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DPK
Canada487 Posts
On November 24 2012 06:16 SlowBullets wrote: rofl no. People underestimate the skill level in MOBAs...it is definitely harder than SC2, lol. LOL, sorry but this is the most nonsense comment ever. Sc2 players who are switching to LoL is exactly because LoL is easier to play... It's a fact. | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On November 24 2012 06:28 Ace.Xile wrote: which is almost the exact same as sc2, over half the games nothing happens in the first 15 minutes. In LoL nothing happens in the firsr 30 mins or so Particularly when CLG.eu plays What a snorefest | ||
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mememolly
4765 Posts
On November 24 2012 07:58 DPK wrote: LOL, sorry but this is the most nonsense comment ever. Sc2 players who are switching to LoL is exactly because LoL is easier to play... It's a fact. you haven't played LoL or sc2 at a high level have you? | ||
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Antyee
Hungary1011 Posts
On November 24 2012 07:58 mordk wrote: In LoL nothing happens in the firsr 30 mins or so Particularly when CLG.eu plays What a snorefest Yet, bw TvT was one of the most interesting matchup. Depends on your understanding of the game. | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On November 24 2012 08:03 Antyee wrote: Yet, bw TvT was one of the most interesting matchup. Depends on your understanding of the game. In BW TvT tons of things happened. By my experience watching LoL the reason that happens in LoL is bascially only that the strategies are too young. Either teams are way too vulnerable to ganks, or they turtle like crazy. Laning phase isn't really a very developed thing in LoL, at least yet. IMO the biggest factor in that is the lack of denying. | ||
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magnaflow
Canada1521 Posts
On November 24 2012 07:58 DPK wrote: LOL, sorry but this is the most nonsense comment ever. Sc2 players who are switching to LoL is exactly because LoL is easier to play... It's a fact. I would assume it is because LoL is more fun to play. Not because it is easier. SC2 is stressful, not because it is mechanically demanding, but because you can lose to such random bullshit. SC2 is not fun to play | ||
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Antyee
Hungary1011 Posts
On November 24 2012 08:05 mordk wrote: In BW TvT tons of things happened. By my experience watching LoL the reason that happens in LoL is bascially only that the strategies are too young. Either teams are way too vulnerable to ganks, or they turtle like crazy. Laning phase isn't really a very developed thing in LoL, at least yet. IMO the biggest factor in that is the lack of denying. Give korean teams a try. They play earlygame way better. OGN is still going on. | ||
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EienShinwa
United States655 Posts
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TahoeRacer
United States18 Posts
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Patate
Canada441 Posts
On November 24 2012 06:49 Al Bundy wrote: Ok guys, we get it. Starcraft is hardcore and stressful, LoL is casual and fun. Can we move on? Yet BW was even more hardcore but less stressful. Why? because you could do mistakes in BW and still come back. In SC2 it was become so easy to move an army with almost maximum efficiency that if a player did a mistake, you can punish him by winning the game (while in BW you would punish him by taking an expo or by destroying one of his). I think that fundamental difference is what makes SC2 almost unwatchable for so many koreans while BW is like an action game of chess, where there is an overal strategy AND great controls that come with it. I seriously get pissed when people think everything is fine in SC2 (other than balance). Seriously, fuck balance, who cares when the game is in such an early phase? Why don't people try to tell Blizzard to fix their more-and-more unpopular game. Why don't they fix it now while there are still people (like me) who actually gives a shit so are posting on a SC2 forum, instead of just moving on to a game that is watchable and not as frustrating to play? Hard =/= frustrating. BW was hard, but not frustrating (except when units were going all over the map for no reasons). Sc2 is not hard (yet harder in a mechanic point of view than LoL), but it is very frustrating (no unranked games, which is coming however. No smurfing, almost no combacks unless the opponents screws up). Seriously, about the no-smurfing.. what the fuck? in the era of free to play, Blizzard forces us to buy another liscense to have another account? are you kidding me? You don't have the Halo of the 2005-or-so era.. people don't consider your games the best of the best anymore.. jesus christ. | ||
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Al Bundy
7257 Posts
On November 24 2012 08:15 Patate wrote: Yet BW was even more hardcore but less stressful. Why? because you could do mistakes in BW and still come back. In SC2 it was become so easy to move an army with almost maximum efficiency that if a player did a mistake, you can punish him by winning the game (while in BW you would punish him by taking an expo or by destroying one of his). I think that fundamental difference is what makes SC2 almost unwatchable for so many koreans while BW is like an action game of chess, where there is an overal strategy AND great controls that come with it. I seriously get pissed when people think everything is fine in SC2 (other than balance). Seriously, fuck balance, who cares when the game is in such an early phase? Why don't people try to tell Blizzard to fix their more-and-more unpopular game. Why don't they fix it now while there are still people (like me) who actually gives a shit so are posting on a SC2 forum, instead of just moving on to a game that is watchable and not as frustrating to play? Hard =/= frustrating. BW was hard, but not frustrating (except when units were going all over the map for no reasons). Sc2 is not hard (yet harder in a mechanic point of view than LoL), but it is very frustrating (no unranked games, which is coming however. No smurfing, almost no combacks unless the opponents screws up). Seriously, about the no-smurfing.. what the fuck? in the era of free to play, Blizzard forces us to buy another liscense to have another account? are you kidding me? You don't have the Halo of the 2005-or-so era.. people don't consider your games the best of the best anymore.. jesus christ. I can't argue with that, what you said makes sense. It's true that Sc2 could be more competitive than it is now, and it definitely could be more fun. | ||
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ES.Genie
Germany1370 Posts
On November 24 2012 08:06 magnaflow wrote: I would assume it is because LoL is more fun to play. Not because it is easier. SC2 is stressful, not because it is mechanically demanding, but because you can lose to such random bullshit. SC2 is not fun to play Most popular RTS: Not fun to play. I guess SC2 fans are masochists. | ||
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BlackGosu
Canada1046 Posts
that being said, mobas are simply more fun than sc2. i can see the pros losing interest in sc2 as the majority have. the game is just too stale right now. every game is turtle to 200/200 for a deathball battle | ||
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MVega
763 Posts
On November 24 2012 08:26 BlackGosu wrote: they require different skill sets. sc2 requires more dexterity and reaction, while dota and lol require more team coordination and strategy that being said, mobas are simply more fun than sc2. i can see the pros losing interest in sc2 as the majority have. the game is just too stale right now. every game is turtle to 200/200 for a deathball battle The majority? Source? "More fun" is an opinion thing as well. More accessible, yes. More fun? Opinion. I don't find mobas to be very fun. If I'm playing with some people I actually know they're fun, but for me StarCraft/WarCraft have always been fun with friends or with randoms. Ladder or custom games. Moba and RTS are two different genres with two different groups of fans with a pretty decent amount of overlap between the two. Doesn't matter that one spawned the other. | ||
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dynwar7
1983 Posts
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32743 Posts
On November 24 2012 08:59 dynwar7 wrote: Here we go again...pessimistic people saying SC2 is dead... Apparently one player moving to LoL means the whole SC2 community is dead. It's sad seeing inori leave, but really, he never was the best player, its not like the SC2 community lost a cornerstone of the scene. Hope he finds a better future in LoL, but there is a reason why all the SC2 pros who moved to LoL have yet to find success, because the LoL scene is probably just as competitive and difficult to break in as the SC2 scene. | ||
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SPHERE-Xecutor
2 Posts
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BlackGosu
Canada1046 Posts
On November 24 2012 08:36 MVega wrote: The majority? Source? "More fun" is an opinion thing as well. More accessible, yes. More fun? Opinion. I don't find mobas to be very fun. If I'm playing with some people I actually know they're fun, but for me StarCraft/WarCraft have always been fun with friends or with randoms. Ladder or custom games. Moba and RTS are two different genres with two different groups of fans with a pretty decent amount of overlap between the two. Doesn't matter that one spawned the other. just look at the viewer numbers go down. the player base has gone way down the past year. divisions in ladder dont even amount to 100. fun is indeed subjective. however, the playerbase in either moba simply dwarf sc2's. my friends and i dont even follow the scene much anymore. often, we just check the spoilers for results, or if its the grandfinal for GSL or a big tournament, then we may tune in. although every game was cheese back then, the gsl in the very beginning was far more entertaining than it is now | ||
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dutchfriese
2554 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On November 24 2012 09:17 BlackGosu wrote: just look at the viewer numbers go down. the player base has gone way down the past year. divisions in ladder dont even amount to 100. fun is indeed subjective. however, the playerbase in either moba simply dwarf sc2's. my friends and i dont even follow the scene much anymore. often, we just check the spoilers for results, or if its the grandfinal for GSL or a big tournament, then we may tune in. although every game was cheese back then, the gsl in the very beginning was far more entertaining than it is now Free to play also has a significant factor in this. Also again moba's are a lot more casual friendly, both of those are why they are more popular. But it doesn't matter it's not killing sc2 at all and I imagine hots will bring back more viewers then now and then it will die down then the protoss expansion will do the same thing and then it'll die down and even out again. | ||
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