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cari-kira
Germany655 Posts
you saw they had a little arguement with the thief pointing at his bag like "you better put this tablet in your bag, somebody could steal it!", and going away as if nothing had happened. stealing is common at such events with many immature guys and expensive small gadgets like phones, tablets and gear lying around everywhere. | ||
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Grend
1600 Posts
I just find this a little funny, he seems to give so many people hell all the time, good that some person decided to even up the score a little imo  | ||
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Nerchio
Poland2633 Posts
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iamhope
Afghanistan51 Posts
On December 05 2012 21:32 Odecey wrote: iamhope: I'm speechless. The suggestion that you can't expect to have your things left in peace while you go for a bathroom break is ridiculous. One should be able to expect a certain law abiding standard, especially in a setting where that equipment is actually needed to perform. The one who took it was an opportunistic cunt, and the blame lies entirely with him/her. Your third point frankly makes you look like a chauvinistic caricature from the fifties. Get with the times; a girl these days has her own right to decide what she wears and where, without having to consider being molested on the way to the grocery store due to her skirt being "too short" by some arbitrary standard determined by a would-be rapist. Point 4: Despite what you might think, relying on other people following the law is not naive, but entirely reasonable behaviour. If we all were acting as if the next guy we meet might shank us for our wallet society would collapse. Its not a suggestion, is the REALITY.. You can't left your things in peace while you go for a bathroom. The whole fucking world knows that. Yes, the guy who took is a cunt, he's 100% wrong. My third point was raised by other people, I think the comparison is totally nonsense, but anyway, I just showed my opinion that If you look for trouble, you will have. And that you can avoid or minimize it. point 4) We all act like that already on some countries. The society didn't collapse. You guys try to think in the IDEAL world. But that's not our world. You might aim for that, but your actions in the present needs to adapt to its reality. Check your logic: Leaving your money on the table.. you know people might steal. You leave it. You get robbed You say: "I'm pissed! It's not my fault" | ||
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AnachronisticAnarchy
United States2957 Posts
On December 05 2012 21:32 Odecey wrote: iamhope: I'm speechless. The suggestion that you can't expect to have your things left in peace while you go for a bathroom break is ridiculous. One should be able to expect a certain law abiding standard, especially in a setting where that equipment is actually needed to perform. The one who took it was an opportunistic cunt, and the blame lies entirely with him/her. Your third point frankly makes you look like a chauvinistic caricature from the fifties. Get with the times; a girl these days has her own right to decide what she wears and where, without having to consider being molested on the way to the grocery store due to her skirt being "too short" by some arbitrary standard determined by a would-be rapist. Point 4: Despite what you might think, relying on other people following the law is not naive, but entirely reasonable behaviour. If we all were acting as if the next guy we meet might shank us for our wallet society would collapse. Relying on other people following the law is unbelievably retarded and naive, and taking it to the extreme to prove your point proves absolutely nothing. Naniwa has some degree of fault in this situation; however, that doesn't in any way make the thief any less of a douche. Similarly, if a girl is walking around with a short skirt alone in a high risk area, then she has made a horrible, horrible mistake. Naturally, if she gets raped, that doesn't make the rapist any less of a terrible person or any less the rapist's fault; however, said woman possesses some degree of fault as well for the situation as she made a pretty major mistake. Basically, it's like walking around in a gang area while flipping a gold coin. If you get robbed, the robber isn't any less of a jerk for robbing you, and he isn't at any less fault for the crime; however, that doesn't change the fact that it was fucking retarded to practically show off your gold coin to all the poor, violent, drug-addicted criminals in the area. What I'm saying is, fault isn't a constant value that can only be distributed differently. There can be differing total amounts of fault, spread among different people. To go back to the rape example, the rapist is 100% at fault. All blame for the rape crime needs to go to him. However, the woman could also simultaneously possess, say, 10% of the fault. While it isn't her fault that there are people like that in the world who would do that, she (let's assume that she has some degree of street smarts and at least one guy friend who would help her if she didn't have a ride, most people are like that) put herself in a high risk situation that she could have avoided. | ||
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Pucca
Taiwan1280 Posts
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Bunku
Finland20 Posts
And some people are reaching when comparing this petty thievery to raping and stuff, please. You leave your stuff unattended and then they get stolen. Yeah, its the thief who is guilty, but at least I would blame myself for being that stupid to leave my stuff to be that _easily_ stolen. When you leave your stuff like that, it really _raises_ the chances that your stuff gets stolen. It would be different if it was some break n enter, but in this case it seems it wasn't. | ||
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phyre112
United States3090 Posts
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Snusmumriken
Sweden1717 Posts
Theres a big difference between saying naniwa shouldnt leave his gear lying around and saying hes to BLAME for it being stolen. The first is simply a statement of fact, ie the nature of the world is such that if a does x then y is likely to occur hence a shouldnt do x if a wants to avoid y. The second is a normative proposition and ventures into the territory of justifying whatever bullshit you can think up just because "the world is such". | ||
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VoirDire
Sweden1923 Posts
On December 06 2012 23:14 phyre112 wrote: I don't really understand why people are so picky about gaming equipment anyway... Sure, Naniwa is left handed, so he uses a lefthanded mouse - I suppose I get that much, bet the rest of it? Mechanical keyboards, the different switches, programmable mice, certain mousepads, etc. etc. - it's ridiculous. You don't see players in real sports blaming a missed shot on equipment, I can't figure out why gamers think it makes such a big deal. Bad analogy. In "real" sports, they usually don't have a problem with people stealing their equipment. If you forced a tennis player play with a different racket or a golfer play with another set of clubs you can be sure they would blame the equipment if they lost. | ||
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Bunku
Finland20 Posts
On December 06 2012 23:31 Snusmumriken wrote: people confuse what we have to do and what we should do. We have to carry shit around with us because of douchebags, but we shouldnt have to. The same people who argue naniwa is to blame for being mugged have the responsibility to show what the differendce is between this and arguing that its the womans fault for being raped since she was after all not walking with a man at her side at all times. Or indeed for being stoned to death for adultery. After all, she knew that was what would likely happen. Theres a big difference between saying naniwa shouldnt leave his gear lying around and saying hes to BLAME for it being stolen. The first is simply a statement of fact, ie the nature of the world is such that if a does x then y is likely to occur hence a shouldnt do x if a wants to avoid y. The second is a normative proposition and ventures into the territory of justifying whatever bullshit you can think up just because "the world is such". If you take a chance by leaving your gear to be easily stolen, you should blame yourself. If the thief comes and rips the gaming gear from your hands and runs away, then there was really nothing to do. If you badmouth a bigger dude and then get your ass handed to you, blame yourself. If someone just doesnt like your face and beats you up because of that, well that sucks and there is nothing to do. The world is such, doesnt mean anyone has to like it or accept it. Causality is always there, no denying it and one can affect the outcome by ones actions. | ||
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scruffeh
England196 Posts
On December 06 2012 09:05 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote: Relying on other people following the law is unbelievably retarded and naive, and taking it to the extreme to prove your point proves absolutely nothing. Naniwa has some degree of fault in this situation; however, that doesn't in any way make the thief any less of a douche. Similarly, if a girl is walking around with a short skirt alone in a high risk area, then she has made a horrible, horrible mistake. Naturally, if she gets raped, that doesn't make the rapist any less of a terrible person or any less the rapist's fault; however, said woman possesses some degree of fault as well for the situation as she made a pretty major mistake. Basically, it's like walking around in a gang area while flipping a gold coin. If you get robbed, the robber isn't any less of a jerk for robbing you, and he isn't at any less fault for the crime; however, that doesn't change the fact that it was fucking retarded to practically show off your gold coin to all the poor, violent, drug-addicted criminals in the area. What I'm saying is, fault isn't a constant value that can only be distributed differently. There can be differing total amounts of fault, spread among different people. To go back to the rape example, the rapist is 100% at fault. All blame for the rape crime needs to go to him. However, the woman could also simultaneously possess, say, 10% of the fault. While it isn't her fault that there are people like that in the world who would do that, she (let's assume that she has some degree of street smarts and at least one guy friend who would help her if she didn't have a ride, most people are like that) put herself in a high risk situation that she could have avoided. The rape/stealing comparison is not an intelligent one to make. There's been plenty of research/discussion into it, and it's just a myth, mostly propagated by idiots and the naive. It's just a reflection of how far we still have to come before we fully get away from the patriarchal roots of society. Have a look at the slutwalk movement, or do some cursory research into the area. | ||
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how2TL
1197 Posts
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Fyodor
Canada971 Posts
On December 05 2012 22:54 Nerchio wrote: I was sitting close to it and didn't see anyone stealing it but at some point I realised it disappeard :D Blame the Vodka. | ||
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Snusmumriken
Sweden1717 Posts
On December 06 2012 23:51 Bunku wrote: If you take a chance by leaving your gear to be easily stolen, you should blame yourself. If the thief comes and rips the gaming gear from your hands and runs away, then there was really nothing to do. If you badmouth a bigger dude and then get your ass handed to you, blame yourself. If someone just doesnt like your face and beats you up because of that, well that sucks and there is nothing to do. The world is such, doesnt mean anyone has to like it or accept it. Causality is always there, no denying it and one can affect the outcome by ones actions. Yeah dont quote me if you have no clue what Im talking about please. | ||
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
On December 05 2012 22:54 Nerchio wrote: I was sitting close to it and didn't see anyone stealing it but at some point I realised it disappeard :D Skillful thief, maybe able to blend in among everybody else. Somebody get their detective work going! | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On December 07 2012 00:10 Snusmumriken wrote: Yeah dont quote me if you have no clue what Im talking about please. Likewise to you buddy, nobody intelligent is saying that Nani should bear all of the blame, but part of it, which is reasonable. Edit: I remember attending an event with friends for something. I ask one friend to watch our stuff (4 people's worth of backpacks) for a few minutes so we can use the restroom. I come back to see him wandering around our stuff (kind of like Nerchio's being around it but not actually watching it) and I go off on him for not actually watching our shit. Fast forward 3 events later, he's the only person out of our group to lose stuff. When you attend live events in any capacity, keep track of your shit at all times or have someone reliable watch it for you. | ||
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b0rt_
Norway931 Posts
On December 06 2012 22:59 Bunku wrote: The naive dudes in this thread made me puke. Maybe Naniwa will learn something from this - not to trust them "safe" places, if there even were any. I'm sure Nani won't jump to such generic conclusions. What happens in Vegas... | ||
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DreamChaser
1649 Posts
On December 07 2012 00:05 how2TL wrote: What was Naniwa wearing? Maybe he should dress more conservatively. Damn his European style of clothes, that must be why they stole his equipment right? | ||
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Snusmumriken
Sweden1717 Posts
On December 07 2012 00:17 Judicator wrote: Likewise to you buddy, nobody intelligent is saying that Nani should bear all of the blame, but part of it, which is reasonable. Well I havent quoted anyone except he who didnt understand what I was saying so your comment is out of place. Second its not reasonable at all, and anyone who thinks so has the responsibility to show how this is any different from saying a woman out late at night being raped is not partly to blame. Logically different that is, just to make things perfectly clear. It seems to me people here are generally retarded and dont have the capacity to separate is from ought. Naniwa shouldnt have left his gear lying around, but only in the same sense that a woman who was raped shouldnt have been walking alone late at night. He shouldnt have because an unfortunate circumstance couldve been avoided, but the blame for this is entirely with the agent who actually caused it, namely the thief. By "partly blaming naniwa" youre effectively partly removing responsibility from the douchebags around the world who keep doing this simply because they can. The scary part is that they argue EXACTLY like you people do: "well he shouldnt have left it so its his fault really, I just did what someone else wouldve anyway durp di durp defencemechanisms ftw" A guy gets murdered in his home, but he was stupid enough not to have bought a gun (and lets assume murders often occur in this example) so then hes partly to blame? I think not. | ||
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