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On November 20 2012 20:16 K9GM3 wrote:Show nested quote +Will redesign Mothership so it won’t be a serious unit used in professional esports play ...Why? And if it's not viable for competitive play, what makes them think it'll be useful in casual play?
It doesn't have to be viable or useful. It has to be fun and interesting, but weak enough so that it's a non-factor in balance and race design. Nerf the Mothership, but buff other units to compensate. A player can always build one for fun in a team game or maybe as a BM unit.
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On November 20 2012 20:25 aTnClouD wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 20:21 Rannasha wrote:
What's missing in the summary is that Dustin Browder said the word "right" 121 times (give or take a few due to miscounting) during the 32 minute interview. That's once every 16 seconds, including the time that monk was doing the talking.
That's crazy, right? Just shows a lot of insecurity, cause they don't really have a clue about what to do anymore and they are crumbling under the pressure of people who want better than we have now.
Yea and I bet you could do an immensely better job, riiight?
Dumbass.
Stop the hating and flaming. Blizz and dustin knows what they're doing. And it's going in the right direction and always has. Stop being part of the problem.
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On November 20 2012 19:04 DaveVAH wrote:
Monk you spent 90% of the interview talking about and asking questions about P and Z, you let Dustin skip on his brood-lord infester answer on the TvZ MU (only ZvZ and PvZ broodlord infester usage was discussed).
Does terran not exist anymore or something? how about some questions on mech in TvP hots?
We need more objectivity in these interviews.
I am glad that someone else noticed this. Seems Dustin talked about Terran almost unprompted as Monk was very PvZ and ZvZ focused. I wonder what Monk plays?
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On November 20 2012 20:38 MasterFischer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 20:25 aTnClouD wrote:On November 20 2012 20:21 Rannasha wrote:
What's missing in the summary is that Dustin Browder said the word "right" 121 times (give or take a few due to miscounting) during the 32 minute interview. That's once every 16 seconds, including the time that monk was doing the talking.
That's crazy, right? Just shows a lot of insecurity, cause they don't really have a clue about what to do anymore and they are crumbling under the pressure of people who want better than we have now. Yea and I bet you could do an immensely better job, riiight? Dumbass. Stop the hating and flaming. Blizz and dustin knows what they're doing. And it's going in the right direction and always has. Stop being part of the problem.
Rofl, bow down to King Browder and the wonder group, Blizzard. Cloud is right, they are LOST
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On November 20 2012 20:38 MasterFischer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 20:25 aTnClouD wrote:On November 20 2012 20:21 Rannasha wrote:
What's missing in the summary is that Dustin Browder said the word "right" 121 times (give or take a few due to miscounting) during the 32 minute interview. That's once every 16 seconds, including the time that monk was doing the talking.
That's crazy, right? Just shows a lot of insecurity, cause they don't really have a clue about what to do anymore and they are crumbling under the pressure of people who want better than we have now. Yea and I bet you could do an immensely better job, riiight? Dumbass. Stop the hating and flaming. Blizz and dustin knows what they're doing. And it's going in the right direction and always has. Stop being part of the problem.
Nope they aren't and it's so clean from every interview they release. DB saying Terrans are losing because of culture and immortal all in / late game pvz not being an issue even after having statistics proving it wrong thrown right in his face =/= Blizz and dustin knows what they're doing.
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On November 20 2012 20:40 DeadByDawn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 19:04 DaveVAH wrote:
Monk you spent 90% of the interview talking about and asking questions about P and Z, you let Dustin skip on his brood-lord infester answer on the TvZ MU (only ZvZ and PvZ broodlord infester usage was discussed).
Does terran not exist anymore or something? how about some questions on mech in TvP hots?
We need more objectivity in these interviews. I am glad that someone else noticed this. Seems Dustin talked about Terran almost unprompted as Monk was very PvZ and ZvZ focused. I wonder what Monk plays?
They talk about PvZ and ZvZ because those are the only matchups we even see anymore. It's hard to discuss the current Terran metagame because we don't see a lot of it lol.
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On November 20 2012 20:40 TimENT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 20:38 MasterFischer wrote:On November 20 2012 20:25 aTnClouD wrote:On November 20 2012 20:21 Rannasha wrote:
What's missing in the summary is that Dustin Browder said the word "right" 121 times (give or take a few due to miscounting) during the 32 minute interview. That's once every 16 seconds, including the time that monk was doing the talking.
That's crazy, right? Just shows a lot of insecurity, cause they don't really have a clue about what to do anymore and they are crumbling under the pressure of people who want better than we have now. Yea and I bet you could do an immensely better job, riiight? Dumbass. Stop the hating and flaming. Blizz and dustin knows what they're doing. And it's going in the right direction and always has. Stop being part of the problem. Rofl, bow down to King Browder and the wonder group, Blizzard. Cloud is right, they are LOST
Yea and some gold leaguer is gonna tell them different right?
You got no clue, have you?
Dustin probaly knows a shitton more than you will ever be able to fathom. So why jump on the hate train? Blizzard is adressing alot of the problems in a manner that requires deep analytical process. It's not just as easy as you think it is. Just because you think he's wrong, doesn't make it fucking so. ALOT of pros and top players agree with the problems dustin adresses here and so forth. Hence why the questions are the way they are.
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On November 20 2012 19:44 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 19:43 Akatsuki1012 wrote:
Oh wow infestor nerfs are horrifying! I mean yes while I do agree that infestors are a bit powerful at the moment, changing fungal to a slow, giving it a projectile animation, allowing psionic units to be immune to it, and removing neural would totally crush zerg. And now they're gonna buff medivacs, one of the hardest things to deal with as a zerg and one of the main reasons why we NEED fungal to stop units in place.
Changing fungal to a slow would allow marines and tanks to still load medivacs and allow medivacs to still run away against a ling bling festor army. Zergs would have to chase flying units down with fungals and would no longer be able to use infested terrans to shoot flying units down.
Projectile animations is sounds fine with me, but including it along with all these other nerfs just makes using infestors too difficult and "not worth it" anymore.
The psionic unit buff against the fungal sounds fine until you consider warp prisms, ghosts, and dark templars. They should still allow warp prisms to be caught, and it would be fine if ghosts and DT's wouldnt get stuck/slowed but they should still be revealed.
Neural parasite is hard enough to use as it is, and there are only so few units that zerg could use it against. It's one of the only ways we can combat a mass thor/battlecruiser/carrier etc build. Without it, other races would be able to spam tier 3 units with little fear of being countered.
I really wish Browder would reconsider some of these changes. Hopefully they notice how weak it would make zerg during their testing phase. Chill out for a sec you need to take a second to actually listen to the chronology of the changes he was talking about. The projectile change isn't even going on the WoL testing realms, it's going on the beta realms. He's talking about MAYBE buffing Medivacs for HOTS there's no such plans on the table for WoL. The only changes that are on the table for the near future (read the next few months) are the psionic immune fungal change and the removing of the research requirement for Ravens. Blizzard isn't going to hit Zerg with like 4 major nerfs all at once, you don't need to worry about that.
Oh! Phew thanks man, I was really worried for a second there. How about the neural removal? That still worries me a bit. And again, the psionic immunity isn't too bad but I wish it would still reveal cloaked units.
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On November 20 2012 20:43 spbelky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 20:40 DeadByDawn wrote:On November 20 2012 19:04 DaveVAH wrote:
Monk you spent 90% of the interview talking about and asking questions about P and Z, you let Dustin skip on his brood-lord infester answer on the TvZ MU (only ZvZ and PvZ broodlord infester usage was discussed).
Does terran not exist anymore or something? how about some questions on mech in TvP hots?
We need more objectivity in these interviews. I am glad that someone else noticed this. Seems Dustin talked about Terran almost unprompted as Monk was very PvZ and ZvZ focused. I wonder what Monk plays? They talk about PvZ and ZvZ because those are the only matchups we even see anymore. It's hard to discuss the current Terran metagame because we don't see a lot of it lol.
What's a terran ?
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So much hate, get over it. I enjoyed the interview.
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On November 20 2012 20:41 aTnClouD wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 20:38 MasterFischer wrote:On November 20 2012 20:25 aTnClouD wrote:On November 20 2012 20:21 Rannasha wrote:
What's missing in the summary is that Dustin Browder said the word "right" 121 times (give or take a few due to miscounting) during the 32 minute interview. That's once every 16 seconds, including the time that monk was doing the talking.
That's crazy, right? Just shows a lot of insecurity, cause they don't really have a clue about what to do anymore and they are crumbling under the pressure of people who want better than we have now. Yea and I bet you could do an immensely better job, riiight? Dumbass. Stop the hating and flaming. Blizz and dustin knows what they're doing. And it's going in the right direction and always has. Stop being part of the problem. Nope they aren't and it's so clean from every interview they release. DB saying Terrans are losing because of culture and immortal all in / late game pvz not being an issue even after having statistics proving it wrong thrown right in his face =/= Blizz and dustin knows what they're doing.
It IS because of cultural differences you clutz.
foreign Terran has always been bad. WAtch the Idra interview, he says the same thing basically...
Korean Terran has always been strong.
WAtch GSL CODE S.... There are 9003492304 terrans in there, all top players in the world. They are just not in WCS, cos they had other things to do, or had a bad day and got an upset.. doesnt mean that they couldnt win WCS as Terran..
Terran needs help, and they are gonna get it, but it's not as bad as people think.
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On November 20 2012 20:44 MasterFischer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 20:40 TimENT wrote:On November 20 2012 20:38 MasterFischer wrote:On November 20 2012 20:25 aTnClouD wrote:On November 20 2012 20:21 Rannasha wrote:
What's missing in the summary is that Dustin Browder said the word "right" 121 times (give or take a few due to miscounting) during the 32 minute interview. That's once every 16 seconds, including the time that monk was doing the talking.
That's crazy, right? Just shows a lot of insecurity, cause they don't really have a clue about what to do anymore and they are crumbling under the pressure of people who want better than we have now. Yea and I bet you could do an immensely better job, riiight? Dumbass. Stop the hating and flaming. Blizz and dustin knows what they're doing. And it's going in the right direction and always has. Stop being part of the problem. Rofl, bow down to King Browder and the wonder group, Blizzard. Cloud is right, they are LOST Yea and some gold leaguer is gonna tell them different right? You got no clue, have you? Dustin probaly knows a shitton more than you will ever be able to fathom. So why jump on the hate train? Blizzard is adressing alot of the problems in a manner that requires deep analytical process. It's not just as easy as you think it is. Just because you think he's wrong, doesn't make it fucking so. ALOT of pros and top players agree with the problems dustin adresses here and so forth. Hence why the questions are the way they are.
Personal insults...check
False info...check
I'm sure pros agree with some of the issues, just none of the solutions and they are missing the design problems here. Stop blindly worshipping this false god in Blizzard
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On November 20 2012 20:29 Rannasha wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 20:25 aTnClouD wrote:On November 20 2012 20:21 Rannasha wrote:
What's missing in the summary is that Dustin Browder said the word "right" 121 times (give or take a few due to miscounting) during the 32 minute interview. That's once every 16 seconds, including the time that monk was doing the talking.
That's crazy, right? Just shows a lot of insecurity, cause they don't really have a clue about what to do anymore and they are crumbling under the pressure of people who want better than we have now. Except that he's always done that (watch early interviews). It's just the way he talks rather than anything related to the current situation. Since he always says "right" alot I decided to open a text editor to keep count before I started watching.
Maybe he didnt have a clue then either? There must be a reason why they think it isnt important that you will have different balance between "2 Marines vs 1 Zealot" and "20 Marines vs 10 Zealots" and "60 Marines vs 30 Zealots". Ignoring this simple mathematical problem is a sign of "not thinking it through thoroughly enough" IMO.
It is also a sign of arrogance to NOT start with the first game and then develop things from there on in SMALL STEPS. Thinking "we must make a better game than the previous one and thus add in huge changes" is terribly arrogant and it would have been wiser to improve in small steps only.
1. Add in new movement mechanics and test them with the BW units. If that doesnt feel right SCRAP THE IDEA.
2. Try out unlimited unit selection and test it with BW units. If that doesnt feel right SCRAP THE IDEA.
3. Try out "economic and production speed boosts" for the different races with BW units. If that doesnt feel right SCRAP THE IDEA.
4. ...
99. If all the GENERAL CHANGES work you can start to swap out new units for old ones and check if they work well enough.
Obviously hindsight is 20/20, but you have to be courageous enogh to admit it when you made a mistake and this is where they are totally failing. Either that or they are too dumb to see the problems, but I dont want to be insulting. The deathball is a "universal" problem and should be taken as a sign that some problems with the "general mechanics of the game" exist and thus they should be fixed. Sadly they are too blind to see or admit it, even when it is so easy to see.
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On November 20 2012 20:49 MasterFischer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 20:41 aTnClouD wrote:On November 20 2012 20:38 MasterFischer wrote:On November 20 2012 20:25 aTnClouD wrote:On November 20 2012 20:21 Rannasha wrote:
What's missing in the summary is that Dustin Browder said the word "right" 121 times (give or take a few due to miscounting) during the 32 minute interview. That's once every 16 seconds, including the time that monk was doing the talking.
That's crazy, right? Just shows a lot of insecurity, cause they don't really have a clue about what to do anymore and they are crumbling under the pressure of people who want better than we have now. Yea and I bet you could do an immensely better job, riiight? Dumbass. Stop the hating and flaming. Blizz and dustin knows what they're doing. And it's going in the right direction and always has. Stop being part of the problem. Nope they aren't and it's so clean from every interview they release. DB saying Terrans are losing because of culture and immortal all in / late game pvz not being an issue even after having statistics proving it wrong thrown right in his face =/= Blizz and dustin knows what they're doing. It IS because of cultural differences you clutz. foreign Terran has always been bad. WAtch the Idra interview, he says the same thing basically... Korean Terran has always been strong. WAtch GSL CODE S.... There are 9003492304 terrans in there, all top players in the world. They are just not in WCS, cos they had other things to do, or had a bad day and got an upset.. doesnt mean that they couldnt win WCS as Terran.. Terran needs help, and they are gonna get it, but it's not as bad as people think.
No. It's not 'cultural'
It's cause Terran is hard to play. Foreign toss and Zerg exist because of fungal growth, infested Terran, warp gate, colossi, and storm. Terran is unforgiving to the nth degree. Terran doesn't need help, Zerg and Protoss need to be made infinitely harder to play, but not worse
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On November 20 2012 19:37 xarcatos wrote:
RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT?
Terrible terrible damage!
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On November 20 2012 20:49 TimENT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 20:44 MasterFischer wrote:On November 20 2012 20:40 TimENT wrote:On November 20 2012 20:38 MasterFischer wrote:On November 20 2012 20:25 aTnClouD wrote:On November 20 2012 20:21 Rannasha wrote:
What's missing in the summary is that Dustin Browder said the word "right" 121 times (give or take a few due to miscounting) during the 32 minute interview. That's once every 16 seconds, including the time that monk was doing the talking.
That's crazy, right? Just shows a lot of insecurity, cause they don't really have a clue about what to do anymore and they are crumbling under the pressure of people who want better than we have now. Yea and I bet you could do an immensely better job, riiight? Dumbass. Stop the hating and flaming. Blizz and dustin knows what they're doing. And it's going in the right direction and always has. Stop being part of the problem. Rofl, bow down to King Browder and the wonder group, Blizzard. Cloud is right, they are LOST Yea and some gold leaguer is gonna tell them different right? You got no clue, have you? Dustin probaly knows a shitton more than you will ever be able to fathom. So why jump on the hate train? Blizzard is adressing alot of the problems in a manner that requires deep analytical process. It's not just as easy as you think it is. Just because you think he's wrong, doesn't make it fucking so. ALOT of pros and top players agree with the problems dustin adresses here and so forth. Hence why the questions are the way they are. Personal insults...check False info...check I'm sure pros agree with some of the issues, just none of the solutions and they are missing the design problems here. Stop blindly worshipping this false god in Blizzard
Except for the fact that blizzard is in close contact with the pro community on balance changes. Most of this stuff actually comes from pro feedback. That's why they are TESTING CHANGES.. do u know what that means? TESTING?
Also, they are trying to adress alot of the design problems in HOTS, and a few minor ones in WoL. If you're such a boss at balancing top e-sports rts games, why arent you hired then? Mr. Know-it-all.
Because you're probaly a silver leaguer. Anyway.
Blizzard has already acknowledged that there are some design problems, and they are actively trying to adress it best way they can. Nobody is perfect.
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They recognized late-game PvZ is a problem but not the Immortal/Sentry all-in and believed that it can be solved by zergs?
The Immortal Sentry is equivalent of the 1/1/1 now seeing the insane win-rate protoss with that build.
Immortal Sentry has been prevalent for a while, it would have been solved by the top Korean pros if that was the case.
But it hasn't been solved at all and it is still ridiculously strong.
1/1/1 has been solved(coupled with Immortal 1 range buff).
Protoss finally know how to deal with it 1/1/1 is literally obsolete.
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On November 20 2012 20:54 MasterFischer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 20:49 TimENT wrote:On November 20 2012 20:44 MasterFischer wrote:On November 20 2012 20:40 TimENT wrote:On November 20 2012 20:38 MasterFischer wrote:On November 20 2012 20:25 aTnClouD wrote:On November 20 2012 20:21 Rannasha wrote:
What's missing in the summary is that Dustin Browder said the word "right" 121 times (give or take a few due to miscounting) during the 32 minute interview. That's once every 16 seconds, including the time that monk was doing the talking.
That's crazy, right? Just shows a lot of insecurity, cause they don't really have a clue about what to do anymore and they are crumbling under the pressure of people who want better than we have now. Yea and I bet you could do an immensely better job, riiight? Dumbass. Stop the hating and flaming. Blizz and dustin knows what they're doing. And it's going in the right direction and always has. Stop being part of the problem. Rofl, bow down to King Browder and the wonder group, Blizzard. Cloud is right, they are LOST Yea and some gold leaguer is gonna tell them different right? You got no clue, have you? Dustin probaly knows a shitton more than you will ever be able to fathom. So why jump on the hate train? Blizzard is adressing alot of the problems in a manner that requires deep analytical process. It's not just as easy as you think it is. Just because you think he's wrong, doesn't make it fucking so. ALOT of pros and top players agree with the problems dustin adresses here and so forth. Hence why the questions are the way they are. Personal insults...check False info...check I'm sure pros agree with some of the issues, just none of the solutions and they are missing the design problems here. Stop blindly worshipping this false god in Blizzard Except for the fact that blizzard is in close contact with the pro community on balance changes. Most of this stuff actually comes from pro feedback. That's why they are TESTING CHANGES.. do u know what that means? TESTING? Also, they are trying to adress alot of the design problems in HOTS, and a few minor ones in WoL. If you're such a boss at balancing top e-sports rts games, why arent you hired then? Mr. Know-it-all. Because you're probaly a silver leaguer. Anyway. Blizzard has already acknowledged that there are some design problems, and they are actively trying to adress it best way they can. Nobody is perfect.
Gold leaguer, silver leaguer...which one is it man!? Blizzard isn't it close contact with pros at all. They should be talking to Korean pros, and that's it.
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Listening to this interview, you'd think it's Zerg who got top 3 at BWC...
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On November 20 2012 20:52 TimENT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 20:49 MasterFischer wrote:On November 20 2012 20:41 aTnClouD wrote:On November 20 2012 20:38 MasterFischer wrote:On November 20 2012 20:25 aTnClouD wrote:On November 20 2012 20:21 Rannasha wrote:
What's missing in the summary is that Dustin Browder said the word "right" 121 times (give or take a few due to miscounting) during the 32 minute interview. That's once every 16 seconds, including the time that monk was doing the talking.
That's crazy, right? Just shows a lot of insecurity, cause they don't really have a clue about what to do anymore and they are crumbling under the pressure of people who want better than we have now. Yea and I bet you could do an immensely better job, riiight? Dumbass. Stop the hating and flaming. Blizz and dustin knows what they're doing. And it's going in the right direction and always has. Stop being part of the problem. Nope they aren't and it's so clean from every interview they release. DB saying Terrans are losing because of culture and immortal all in / late game pvz not being an issue even after having statistics proving it wrong thrown right in his face =/= Blizz and dustin knows what they're doing. It IS because of cultural differences you clutz. foreign Terran has always been bad. WAtch the Idra interview, he says the same thing basically... Korean Terran has always been strong. WAtch GSL CODE S.... There are 9003492304 terrans in there, all top players in the world. They are just not in WCS, cos they had other things to do, or had a bad day and got an upset.. doesnt mean that they couldnt win WCS as Terran.. Terran needs help, and they are gonna get it, but it's not as bad as people think. No. It's not 'cultural' It's cause Terran is hard to play. Foreign toss and Zerg exist because of fungal growth, infested Terran, warp gate, colossi, and storm. Terran is unforgiving to the nth degree. Terran doesn't need help, Zerg and Protoss need to be made infinitely harder to play, but not worse
Terran is hard to play?
Or are the players just bad?
This would mean, that, if u buffed terran somewaht, or nerfed toss and zerg.
We would be seeing korean Terran win every gsl and WCS etc.. because terran is now alot easier to play, and since korean terran is aleady very good.. they would be impossible to beat now... that's what you're saying 
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