Granted, I lived in another city but when I lived in China for 6 months, I felt completely fine walking around town with about the equivalent of three month salaries in China in my pocket. I've always had a lot of cash money with me, yet never been even attempted to get robbed.
It should be easy to cach them since there are always cameras in atms (at least in sweden) and they can just trace the transactions. He should get the money back without too much of a problem.
On November 16 2012 19:30 shadymmj wrote: welcome to china, next time stick to hong kong, macau and the republic of china, where there is law and order.
FYI Hong Kong/Macau also has these type of cases. Hong Kong infamously is known for having a lot of triad gangs.
On November 16 2012 12:11 Slackzftw wrote: [quote]
You have seen too many movies lol! No gangster would kill a tourist because he doesn't give him money. In what world are you living. If you didn't know: murdering people is also illegal in china and if they get caught they don't want to get in jail forever because they murdered someone. These small pseudo-gangsters who mostly only try to steal from tourists are not these type of russian mafia guys who would kill someone.
how would you know for sure? you're life is on the line. and they dont necessarily have to get caught. Corruption in China might be big enough to hide it. Dunno if its smart to try to be a hero. I wouldnt gamble my life or my health for 2000$. Thats nothing. It doesnt take much time to earn 2000$
That's very terrifying actually. Reading that definitely gave me a good sense of the danger and what it would be like to be in a situation like that - how much could go wrong etc. I wanted to bring up another point though and even though Mr Bitter got out alive and well it could go wrong in many other variations just like you say - even if he didn't show any resistance something still could have gone wrong, with that said, we in the US should consider ourselves grateful to have the right to carry firearms, despite it having happend in china it can happend anywhere and even though some of you will look at this scenario and just say well just give them all your money, comply, dont risk it, and you should get out of the situation alive it may not work like that all the time and if you have nothing to defend yourself well you're SOL then.
Obviously this justifies everyone having firearms -.-
I can't see MrBitter's scenario happen anywhere in Western, Northern of South-Western Europe, unless you actually ask for shit like that to happen (go to 'ghetto-like' surroundings, making trouble, etc.). Hell, even in Middle-Europe should be fine. Whilst never been in the US, I'm betting the chance of this happening in big US cities are at least 3 times as much. Because if you have a firearm-right, so do the thugs.
Glad MrBitter is physically alright Sucky situation, but I guess going alone and probably intoxicated to some extent isn't smart in such cities.
EDIT: And this:
On November 16 2012 18:21 hp.Shell wrote: I'm of the opinion that having a firearm would have only intensified the situation, which is something you definitely don't want in that situation.
The thugs will have firearms whether its legal or not and if youre convicted you can lose that right but that won't stop criminals from obtaining fire arms anyways the problem is though, if there is no right then the self respecting citizen will be the one defenseless. There are interviews of criminals admitting if they knew citizens were always carrying fire arms they would be less likely to commit any crime when they know anyone else around them is armed.
Thugs don't need a firearm if they know civilians don't. Say you're a thug and you know I don't have any firearm on me, why bring a gun (unless you actually want to kill someone or do a bank robbery, in which case, having firearms is useless anyway), just bring a knife instead, enough threat to make 90% of the population shit themselves, especially if you're with 2 or more guys, or greater numbers in general. Result is less 'accidental' murders for $2000 mugs like this one.
Why would a thug reduce his dominance potential over someone? He wouldn't. Criminals are criminals.
Actually, they would. Criminals don't actually want people to get hurt either, they do have a brain you know. Here in the Netherlands, I rarely hear of people being mugged with a gun. Hell, even a knife is rare, just have 2-3 tall guys standing against you and you'll pay up anyway.
We have gangs all over the US like MS13 that will kill people without a second thought. They're not going to go hmm only need a knife now because that person can only use a knife - no they're going to be like lulz I can completely have my way now because they will have a gun and a citizen won't. Seriously go youtube and watch a documentary show called gangland and type in ms13
Actually I'll just link it
what i take from that vid is what they say at the beginning: someone from the gang got shot cause someone had a gun, so they also started shooting people because they have guns as well
wow that is really shocking, I guess I really have to take my parents words for it when they tell me to be careful where I go in asia, or in other countries in general. While it seems like it would never happen to you, this just shows anyone could be affected. Luckily for bitter all they wanted was money rather than be more extreme.
On November 16 2012 19:30 shadymmj wrote: welcome to china, next time stick to hong kong, macau and the republic of china, where there is law and order.
I live in Shanghai and I feel much safer here than when i lived in sydney because there are so many people everywhere and as a westerner there is always a lot of attention on you. Mr Bitter made a mistake not stopping the cab and getting out immediately, and good on him admitting his mistakes.
Holy shit, I think that is everybody's nightmare when travelling over seas. If there was a place we could donate to help you out I would chuck in a bit.
On November 16 2012 19:30 shadymmj wrote: welcome to china, next time stick to hong kong, macau and the republic of china, where there is law and order.
You are right, Mr.Bitter should have gone to Hong Kong and just abandoned BWC.
On November 16 2012 12:21 SpikeStarcraft wrote: [quote]
how would you know for sure? you're life is on the line. and they dont necessarily have to get caught. Corruption in China might be big enough to hide it. Dunno if its smart to try to be a hero. I wouldnt gamble my life or my health for 2000$. Thats nothing. It doesnt take much time to earn 2000$
That's very terrifying actually. Reading that definitely gave me a good sense of the danger and what it would be like to be in a situation like that - how much could go wrong etc. I wanted to bring up another point though and even though Mr Bitter got out alive and well it could go wrong in many other variations just like you say - even if he didn't show any resistance something still could have gone wrong, with that said, we in the US should consider ourselves grateful to have the right to carry firearms, despite it having happend in china it can happend anywhere and even though some of you will look at this scenario and just say well just give them all your money, comply, dont risk it, and you should get out of the situation alive it may not work like that all the time and if you have nothing to defend yourself well you're SOL then.
Obviously this justifies everyone having firearms -.-
I can't see MrBitter's scenario happen anywhere in Western, Northern of South-Western Europe, unless you actually ask for shit like that to happen (go to 'ghetto-like' surroundings, making trouble, etc.). Hell, even in Middle-Europe should be fine. Whilst never been in the US, I'm betting the chance of this happening in big US cities are at least 3 times as much. Because if you have a firearm-right, so do the thugs.
Glad MrBitter is physically alright Sucky situation, but I guess going alone and probably intoxicated to some extent isn't smart in such cities.
EDIT: And this:
On November 16 2012 18:21 hp.Shell wrote: I'm of the opinion that having a firearm would have only intensified the situation, which is something you definitely don't want in that situation.
The thugs will have firearms whether its legal or not and if youre convicted you can lose that right but that won't stop criminals from obtaining fire arms anyways the problem is though, if there is no right then the self respecting citizen will be the one defenseless. There are interviews of criminals admitting if they knew citizens were always carrying fire arms they would be less likely to commit any crime when they know anyone else around them is armed.
Thugs don't need a firearm if they know civilians don't. Say you're a thug and you know I don't have any firearm on me, why bring a gun (unless you actually want to kill someone or do a bank robbery, in which case, having firearms is useless anyway), just bring a knife instead, enough threat to make 90% of the population shit themselves, especially if you're with 2 or more guys, or greater numbers in general. Result is less 'accidental' murders for $2000 mugs like this one.
Why would a thug reduce his dominance potential over someone? He wouldn't. Criminals are criminals.
Actually, they would. Criminals don't actually want people to get hurt either, they do have a brain you know. Here in the Netherlands, I rarely hear of people being mugged with a gun. Hell, even a knife is rare, just have 2-3 tall guys standing against you and you'll pay up anyway.
We have gangs all over the US like MS13 that will kill people without a second thought. They're not going to go hmm only need a knife now because that person can only use a knife - no they're going to be like lulz I can completely have my way now because they will have a gun and a citizen won't. Seriously go youtube and watch a documentary show called gangland and type in ms13
Lol, that actually proves my point. Let's say this: I couldn't find any useable statistics about armed robberies, but I guess the trend should be around the same:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2012/jul/22/gun-homicides-ownership-world-list Switzerland is up there, because people are required to have a gun at home (as they're part of the Militia). Italy, United states have around 60% of homicides by gun. But most European countries have <40%. The real deal is looking at #homicides by firearm per 100.000 people. US: 2.97. Some European countries at 0.77, but most at <0.45. And most of these countries have over 50% less guns/person than the US has.
One out of every three Americans knows someone who has been shot, I doubt I know anyone who has ever been shot. ( http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/27/time-to-face-facts-on-gun-control/ ) In fact, the last global Small Arms Survey showed there are 88 guns for every 100 Americans. Yemen is second at 54. Serbia and Iraq are among the other countries in the top 10.
You really want to compare yourself to those countries?
I guess Ice-T can explain it the best for you, the problem with Americans is that they're stuck:
Most EU countries have less than 40% homicides by gun and US is at 60%? I don't know the gun laws in all of the EU countries but I assume they're mostly banned. If they are banned and most gun homicides with some over 40% and some maybe a little less than 40% even with a BAN shows gun banning doesn't stop gun crimes for one thing. The next thing it means is who is getting those guns but criminals and who is unarmed at the same time?
Ice-T is for Gun rights. He is correct that our right to own arms is to prevent tyranny and to not have dictators. Sure he said "If everyone else didn't have any guns then I'll put my guns away too" roughly, but the reality is we don't live in that kind of world, its like trying to get all of the countries with nukes to not use their nukes anymore, they won't.
On November 16 2012 19:30 shadymmj wrote: welcome to china, next time stick to hong kong, macau and the republic of china, where there is law and order.
You are right, Mr.Bitter should have gone to Hong Kong and just abandoned BWC.
It's basically an ignorant post. There is always an inherited risk going over seas and Mr. Bitter didn't take many pre-cautions when choosing a cab. I think investigating into things a little bit is always a good idea.
We all get in these situations, I once was a good Samaritan and pulled over to help a drunk guy who was passed out. He took the keys out of my car and tried to punch me in the face. I also once called a guy a dick head as he was trying to run me and my friends over in his car. He hopped out the car and pulled a gun out on us.
It happens to everyone, some people are just morons..
$1600 and the experience > your life, be grateful that you're alive. There are worse things that could'vew happened, like getting raped after and then thrown at the river in a cemented drum etc
EPT
At least you didnt get hurt 
