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Luiwtf
Profile Joined January 2011
England217 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-06 15:39:01
December 06 2012 15:35 GMT
#241
On December 05 2012 22:54 Nerchio wrote:
I was sitting close to it and didn't see anyone stealing it but at some point I realised it disappeard :D


Nerchio clearly stole it :p.

Edit: I forgot, Nerchio got beat by Nani, he even had motive!
Bunku
Profile Joined May 2010
Finland20 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-06 16:15:49
December 06 2012 16:13 GMT
#242
On December 07 2012 00:10 Snusmumriken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2012 23:51 Bunku wrote:
On December 06 2012 23:31 Snusmumriken wrote:
people confuse what we have to do and what we should do. We have to carry shit around with us because of douchebags, but we shouldnt have to. The same people who argue naniwa is to blame for being mugged have the responsibility to show what the differendce is between this and arguing that its the womans fault for being raped since she was after all not walking with a man at her side at all times. Or indeed for being stoned to death for adultery. After all, she knew that was what would likely happen.

Theres a big difference between saying naniwa shouldnt leave his gear lying around and saying hes to BLAME for it being stolen. The first is simply a statement of fact, ie the nature of the world is such that if a does x then y is likely to occur hence a shouldnt do x if a wants to avoid y. The second is a normative proposition and ventures into the territory of justifying whatever bullshit you can think up just because "the world is such".


If you take a chance by leaving your gear to be easily stolen, you should blame yourself.

If the thief comes and rips the gaming gear from your hands and runs away, then there was really nothing to do.

If you badmouth a bigger dude and then get your ass handed to you, blame yourself.

If someone just doesnt like your face and beats you up because of that, well that sucks and there is nothing to do.

The world is such, doesnt mean anyone has to like it or accept it. Causality is always there, no denying it and one can affect the outcome by ones actions.


Yeah dont quote me if you have no clue what Im talking about please.


I got your point. If I were to choose one or another: I would agree more with people who BLAME naniwa, than with the folk that are just naive and say that naniwa had no part to the outcome. ie. not agreeing totally with your second point.
AnomalySC2
Profile Joined August 2012
United States2073 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-06 16:18:49
December 06 2012 16:18 GMT
#243
I dunno why but this made me lol. I picture some huge Nani fan stealing his mouse/keyboard and putting it in a trophy case or something in his house.
ishyishy
Profile Joined February 2011
United States826 Posts
December 06 2012 16:23 GMT
#244
Ooooh no someone stole a few hundred dollars worth of replaceable stuff, that he probably got for free from some old sponsor or team...

How do you lose a backpack with a few things in it? Think about it, when you are playing, you are using the shit right? So they would be stealing an empty bag. While not playing, your backpack should be on your back right? So he clearly put it down, walked away from it for at least 15 minutes, and expected to come back and see it sitting there where he put it? What an idiot lol.
Bunku
Profile Joined May 2010
Finland20 Posts
December 06 2012 16:52 GMT
#245
On December 07 2012 00:31 Snusmumriken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2012 00:17 Judicator wrote:
On December 07 2012 00:10 Snusmumriken wrote:
On December 06 2012 23:51 Bunku wrote:
On December 06 2012 23:31 Snusmumriken wrote:
people confuse what we have to do and what we should do. We have to carry shit around with us because of douchebags, but we shouldnt have to. The same people who argue naniwa is to blame for being mugged have the responsibility to show what the differendce is between this and arguing that its the womans fault for being raped since she was after all not walking with a man at her side at all times. Or indeed for being stoned to death for adultery. After all, she knew that was what would likely happen.

Theres a big difference between saying naniwa shouldnt leave his gear lying around and saying hes to BLAME for it being stolen. The first is simply a statement of fact, ie the nature of the world is such that if a does x then y is likely to occur hence a shouldnt do x if a wants to avoid y. The second is a normative proposition and ventures into the territory of justifying whatever bullshit you can think up just because "the world is such".


If you take a chance by leaving your gear to be easily stolen, you should blame yourself.

If the thief comes and rips the gaming gear from your hands and runs away, then there was really nothing to do.

If you badmouth a bigger dude and then get your ass handed to you, blame yourself.

If someone just doesnt like your face and beats you up because of that, well that sucks and there is nothing to do.

The world is such, doesnt mean anyone has to like it or accept it. Causality is always there, no denying it and one can affect the outcome by ones actions.


Yeah dont quote me if you have no clue what Im talking about please.


Likewise to you buddy, nobody intelligent is saying that Nani should bear all of the blame, but part of it, which is reasonable.


Well I havent quoted anyone except he who didnt understand what I was saying so your comment is out of place. Second its not reasonable at all, and anyone who thinks so has the responsibility to show how this is any different from saying a woman out late at night being raped is not partly to blame. Logically different that is, just to make things perfectly clear. It seems to me people here are generally retarded and dont have the capacity to separate is from ought. Naniwa shouldnt have left his gear lying around, but only in the same sense that a woman who was raped shouldnt have been walking alone late at night. He shouldnt have because an unfortunate circumstance couldve been avoided, but the blame for this is entirely with the agent who actually caused it, namely the thief. By "partly blaming naniwa" youre effectively partly removing responsibility from the douchebags around the world who keep doing this simply because they can. The scary part is that they argue EXACTLY like you people do: "well he shouldnt have left it so its his fault really, I just did what someone else wouldve anyway durp di durp defencemechanisms ftw"

A guy gets murdered in his home, but he was stupid enough not to have bought a gun (and lets assume murders often occur in this example) so then hes partly to blame? I think not.


Reaching much? That last example is plain stupid. I think the situations here are putting yourself into position to get robbed or mugged. Why didnt you just go and say "It was your fault to live in hiroshima 1945". Both examples are equally stupid. And I can only think that either you are raging or don't really have anything better to say.

Someone might have no intention of stealing naniwas stuff, but because they were there he just took it. Just like you described in the first paragraph, there are these fucking people who just do it, because they can and they think they can get away with it. It sucks.

Partly blaming naniwa doesnt take the blame off from the thief. He would get the same sentence or fine anyway. And because the thief would "defend" himself by saying: "I took the chance", the police probably would advice the guy who had his shit stolen to not leave his shit lying around on public places. Ie. Maybe implying that it was stupid to do and you could say maybe it was a bit of your own fault.

But when talking about stealing a mouse and keyboard vs. rape or murder. I would say if you put out a poll that "if you had a chance to steal 100 euros, would you. Same for rape and murder. I still think the percentages would be the highest at stealing 100 euros, and least on the murder. Thieving not physical, rape and murder physical, dunno why people always play the rapecard.

I dont really know what the problem is with taking some responsibility and blame yourself when you get shit stolen from you. Maybe some people just cant handle making mistakes.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
December 06 2012 17:06 GMT
#246
On December 07 2012 00:31 Snusmumriken wrote:
A guy gets murdered in his home, but he was stupid enough not to have bought a gun (and lets assume murders often occur in this example) so then hes partly to blame? I think not.


If he left his door open, then he has some of the blame, at least make equivalent arguments; Nani was either careless or not careful enough with his stuff and it go stolen. Again, people are saying that Nani needed to be more careful with his stuff.

As for removing blame from the offenders, no? Nobody is absolving the thieves, stop assuming that just because some blame is being assigned to Nani means the thieves are now free of their crime. I have no idea where you are getting this from.

Would it make you feel better if people said Nani needs to be more careful with his stuff at events? Because that's exactly what most sensible people are saying.
Get it by your hands...
tabeatz
Profile Joined October 2012
United States83 Posts
December 06 2012 18:06 GMT
#247
Did he ever find it? And it's really too bad that he had to have Vortix replace him, made the line up too Zerg-heavy and life just knocked em down.
For the love of the game
Kazeyonoma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2912 Posts
December 06 2012 18:10 GMT
#248
On December 07 2012 03:06 tabeatz wrote:
Did he ever find it? And it's really too bad that he had to have Vortix replace him, made the line up too Zerg-heavy and life just knocked em down.


No, he ordered/received new parts recently and started streaming today I believe according to his twitter. sucks but glad he's back.
I now have autographs of both BoxeR and NaDa. I can die happy. Lim Yo Hwan and Lee Yun Yeol FIGHTING forever!
Gothic
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden122 Posts
December 06 2012 18:11 GMT
#249
On December 07 2012 01:23 ishyishy wrote:
Ooooh no someone stole a few hundred dollars worth of replaceable stuff, that he probably got for free from some old sponsor or team...


According to Nani himself the gear was worth roughly 1000 euro, which is way more than a few hundred dollars. Check your facts before you post.
In the age of the internet, attaching a famous name to your personal opinion to give more weight to it is a very valid strategy. - Benjamin Franklin
Bunku
Profile Joined May 2010
Finland20 Posts
December 06 2012 18:39 GMT
#250
On December 07 2012 03:11 Gothic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2012 01:23 ishyishy wrote:
Ooooh no someone stole a few hundred dollars worth of replaceable stuff, that he probably got for free from some old sponsor or team...


According to Nani himself the gear was worth roughly 1000 euro, which is way more than a few hundred dollars. Check your facts before you post.


Let us see them facts then. You happen to know people usually lie the amount being too high, especially in the cases of thievery, to get some more money from the insurance company. Not saying its always the case.
how2TL
Profile Joined August 2010
1197 Posts
December 06 2012 20:00 GMT
#251
On December 07 2012 03:39 Bunku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2012 03:11 Gothic wrote:
On December 07 2012 01:23 ishyishy wrote:
Ooooh no someone stole a few hundred dollars worth of replaceable stuff, that he probably got for free from some old sponsor or team...


According to Nani himself the gear was worth roughly 1000 euro, which is way more than a few hundred dollars. Check your facts before you post.


Let us see them facts then. You happen to know people usually lie the amount being too high, especially in the cases of thievery, to get some more money from the insurance company. Not saying its always the case.


People frequently talk shit on forums to inflate their own ego because they're insecure about their own lives. Not saying that YOU're doing it, of course.
Zach426
Profile Joined February 2012
United States60 Posts
December 06 2012 20:29 GMT
#252
Can someone enlighten me on which keyboard and mouse combo is worth a thousand euros? Were they gold plated?
randoomguy
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden82 Posts
December 06 2012 21:01 GMT
#253
On December 07 2012 05:29 Zach426 wrote:
Can someone enlighten me on which keyboard and mouse combo is worth a thousand euros? Were they gold plated?


i can think of quite alot of keyboard,mouse,mousepad and headsett that would cost that, yes idd i do
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Zach426
Profile Joined February 2012
United States60 Posts
December 06 2012 21:21 GMT
#254
Can you link me to some examples? I am genuinely interested. The most I can find for a mouse, keyboard and headset comes to around €600
Bunku
Profile Joined May 2010
Finland20 Posts
December 07 2012 05:31 GMT
#255
On December 07 2012 05:00 how2TL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2012 03:39 Bunku wrote:
On December 07 2012 03:11 Gothic wrote:
On December 07 2012 01:23 ishyishy wrote:
Ooooh no someone stole a few hundred dollars worth of replaceable stuff, that he probably got for free from some old sponsor or team...


According to Nani himself the gear was worth roughly 1000 euro, which is way more than a few hundred dollars. Check your facts before you post.


Let us see them facts then. You happen to know people usually lie the amount being too high, especially in the cases of thievery, to get some more money from the insurance company. Not saying its always the case.


People frequently talk shit on forums to inflate their own ego because they're insecure about their own lives. Not saying that YOU're doing it, of course.


Yeap, good one. Really catches what we were talking about in here. Being butthurt.
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