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gosublade
Profile Joined May 2011
632 Posts
November 20 2012 12:51 GMT
#261
Dustin, ur cool bro but designing mothership for non competitive play?

Not even death can save you from me.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10132 Posts
November 20 2012 12:51 GMT
#262
On November 20 2012 21:51 gosublade wrote:
Dustin, ur cool bro but designing mothership for non competitive play?



I like it that way.
achan1058
Profile Joined February 2012
1091 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-20 12:55:12
November 20 2012 12:52 GMT
#263
Seriously, why is it that people are thinking that they don't listen? They might well have played with the "community proposed changes" in internal builds, realized that they are crap, and moved on?
Deckkie
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1595 Posts
November 20 2012 12:53 GMT
#264
On November 20 2012 21:07 Inex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2012 20:55 FakeDeath wrote:
They recognized late-game PvZ is a problem but not the Immortal/Sentry all-in and believed that it can be solved by zergs?
The Immortal Sentry is equivalent of the 1/1/1 now seeing the insane win-rate protoss with that build.

Immortal Sentry has been prevalent for a while, it would have been solved by the top Korean pros if that was the case.
But it hasn't been solved at all and it is still ridiculously strong.

1/1/1 has been solved(coupled with Immortal 1 range buff).
Protoss finally know how to deal with it 1/1/1 is literally obsolete.


DB clearly states that if zergs play a bit more safe they will punish that build. Let's not kid ourselves, zergs have learned to play extremely greedy vs P, starting with a quick 3rd and then power to 50-60 drones. You can't saturate 3 bases and then max out on roaches around 12', and not expect to get punished for it.

Great interview. Currently playing the HOTS beta and I think they are doing a great job. The only issue I have (and DB says it's going to be fixed) is with the terran race in HOTS, specifically how boring it looks. Not to mention the ridiculously powerful yet dirt cheap hellbats. Everything else looks ace.


I believe that they want to give the Hellbat a buff.
Always look on the bright side of life
SamsLiST
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany184 Posts
November 20 2012 12:54 GMT
#265
the most Terran in this interview was the symbol on his shirt.
monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-20 12:56:09
November 20 2012 12:55 GMT
#266
On November 20 2012 21:46 DaveVAH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2012 19:20 monk. wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:04 DaveVAH wrote:
Monk you spent 90% of the interview talking about and asking questions about P and Z, you let Dustin skip on his brood-lord infester answer on the TvZ MU (only ZvZ and PvZ broodlord infester usage was discussed).


Does terran not exist anymore or something? how about some questions on mech in TvP hots?

We need more objectivity in these interviews.

But I'm wearing a Terran Shirt!

Is that supposed to be funny? That was a serious observation.

I already responded on the last page.
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MacNaughty
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada41 Posts
November 20 2012 12:58 GMT
#267
I enjoyed that interview a lot. I'd heard a lot of people talk about Dustin before but didn't really know what to think. He's a really smart guy. I liked the way he subtly addressed so much of the community's whining in a positive way. He knows a lot of the people arguing that "x race is imba" doing have a firm grasp of the epistemology required for proper decision making.

For Monk, don't know if you'll read this but great interview! You asked a lot of gutsy questions that I'm sure satisfied a tonne of nerds watching this video. Bit of constructive criticism: make sure that the questions you ask or examples you bring up are different enough from one another. A bunch of the broodlord/infestor questions were very similar to one another. But overall, it was solid. Don't know how old you are but that had to have been nerve racking and no doubt it'll serve as an experience that will help you in future endevors : )
ShotgunMike
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden241 Posts
November 20 2012 13:02 GMT
#268
Good interview! I think monk had about the right questions, seems to reflect the current discussions in the community. DB did dodge TvZ some but on the other hand there was a lot of Infestor and brod lord discussions anyway.

DB is rather smooth during these types of interviews, he has answered the same questions 100 times and can be quite persuasive. I guess they do know what they are doing, slow and steady in the right direction is better than swift and wrong.
Hot_Bid: "B10" - ThorZain: "BINGO" - Naniwa: "Apologize! ¤%#¤#&¤% Terran IMBA"
iPope
Profile Joined October 2012
United States4 Posts
November 20 2012 13:02 GMT
#269
Why dont they just consider having fungal either do damage or hold units in position, but not both..
Creator&Grubby : Thorzain&DeMuslim : Nerchio&DRG
ShotgunMike
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden241 Posts
November 20 2012 13:04 GMT
#270
On November 20 2012 21:55 monk. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2012 21:46 DaveVAH wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:20 monk. wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:04 DaveVAH wrote:
Monk you spent 90% of the interview talking about and asking questions about P and Z, you let Dustin skip on his brood-lord infester answer on the TvZ MU (only ZvZ and PvZ broodlord infester usage was discussed).


Does terran not exist anymore or something? how about some questions on mech in TvP hots?

We need more objectivity in these interviews.

But I'm wearing a Terran Shirt!

Is that supposed to be funny? That was a serious observation.

I already responded on the last page.


No need to be too defensive, you are doing a great job in the interview. There will always be those that complain but I think most people here are very grateful for the work you put in!
Hot_Bid: "B10" - ThorZain: "BINGO" - Naniwa: "Apologize! ¤%#¤#&¤% Terran IMBA"
bluQ
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany1724 Posts
November 20 2012 13:05 GMT
#271
"Right?!"
www.twitch.tv/bluquh (PoE, Starbow, HS)
monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
November 20 2012 13:07 GMT
#272
On November 20 2012 22:04 ShotgunMike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2012 21:55 monk. wrote:
On November 20 2012 21:46 DaveVAH wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:20 monk. wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:04 DaveVAH wrote:
Monk you spent 90% of the interview talking about and asking questions about P and Z, you let Dustin skip on his brood-lord infester answer on the TvZ MU (only ZvZ and PvZ broodlord infester usage was discussed).


Does terran not exist anymore or something? how about some questions on mech in TvP hots?

We need more objectivity in these interviews.

But I'm wearing a Terran Shirt!

Is that supposed to be funny? That was a serious observation.

I already responded on the last page.


No need to be too defensive, you are doing a great job in the interview. There will always be those that complain but I think most people here are very grateful for the work you put in!

Yea, sure. I think his complaint is a completely understandable and reasonable one though, especially if he doesn't know where I'm trying to come from. I'm not going to respond to just any random haters. =P
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Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
November 20 2012 13:07 GMT
#273
On November 20 2012 15:46 monk. wrote:
Hope you guys also focus on his answers about his approach to the game, and not just the balance changes.


I'm actually not sure what's worse, the fact that he has refused to balance the game for so long or that he actually believes some of the balance issues can be attributed to "cultural differences" or "will solve themselves".

If he has refused to care about the game for so long, until 'later in hots beta', then it's really not a compelling reason for people to care about spectating this game.
Sleet
Profile Joined January 2011
United States139 Posts
November 20 2012 13:11 GMT
#274
Are you kidding? Without neural mass thors will just roll every tvz, even against broods. Also upgraded medivacs would be sooo OP it wouldn't even be funny.
@SLeetscgames
Chronos.
Profile Joined February 2012
United States805 Posts
November 20 2012 13:15 GMT
#275
Wow I thought they said psi units couldn't be neuraled, not fungaled. Not allowing them to be fungaled might actually be a huge change, we'll have to see how ghosts and hts can do against them after this, but it might just work.

I was pleasantly surprised with this interview, Browder really seems to have the same things in mind as we do, they're just going about changing this really cautiously.

Also, as much as I had thought Terran needed another unit in HotS, I love what he said about just making all the other less used Terran units and abilities more viable, and that they'll work on TvP mech. Gives me a lot of hope.
xAdra
Profile Joined July 2012
Singapore1858 Posts
November 20 2012 13:15 GMT
#276
Glad he's aware of the Infested Terran problem. Faith in Dustin Browder is slightly restored, after that disgusting comment that "we think infestor/broodlord is fine"
NuKE[vZ]
Profile Joined July 2012
United States249 Posts
November 20 2012 13:17 GMT
#277
I wish the interviewer would leave personal stuff out of the questioning... that IdrA interview was quite annoying especially when the interviewer started telling IdrA how to defeat Rain and stuff...


just ask questions and let the person talk.
BlueLanterna
Profile Joined April 2011
291 Posts
November 20 2012 13:18 GMT
#278
On November 20 2012 22:11 the.toninator wrote:
Are you kidding? Without neural mass thors will just roll every tvz, even against broods. Also upgraded medivacs would be sooo OP it wouldn't even be funny.


I don't know what world you're living in but mass thors get fucking demolished by brood lords a large majority of the time.
Zalias
Profile Joined June 2010
Lithuania79 Posts
November 20 2012 13:22 GMT
#279
Blizzard will make the same mistake as always. When they try to nerf unit, they always make an overkill, which leaves the unit useless and unused. By the talks it's the case again. He talks about nerfing every single ability of infestors and even removing the remaining nerfed effect on some of the units. IN my opinion, it's an obvious overkill.
Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-20 13:46:12
November 20 2012 13:22 GMT
#280
neural is a really funky and extremely tough to balance spell, I'm glad they may get rid of it.
I was thinking maybe replacing it with some kind of pure support ability like casting something that gives a temporary speed boost to a group of your units. I'm thinking overlords/ultras/hydras/swarm hosts mainly here (overlords so they can actually possibly reach a retreating army to bomb them), just to name a few of the many possible uses, although sped-up banelings may be a little too strong, perhaps it would give banelings that are off of creep the same speed as if they were on creep, and unchange the speed if they are already on creep. I like how many potential tactical maneuvers could be discovered for it.. I bet people could get really creative with it.

Dustin I think didn't realize one major change that would happen as a result of changing Fungal from a root to a slow, is that right now if you get fungaled once, you can keep chaining fungals on same group of units till they're dead and there's not really anything the defender can do about it. With a slow, at least you could slowly split some of them away so they can't be refungaled again and again so easily.
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