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SarcasmMonster
Profile Joined October 2011
3136 Posts
November 20 2012 21:00 GMT
#461
Should have asked him about Colossi during the "boring units" question.
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MatiaasS !
Profile Joined October 2011
Chile167 Posts
November 20 2012 21:02 GMT
#462
Very interesting changes ahead.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 20 2012 21:12 GMT
#463
On November 21 2012 06:00 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Should have asked him about Colossi during the "boring units" question.

For the love of god, no. I want all grown up, professional questions about stuff that matters.
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eMGmoG
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland244 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-20 21:15:24
November 20 2012 21:14 GMT
#464
"Blizzard is aware of the restrictions on map design caused by the Stephano Roach style, but doesn’t think it can/will be fixed in WoL, will work on for HotS" geeez they dont seem to understand why map restrictions are how they are nowadays. its not about a specific playstyle XY, its about the race design around FF/tight choke/easy accessible 3rd because gateway units suck because of warpin....
Kritos222
Profile Joined July 2012
Sweden21 Posts
November 20 2012 21:15 GMT
#465
Every time Dustin says ....Right.... he lies.
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Maismz
Profile Joined December 2011
France15 Posts
November 20 2012 21:16 GMT
#466
On November 21 2012 05:57 chatuka wrote:
give more strength to weaker units.. give terran players more options to fight zerg. Protoss need the void ray and Fenix relevant again.

it's pretty common sense that zerg has a lot of usable pieces and other races don't have the variety of units that zerg has.


Zerg has a variety of unit ? Roach hydra and muta and almost useless against a decent terran, and against toss, roach are usefull the first 10min of the game, lingz got depop almost instant aganist colossi or ht, hydra, well you know how hydra are usefull and muta are not viable, if you nerf infest what's left for ZvP ?
SarcasmMonster
Profile Joined October 2011
3136 Posts
November 20 2012 21:23 GMT
#467
On November 21 2012 06:12 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 06:00 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Should have asked him about Colossi during the "boring units" question.

For the love of god, no. I want all grown up, professional questions about stuff that matters.


I mean, monk brought up the Infestor as his example.
Since it's getting nerfed anyways, it's time to switch our QQ stream to the Colossus. Just because the Infestor is getting nerfed, doesn't mean I'm finished QQing
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Marou
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1371 Posts
November 20 2012 21:23 GMT
#468
next time i see a 20min+ interview with DB i will put it on side and keep it for when i want to do some birge drinking.
take a shot everytime DB says "Riiiiiiiiight".
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Psychobabas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
2531 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-20 21:31:08
November 20 2012 21:30 GMT
#469
Fungal being a projectile is fucking awesome. Now they can actually miss them like EMPs.. >_<

I wonder if it will be countered by PDD
paradiset16
Profile Joined August 2012
United States9 Posts
November 20 2012 21:31 GMT
#470
On November 21 2012 05:33 kyllinghest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 05:17 paradiset16 wrote:
All I heard in this interview is that Zerg op Zerg op Zerg op and that's bull crap the zerg isn't op I feel its under powered because of what other races can do and if other races weren't so dumb. And clump units together and make them fungal able of the mother ship neural situation not send their mother ship to the front of their army the mother ship has more range then neural and goes automatically and neural has a delay so all this crap about changing the infestor is bull crap for the first time scence the beta we have a unit that sustains equality between the game and Zerg players shouldn't be punished for finding out this unit that is what we need and have to use to win cause if you look at most games we do not use infestors we auto lose against death ball bio tank and the most bull shit composition mass air for Protoss with mother ship and storms is stead of looking at the Zerg and blaming the Zerg you should be look at Zerg players and loving them because unlike the other races the found a unit that is the best in their race and use it so instead of changeling them other races shouldn't be dumb asses and have their unit be fungalable because you should know Zerg is going infestors and if they aren't usually it's baneling lung muta so please stop just saying Zerg op Zerg op this needs to be changed no it doesn't need to be changed you need to change and play better

If all the other races are so dumb, maybe you could enlighten us about how we can fight the infestor better? I think you would be surprised if you tried playing terran and protoss for a game or 20 each.

On a different note I think some puctuation would do your text good!
. .
Ok the Amin thing that differs between races that makes other races dumb is that they don't have the mental stability to just figure out what to do when they have. The ability that the races have to Harrass and expand and just build an army is substantial to what Zerg can only do they can ONLY rather all in or expand and go to the late game they can't harass they can't lost a BASE!!!!! And still win what Terran can do : go marine murader drops with expos and building a good army of tanks and bio with vicking if you see Burt lords , and o shit doesn't Terran have a spell caster that can do emp and take away all energy from and spell caster o shit why don't they use this and then the bio and tanks and Vikings can't get fungled ooh look at that !!!!!!! And or right now Thor vicking is one o the best compositions you can do Protos: first thing wasn't the bwc finals 2 Protoss wow look at that and they don't need and thing the have the best units and they use them but don't use them to the fullest blink stalkers are the most bull shit unit every I never knew they were able to turn into immortals when they get blink and the do a shit ton of damage also if proposes are complaining about getting neural end and then vortex is gone don't be a dumb ass and send the mother ship to the front of your army they had more range than neural and it's a automatic spell no delay like neural And there you go and that's what you can do !!!!!!!!! : also Protoss can just have 8-12 hightemplar and mass storm any army will just melt and o look high Templar also has a spell that can actually kill infestors and and are better range than infestors so I don't know why you all complain and bitch I'm sick of hearing this bitching
awwwww~~~zerg so underpowered
paradiset16
Profile Joined August 2012
United States9 Posts
November 20 2012 21:34 GMT
#471
On November 21 2012 05:41 rumodbrotheraturface wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 05:17 paradiset16 wrote:
All I heard in this interview is that Zerg op Zerg op Zerg op and that's bull crap the zerg isn't op I feel its under powered because of what other races can do and if other races weren't so dumb. And clump units together and make them fungal able of the mother ship neural situation not send their mother ship to the front of their army the mother ship has more range then neural and goes automatically and neural has a delay so all this crap about changing the infestor is bull crap for the first time scence the beta we have a unit that sustains equality between the game and Zerg players shouldn't be punished for finding out this unit that is what we need and have to use to win cause if you look at most games we do not use infestors we auto lose against death ball bio tank and the most bull shit composition mass air for Protoss with mother ship and storms is stead of looking at the Zerg and blaming the Zerg you should be look at Zerg players and loving them because unlike the other races the found a unit that is the best in their race and use it so instead of changeling them other races shouldn't be dumb asses and have their unit be fungalable because you should know Zerg is going infestors and if they aren't usually it's baneling lung muta so please stop just saying Zerg op Zerg op this needs to be changed no it doesn't need to be changed you need to change and play better



So when all your infestors get emped because there in a big clump when new patch hits can we say lol your bad split infestors noob? wtf zerg INTIRE RACE OF PLAYERS SUCK OMG instead of saying how great you and other zergs are open your mind to the REAL game if you cant see whats going on then you should be forced to play TVZ until your eyes bleed

There's no problem with that cause terrains are just not smart enough to use the unit that counters the main unit they are losing to they just cry overpowered over powered instead of doing what zeros do and just adapt to whatever comes there way
awwwww~~~zerg so underpowered
SNSDBWooger
Profile Joined March 2012
France16 Posts
November 20 2012 21:36 GMT
#472
Cultural differences..
Is Monk protoss ? Nothing about terran.
Nobody plays terran anymore so let's talk about pvz only.
YokoKano
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States612 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-20 21:42:11
November 20 2012 21:40 GMT
#473
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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
November 20 2012 21:44 GMT
#474
On November 21 2012 06:36 SNSDBWooger wrote:
Cultural differences..
Is Monk protoss ? Nothing about terran.
Nobody plays terran anymore so let's talk about pvz only.

They did and in Korea terrans aren't struggling and NA ther are. They said the difference between foreign and Korean terrans is big so it's hard to balance because you make terrans easier for foreigners then Korean terrans will dominate like before. He made a really good point that foreign terrans will hate but it was very true
When I think of something else, something will go here
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
November 20 2012 22:02 GMT
#475
"Will redesign Mothership so it won’t be a serious unit used in professional esports play"

Sorry if I missed this already, what the heck is the meaning of this?

Give me my arbiter back, or give the oracle some useful abiilities, god damn.
The heart's eternal vow
danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
November 20 2012 22:04 GMT
#476
I really don't know how anyone could disagree or be upset with his stance. I wouldn't make all his same decisions but... that's why he's him and I'm me. I think he's a smart guy and does a pretty darn good job.
"Science has so well established that the preborn baby in the womb is a living human being that most pro-choice activists have conceded the point. ..since the abortion proponents have lost the science argument, they are now advocating an existential one."
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
November 20 2012 22:06 GMT
#477
On November 20 2012 18:07 IdrA wrote:
Feels Neuraling Motherships is a problem
Neural is on the chopping block for Swarm

Will redesign Mothership so it won’t be a serious unit used in professional esports play


I feel like this is actually a good point, which I'm assuming most people didn't notice/it got drowned out in all the balance complaints. If they feel neural on mothership is a problem, and are willing to get rid of neural because of it, yet are changing the mothership to not be a competitive unit, why the fuck would they even think of getting rid of neural?
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Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
November 20 2012 22:16 GMT
#478
On November 21 2012 06:44 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 06:36 SNSDBWooger wrote:
Cultural differences..
Is Monk protoss ? Nothing about terran.
Nobody plays terran anymore so let's talk about pvz only.

They did and in Korea terrans aren't struggling and NA ther are. They said the difference between foreign and Korean terrans is big so it's hard to balance because you make terrans easier for foreigners then Korean terrans will dominate like before. He made a really good point that foreign terrans will hate but it was very true


I guess you missed all the interviews with korean terrans saying how they cant win vs zerg anymore. Do you actually think that foreigner zerg and protoss are just so much more skilled than foreigner terran?
rd
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2586 Posts
November 20 2012 22:26 GMT
#479
On November 21 2012 06:16 Maismz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 05:57 chatuka wrote:
give more strength to weaker units.. give terran players more options to fight zerg. Protoss need the void ray and Fenix relevant again.

it's pretty common sense that zerg has a lot of usable pieces and other races don't have the variety of units that zerg has.


Zerg has a variety of unit ? Roach hydra and muta and almost useless against a decent terran, and against toss, roach are usefull the first 10min of the game, lingz got depop almost instant aganist colossi or ht, hydra, well you know how hydra are usefull and muta are not viable, if you nerf infest what's left for ZvP ?


Are you actually going to insinuate that a nerf to the infestor would render it entirely unuseable -- let alone that zerg has no effective units against Protoss? It's amazing how your strawman Protoss seemingly have all the answers to every unit 100% of the time.
Jazzman88
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada2228 Posts
November 20 2012 22:30 GMT
#480
I haven't read every single post, but I would like to chime in that I love this article and interview. The changes and philosophy behind them all exhibit serious thought and care for the game. I can't wait to play the PTR maps for these changes to see what happens.

As always, a great game continuously being made better by a company that cares. Awesome.
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