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lisward
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Singapore959 Posts
November 16 2012 11:10 GMT
#341
No gun violence in Singapore
Opinions are like phasers -- everybody ought to have one
shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
November 16 2012 11:16 GMT
#342
On November 16 2012 19:58 Arnstein wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 19:30 shadymmj wrote:
welcome to china, next time stick to hong kong, macau and the republic of china, where there is law and order.


You are right, Mr.Bitter should have gone to Hong Kong and just abandoned BWC.


no offense, it's not a tournament to get excited over...there's like, 2 contenders?
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
Linwelin
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland7554 Posts
November 16 2012 11:17 GMT
#343
On November 16 2012 20:16 shadymmj wrote:
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On November 16 2012 19:58 Arnstein wrote:
On November 16 2012 19:30 shadymmj wrote:
welcome to china, next time stick to hong kong, macau and the republic of china, where there is law and order.


You are right, Mr.Bitter should have gone to Hong Kong and just abandoned BWC.


no offense, it's not a tournament to get excited over...there's like, 2 contenders?


He is casting...
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WArped
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom4845 Posts
November 16 2012 11:17 GMT
#344
On November 16 2012 19:35 FakeDeath wrote:
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On November 16 2012 19:30 shadymmj wrote:
welcome to china, next time stick to hong kong, macau and the republic of china, where there is law and order.


FYI Hong Kong/Macau also has these type of cases.
Hong Kong infamously is known for having a lot of triad gangs.

yeah man, have you not played Sleeping Dogs!?
Grollicus
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany287 Posts
November 16 2012 11:20 GMT
#345
Bitter mugged, Grubby food poisoned.. china doesn't look good eh?
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Linwelin
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland7554 Posts
November 16 2012 11:21 GMT
#346
On November 16 2012 20:20 Grollicus wrote:
Bitter mugged, Grubby food poisoned.. china doesn't look good eh?


Yeah man, these things never happen in other countries. Ever
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Giku
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands368 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-16 11:23:10
November 16 2012 11:22 GMT
#347
On November 16 2012 19:59 LeGeNDz wrote:
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On November 16 2012 19:28 Giku wrote:
On November 16 2012 18:52 LeGeNDz wrote:
On November 16 2012 18:48 LeGeNDz wrote:
On November 16 2012 18:47 Giku wrote:
On November 16 2012 18:45 LeGeNDz wrote:
On November 16 2012 18:36 Giku wrote:
On November 16 2012 18:31 LeGeNDz wrote:
On November 16 2012 18:22 Giku wrote:
On November 16 2012 18:13 LeGeNDz wrote:
[quote]

That's very terrifying actually. Reading that definitely gave me a good sense of the danger and what it would be like to be in a situation like that - how much could go wrong etc.
I wanted to bring up another point though and even though Mr Bitter got out alive and well it could go wrong in many other variations just like you say - even if he didn't show any resistance something still could have gone wrong, with that said, we in the US should consider ourselves grateful to have the right to carry firearms, despite it having happend in china it can happend anywhere and even though some of you will look at this scenario and just say well just give them all your money, comply, dont risk it, and you should get out of the situation alive it may not work like that all the time and if you have nothing to defend yourself well you're SOL then.

Obviously this justifies everyone having firearms -.-

I can't see MrBitter's scenario happen anywhere in Western, Northern of South-Western Europe, unless you actually ask for shit like that to happen (go to 'ghetto-like' surroundings, making trouble, etc.). Hell, even in Middle-Europe should be fine. Whilst never been in the US, I'm betting the chance of this happening in big US cities are at least 3 times as much. Because if you have a firearm-right, so do the thugs.

Glad MrBitter is physically alright Sucky situation, but I guess going alone and probably intoxicated to some extent isn't smart in such cities.

EDIT: And this:
On November 16 2012 18:21 hp.Shell wrote:
I'm of the opinion that having a firearm would have only intensified the situation, which is something you definitely don't want in that situation.


The thugs will have firearms whether its legal or not and if youre convicted you can lose that right but that won't stop criminals from obtaining fire arms anyways the problem is though, if there is no right then the self respecting citizen will be the one defenseless. There are interviews of criminals admitting if they knew citizens were always carrying fire arms they would be less likely to commit any crime when they know anyone else around them is armed.

Thugs don't need a firearm if they know civilians don't. Say you're a thug and you know I don't have any firearm on me, why bring a gun (unless you actually want to kill someone or do a bank robbery, in which case, having firearms is useless anyway), just bring a knife instead, enough threat to make 90% of the population shit themselves, especially if you're with 2 or more guys, or greater numbers in general.
Result is less 'accidental' murders for $2000 mugs like this one.


Why would a thug reduce his dominance potential over someone? He wouldn't. Criminals are criminals.

Actually, they would. Criminals don't actually want people to get hurt either, they do have a brain you know. Here in the Netherlands, I rarely hear of people being mugged with a gun. Hell, even a knife is rare, just have 2-3 tall guys standing against you and you'll pay up anyway.


We have gangs all over the US like MS13 that will kill people without a second thought. They're not going to go hmm only need a knife now because that person can only use a knife - no they're going to be like lulz I can completely have my way now because they will have a gun and a citizen won't. Seriously go youtube and watch a documentary show called gangland and type in ms13


Actually I'll just link it

Lol, that actually proves my point. Let's say this:
I couldn't find any useable statistics about armed robberies, but I guess the trend should be around the same:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2012/jul/22/gun-homicides-ownership-world-list
Switzerland is up there, because people are required to have a gun at home (as they're part of the Militia).
Italy, United states have around 60% of homicides by gun.
But most European countries have <40%. The real deal is looking at #homicides by firearm per 100.000 people.
US: 2.97. Some European countries at 0.77, but most at <0.45.
And most of these countries have over 50% less guns/person than the US has.

One out of every three Americans knows someone who has been shot, I doubt I know anyone who has ever been shot.
( http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/27/time-to-face-facts-on-gun-control/ )
In fact, the last global Small Arms Survey showed there are 88 guns for every 100 Americans. Yemen is second at 54. Serbia and Iraq are among the other countries in the top 10.

You really want to compare yourself to those countries?

I guess Ice-T can explain it the best for you, the problem with Americans is that they're stuck:


Most EU countries have less than 40% homicides by gun and US is at 60%? I don't know the gun laws in all of the EU countries but I assume they're mostly banned. If they are banned and most gun homicides with some over 40% and some maybe a little less than 40% even with a BAN shows gun banning doesn't stop gun crimes for one thing. The next thing it means is who is getting those guns but criminals and who is unarmed at the same time?

Ice-T is for Gun rights. He is correct that our right to own arms is to prevent tyranny and to not have dictators. Sure he said "If everyone else didn't have any guns then I'll put my guns away too" roughly, but the reality is we don't live in that kind of world, its like trying to get all of the countries with nukes to not use their nukes anymore, they won't.

You're looking at it wrong.
You get over 5 times more homicides by firearms than we do. That's 60% of your homicides in total.
We get over 5 times less homicides by firearms than you do. That's 40% of our homicides in total.

Thus. We get less homicides, and the ones that DO happen, have 20% less firearms used. 20% is a huge number in these kinds of statistics.

In most European countries: everyone else did put their gun away, so did many others, ofcourse there will be a small minority using guns, but that's mostly for extreme cases. Robberies don't need guns anymore. Nukes are a different story, and you know it.
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Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10126 Posts
November 16 2012 11:24 GMT
#348
On November 16 2012 07:28 Melaine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 07:27 GreyKnight wrote:
On November 16 2012 07:26 Melaine wrote:
On November 16 2012 07:22 ragz_gt wrote:
Hey, glad you are OK and hopefully you get your money back, and then you'd just have a really kick arse story to tell!

From my experience and what I heard from friends Shanghai is pretty safe (though the bars, especially where foreigners tend to go, were packed with hookers), must be shitty luck.



.....Places like Shanghai and other foreigner hot spots are even more not safe and a perfect place for criminals over their to strike a foreigner target, It's China guys.


Lol okay....go back to the 1940s



I go to China often for work, I'm, not sure if you have a clue on how it works in Asia.


Or any turistic place for that matter.
lisward
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Singapore959 Posts
November 16 2012 11:24 GMT
#349
On November 16 2012 20:17 WArped wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 19:35 FakeDeath wrote:
On November 16 2012 19:30 shadymmj wrote:
welcome to china, next time stick to hong kong, macau and the republic of china, where there is law and order.


FYI Hong Kong/Macau also has these type of cases.
Hong Kong infamously is known for having a lot of triad gangs.

yeah man, have you not played Sleeping Dogs!?

Triads are based in Hong Kong
Opinions are like phasers -- everybody ought to have one
Confuse
Profile Joined October 2009
2238 Posts
November 16 2012 11:27 GMT
#350
Ugh I hate stories like these its just so sad to hear but also helpful, thanks for sharing Mr Bitter. Will do my best to not travel alone : /
If we fear what we do not understand, then why is ignorance bliss?
LOLingBuddha
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands697 Posts
November 16 2012 11:28 GMT
#351
I've been to China many times for work, everytime i have had a Chinese (chaperone?) they all warned me multiple times that I being a white dude that speaks english like an american should never go out at night alone.

the director of the company basically assigned one of the campanies employees every day to accompany us wherever we went. (except for the hotel)

this was in Hong Kong, Beijing, and Shanghai.

China is really an astonishingly beautiful country but you really have to be weary of everything around you, if your spine is tingling telling you somethings wrong, listen to it!

anyway, sad to hear this Mr Bitter, i hope you called your bank and had the funds returned to you seeing as it was a mugging.

it also sucks that your experience there has possibly been tainted by this experience, because China has a lot to offer.
AJ-
Profile Joined April 2010
United States316 Posts
November 16 2012 11:33 GMT
#352
i read mrmugger bitten in china
ReachTheSky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3294 Posts
November 16 2012 12:01 GMT
#353
Sad to hear but i hope this taught you a lesson in common sense mr bitter.
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AgniKai
Profile Joined August 2012
70 Posts
November 16 2012 12:11 GMT
#354
How beta can you be, wow
"The reactions were never really positive no matter what our team did, and it was just a little discouraging." IM_Seed at TAC3, IM vs TL
Shallot
Profile Joined September 2011
United States58 Posts
November 16 2012 12:20 GMT
#355
And Bitter said during a NASL broadcast that he was super excited about visiting China. At least he's okay. I would have probably done something fairly stupid and destructive once that driver pulled off. That shit makes me crazy to think about.
A shallot is the love child of garlic and onion.
Inzan1ty
Profile Joined September 2012
1163 Posts
November 16 2012 12:30 GMT
#356
China (the majority) is still very poor

you should expect the unexpected, aka better treat it like a 3rd world countty (it isnt, but it might be in terms of criminal activities)

However you are rather safe in Japan and South Korea.
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derpface
Profile Joined October 2012
Sweden925 Posts
November 16 2012 12:31 GMT
#357
Haha wtf. Weird story. But i can guarantee that you will be able to get your money back. Dont ask me how i know.
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Kanaz
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark658 Posts
November 16 2012 12:32 GMT
#358
The best thing is that nothing really happened to you.
I mean, you will most likely get the 1600$ back, and you are unhurt.
You made the right choices, after you made the wrong one to stay in the cab.
Hope this will not affect you further and GL with upcomming tourney casting!
Dreamer.T
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3584 Posts
November 16 2012 12:33 GMT
#359
On November 16 2012 21:30 Inzan1ty wrote:
China (the majority) is still very poor

you should expect the unexpected, aka better treat it like a 3rd world countty (it isnt, but it might be in terms of criminal activities)

However you are rather safe in Japan and South Korea.


What a ridiculous statement. SK and Japan have just as shady locations as the one Mr. Bitter was in. It can happen in any country.
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Destro
Profile Joined September 2009
Netherlands1206 Posts
November 16 2012 12:35 GMT
#360
Hey Mr bitter not sure if you are reading this thread... but i feel for ya man. I had a similar thing happen to me in mexico. Large guy drags me into a strip club offering to buy me drinks because "he likes canadians" go into the club and a girl walks over.. the guy buys me a lapdance.. im thinking "fuck ya being canadian is great!" the dance lasts for all of 15 seconds and the guy leaves abruptly... and 2 huge bouncers come over to me and said the dancer wants to see me in the private room.
they take me down a scary ass hallway with flickering hospital lights.. looks like a scene from saw. promptly start shitting bricks. go upstairs and 10 very thug looking guys stare at me while the other 2 walk me to this room which is a plywood box with a mattress and blood stains everywhere.. oh and the stripper. I tell her i dont want anything and id like to leave and make up an excuse about my friends looking for me. she walks out of the room and tells me to wait, 5 or 6 of those huge thugs walk in, close the door. tell me i owe them for the time in the room. i said i didnt do anything and want to leave.. big mistake.. guy throws me back into the wall and says he doesnt care, its his room and i owe him money. I ask how much and he says 5k american. I explain i didnt have that kind of money. guy throws me into the wall and says they are taking me to a bank machine. luckily they didnt have a card swiper thing like in your story... so they walk me across the street to the bank, and a theres a bunch of american tourists standing around waiting for their turn.. the moment i see them i start to say HEY GUYS WHATS UP and pretend they are my friends. they see the panic in my eyes and go with the story.. so the thug guys say they are leaving and want me to pay tomorrow and ask me my hotel room number so they can come visit me. I lie about the hotel and the room, they ask the tourists if its true and they go with it and say it was.

I ended up only losing about 200 usd through the whole ordeal.

TLDR; similar thing happened to me, some tourists saved my ass tho


It sucks that you lost that money ben, but considering that you are safe is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more important.

after a while you can start to joke about it, and having such a scary/crazy story might end up being worth the money.. i know mine was :D
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