• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 11:03
CEST 17:03
KST 00:03
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview14Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy6Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic7
Community News
FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event11Esports World Cup 2025 - Final Player Roster12Weekly Cups (June 16-22): Clem strikes back1Weekly Cups (June 9-15): herO doubles on GSL week4Firefly suspended by EWC, replaced by Lancer12
StarCraft 2
General
The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation Esports World Cup 2025 - Final Player Roster HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview HSC 27 players & groups Jumy Talks: Dedication to SC2 in 2025, & more...
Tourneys
FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event HomeStory Cup 27 (June 27-29) $200 Biweekly - StarCraft Evolution League #1 SOOPer7s Showmatches 2025 RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] Darkgrid Layout
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 479 Worn Out Welcome Mutation # 478 Instant Karma Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House
Brood War
General
Soma Explains: JaeDong's Defense vs Bisu BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ NaDa's Body BW General Discussion ASL20 Preliminary Maps
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL19] Grand Finals [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - WB Finals & LBR3 [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - LB Round 4 & 5
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread What do you want from future RTS games? Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Social coupon sites
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Korean Music Discussion
Sports
NBA General Discussion 2024 - 2025 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NHL Playoffs 2024 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Game Sound vs. Music: The Im…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 983 users

Dustin Browder WCS TL Interview

Forum Index > SC2 General
605 CommentsPost a Reply
1 2 3 4 5 29 30 31 Next All

Dustin Browder WCS TL Interview

Text byTL.net ESPORTS
November 20th, 2012 06:41 GMT

Interview with Dustin Browder

by Antoine and monk.

We sat down with Dustin Browder during the Battle.net World Championships for a lengthy chat regarding the state of StarCraft 2 and what Heart of the Swarm will be bringing in the future.





The following is a basic summary of the major points Dustin addressed in our interview. That being said, we highly recommend you watch the full interview, as he goes very well in-depth on a lot of issues the community is concerned about right now.

Dustin Browder Interview Summary
  • Believes Immortal/Sentry All-in can be solved by Zerg players without Blizzard intervention
  • Blizzard is aware of the restrictions on map design caused by the Stephano Roach style, but doesn’t think it can/will be fixed in WoL, will work on for HotS
  • Will redesign Mothership so it won’t be a serious unit used in professional esports play
  • Testing internally: Very likely balance map in next two weeks
    • (WoL)Psionic units immune to Fungal Growth-Hopes EMP/Templar more viable
      Note: Psionic units include: Ghost, Queen, Infestor, Sentry, Templar, Dark Templar, Archon, Warp Prism, Mothership
    • (HotS only)Add projectile animation on Fungal Growth-This delay will allow units to dodge

  • About uprooting spines/spores to base trade in PvZ: The core problem is that races don’t have options vs Infestor/Broodlord, so Blizzard will fix the core problem instead
  • Regarding the Carrier: Considered Change: Interceptors Immune to Fungal
  • Thinks Corruptors are a bigger problem vs Carriers rather than Infestors
  • Blizzard wants to be cautious with balancing PvZ
  • Seeing more Infestor/broodlord mirrors lately, will play close attention to this
  • Feels Neuraling Motherships is a problem
  • Neural is on the chopping block for Swarm
  • Doesn’t feel changing Fungal to a slow will change much to the game
  • Believes there’s cultural differences between countries that makes Korean Terrans and foreigner Terrans different
  • On lack of Terrans at BWC: Some Korean Terrans dropped out for various reasons and “It is what it is”
  • Blizzard doesn't blindly look at win-rates and actually watches the games
  • When watching games, Blizzard always asks, ‘could this player could have played the game better?’
  • Relies on community to call out specific games and issues with the game
  • Can redesign 250mm strike cannon to give Thors a different purpose
  • Test map: Seeker missile won’t require an upgrade
    • Dustin doesn't believe this will change much

  • Possible buffs to Medivacs to account for more new options to defend drops
  • Feels like HotS units, especially Protoss and Zerg right now, are “balanceable”, Terrans might need bigger changes to create dynamic play
  • Will work on Mech TvP later on in HotS Beta
  • To TeamLiquid: Please keep the feedback coming and please play beta!

We ran out of time, but after the interview, he told us there were changes planned for Void Ray, Phoenix, and Mutalisk. It’s unclear if these will be for WoL or HotS, but most likely will be HotS only.


+ Show Spoiler [Summary of the Possible Proposed Changes] +

[image loading]WoL

Terran

Raven
  • Comes with Seeker Missile Researched
Zerg

Infestor
  • Unspecified change to Infested Terrans
  • Psionic Units Immune to Fungal
Protoss

Carrier
  • Interceptors immune to Fungal Growth


[image loading]
HotS (All WoL changes will be included in HotS)

Terran
  • General unspecified mech buffs, especially in TvP

Hellbat
  • Buffed in an unspecified way

Thor
  • 250mm Strike Cannon redesigned so that Thor will gain an additional purpose

Medivac
  • Ability to drop buffed in some way


Zerg

Mutalisk
  • Changed in an unspecified way

Infestor
  • A projectile will be added to Fungal Growth
  • Neural Parasite Removed

Protoss

Phoenix
  • Changed in an unspecified way

Void Ray
  • Changed in an unspecified way

Mothership
  • Redesigned so it won’t be used in professional play


Videos: Antoine and monk.
Graphics: Blizzard and HawaiianPig.
Facebook Twitter Reddit
TL+ Member
monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
November 20 2012 06:46 GMT
#2
Hope you guys also focus on his answers about his approach to the game, and not just the balance changes.
Moderator
SchfiftyFive
Profile Joined September 2010
United States131 Posts
November 20 2012 06:49 GMT
#3
Starting to watch, really excited only thing im not excited for and im actually against is that destructible rocks at 3rd, even as a P player and not even a Z player i dont really like it.
My IQ? // "Unprotected sex is like fast expanding in close positions. Its risky, but feels great when it works out" Cim9
thejamster
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada71 Posts
November 20 2012 06:53 GMT
#4
hmmm does this mean that you will also no longer be able to reveal dts with fungal? I'm starting to be more excited for HOTS hope it turns out well.
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
November 20 2012 06:53 GMT
#5
So they introduced the mothership core which has many uses, but the mothership itself won't be a useful unit in competitive play? Interesting.....
Gaius Baltar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States449 Posts
November 20 2012 06:54 GMT
#6
Thanks for great interview and summary. Very excited that so many units are being revisisted. Will check out the video tonight when my VPN starts cooperating.
StimiLant
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States534 Posts
November 20 2012 06:55 GMT
#7
<3 TL/Dustin Browder
Deckkie
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1595 Posts
November 20 2012 06:56 GMT
#8
Happy that Dustin Browder recognizes that the Sentry highly influenceses the map.
Always look on the bright side of life
lordofsoup
Profile Joined January 2012
United States159 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-20 07:01:40
November 20 2012 06:59 GMT
#9
Seems like he is finally taking an interest in the pro scene. I dont see how you can change the mother ship as a unit so that it wont be used in professional play, and still have it do anything. Might as well take it out. Psionic units immune to fungal sounds really interesting. I am somewhat confused about his opinion on the weakness of Carriers to corruptors. It seems to me that if you have enough fungals currently, you can just spam them and bring down the enormous swarm of interceptors.

His approach to balance is interesting, but it seems to me that the way to stop the immortal sentry all in is either to get lucky, spend so many units on breaking the attack that you are behind, spend just enough so that you are even because of your third base. Besides that all you can do is some gimmicky 2-base play, which for zerg is somewhat questionable as you have the same number of bases as the protoss.
NOHUNTERS
MiCa
Profile Joined October 2011
United States147 Posts
November 20 2012 06:59 GMT
#10
Ok inc nerf to the bunker...
If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull sheet. - W. C. Fields
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11349 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-20 07:03:59
November 20 2012 07:01 GMT
#11
I wish if they are so adamant to make the mothership as a goofy unit, then give us the Arbiter back. Or some equivalent.

Like, why is it that the Protoss gets stuck with the 'non-serious' unit?

10 mins in. Very nice interview so far
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mars Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
herMan
Profile Joined November 2010
Japan2053 Posts
November 20 2012 07:01 GMT
#12
Thanks monk for all the work you did in China!

Good to see that blizzard is clearing up its image about balancing stuff.
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
November 20 2012 07:02 GMT
#13
On November 20 2012 16:01 Falling wrote:
I wish if they are so adamant to make the mothership as a goofy unit, then give us the Arbiter back. Or some equivalent.


Yeah I agree. The mothership is an interesting unit with recall and cloak... and if vortex is reworked so it isn't so ridiculous then it will still be a lot of fun.
arcane1129
Profile Joined January 2011
United States270 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-20 09:58:15
November 20 2012 07:05 GMT
#14
Infestors wouldn't be able to fungal archons, sentries, warp prisms, and DTs? I'm fine with say ghosts and high templars being immune but those 4 in particular would suck for zerg players...
Snake.69
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada140 Posts
November 20 2012 07:05 GMT
#15
How in hell can we stop immortal sentry all in if sentries are immune to fungal? ....
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
November 20 2012 07:07 GMT
#16
On November 20 2012 16:01 Falling wrote:
I wish if they are so adamant to make the mothership as a goofy unit, then give us the Arbiter back. Or some equivalent.

Like, why is it that the Protoss gets stuck with the 'non-serious' unit?

10 mins in. Very nice interview so far


Heh well hydras have been that way in sc2 for a majority of it .

Very informative interview :D
When I think of something else, something will go here
blug
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia623 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-20 07:10:40
November 20 2012 07:07 GMT
#17
I really get the impression from Dustin Browder that he's not passionate about the game, he's just been hired to do his job and he does a bit of research to understand a bit about the meta game.

I think Dustin is good in interviews, but I think they need to hire a few open minded professional sc2 players who can at least assist with balance, because I think Dustin might not have a complete understanding of the game.

I think Dustin has been trying harder lately though. He used to be completely ignorant... now he sounds like he's been watching a bit more of the E-Sport scene.
Derp
Xenocryst
Profile Joined December 2010
United States521 Posts
November 20 2012 07:09 GMT
#18
Fungal changes are absolutely horrifying....
FlukyS
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Ireland485 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-20 07:12:02
November 20 2012 07:10 GMT
#19
Every time I hear him talk I just get really afraid that he is going to nerf things and completely destroy the balance. Like for instance that change to fungal to make psyonic units immune, it completely removes infestors as a counter to immortal sentry. And fungal as a projectile just makes me see into a future of just muta in ZvZ becauase what are you going to make hydra? Nope they still suck unless you have 20 of them infestors? Well unless they are asleep they won't lose many muta. So it would change ZvZ completely and make it imbalanced (as in really boring and awkward like early game ling bling battles) mid game from a place that was ok.

And removing neural? They nerfed it out of excistance and then they remove it. I remember talking about thor hellbat in heart of the swarm being stupid and everyone said oh you can neural the thors and that is the only option for winning in that scenario because the entire army has almost 10k hp potentially.

I just feel like Zerg will be a mess if they made every change that he talked about in this video.
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
November 20 2012 07:10 GMT
#20
I really don't know how he doesn't think that changing a fungal to slow wouldn't do much. If he really thinks that, then change it! People will be happy how you can micro against it, and apparently it won't really change the balance so... no reason not to! :D
1 2 3 4 5 29 30 31 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
HomeStory Cup
11:00
XXVII: Day 1
TaKeTV 2612
ComeBackTV 918
CranKy Ducklings239
3DClanTV 84
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Hui .228
ProTech69
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 32268
Rain 5485
Sea 2706
Horang2 2134
EffOrt 887
ZerO 356
Snow 241
Zeus 100
Mind 100
Rush 99
[ Show more ]
hero 97
Sea.KH 52
[sc1f]eonzerg 48
PianO 46
Barracks 38
Movie 35
soO 34
Aegong 21
Sacsri 18
IntoTheRainbow 17
SilentControl 14
HiyA 12
Terrorterran 11
ajuk12(nOOB) 10
JulyZerg 5
ivOry 4
Dota 2
Gorgc6602
qojqva1732
syndereN151
Counter-Strike
markeloff161
PGG 29
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King123
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor197
Other Games
singsing1836
hiko1116
crisheroes377
DeMusliM360
KnowMe241
ArmadaUGS93
QueenE23
ZerO(Twitch)21
Trikslyr19
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream27664
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 556
Other Games
Algost 14
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV368
League of Legends
• Nemesis9476
• Jankos2777
• TFBlade813
Upcoming Events
HomeStory Cup
19h 57m
CSO Cup
1d
BSL: ProLeague
1d 2h
SOOP
1d 17h
SHIN vs ByuN
HomeStory Cup
1d 20h
BSL: ProLeague
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV European League
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
5 days
WardiTV European League
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Rose Open S1
2025 GSL S2
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
Acropolis #3
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Championship of Russia 2025
RSL Revival: Season 1
HSC XXVII
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025

Upcoming

CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
SEL Season 2 Championship
FEL Cracov 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.