[IPL5] Naniwa's Kit Stolen - Page 12

On December 05 2012 21:32 Odecey wrote:
iamhope: I'm speechless. The suggestion that you can't expect to have your things left in peace while you go for a bathroom break is ridiculous. One should be able to expect a certain law abiding standard, especially in a setting where that equipment is actually needed to perform. The one who took it was an opportunistic cunt, and the blame lies entirely with him/her.

Your third point frankly makes you look like a chauvinistic caricature from the fifties. Get with the times; a girl these days has her own right to decide what she wears and where, without having to consider being molested on the way to the grocery store due to her skirt being "too short" by some arbitrary standard determined by a would-be rapist.

Point 4: Despite what you might think, relying on other people following the law is not naive, but entirely reasonable behaviour. If we all were acting as if the next guy we meet might shank us for our wallet society would collapse.

On December 05 2012 21:32 Odecey wrote:
iamhope: I'm speechless. The suggestion that you can't expect to have your things left in peace while you go for a bathroom break is ridiculous. One should be able to expect a certain law abiding standard, especially in a setting where that equipment is actually needed to perform. The one who took it was an opportunistic cunt, and the blame lies entirely with him/her.

Your third point frankly makes you look like a chauvinistic caricature from the fifties. Get with the times; a girl these days has her own right to decide what she wears and where, without having to consider being molested on the way to the grocery store due to her skirt being "too short" by some arbitrary standard determined by a would-be rapist.

Point 4: Despite what you might think, relying on other people following the law is not naive, but entirely reasonable behaviour. If we all were acting as if the next guy we meet might shank us for our wallet society would collapse.

On December 06 2012 23:14 phyre112 wrote:
I don't really understand why people are so picky about gaming equipment anyway... Sure, Naniwa is left handed, so he uses a lefthanded mouse - I suppose I get that much, bet the rest of it? Mechanical keyboards, the different switches, programmable mice, certain mousepads, etc. etc. - it's ridiculous. You don't see players in real sports blaming a missed shot on equipment, I can't figure out why gamers think it makes such a big deal.

On December 06 2012 23:31 Snusmumriken wrote:
people confuse what we have to do and what we should do. We have to carry shit around with us because of douchebags, but we shouldnt have to. The same people who argue naniwa is to blame for being mugged have the responsibility to show what the differendce is between this and arguing that its the womans fault for being raped since she was after all not walking with a man at her side at all times. Or indeed for being stoned to death for adultery. After all, she knew that was what would likely happen.

Theres a big difference between saying naniwa shouldnt leave his gear lying around and saying hes to BLAME for it being stolen. The first is simply a statement of fact, ie the nature of the world is such that if a does x then y is likely to occur hence a shouldnt do x if a wants to avoid y. The second is a normative proposition and ventures into the territory of justifying whatever bullshit you can think up just because "the world is such".

On December 06 2012 09:05 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:


Relying on other people following the law is unbelievably retarded and naive, and taking it to the extreme to prove your point proves absolutely nothing.
Naniwa has some degree of fault in this situation; however, that doesn't in any way make the thief any less of a douche. Similarly, if a girl is walking around with a short skirt alone in a high risk area, then she has made a horrible, horrible mistake. Naturally, if she gets raped, that doesn't make the rapist any less of a terrible person or any less the rapist's fault; however, said woman possesses some degree of fault as well for the situation as she made a pretty major mistake.
Basically, it's like walking around in a gang area while flipping a gold coin. If you get robbed, the robber isn't any less of a jerk for robbing you, and he isn't at any less fault for the crime; however, that doesn't change the fact that it was fucking retarded to practically show off your gold coin to all the poor, violent, drug-addicted criminals in the area.
What I'm saying is, fault isn't a constant value that can only be distributed differently. There can be differing total amounts of fault, spread among different people. To go back to the rape example, the rapist is 100% at fault. All blame for the rape crime needs to go to him. However, the woman could also simultaneously possess, say, 10% of the fault. While it isn't her fault that there are people like that in the world who would do that, she (let's assume that she has some degree of street smarts and at least one guy friend who would help her if she didn't have a ride, most people are like that) put herself in a high risk situation that she could have avoided.

On December 05 2012 22:54 Nerchio wrote:
I was sitting close to it and didn't see anyone stealing it but at some point I realised it disappeard :D

On December 06 2012 23:51 Bunku wrote:


If you take a chance by leaving your gear to be easily stolen, you should blame yourself.

If the thief comes and rips the gaming gear from your hands and runs away, then there was really nothing to do.

If you badmouth a bigger dude and then get your ass handed to you, blame yourself.

If someone just doesnt like your face and beats you up because of that, well that sucks and there is nothing to do.

The world is such, doesnt mean anyone has to like it or accept it. Causality is always there, no denying it and one can affect the outcome by ones actions.

On December 05 2012 22:54 Nerchio wrote:
I was sitting close to it and didn't see anyone stealing it but at some point I realised it disappeard :D

On December 07 2012 00:10 Snusmumriken wrote:


Yeah dont quote me if you have no clue what Im talking about please.

On December 06 2012 22:59 Bunku wrote:
The naive dudes in this thread made me puke. Maybe Naniwa will learn something from this - not to trust them "safe" places, if there even were any.

On December 07 2012 00:05 how2TL wrote:
What was Naniwa wearing? Maybe he should dress more conservatively.

On December 07 2012 00:17 Judicator wrote:


Likewise to you buddy, nobody intelligent is saying that Nani should bear all of the blame, but part of it, which is reasonable.