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On November 16 2012 17:24 mrbitterloveswhores wrote: i cant beleive he posted this and thought we wouldnt make the connection LOL. goes to whorehouse, gets robbed ahahhha what a stupid fuck.
i cant believe you posted this... makes stupid account on TL.. gets banned... still a loser ahaha stupid kid
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i was mugged once and i dont know if this is common but i wasnt nervous at all. i dont know if its because im damaged from all the movies but it felt like to me just people standing in front of me asking about my money. in the end afterwards i was glad nothing happened.
if scary or not im so glad he is ok. one guy i know, not a friend just saw him once, got mugged in a hotel room in thailand last week and died cause they druged him beforehand and apperantly to much.
this shit happens all the time. just comply and give your money even all the millions you own cause this green paper is not worth your life or your pride or your fighting skills you might have if they shoot you, your done.
sidenote: this can happen everywhere not just in asia you folks lol!!
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Actually I am quite speechless - glad you are okay. This sounded like hell of a scary situation because you never know what these guys might have been up to other than being after your money. Sucks to lose the money in the first step though - let's hope you get it all back.
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MrBitter, first of all you are a lucky person. You didn't get harmed physically at all. Money is just money and can be replaced sooner or later, but you only have one body.
It must have been a very very scary situation. I think you reacted correctly. Stay calm, give them what they want and hope for the best. Any kind of resistance would have made the whole situation worse.
The only thing I don't understand: why didn't you contact the police? I understand that you didn't know where you were and who they were, but I still would have contacted the police - worst case they could tell you: we can't do anything.
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I tried to comment for 10 minutes now and ended up every single time with making horrible jokes around the incident XD ____________
glad to have him back.
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On November 16 2012 18:00 SamsLiST wrote: I tried to comment for 10 minutes now and ended up every single time with making horrible jokes around the incident XD ____________
glad to have him back. I'm having the same problem.. it's like those asian gangster movies.
Glad he's okay though.
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On November 16 2012 12:21 SpikeStarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 12:11 Slackzftw wrote:On November 16 2012 11:13 zarzobnz wrote:On November 16 2012 10:49 Slackzftw wrote:On November 16 2012 08:17 tuho12345 wrote:On November 16 2012 08:16 Slackzftw wrote: Why did he do that, just tell them you have no money or just do like you dont even speak english. "Mich nixe verstehen!" Worst thing would have been to get beat up, but I rather get beat up than lose 2000$. What? You care about $2k more than yourself? What if they break your arm or your leg. You wanna be disable for the rest of your life instead of losing $2000? How dumb is that? If you pay me 2000$ you can break one Leg of me. "Give us all your money or we'll break one of your legs!" I don't think you understand the situation here. If they were to harm him, it would be MUCH worse than just one leg. It could have been his life. Can't do much with $2000 if you're dead can you? I'm also pretty sure that if you have a broken leg there isn't much you can do to fight back, and they'll take your money anyway. So your options are to either give them what they want and hope they don't harm you, or they harm you and take what they want. Lesser of two evils. You have seen too many movies lol! No gangster would kill a tourist because he doesn't give him money. In what world are you living. If you didn't know: murdering people is also illegal in china and if they get caught they don't want to get in jail forever because they murdered someone. These small pseudo-gangsters who mostly only try to steal from tourists are not these type of russian mafia guys who would kill someone. how would you know for sure? you're life is on the line. and they dont necessarily have to get caught. Corruption in China might be big enough to hide it. Dunno if its smart to try to be a hero. I wouldnt gamble my life or my health for 2000$. Thats nothing. It doesnt take much time to earn 2000$
That's very terrifying actually. Reading that definitely gave me a good sense of the danger and what it would be like to be in a situation like that - how much could go wrong etc. I wanted to bring up another point though and even though Mr Bitter got out alive and well it could go wrong in many other variations just like you say - even if he didn't show any resistance something still could have gone wrong, with that said, we in the US should consider ourselves grateful to have the right to carry firearms, despite it having happend in china it can happend anywhere and even though some of you will look at this scenario and just say well just give them all your money, comply, dont risk it, and you should get out of the situation alive it may not work like that all the time and if you have nothing to defend yourself well you're SOL then.
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I'm of the opinion that having a firearm would have only intensified the situation, which is something you definitely don't want in that situation.
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On November 16 2012 18:13 LeGeNDz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 12:21 SpikeStarcraft wrote:On November 16 2012 12:11 Slackzftw wrote:On November 16 2012 11:13 zarzobnz wrote:On November 16 2012 10:49 Slackzftw wrote:On November 16 2012 08:17 tuho12345 wrote:On November 16 2012 08:16 Slackzftw wrote: Why did he do that, just tell them you have no money or just do like you dont even speak english. "Mich nixe verstehen!" Worst thing would have been to get beat up, but I rather get beat up than lose 2000$. What? You care about $2k more than yourself? What if they break your arm or your leg. You wanna be disable for the rest of your life instead of losing $2000? How dumb is that? If you pay me 2000$ you can break one Leg of me. "Give us all your money or we'll break one of your legs!" I don't think you understand the situation here. If they were to harm him, it would be MUCH worse than just one leg. It could have been his life. Can't do much with $2000 if you're dead can you? I'm also pretty sure that if you have a broken leg there isn't much you can do to fight back, and they'll take your money anyway. So your options are to either give them what they want and hope they don't harm you, or they harm you and take what they want. Lesser of two evils. You have seen too many movies lol! No gangster would kill a tourist because he doesn't give him money. In what world are you living. If you didn't know: murdering people is also illegal in china and if they get caught they don't want to get in jail forever because they murdered someone. These small pseudo-gangsters who mostly only try to steal from tourists are not these type of russian mafia guys who would kill someone. how would you know for sure? you're life is on the line. and they dont necessarily have to get caught. Corruption in China might be big enough to hide it. Dunno if its smart to try to be a hero. I wouldnt gamble my life or my health for 2000$. Thats nothing. It doesnt take much time to earn 2000$ That's very terrifying actually. Reading that definitely gave me a good sense of the danger and what it would be like to be in a situation like that - how much could go wrong etc. I wanted to bring up another point though and even though Mr Bitter got out alive and well it could go wrong in many other variations just like you say - even if he didn't show any resistance something still could have gone wrong, with that said, we in the US should consider ourselves grateful to have the right to carry firearms, despite it having happend in china it can happend anywhere and even though some of you will look at this scenario and just say well just give them all your money, comply, dont risk it, and you should get out of the situation alive it may not work like that all the time and if you have nothing to defend yourself well you're SOL then. Obviously this justifies everyone having firearms -.-
I can't see MrBitter's scenario happen anywhere in Western, Northern of South-Western Europe, unless you actually ask for shit like that to happen (go to 'ghetto-like' surroundings, making trouble, etc.). Hell, even in Middle-Europe should be fine. Whilst never been in the US, I'm betting the chance of this happening in big US cities are at least 3 times as much. Because if you have a firearm-right, so do the thugs.
Glad MrBitter is physically alright Sucky situation, but I guess going alone and probably intoxicated to some extent isn't smart in such cities.
EDIT: And this:
On November 16 2012 18:21 hp.Shell wrote: I'm of the opinion that having a firearm would have only intensified the situation, which is something you definitely don't want in that situation.
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Gun control argument starting in 3..2..1..
In all seriousness though, I'm glad MrBitter is physically okay
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This actually happens all the time in China, and it happened to a few friends of mine in the past. Also, it has nothing to do with being alone at night, my friends were 3 when it happened to them, and it was in the afternoon. They just walked in a small cafe in town, and the guys wouldnt let them out if they didnt pay 700 kuai each. The exact same thing that happened to Mr Bitter almost happened to me, but I could speak enough chinese to tell the taxi driver to get the other guy out of the care or I would call the police. tl;dr: it's not really his fault as it can happen anytime anywhere in China, as long as you dont speak the language you're fucked
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I'm sorry about Bitter's misfortune but literally this story is so classic Chinese gangster that I was giggling. I'm glad it went alright for Bitter, sometimes its best to give that bad guys what they want they risk being in danger.
This is why when you go to foreign countries you only bring credit card, because credit cards are more lenient on these matters.
If I was in this situation and some dude got in my taxi randomly I would be so fucking pissed I would yell at the taxi driver and if nothing happens shit will go down.
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This is a fate I would not even wish on my least favorite caster (which is not MrBitter).
Man that really sucks... At least you got a nice story to tell.
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On November 16 2012 18:22 Giku wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 18:13 LeGeNDz wrote:On November 16 2012 12:21 SpikeStarcraft wrote:On November 16 2012 12:11 Slackzftw wrote:On November 16 2012 11:13 zarzobnz wrote:On November 16 2012 10:49 Slackzftw wrote:On November 16 2012 08:17 tuho12345 wrote:On November 16 2012 08:16 Slackzftw wrote: Why did he do that, just tell them you have no money or just do like you dont even speak english. "Mich nixe verstehen!" Worst thing would have been to get beat up, but I rather get beat up than lose 2000$. What? You care about $2k more than yourself? What if they break your arm or your leg. You wanna be disable for the rest of your life instead of losing $2000? How dumb is that? If you pay me 2000$ you can break one Leg of me. "Give us all your money or we'll break one of your legs!" I don't think you understand the situation here. If they were to harm him, it would be MUCH worse than just one leg. It could have been his life. Can't do much with $2000 if you're dead can you? I'm also pretty sure that if you have a broken leg there isn't much you can do to fight back, and they'll take your money anyway. So your options are to either give them what they want and hope they don't harm you, or they harm you and take what they want. Lesser of two evils. You have seen too many movies lol! No gangster would kill a tourist because he doesn't give him money. In what world are you living. If you didn't know: murdering people is also illegal in china and if they get caught they don't want to get in jail forever because they murdered someone. These small pseudo-gangsters who mostly only try to steal from tourists are not these type of russian mafia guys who would kill someone. how would you know for sure? you're life is on the line. and they dont necessarily have to get caught. Corruption in China might be big enough to hide it. Dunno if its smart to try to be a hero. I wouldnt gamble my life or my health for 2000$. Thats nothing. It doesnt take much time to earn 2000$ That's very terrifying actually. Reading that definitely gave me a good sense of the danger and what it would be like to be in a situation like that - how much could go wrong etc. I wanted to bring up another point though and even though Mr Bitter got out alive and well it could go wrong in many other variations just like you say - even if he didn't show any resistance something still could have gone wrong, with that said, we in the US should consider ourselves grateful to have the right to carry firearms, despite it having happend in china it can happend anywhere and even though some of you will look at this scenario and just say well just give them all your money, comply, dont risk it, and you should get out of the situation alive it may not work like that all the time and if you have nothing to defend yourself well you're SOL then. Obviously this justifies everyone having firearms -.- I can't see MrBitter's scenario happen anywhere in Western, Northern of South-Western Europe, unless you actually ask for shit like that to happen (go to 'ghetto-like' surroundings, making trouble, etc.). Hell, even in Middle-Europe should be fine. Whilst never been in the US, I'm betting the chance of this happening in big US cities are at least 3 times as much. Because if you have a firearm-right, so do the thugs. Glad MrBitter is physically alright  Sucky situation, but I guess going alone and probably intoxicated to some extent isn't smart in such cities. EDIT: And this: Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 18:21 hp.Shell wrote: I'm of the opinion that having a firearm would have only intensified the situation, which is something you definitely don't want in that situation.
The thugs will have firearms whether its legal or not and if youre convicted you can lose that right but that won't stop criminals from obtaining fire arms anyways the problem is though, if there is no right then the self respecting citizen will be the one defenseless. There are interviews of criminals admitting if they knew citizens were always carrying fire arms they would be less likely to commit any crime when they know anyone else around them is armed.
In Mr Bitters situation yes it would have intensified the situation but that is only because we know the outcome - what if the worst case scenario did happend then we would be saying well its too bad he wasnt armed
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Glad Bitter's okay. When I got mugged in Amsterdam it was less pretty :/
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On November 16 2012 18:31 LeGeNDz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 18:22 Giku wrote:On November 16 2012 18:13 LeGeNDz wrote:On November 16 2012 12:21 SpikeStarcraft wrote:On November 16 2012 12:11 Slackzftw wrote:On November 16 2012 11:13 zarzobnz wrote:On November 16 2012 10:49 Slackzftw wrote:On November 16 2012 08:17 tuho12345 wrote:On November 16 2012 08:16 Slackzftw wrote: Why did he do that, just tell them you have no money or just do like you dont even speak english. "Mich nixe verstehen!" Worst thing would have been to get beat up, but I rather get beat up than lose 2000$. What? You care about $2k more than yourself? What if they break your arm or your leg. You wanna be disable for the rest of your life instead of losing $2000? How dumb is that? If you pay me 2000$ you can break one Leg of me. "Give us all your money or we'll break one of your legs!" I don't think you understand the situation here. If they were to harm him, it would be MUCH worse than just one leg. It could have been his life. Can't do much with $2000 if you're dead can you? I'm also pretty sure that if you have a broken leg there isn't much you can do to fight back, and they'll take your money anyway. So your options are to either give them what they want and hope they don't harm you, or they harm you and take what they want. Lesser of two evils. You have seen too many movies lol! No gangster would kill a tourist because he doesn't give him money. In what world are you living. If you didn't know: murdering people is also illegal in china and if they get caught they don't want to get in jail forever because they murdered someone. These small pseudo-gangsters who mostly only try to steal from tourists are not these type of russian mafia guys who would kill someone. how would you know for sure? you're life is on the line. and they dont necessarily have to get caught. Corruption in China might be big enough to hide it. Dunno if its smart to try to be a hero. I wouldnt gamble my life or my health for 2000$. Thats nothing. It doesnt take much time to earn 2000$ That's very terrifying actually. Reading that definitely gave me a good sense of the danger and what it would be like to be in a situation like that - how much could go wrong etc. I wanted to bring up another point though and even though Mr Bitter got out alive and well it could go wrong in many other variations just like you say - even if he didn't show any resistance something still could have gone wrong, with that said, we in the US should consider ourselves grateful to have the right to carry firearms, despite it having happend in china it can happend anywhere and even though some of you will look at this scenario and just say well just give them all your money, comply, dont risk it, and you should get out of the situation alive it may not work like that all the time and if you have nothing to defend yourself well you're SOL then. Obviously this justifies everyone having firearms -.- I can't see MrBitter's scenario happen anywhere in Western, Northern of South-Western Europe, unless you actually ask for shit like that to happen (go to 'ghetto-like' surroundings, making trouble, etc.). Hell, even in Middle-Europe should be fine. Whilst never been in the US, I'm betting the chance of this happening in big US cities are at least 3 times as much. Because if you have a firearm-right, so do the thugs. Glad MrBitter is physically alright  Sucky situation, but I guess going alone and probably intoxicated to some extent isn't smart in such cities. EDIT: And this: On November 16 2012 18:21 hp.Shell wrote: I'm of the opinion that having a firearm would have only intensified the situation, which is something you definitely don't want in that situation. The thugs will have firearms whether its legal or not and if youre convicted you can lose that right but that won't stop criminals from obtaining fire arms anyways the problem is though, if there is no right then the self respecting citizen will be the one defenseless. There are interviews of criminals admitting if they knew citizens were always carrying fire arms they would be less likely to commit any crime when they know anyone else around them is armed. Thugs don't need a firearm if they know civilians don't. Say you're a thug and you know I don't have any firearm on me, why bring a gun (unless you actually want to kill someone or do a bank robbery, in which case, having firearms is useless anyway), just bring a knife instead, enough threat to make 90% of the population shit themselves, especially if you're with 2 or more guys, or greater numbers in general. Result is less 'accidental' murders for $2000 mugs like this one.
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You need to know people to get stuff done in China. I'm sure the Blizz people have more contacts than most, so here's to hoping I suppose.
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happy to be in guangzhou! if youre smart about where you're walking and just dont trust random dudes youre fine.
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Feel sorry for you Bitter.
As for your mistake, I don't think being alone in Shanghai is, I've done that quite a few times and my understanding of Chinese Mandarin is not good enough when it comes to Shanghai's accent. I'd say your mistake was to allow someone to talk to your cab driver (as you said), allowing your cab driver to leave the main streets of Shanghai (I guess your hotel is in the center) and above all NEVER follow the guy, offer him a 100RMB tip to get back in his cab and drive you to the hotel, should work. Feel sorry for you anyway and I hope it won't prevent you from trying to enjoy this amazing city! Good luck in your cast
Cheers
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never go alone, especially if you are a non asian foreigner in China! that's what my friends said about travelling in China!
Glad that MrBitter is pretty much fine!
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