EPT[IPL5] Naniwa's Kit Stolen - Page 11
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Warlock40
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Deadeight
United Kingdom1629 Posts
On December 04 2012 01:07 Epoxide wrote: I'm pretty sure he uses the left DeathAdder. He definitely used to but I'd have thought Mionix would want him using their mouse. Then again I think they only make right-handed mice. | ||
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pekkasteele
Sweden80 Posts
Are you the same persons that say it is the raped girls fault because she had a short skirt? This whole discussion is stupid... | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4535 Posts
On December 03 2012 15:44 YyapSsap wrote: Im guessing you failed your NZ history lessons.. /facepalm 'stolen' /headdesk | ||
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AnachronisticAnarchy
United States2957 Posts
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iamhope
Afghanistan51 Posts
On December 04 2012 02:56 Crownlol wrote: Wow my brain hurts. Americans have no big issues at all, Brazilians are so smart. "Brazilians are so smart" Why did you include "brazilians" there? It's me speaking, not Brazil. Maybe you have a wrong image of the rest of the world... That's why you think USA has super issues. Compare to the rest of the world. Economics? Can't buy your iphone 5? Still better consumption access than 95% of world's population Terrorism? In my city only, 1 cop is killed every 12 hours Healthcare? Well, I can't argue on that... Natural Disasters? The natural disaster here is lack of money, slums and cardboard houses.. any heavy rain make thousand of poor people lose their homes or die. But i'm talking about people stepping on others, if you were "smarter" than "brazilians" you said, you would know that your problems aren't related to the "smartness" of people avoiding people's tricks to fuck you up 24/7. That's why WW developed country tourists get tricked/robbed in south globe so easily. Sorry about bad english, its not my main language. | ||
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iamhope
Afghanistan51 Posts
On December 04 2012 05:22 pekkasteele wrote: How can anyone say it is Naniwas own fault someone stole from him? Are you the same persons that say it is the raped girls fault because she had a short skirt? This whole discussion is stupid... 1st) Partially Naniwa's fault 2nd) It wasn't an armed hand robbery, it was stolen because he left it somewhere. 3rd) Girl with short skirt walking in dangerous area has some kind of fault too (of course I can't compare to a stolen gear like you did). But she could've minimized her chances (like naniwa could). 4th) It's not about the theory that students discuss on his millionaire university of "what's right or wrong". It's about the practical aspect, and how the world really works. | ||
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Kerotan
England2111 Posts
On December 05 2012 21:02 iamhope wrote: 1st) Partially Naniwa's fault 2nd) It wasn't an armed hand robbery, it was stolen because he left it somewhere. 3rd) Girl with short skirt walking in dangerous area has some kind of fault too (of course I can't compare to a stolen gear like you did). But she could've minimized her chances (like naniwa could). 4th) It's not about the theory that students discuss on his millionaire university of "what's right or wrong". It's about the practical aspect, and how the world really works. Sorry how did blaming women for getting raped get in to this thread? For reals? | ||
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Odecey
Norway27 Posts
Your third point frankly makes you look like a chauvinistic caricature from the fifties. Get with the times; a girl these days has her own right to decide what she wears and where, without having to consider being molested on the way to the grocery store due to her skirt being "too short" by some arbitrary standard determined by a would-be rapist. Point 4: Despite what you might think, relying on other people following the law is not naive, but entirely reasonable behaviour. If we all were acting as if the next guy we meet might shank us for our wallet society would collapse. | ||
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Shardz
United States349 Posts
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ineversmile
United States583 Posts
On December 04 2012 03:13 Warlock40 wrote: Reminds me of the Magic: The Gathering scene. People are constantly arguing over what "theft" is. Seems pretty clear cut to me but a lot of people seem to think that the moment someone walks away from their property, whether it be a trade binder worth hundreds of dollars or a few basic cards, it is no longer their property and thus fair game for anyone to take. I remember reading one guy's post, bragging not just that he had "acquired" a significant collection of cards from someone else, but that he had every right to, since the other guy "forgot them". Not only that, but he claimed that he was actually doing the guy a favour by teaching him an important lesson! Unbelievable. What about the time when a couple level 2s literally tackled a thief at a GP and held him until the police came? That guy got busted for grand theft because the backpack had a couple legacy decks in it. The lesson that everyone has to learn in the MTG tournament scene is this: nobody can tell who's stuff is whose, and cards are very easy to pick up and hide in a pocket/binder/backpack. So if you're careless and you leave your stuff on a table and then walk away, nobody will feel sorry for you. You're at a public event with several hundred people. You can't expect everyone to be honest, especially in a room full of card players. And then, even if the guy who picks up your deck is honest, how are you going to prove that it's your deck? Because you say so? Forget about it. That's why some TOs explain to everyone at the beginning of an event that it's up to you to watch your own stuff. There will always be people who are willing to commit crimes to get ahead, and we can't just expect people to behave a certain way and act morally. That doesn't mean we have to let our stuff get stolen, though--we all just have to watch our backs...and our stuff. That's life. | ||
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Msr
Korea (South)495 Posts
On December 04 2012 05:22 pekkasteele wrote: How can anyone say it is Naniwas own fault someone stole from him? Are you the same persons that say it is the raped girls fault because she had a short skirt? This whole discussion is stupid... whoever leaves their belongings somewhere in a public place is asking for them to get stolen, 100% his fault. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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redDuke
Australia207 Posts
On December 03 2012 00:18 Msr wrote: That sucks, but it's most likely his own fault for getting it stolen. um yeah sure dumbass... | ||
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msl
Germany477 Posts
On December 05 2012 21:02 iamhope wrote: 1st) Partially Naniwa's fault 2nd) It wasn't an armed hand robbery, it was stolen because he left it somewhere. 3rd) Girl with short skirt walking in dangerous area has some kind of fault too (of course I can't compare to a stolen gear like you did). But she could've minimized her chances (like naniwa could). 4th) It's not about the theory that students discuss on his millionaire university of "what's right or wrong". It's about the practical aspect, and how the world really works. I've known Hope, and you Sir, are not Hope! | ||
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Farone
Netherlands1219 Posts
On December 05 2012 21:44 Msr wrote: whoever leaves their belongings somewhere in a public place is asking for them to get stolen, 100% his fault. this is what is exactly the problem with todays society. You should be able to leave your stuff anywhere you want. Other people shouldn't take it, no matter what. People thinking that is a LEGIT reason to take someone's belongings is ignorant. | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On December 05 2012 21:56 Farone wrote: this is what is exactly the problem with todays society. You should be able to leave your stuff anywhere you want. Other people shouldn't take it, no matter what. People thinking that is a LEGIT reason to take someone's belongings is ignorant. That's just a gross over generalization, leaving your property, especially concealed items or items hidden in bags / boxes etc in public places and avenues is seen as both a security and safety hazard and actually inconveniences other people who don't know what the correct course of action to do with them is. No one should be able to leave your stuff anywhere you want, especially on private property, because what you are leaving behind might be undesirable to the person who has to use that space. You can leave / take anything if there is expressed permission and consideration on both sides. Anyone who's ever rented space or had shared rooms or living spaces with other people know exactly what a nightmare it is dealing with people who leave their stuff everywhere, it's some times even more inconveniencing and frustrating than having your stuff taken from you. | ||
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tskarzyn
United States516 Posts
On December 05 2012 21:02 iamhope wrote: 1st) Partially Naniwa's fault 2nd) It wasn't an armed hand robbery, it was stolen because he left it somewhere. 3rd) Girl with short skirt walking in dangerous area has some kind of fault too (of course I can't compare to a stolen gear like you did). But she could've minimized her chances (like naniwa could). 4th) It's not about the theory that students discuss on his millionaire university of "what's right or wrong". It's about the practical aspect, and how the world really works. off tangent but.... rapists target girls who appear to lack confidence and don't look like they'll put up a fight, and these girls are usually not dressed in "short skirts" or low cut tops. | ||
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TaShadan
Germany1981 Posts
On December 03 2012 00:18 Msr wrote: That sucks, but it's most likely his own fault for getting it stolen. I have to admit that i dont like Naniwa, but what is wrong with you? | ||
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Ficetool
Germany165 Posts
On December 05 2012 21:56 Farone wrote: this is what is exactly the problem with todays society. You should be able to leave your stuff anywhere you want. Other people shouldn't take it, no matter what. People thinking that is a LEGIT reason to take someone's belongings is ignorant. Should and would don't work with someone who doesn't care and steals stuff. Believing it to be so is stupid. Of course it's wrong to steal stuff, but as was mentioned several times: there are enough people who don't care about that fact. Thus it is up to you to prevent it from happening. If you give them the chance: it's your fault for giving them the opportunity. Giving them the opportunity still doesn't make the theft any illegal, but you are at fault as well since you acted negligent. edit: and the guy's example with the women was perfect actually. No matte what right a woman should have, fact is that you are not entirely free to do as you wish in our society. If a woman dressed like this walks into a area which is crime infested it's partly her fault that something bad happens. This stil ldoesn't excuse a raper or anyone in anyway, but she could have minimized chances. Another example is sports. If you are going to a match and your team wins. Afterwards you walk to your car happily sining and dressed in your team's colors while there is a group of rival finas next to you you are at fault as well. You could have minimized the chances of getting beaten up, but you chose not to and took the risk...and it back fired so to summarize: stealing is still a crime and is forbidden, but if you act negligent you are at fault for it happening as humas are bad and you should know it | ||
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