.
Dear thief of Naniwa's stuff: Thank you for giving Stephano the opportunity for an all kill since Naniwa won't be available to take a game off the Korean team
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On December 03 2012 10:01 autoexec wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 09:02 Shinespark wrote:
Dear thief of Naniwa's stuff: Thank you for doing what you did. Now we have an excuse for what's happening in korea vs world, even if it's a terrible excuse. Dear thief of Naniwa's stuff: Thank you for giving Stephano the opportunity for an all kill since Naniwa won't be available to take a game off the Korean team
+1
I am really enjoying Stephano right now. Let's hope he can keep it up against Seed! Sorry Nani, but understand you are going to have to take one for the team now!
Hopefully, it was just his stuff getting misplaced.
Edit: Typo
Edit2: Typo in quote above ^^
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It's hilarious because if his shit got stolen and he was still in IPL5 he would be playing on any mouse+keyboard he could find.
Naniwa doesn't seem to give a fuck about the fans, and after he lost yesterday + the fact these games don't mean anything to him, I am sure he was just looking for an excuse not to play (not saying his stuff wasn't stolen, but I've never heard of anybody else's stuff disappearing, I mean, people have even returned various keys to IdrA when he smashed his keyboard.)
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Wouldn't him withdrawing from GSL WC Day 2 also be because no one in Vegas owns Mionix gear?
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On December 03 2012 06:56 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 06:49 DreamChaser wrote:On December 03 2012 06:32 Picklebread wrote:On December 03 2012 06:29 nihlon wrote:On December 03 2012 06:22 Picklebread wrote:On December 03 2012 06:16 Figgy wrote:On December 03 2012 00:59 S_SienZ wrote:On December 03 2012 00:54 -Kyo- wrote:
Being stolen from literally means you are the victim and hence it cannot be your fault. So if I leave my debit card in a card machine by accident and walk off, and the store keeper takes it, I'm not even partially at fault? Even if you'd argue I'm not at fault in the focal sense of the word, it would still be fucking stupid on my part. The victim can never be guilty, but sometimes you are partially responsible for getting yourself into certain situations. On December 03 2012 00:56 dde wrote:
rape and lost property that can easily be protected is totally different. If he kept him with him no one coulda stole it i think thats what he meant. Exactly. Your logic is retarded. That's like saying it was Mr. Bitters fault he got robbed for $2000 because he wanted to take a Taxi to his hotel. Shit happens, you can't be safe all the time from everything especially with so many evil people running about in places with over 5000 people. And to blame it at all on the victim when you have no idea the circumstances is crazy talk. You really cant compare getting mugged to getting your stuff stolen, especially when we dont even know the full story. If naniwa say left his bag on a chair and theres no one around to look after it, then whos to say the guy that takes it even KNOWS that it was naniwas? he just saw a bag and thought "oh im going to take it." This is assuming that the guy took it while naniwa was away and didnt know it was naniwas, if he did know then its just a dick move, but if you leave your shit alone then dont be surprised if people take it. It is a dick move, still. Now, if naniwa was sitting with his bag and he stood up cause he was cheering for leenock or something and while he was distracted a guy took it, then thats just plain f'd up. Need to know more of the story, but its most likely its naniwas fault for leaving his bag alone. If i left my backpack on the bus or something and i forgot it, and someone jacks it, its my fault for leaving it. simple as that. Now, when you say that guys logic is "retarded" then you need to back it up well. Comparing stealing to getting mugged is kind've ridiculous logic if you ask me. If i went to the bathroom at a rest stop and i left my guitar on a bench, then its my fault if it gets stolen no questions asked. Its a bare amount of caution because people do stuff like that :/ By that logic it would be your own fault if someone kidnapped your kid unless you keep an eye on him/her 100 % of the time. It's an unreasonable thing to expect that people keep an eye on everything they own constantly without getting their shit stolen. Kidnapping a kid is completely different then jacking someones stuff. Its a different case for different things. If you are a decent person then you wont jack someone's stuff like that, but not all people are "decent". Yea while were at this lets discuss Obama's upcoming policy for this upcoming fiscal year! Please god no. Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 06:51 brachester wrote:
Naniwa got his stuff stolen thread -> arguments about human ethic... Well this IS Team Liquid. I once went into a philosophy thread about morality, and before we even got into the second page some guy made a post stating that the OP was faulty as morality itself doesn't exist, and followed that up with a couple of paragraphs of his reasoning.
Yeah I forgot about how every discussion turned into some ridiculous debate about something petty or irrelevant. Once got into one with someone who was arguing that bullying is a good thing.
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On December 03 2012 10:05 trGKakarot wrote:
It's hilarious because if his shit got stolen and he was still in IPL5 he would be playing on any mouse+keyboard he could find.
Naniwa doesn't seem to give a fuck about the fans, and after he lost yesterday + the fact these games don't mean anything to him, I am sure he was just looking for an excuse not to play (not saying his stuff wasn't stolen, but I've never heard of anybody else's stuff disappearing, I mean, people have even returned various keys to IdrA when he smashed his keyboard.)
All of his gear is left handed and he couldn't find a replacement...
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On December 03 2012 10:12 Darclite wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 10:05 trGKakarot wrote:
It's hilarious because if his shit got stolen and he was still in IPL5 he would be playing on any mouse+keyboard he could find.
Naniwa doesn't seem to give a fuck about the fans, and after he lost yesterday + the fact these games don't mean anything to him, I am sure he was just looking for an excuse not to play (not saying his stuff wasn't stolen, but I've never heard of anybody else's stuff disappearing, I mean, people have even returned various keys to IdrA when he smashed his keyboard.) All of his gear is left handed and he couldn't find a replacement...
I get that, but back to the point of if the game had meaning, he wouldn't simply say, "Oh, I lost my stuff too bad, I will just take 4th at IPL5 and drop out of the tournament."
There are plenty of mice which are for righty+lefty (sure it isn't what he is used to, so it would be a stretch to play/win, but I mean LosirA has won games with his keyboard not working the entire game). Just leaves a bad taste in your mouth after his history and not putting forth any effort to play.
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On December 03 2012 10:17 trGKakarot wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 10:12 Darclite wrote:On December 03 2012 10:05 trGKakarot wrote:
It's hilarious because if his shit got stolen and he was still in IPL5 he would be playing on any mouse+keyboard he could find.
Naniwa doesn't seem to give a fuck about the fans, and after he lost yesterday + the fact these games don't mean anything to him, I am sure he was just looking for an excuse not to play (not saying his stuff wasn't stolen, but I've never heard of anybody else's stuff disappearing, I mean, people have even returned various keys to IdrA when he smashed his keyboard.) All of his gear is left handed and he couldn't find a replacement... I get that, but back to the point of if the game had meaning, he wouldn't simply say, "Oh, I lost my stuff too bad, I will just take 4th at IPL5 and drop out of the tournament." There are plenty of mice which are for righty+lefty (sure it isn't what he is used to, so it would be a stretch to play/win, but I mean LosirA has won games with his keyboard not working the entire game). Just leaves a bad taste in your mouth after his history and not putting forth any effort to play.
So basically, you want him to play under suboptimal conditions in a team event instead of giving someone else a chance to play with their proper equipment. How selfish of him.
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On December 03 2012 00:33 nihlon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 00:18 Acritter wrote:
We're not sure if it's stolen, so that title is a little off-color.
Here's to its safe return. He said himself on twitter it was stolen.
So if he said it was stolen I should believe him? Well maybe he is lying, maybe not. But we don't know the truth. But I hope he finds his stuff back or get his stuff back.
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On December 03 2012 10:17 trGKakarot wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 10:12 Darclite wrote:On December 03 2012 10:05 trGKakarot wrote:
It's hilarious because if his shit got stolen and he was still in IPL5 he would be playing on any mouse+keyboard he could find.
Naniwa doesn't seem to give a fuck about the fans, and after he lost yesterday + the fact these games don't mean anything to him, I am sure he was just looking for an excuse not to play (not saying his stuff wasn't stolen, but I've never heard of anybody else's stuff disappearing, I mean, people have even returned various keys to IdrA when he smashed his keyboard.) All of his gear is left handed and he couldn't find a replacement... I get that, but back to the point of if the game had meaning, he wouldn't simply say, "Oh, I lost my stuff too bad, I will just take 4th at IPL5 and drop out of the tournament." There are plenty of mice which are for righty+lefty (sure it isn't what he is used to, so it would be a stretch to play/win, but I mean LosirA has won games with his keyboard not working the entire game). Just leaves a bad taste in your mouth after his history and not putting forth any effort to play.
You have to understand, generally mice that aren't super cheap have a curve to one side and they'll have buttons for your thumb. Aside from the fact that in a game that requires fast and accurate clicking / dragging a differently shaped and different sensitivity for the mouse will slow you down, you can't use the 4+ buttons on the mouse with your pinky...
So considering it's a team competition, it'd be more absurd for him to say he's still better than Vortix even when he can't select his units right or place his forcefields accurately.
Note it's not like his game yesterday was embarrassing. He didn't win, but he was close at times; it wasn't lopsided.
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On December 03 2012 10:22 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 10:17 trGKakarot wrote:On December 03 2012 10:12 Darclite wrote:On December 03 2012 10:05 trGKakarot wrote:
It's hilarious because if his shit got stolen and he was still in IPL5 he would be playing on any mouse+keyboard he could find.
Naniwa doesn't seem to give a fuck about the fans, and after he lost yesterday + the fact these games don't mean anything to him, I am sure he was just looking for an excuse not to play (not saying his stuff wasn't stolen, but I've never heard of anybody else's stuff disappearing, I mean, people have even returned various keys to IdrA when he smashed his keyboard.) All of his gear is left handed and he couldn't find a replacement... I get that, but back to the point of if the game had meaning, he wouldn't simply say, "Oh, I lost my stuff too bad, I will just take 4th at IPL5 and drop out of the tournament." There are plenty of mice which are for righty+lefty (sure it isn't what he is used to, so it would be a stretch to play/win, but I mean LosirA has won games with his keyboard not working the entire game). Just leaves a bad taste in your mouth after his history and not putting forth any effort to play. So basically, you want him to play under suboptimal conditions in a team event instead of giving someone else a chance to play with their proper equipment. How selfish of him.
I would much rather him not play; regardless of the fact it is a team event.
Although, he qualified and fans + players are expecting to see him / play against him. I'm just saying, when you play a video game for money, you need to realize how fortunate that opportunity is and appreciate it, most players would have persevered and tried to put on as good of games for the fans as possible.
Just says a lot about his character, IMO.
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On December 03 2012 10:29 trGKakarot wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 10:22 GolemMadness wrote:On December 03 2012 10:17 trGKakarot wrote:On December 03 2012 10:12 Darclite wrote:On December 03 2012 10:05 trGKakarot wrote:
It's hilarious because if his shit got stolen and he was still in IPL5 he would be playing on any mouse+keyboard he could find.
Naniwa doesn't seem to give a fuck about the fans, and after he lost yesterday + the fact these games don't mean anything to him, I am sure he was just looking for an excuse not to play (not saying his stuff wasn't stolen, but I've never heard of anybody else's stuff disappearing, I mean, people have even returned various keys to IdrA when he smashed his keyboard.) All of his gear is left handed and he couldn't find a replacement... I get that, but back to the point of if the game had meaning, he wouldn't simply say, "Oh, I lost my stuff too bad, I will just take 4th at IPL5 and drop out of the tournament." There are plenty of mice which are for righty+lefty (sure it isn't what he is used to, so it would be a stretch to play/win, but I mean LosirA has won games with his keyboard not working the entire game). Just leaves a bad taste in your mouth after his history and not putting forth any effort to play. So basically, you want him to play under suboptimal conditions in a team event instead of giving someone else a chance to play with their proper equipment. How selfish of him. I would much rather him not play; regardless of the fact it is a team event. Although, he qualified and fans + players are expecting to see him / play against him. I'm just saying, when you play a video game for money, you need to realize how fortunate that opportunity is and appreciate it, most players would have persevered and tried to put on as good of games for the fans as possible. Just says a lot about his character, IMO.
But he can't put on his best possible game, so he's giving someone else who can show their best possible game a chance to play. This is a ridiculous thing to complain about.
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i hope he gets his kit back.
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On December 03 2012 00:33 covetousrat wrote:
The thief should get shot Slow down there hoss. Punished yes, shot...maybe a bit over the top? That really sucks for Nani, hope they recover the stuff.
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On December 03 2012 10:47 Lobotomist wrote:Slow down there hoss. Punished yes, shot...maybe a bit over the top? That really sucks for Nani, hope they recover the stuff.
Don't worry. I'm guessing its a 12 year old fanboy overreacting.
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