On November 16 2012 08:16 Slackzftw wrote: Why did he do that, just tell them you have no money or just do like you dont even speak english. "Mich nixe verstehen!" Worst thing would have been to get beat up, but I rather get beat up than lose 2000$.
What? You care about $2k more than yourself? What if they break your arm or your leg. You wanna be disable for the rest of your life instead of losing $2000? How dumb is that?
If you pay me 2000$ you can break one Leg of me.
"Give us all your money or we'll break one of your legs!"
I don't think you understand the situation here. If they were to harm him, it would be MUCH worse than just one leg. It could have been his life. Can't do much with $2000 if you're dead can you?
I'm also pretty sure that if you have a broken leg there isn't much you can do to fight back, and they'll take your money anyway. So your options are to either give them what they want and hope they don't harm you, or they harm you and take what they want. Lesser of two evils.
You have seen too many movies lol! No gangster would kill a tourist because he doesn't give him money. In what world are you living. If you didn't know: murdering people is also illegal in china and if they get caught they don't want to get in jail forever because they murdered someone. These small pseudo-gangsters who mostly only try to steal from tourists are not these type of russian mafia guys who would kill someone.
how would you know for sure? you're life is on the line. and they dont necessarily have to get caught. Corruption in China might be big enough to hide it. Dunno if its smart to try to be a hero. I wouldnt gamble my life or my health for 2000$. Thats nothing. It doesnt take much time to earn 2000$
That's very terrifying actually. Reading that definitely gave me a good sense of the danger and what it would be like to be in a situation like that - how much could go wrong etc. I wanted to bring up another point though and even though Mr Bitter got out alive and well it could go wrong in many other variations just like you say - even if he didn't show any resistance something still could have gone wrong, with that said, we in the US should consider ourselves grateful to have the right to carry firearms, despite it having happend in china it can happend anywhere and even though some of you will look at this scenario and just say well just give them all your money, comply, dont risk it, and you should get out of the situation alive it may not work like that all the time and if you have nothing to defend yourself well you're SOL then.
Obviously this justifies everyone having firearms -.-
I can't see MrBitter's scenario happen anywhere in Western, Northern of South-Western Europe, unless you actually ask for shit like that to happen (go to 'ghetto-like' surroundings, making trouble, etc.). Hell, even in Middle-Europe should be fine. Whilst never been in the US, I'm betting the chance of this happening in big US cities are at least 3 times as much. Because if you have a firearm-right, so do the thugs.
Glad MrBitter is physically alright Sucky situation, but I guess going alone and probably intoxicated to some extent isn't smart in such cities.
EDIT: And this:
On November 16 2012 18:21 hp.Shell wrote: I'm of the opinion that having a firearm would have only intensified the situation, which is something you definitely don't want in that situation.
The thugs will have firearms whether its legal or not and if youre convicted you can lose that right but that won't stop criminals from obtaining fire arms anyways the problem is though, if there is no right then the self respecting citizen will be the one defenseless. There are interviews of criminals admitting if they knew citizens were always carrying fire arms they would be less likely to commit any crime when they know anyone else around them is armed.
Thugs don't need a firearm if they know civilians don't. Say you're a thug and you know I don't have any firearm on me, why bring a gun (unless you actually want to kill someone or do a bank robbery, in which case, having firearms is useless anyway), just bring a knife instead, enough threat to make 90% of the population shit themselves, especially if you're with 2 or more guys, or greater numbers in general. Result is less 'accidental' murders for $2000 mugs like this one.
Why would a thug reduce his dominance potential over someone? He wouldn't. Criminals are criminals. We have gangs all over the US like MS13 that will kill people without a second thought. They're not going to go hmm only need a knife now because that person can only use a knife - no they're going to be like lulz I can completely have my way now because they will have a gun and a citizen won't.
On November 16 2012 18:43 kafkaesque wrote: How outlandish is the theory that he just had a really fun night in a brothel and now suffers from buyer's remorse?
Then why would he make up this story? He'd just keep his mouth shut if that were the case.
On November 16 2012 08:17 tuho12345 wrote: [quote] What? You care about $2k more than yourself? What if they break your arm or your leg. You wanna be disable for the rest of your life instead of losing $2000? How dumb is that?
If you pay me 2000$ you can break one Leg of me.
"Give us all your money or we'll break one of your legs!"
I don't think you understand the situation here. If they were to harm him, it would be MUCH worse than just one leg. It could have been his life. Can't do much with $2000 if you're dead can you?
I'm also pretty sure that if you have a broken leg there isn't much you can do to fight back, and they'll take your money anyway. So your options are to either give them what they want and hope they don't harm you, or they harm you and take what they want. Lesser of two evils.
You have seen too many movies lol! No gangster would kill a tourist because he doesn't give him money. In what world are you living. If you didn't know: murdering people is also illegal in china and if they get caught they don't want to get in jail forever because they murdered someone. These small pseudo-gangsters who mostly only try to steal from tourists are not these type of russian mafia guys who would kill someone.
how would you know for sure? you're life is on the line. and they dont necessarily have to get caught. Corruption in China might be big enough to hide it. Dunno if its smart to try to be a hero. I wouldnt gamble my life or my health for 2000$. Thats nothing. It doesnt take much time to earn 2000$
That's very terrifying actually. Reading that definitely gave me a good sense of the danger and what it would be like to be in a situation like that - how much could go wrong etc. I wanted to bring up another point though and even though Mr Bitter got out alive and well it could go wrong in many other variations just like you say - even if he didn't show any resistance something still could have gone wrong, with that said, we in the US should consider ourselves grateful to have the right to carry firearms, despite it having happend in china it can happend anywhere and even though some of you will look at this scenario and just say well just give them all your money, comply, dont risk it, and you should get out of the situation alive it may not work like that all the time and if you have nothing to defend yourself well you're SOL then.
Obviously this justifies everyone having firearms -.-
I can't see MrBitter's scenario happen anywhere in Western, Northern of South-Western Europe, unless you actually ask for shit like that to happen (go to 'ghetto-like' surroundings, making trouble, etc.). Hell, even in Middle-Europe should be fine. Whilst never been in the US, I'm betting the chance of this happening in big US cities are at least 3 times as much. Because if you have a firearm-right, so do the thugs.
Glad MrBitter is physically alright Sucky situation, but I guess going alone and probably intoxicated to some extent isn't smart in such cities.
EDIT: And this:
On November 16 2012 18:21 hp.Shell wrote: I'm of the opinion that having a firearm would have only intensified the situation, which is something you definitely don't want in that situation.
The thugs will have firearms whether its legal or not and if youre convicted you can lose that right but that won't stop criminals from obtaining fire arms anyways the problem is though, if there is no right then the self respecting citizen will be the one defenseless. There are interviews of criminals admitting if they knew citizens were always carrying fire arms they would be less likely to commit any crime when they know anyone else around them is armed.
Thugs don't need a firearm if they know civilians don't. Say you're a thug and you know I don't have any firearm on me, why bring a gun (unless you actually want to kill someone or do a bank robbery, in which case, having firearms is useless anyway), just bring a knife instead, enough threat to make 90% of the population shit themselves, especially if you're with 2 or more guys, or greater numbers in general. Result is less 'accidental' murders for $2000 mugs like this one.
Why would a thug reduce his dominance potential over someone? He wouldn't. Criminals are criminals.
Actually, they would. Criminals don't actually want people to get hurt either, they do have a brain you know. Here in the Netherlands, I rarely hear of people being mugged with a gun. Hell, even a knife is rare, just have 2-3 tall guys standing against you and you'll pay up anyway.
On November 16 2012 10:49 Slackzftw wrote: [quote]
If you pay me 2000$ you can break one Leg of me.
"Give us all your money or we'll break one of your legs!"
I don't think you understand the situation here. If they were to harm him, it would be MUCH worse than just one leg. It could have been his life. Can't do much with $2000 if you're dead can you?
I'm also pretty sure that if you have a broken leg there isn't much you can do to fight back, and they'll take your money anyway. So your options are to either give them what they want and hope they don't harm you, or they harm you and take what they want. Lesser of two evils.
You have seen too many movies lol! No gangster would kill a tourist because he doesn't give him money. In what world are you living. If you didn't know: murdering people is also illegal in china and if they get caught they don't want to get in jail forever because they murdered someone. These small pseudo-gangsters who mostly only try to steal from tourists are not these type of russian mafia guys who would kill someone.
how would you know for sure? you're life is on the line. and they dont necessarily have to get caught. Corruption in China might be big enough to hide it. Dunno if its smart to try to be a hero. I wouldnt gamble my life or my health for 2000$. Thats nothing. It doesnt take much time to earn 2000$
That's very terrifying actually. Reading that definitely gave me a good sense of the danger and what it would be like to be in a situation like that - how much could go wrong etc. I wanted to bring up another point though and even though Mr Bitter got out alive and well it could go wrong in many other variations just like you say - even if he didn't show any resistance something still could have gone wrong, with that said, we in the US should consider ourselves grateful to have the right to carry firearms, despite it having happend in china it can happend anywhere and even though some of you will look at this scenario and just say well just give them all your money, comply, dont risk it, and you should get out of the situation alive it may not work like that all the time and if you have nothing to defend yourself well you're SOL then.
Obviously this justifies everyone having firearms -.-
I can't see MrBitter's scenario happen anywhere in Western, Northern of South-Western Europe, unless you actually ask for shit like that to happen (go to 'ghetto-like' surroundings, making trouble, etc.). Hell, even in Middle-Europe should be fine. Whilst never been in the US, I'm betting the chance of this happening in big US cities are at least 3 times as much. Because if you have a firearm-right, so do the thugs.
Glad MrBitter is physically alright Sucky situation, but I guess going alone and probably intoxicated to some extent isn't smart in such cities.
EDIT: And this:
On November 16 2012 18:21 hp.Shell wrote: I'm of the opinion that having a firearm would have only intensified the situation, which is something you definitely don't want in that situation.
The thugs will have firearms whether its legal or not and if youre convicted you can lose that right but that won't stop criminals from obtaining fire arms anyways the problem is though, if there is no right then the self respecting citizen will be the one defenseless. There are interviews of criminals admitting if they knew citizens were always carrying fire arms they would be less likely to commit any crime when they know anyone else around them is armed.
Thugs don't need a firearm if they know civilians don't. Say you're a thug and you know I don't have any firearm on me, why bring a gun (unless you actually want to kill someone or do a bank robbery, in which case, having firearms is useless anyway), just bring a knife instead, enough threat to make 90% of the population shit themselves, especially if you're with 2 or more guys, or greater numbers in general. Result is less 'accidental' murders for $2000 mugs like this one.
Why would a thug reduce his dominance potential over someone? He wouldn't. Criminals are criminals.
Actually, they would. Criminals don't actually want people to get hurt either, they do have a brain you know. Here in the Netherlands, I rarely hear of people being mugged with a gun. Hell, even a knife is rare, just have 2-3 tall guys standing against you and you'll pay up anyway.
We have gangs all over the US like MS13 that will kill people without a second thought. They're not going to go hmm only need a knife now because that person can only use a knife - no they're going to be like lulz I can completely have my way now because they will have a gun and a citizen won't. Seriously go youtube and watch a documentary show called gangland and type in ms13
On November 16 2012 18:43 kafkaesque wrote: How outlandish is the theory that he just had a really fun night in a brothel and now suffers from buyer's remorse?
On November 16 2012 08:16 Slackzftw wrote: Why did he do that, just tell them you have no money or just do like you dont even speak english. "Mich nixe verstehen!" Worst thing would have been to get beat up, but I rather get beat up than lose 2000$.
What? You care about $2k more than yourself? What if they break your arm or your leg. You wanna be disable for the rest of your life instead of losing $2000? How dumb is that?
If you pay me 2000$ you can break one Leg of me.
"Give us all your money or we'll break one of your legs!"
I don't think you understand the situation here. If they were to harm him, it would be MUCH worse than just one leg. It could have been his life. Can't do much with $2000 if you're dead can you?
I'm also pretty sure that if you have a broken leg there isn't much you can do to fight back, and they'll take your money anyway. So your options are to either give them what they want and hope they don't harm you, or they harm you and take what they want. Lesser of two evils.
You have seen too many movies lol! No gangster would kill a tourist because he doesn't give him money. In what world are you living. If you didn't know: murdering people is also illegal in china and if they get caught they don't want to get in jail forever because they murdered someone. These small pseudo-gangsters who mostly only try to steal from tourists are not these type of russian mafia guys who would kill someone.
- You're in a foreign country and don't know where you are - You don't speak the language - You're in a dodgy area - You're outnumbered.
You have nothing going for you. You're scared and don't know what extent they will go to. My point was, whether they harm you or not they will still take your money. Why would they beat you up and then not take your money? That would just make it easier to take, so the best option in this scenario is to give them the money and pray to god they don't hurt you.
Yeah and every gangster in italy is in the Sicilian Mafia... did you play alot of Sleeping Dogs in the past month? :D
Oh I guess every gangster for pretend in Shanghai runs prostitution rackets.
"Give us all your money or we'll break one of your legs!"
I don't think you understand the situation here. If they were to harm him, it would be MUCH worse than just one leg. It could have been his life. Can't do much with $2000 if you're dead can you?
I'm also pretty sure that if you have a broken leg there isn't much you can do to fight back, and they'll take your money anyway. So your options are to either give them what they want and hope they don't harm you, or they harm you and take what they want. Lesser of two evils.
You have seen too many movies lol! No gangster would kill a tourist because he doesn't give him money. In what world are you living. If you didn't know: murdering people is also illegal in china and if they get caught they don't want to get in jail forever because they murdered someone. These small pseudo-gangsters who mostly only try to steal from tourists are not these type of russian mafia guys who would kill someone.
how would you know for sure? you're life is on the line. and they dont necessarily have to get caught. Corruption in China might be big enough to hide it. Dunno if its smart to try to be a hero. I wouldnt gamble my life or my health for 2000$. Thats nothing. It doesnt take much time to earn 2000$
That's very terrifying actually. Reading that definitely gave me a good sense of the danger and what it would be like to be in a situation like that - how much could go wrong etc. I wanted to bring up another point though and even though Mr Bitter got out alive and well it could go wrong in many other variations just like you say - even if he didn't show any resistance something still could have gone wrong, with that said, we in the US should consider ourselves grateful to have the right to carry firearms, despite it having happend in china it can happend anywhere and even though some of you will look at this scenario and just say well just give them all your money, comply, dont risk it, and you should get out of the situation alive it may not work like that all the time and if you have nothing to defend yourself well you're SOL then.
Obviously this justifies everyone having firearms -.-
I can't see MrBitter's scenario happen anywhere in Western, Northern of South-Western Europe, unless you actually ask for shit like that to happen (go to 'ghetto-like' surroundings, making trouble, etc.). Hell, even in Middle-Europe should be fine. Whilst never been in the US, I'm betting the chance of this happening in big US cities are at least 3 times as much. Because if you have a firearm-right, so do the thugs.
Glad MrBitter is physically alright Sucky situation, but I guess going alone and probably intoxicated to some extent isn't smart in such cities.
EDIT: And this:
On November 16 2012 18:21 hp.Shell wrote: I'm of the opinion that having a firearm would have only intensified the situation, which is something you definitely don't want in that situation.
The thugs will have firearms whether its legal or not and if youre convicted you can lose that right but that won't stop criminals from obtaining fire arms anyways the problem is though, if there is no right then the self respecting citizen will be the one defenseless. There are interviews of criminals admitting if they knew citizens were always carrying fire arms they would be less likely to commit any crime when they know anyone else around them is armed.
Thugs don't need a firearm if they know civilians don't. Say you're a thug and you know I don't have any firearm on me, why bring a gun (unless you actually want to kill someone or do a bank robbery, in which case, having firearms is useless anyway), just bring a knife instead, enough threat to make 90% of the population shit themselves, especially if you're with 2 or more guys, or greater numbers in general. Result is less 'accidental' murders for $2000 mugs like this one.
Why would a thug reduce his dominance potential over someone? He wouldn't. Criminals are criminals.
Actually, they would. Criminals don't actually want people to get hurt either, they do have a brain you know. Here in the Netherlands, I rarely hear of people being mugged with a gun. Hell, even a knife is rare, just have 2-3 tall guys standing against you and you'll pay up anyway.
We have gangs all over the US like MS13 that will kill people without a second thought. They're not going to go hmm only need a knife now because that person can only use a knife - no they're going to be like lulz I can completely have my way now because they will have a gun and a citizen won't. Seriously go youtube and watch a documentary show called gangland and type in ms13
Glad your okey Ben. Always terrifying to get robbed Was robbed in Beijing once Was about 3000$ I got mugged for, so basically my vacation was over.
I wasn't mugged like you tho ! Atleast you got to see pictures of some naked chicks! I was just threatened with a knife at an ATM by 2 homeless dudes or something
On November 16 2012 18:43 kafkaesque wrote: How outlandish is the theory that he just had a really fun night in a brothel and now suffers from buyer's remorse?
Then why would he make up this story? He'd just keep his mouth shut if that were the case.
People need to stop projecting.
$2000 at a brothel in china, that is alot of girls hahaha
On November 16 2012 08:17 tuho12345 wrote: [quote] What? You care about $2k more than yourself? What if they break your arm or your leg. You wanna be disable for the rest of your life instead of losing $2000? How dumb is that?
If you pay me 2000$ you can break one Leg of me.
"Give us all your money or we'll break one of your legs!"
I don't think you understand the situation here. If they were to harm him, it would be MUCH worse than just one leg. It could have been his life. Can't do much with $2000 if you're dead can you?
I'm also pretty sure that if you have a broken leg there isn't much you can do to fight back, and they'll take your money anyway. So your options are to either give them what they want and hope they don't harm you, or they harm you and take what they want. Lesser of two evils.
You have seen too many movies lol! No gangster would kill a tourist because he doesn't give him money. In what world are you living. If you didn't know: murdering people is also illegal in china and if they get caught they don't want to get in jail forever because they murdered someone. These small pseudo-gangsters who mostly only try to steal from tourists are not these type of russian mafia guys who would kill someone.
how would you know for sure? you're life is on the line. and they dont necessarily have to get caught. Corruption in China might be big enough to hide it. Dunno if its smart to try to be a hero. I wouldnt gamble my life or my health for 2000$. Thats nothing. It doesnt take much time to earn 2000$
That's very terrifying actually. Reading that definitely gave me a good sense of the danger and what it would be like to be in a situation like that - how much could go wrong etc. I wanted to bring up another point though and even though Mr Bitter got out alive and well it could go wrong in many other variations just like you say - even if he didn't show any resistance something still could have gone wrong, with that said, we in the US should consider ourselves grateful to have the right to carry firearms, despite it having happend in china it can happend anywhere and even though some of you will look at this scenario and just say well just give them all your money, comply, dont risk it, and you should get out of the situation alive it may not work like that all the time and if you have nothing to defend yourself well you're SOL then.
Obviously this justifies everyone having firearms -.-
I can't see MrBitter's scenario happen anywhere in Western, Northern of South-Western Europe, unless you actually ask for shit like that to happen (go to 'ghetto-like' surroundings, making trouble, etc.). Hell, even in Middle-Europe should be fine. Whilst never been in the US, I'm betting the chance of this happening in big US cities are at least 3 times as much. Because if you have a firearm-right, so do the thugs.
Glad MrBitter is physically alright Sucky situation, but I guess going alone and probably intoxicated to some extent isn't smart in such cities.
EDIT: And this:
On November 16 2012 18:21 hp.Shell wrote: I'm of the opinion that having a firearm would have only intensified the situation, which is something you definitely don't want in that situation.
The thugs will have firearms whether its legal or not and if youre convicted you can lose that right but that won't stop criminals from obtaining fire arms anyways the problem is though, if there is no right then the self respecting citizen will be the one defenseless. There are interviews of criminals admitting if they knew citizens were always carrying fire arms they would be less likely to commit any crime when they know anyone else around them is armed.
Thugs don't need a firearm if they know civilians don't. Say you're a thug and you know I don't have any firearm on me, why bring a gun (unless you actually want to kill someone or do a bank robbery, in which case, having firearms is useless anyway), just bring a knife instead, enough threat to make 90% of the population shit themselves, especially if you're with 2 or more guys, or greater numbers in general. Result is less 'accidental' murders for $2000 mugs like this one.
Why would a thug reduce his dominance potential over someone? He wouldn't. Criminals are criminals. We have gangs all over the US like MS13 that will kill people without a second thought. They're not going to go hmm only need a knife now because that person can only use a knife - no they're going to be like lulz I can completely have my way now because they will have a gun and a citizen won't.
This thread is about one specific mugging of a tourist in china. How could mr bitter have gotten ahold of a gun, and why should he have used it, he would surely be dead...
On November 16 2012 10:49 Slackzftw wrote: [quote]
If you pay me 2000$ you can break one Leg of me.
"Give us all your money or we'll break one of your legs!"
I don't think you understand the situation here. If they were to harm him, it would be MUCH worse than just one leg. It could have been his life. Can't do much with $2000 if you're dead can you?
I'm also pretty sure that if you have a broken leg there isn't much you can do to fight back, and they'll take your money anyway. So your options are to either give them what they want and hope they don't harm you, or they harm you and take what they want. Lesser of two evils.
You have seen too many movies lol! No gangster would kill a tourist because he doesn't give him money. In what world are you living. If you didn't know: murdering people is also illegal in china and if they get caught they don't want to get in jail forever because they murdered someone. These small pseudo-gangsters who mostly only try to steal from tourists are not these type of russian mafia guys who would kill someone.
how would you know for sure? you're life is on the line. and they dont necessarily have to get caught. Corruption in China might be big enough to hide it. Dunno if its smart to try to be a hero. I wouldnt gamble my life or my health for 2000$. Thats nothing. It doesnt take much time to earn 2000$
That's very terrifying actually. Reading that definitely gave me a good sense of the danger and what it would be like to be in a situation like that - how much could go wrong etc. I wanted to bring up another point though and even though Mr Bitter got out alive and well it could go wrong in many other variations just like you say - even if he didn't show any resistance something still could have gone wrong, with that said, we in the US should consider ourselves grateful to have the right to carry firearms, despite it having happend in china it can happend anywhere and even though some of you will look at this scenario and just say well just give them all your money, comply, dont risk it, and you should get out of the situation alive it may not work like that all the time and if you have nothing to defend yourself well you're SOL then.
Obviously this justifies everyone having firearms -.-
I can't see MrBitter's scenario happen anywhere in Western, Northern of South-Western Europe, unless you actually ask for shit like that to happen (go to 'ghetto-like' surroundings, making trouble, etc.). Hell, even in Middle-Europe should be fine. Whilst never been in the US, I'm betting the chance of this happening in big US cities are at least 3 times as much. Because if you have a firearm-right, so do the thugs.
Glad MrBitter is physically alright Sucky situation, but I guess going alone and probably intoxicated to some extent isn't smart in such cities.
EDIT: And this:
On November 16 2012 18:21 hp.Shell wrote: I'm of the opinion that having a firearm would have only intensified the situation, which is something you definitely don't want in that situation.
The thugs will have firearms whether its legal or not and if youre convicted you can lose that right but that won't stop criminals from obtaining fire arms anyways the problem is though, if there is no right then the self respecting citizen will be the one defenseless. There are interviews of criminals admitting if they knew citizens were always carrying fire arms they would be less likely to commit any crime when they know anyone else around them is armed.
Thugs don't need a firearm if they know civilians don't. Say you're a thug and you know I don't have any firearm on me, why bring a gun (unless you actually want to kill someone or do a bank robbery, in which case, having firearms is useless anyway), just bring a knife instead, enough threat to make 90% of the population shit themselves, especially if you're with 2 or more guys, or greater numbers in general. Result is less 'accidental' murders for $2000 mugs like this one.
Why would a thug reduce his dominance potential over someone? He wouldn't. Criminals are criminals. We have gangs all over the US like MS13 that will kill people without a second thought. They're not going to go hmm only need a knife now because that person can only use a knife - no they're going to be like lulz I can completely have my way now because they will have a gun and a citizen won't.
This thread is about one specific mugging of a tourist in china. How could mr bitter have gotten ahold of a gun, and why should he have used it, he would surely be dead...
Watch the video above and you'll get a better picture of what criminals can do.
On November 16 2012 12:11 Slackzftw wrote: [quote]
You have seen too many movies lol! No gangster would kill a tourist because he doesn't give him money. In what world are you living. If you didn't know: murdering people is also illegal in china and if they get caught they don't want to get in jail forever because they murdered someone. These small pseudo-gangsters who mostly only try to steal from tourists are not these type of russian mafia guys who would kill someone.
how would you know for sure? you're life is on the line. and they dont necessarily have to get caught. Corruption in China might be big enough to hide it. Dunno if its smart to try to be a hero. I wouldnt gamble my life or my health for 2000$. Thats nothing. It doesnt take much time to earn 2000$
That's very terrifying actually. Reading that definitely gave me a good sense of the danger and what it would be like to be in a situation like that - how much could go wrong etc. I wanted to bring up another point though and even though Mr Bitter got out alive and well it could go wrong in many other variations just like you say - even if he didn't show any resistance something still could have gone wrong, with that said, we in the US should consider ourselves grateful to have the right to carry firearms, despite it having happend in china it can happend anywhere and even though some of you will look at this scenario and just say well just give them all your money, comply, dont risk it, and you should get out of the situation alive it may not work like that all the time and if you have nothing to defend yourself well you're SOL then.
Obviously this justifies everyone having firearms -.-
I can't see MrBitter's scenario happen anywhere in Western, Northern of South-Western Europe, unless you actually ask for shit like that to happen (go to 'ghetto-like' surroundings, making trouble, etc.). Hell, even in Middle-Europe should be fine. Whilst never been in the US, I'm betting the chance of this happening in big US cities are at least 3 times as much. Because if you have a firearm-right, so do the thugs.
Glad MrBitter is physically alright Sucky situation, but I guess going alone and probably intoxicated to some extent isn't smart in such cities.
EDIT: And this:
On November 16 2012 18:21 hp.Shell wrote: I'm of the opinion that having a firearm would have only intensified the situation, which is something you definitely don't want in that situation.
The thugs will have firearms whether its legal or not and if youre convicted you can lose that right but that won't stop criminals from obtaining fire arms anyways the problem is though, if there is no right then the self respecting citizen will be the one defenseless. There are interviews of criminals admitting if they knew citizens were always carrying fire arms they would be less likely to commit any crime when they know anyone else around them is armed.
Thugs don't need a firearm if they know civilians don't. Say you're a thug and you know I don't have any firearm on me, why bring a gun (unless you actually want to kill someone or do a bank robbery, in which case, having firearms is useless anyway), just bring a knife instead, enough threat to make 90% of the population shit themselves, especially if you're with 2 or more guys, or greater numbers in general. Result is less 'accidental' murders for $2000 mugs like this one.
Why would a thug reduce his dominance potential over someone? He wouldn't. Criminals are criminals.
Actually, they would. Criminals don't actually want people to get hurt either, they do have a brain you know. Here in the Netherlands, I rarely hear of people being mugged with a gun. Hell, even a knife is rare, just have 2-3 tall guys standing against you and you'll pay up anyway.
We have gangs all over the US like MS13 that will kill people without a second thought. They're not going to go hmm only need a knife now because that person can only use a knife - no they're going to be like lulz I can completely have my way now because they will have a gun and a citizen won't. Seriously go youtube and watch a documentary show called gangland and type in ms13
Lol, that actually proves my point. Let's say this: I couldn't find any useable statistics about armed robberies, but I guess the trend should be around the same:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2012/jul/22/gun-homicides-ownership-world-list Switzerland is up there, because people are required to have a gun at home (as they're part of the Militia). Italy, United states have around 60% of homicides by gun. But most European countries have <40%. The real deal is looking at #homicides by firearm per 100.000 people. US: 2.97. Some European countries at 0.77, but most at <0.45. And most of these countries have over 50% less guns/person than the US has.
One out of every three Americans knows someone who has been shot, I doubt I know anyone who has ever been shot. ( http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/27/time-to-face-facts-on-gun-control/ ) In fact, the last global Small Arms Survey showed there are 88 guns for every 100 Americans. Yemen is second at 54. Serbia and Iraq are among the other countries in the top 10.
You really want to compare yourself to those countries?
I guess Ice-T can explain it the best for you, the problem with Americans is that they're stuck:
Almost exactly the same thing happened to me in Windhoek, capital of Namibia. The timing was terrible, I had over 10000$ in the bank at the time after 6 months working nights in a storage facility. I just kept insisting I didn't have the pin code even though they beat me, because there was no fucking way I was losing 10k, so they ended up taking my cash (a measly ~40$) and dumping me in the street. Still to this day I don't know why they didn't pull a weapon of some kind, maybe they hadn't done it before or whatever. It's terrible to have something like this happen, but you learn a lot from it...only carry cash, always stay with a group, and take a taxi home together, put a daily limit on ALL YOUR CARDS (like 500$ for me), and use your brain.
EPT
Was robbed in Beijing once 
Sucky situation, but I guess going alone and probably intoxicated to some extent isn't smart in such cities.
