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droken
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden126 Posts
November 16 2012 14:30 GMT
#381
Bitter, I thought your parents told you never to get into cars with strangers

On a more serious note, I'm glad you're okay! Now you have to cast more to make up for the lost money...
Remember KT.Violet 23/08/12
Cosmos
Profile Joined March 2010
Belgium1077 Posts
November 16 2012 14:31 GMT
#382
On November 16 2012 06:13 Tsuki.eu wrote:
Why do we care about that?



I aggree so much with you, it doesn't deserve a thread at all. Could be in blog section if he REALLY wants people to know about that.
http://www.twitch.tv/becosmos
shepherdxoxo
Profile Joined July 2012
Netherlands260 Posts
November 16 2012 14:34 GMT
#383
Just do it like me and give the cabdriver while entering his cab 100 euros and say ITS FINE GO HOTEL and puke four times on my way home (asking him to stop so i could barf hahaha)

ul mr bitter
Rain <3
Vandrad
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany951 Posts
November 16 2012 14:35 GMT
#384
GTA V: Shanghai
And who are you, the proud lord said, that I must bow so low?
padfoota
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Taiwan1571 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-16 14:50:06
November 16 2012 14:45 GMT
#385
How come this whole thing just feels so classy?
Wtf?

On another point of view, he probably couldnt have gotten out the cab, shanghai cab doors are only accessible on the right side.

If Mr. Bitter was sitting at the front, and the guy got in the back, or Mr. Bitter at the back and the guy got in the front, it wouldve been ok to get out.

Now, if Mr. Bitter gets in the back and the dude comes in, whole different story.
Stop procrastinating
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
November 16 2012 14:48 GMT
#386
I do not think he will get his money back. How can he prove to his financial institution that he did not make those withdrawals himself?

Nonetheless, I'm glad he wasn't hurt!
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
November 16 2012 14:52 GMT
#387
i loled at the idea people actually think these punks will hurt a foreigner for a couple thousand dollars. id be much for scared if i was getting mugged in the ghetto cuz the chances of getting hurt is much much higher.
LeLfe
Profile Joined February 2011
France3160 Posts
November 16 2012 14:54 GMT
#388
On November 16 2012 23:45 padfoota wrote:
How come this whole thing just feels so classy?
Wtf?

On another point of view, he probably couldnt have gotten out the cab, shanghai cab doors are only accessible on the right side.

If Mr. Bitter was sitting at the front, and the guy got in the back, or Mr. Bitter at the back and the guy got in the front, it wouldve been ok to get out.

Now, if Mr. Bitter gets in the back and the dude comes in, whole different story.

When living in China you sit next to the driver when on your own, not sure if Ben sat in the front... but anyway as I said you just have to forbid the cabdriver to drive away from the main axes of traffic
Writer for Red bull (Fr) and Iron Squid (En/Fr) @ClemLeLfe on twitter
chosenkerrigan
Profile Joined May 2011
858 Posts
November 16 2012 14:56 GMT
#389
On November 16 2012 21:43 Inzan1ty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 21:33 Dreamer.T wrote:
On November 16 2012 21:30 Inzan1ty wrote:
China (the majority) is still very poor

you should expect the unexpected, aka better treat it like a 3rd world countty (it isnt, but it might be in terms of criminal activities)

However you are rather safe in Japan and South Korea.


What a ridiculous statement. SK and Japan have just as shady locations as the one Mr. Bitter was in. It can happen in any country.


while I do agree each city has its "dark corners", one can not deny the high difference regarding minimum/average salary between china and its "blessed" neighbours japan/s.korea, which affects the psychology of each and every of their citizen and their potential getting involved into criminal activities.

you should read up on employers for Apple or any other major company in China, the desperation of just getting their families fed is quite 3rd world level there.


China does have a very low average income, but most of the people in cities like Shanghai are middle class, who live on pretty decent income and the criminal rate is extremely low. From my personal experience, I feel more dangerous walking at night in Chicago/New York comparing to Shanghai/Beijing.
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
November 16 2012 15:02 GMT
#390
On November 16 2012 23:48 trinxified wrote:
I do not think he will get his money back. How can he prove to his financial institution that he did not make those withdrawals himself?

Nonetheless, I'm glad he wasn't hurt!


It's fairly easy actually. It's not withdrawal, it's transfer. And it's it's easy to trace where the money went.
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
coloursheep
Profile Joined May 2011
China497 Posts
November 16 2012 15:10 GMT
#391
On November 16 2012 22:13 Enders116 wrote:
I'm sorry to see this had happened to mr bitter. If I was there, this wouldn't have happened.

I speak Chinese, I'm a foreigner and I could have helped him get home safely.

"Shanghai. Heaven built on Hell." -Mu Shiying

EDIT: I nominate that next year's wcs world championships be held in Taipei. I've walked out of many a bar and night club there wasted and never bad to worry about this sort of thing happening.


Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 21:41 Uni1987 wrote:
So much assholes here jesus. How is it your own fault getting robbed. Those fucking retards deserve to die. Lets rob someone instead of making a decent living like a normal human being.

Good luck bitter

I agree with this statement. What many of you don't realize is that day9, mr bitter, and all of the other casting figures in at wcs right now are world renowned and you can't expect someone to know all of the languages and customs (both good and bad)of every single country that they go to.


I don't know what country has the custom of letting someone you don't know into your cab and tell the driver where to take you. Mr Bitter admitted that he should have got out of the cab, anything that happened after that was a result of him not doing that. the entire situation would not have happened if he just got out of the cab.
allen_ami
Profile Joined December 2010
China1392 Posts
November 16 2012 15:15 GMT
#392
you sure you still have both of ur kidney?
Single boy, single boy, single all the way. Online game, masturbate, we go all the way, hey! Single boy, single boy, why can't I be gay? No more wait, no more hate, let us all be gay!
StarcraftMan
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada507 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-16 15:36:02
November 16 2012 15:28 GMT
#393
Hi, as somebody who lived in Shanghai, I'm going to give a word of advice to foreigners who go there.

First and foremost, relative to the other Chinese cities in China, Shanghai is probably one of the most safest cities in China. However, there are a lot of migrant workers in Shanghai and more often than not, it's the migrant workers that cause problems because they may not be able to find a job in Shanghai so they resort to other things, and a minority of them may resort to illegal activities.

The reason why Shanghai is safer than other cities in China is because it is a model of development for China so the government usually cracks down harder on Shanghai (ie; there are very few brothels in Shanghai compared to other Chinese cities). On average, the police in Shanghai is also less corrupt than the police in other Chinese cities. However, there is corruption everywhere in China so don't think for a second that the Shanghai police is not corrupt.

Now this is common sense when travelling in a foreign country but unfortunately, Mr. Bitter had to experience this the hard way: when you are travelling in a foreign country, you must always be extra vigilant and more cautious than when you're at home. If you suspect something is not going right, be ready to exit the situation as quickly and as peacefully as possible without offending the people you are dealing with.. This applies everywhere you travel, especially in developing countries. If Mr. Bitter had followed this rule, he would have left the cab the moment the stranger got in the cab with him.

As for violence towards foreigners in China, rest assured, the penalty is 10x more severe for the local offender if he/she is caught. The Chinese government does not tolerate any violence against foreigners, especially in Shanghai, for good reason - the Chinese government wants to keep the news free of any incidents where a foreigner is harmed in Shanghai, which is supposed to be their model city. If Mr. Bitter was severely harmed, and being an American, it made the news in the US, it would really hurt Shanghai's reputation. For that reason, I highly doubt these thugs would have had the guts to kidnap Mr. Bitter either - they simply make the threat but there is no way they would go further with their threats.

Still, if you are outnumbered, it makes no sense to fight back, especially if they just want to rob you of a few thousand dollars. You could be severely hurt if they gang up on you and/or they have weapons and the few thousands dollars you lose would be chump change compared to permanent life long injuries (or even your own life).

Overall, I would say Shanghai is quite safe to travel to compared to cities in other developing countries provided you stay vigilant and cautious. Yes, there is an obscene amount of petty crime in Shanghai day in and day out - always watch your belongings and be careful of con artists. However, the severity of crime usually does not exceed the typical petty crime or con artist situation - it rarely, rarely, goes to violent crime. Contrary to what Mr. Bitter is saying, it is quite safe to travel alone in Shanghai - just be a bit cautious and careful in the more remote areas. By far, I would rank Shanghai safer than say, New York, LA, etc.

Now what I said applies to Shanghai only. It does not apply to other Chinese cities, where the cops and gangsters are probably one and the same. I wish Mr. Bitter the best of luck and hopefully he gets to experience the better side of Shanghai rather than this ugly side.

And yes, Mr. Bitter, you should report this to the police. Unlike the police in LA or New York, I guarantee you the Shanghai police will take this very seriously and they will try to stop it, because it is bad PR for Shanghai if it gets onto the news.


Zandar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1541 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-16 15:36:30
November 16 2012 15:35 GMT
#394
On November 16 2012 23:31 Cosmos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 06:13 Tsuki.eu wrote:
Why do we care about that?



I aggree so much with you, it doesn't deserve a thread at all. Could be in blog section if he REALLY wants people to know about that.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compassion


Compassion is the virtue of empathy for the suffering of others. It is regarded as a fundamental part of human love, and a cornerstone of greater social interconnection and humanism —foundational to the highest principles in philosophy, society, and personhood.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
Ethoex
Profile Joined June 2012
United States164 Posts
November 16 2012 15:36 GMT
#395
thats horrible glad hes ok
"Until the very, very top, in almost anything all that matters, is how much work you put in. The only problem is that most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for." - Greg "IdrA" Fields
Aterons_toss
Profile Joined February 2011
Romania1275 Posts
November 16 2012 15:37 GMT
#396
It's really silly to be alone in a country which you don't know, with a language you don't know and in a city you don't know that is not something around the lines of Sweden, Norway, Germany... etc.
In cities like Shanghai it's very much a silly thing to have any valuables at you whatsoever, not to say anything bad about the Chinese, but rather the fact that it's the kind of place where people work 12 hours a day to procure food... pickpocketing and robbing is pretty common.
A good strategy means leaving your opponent room to make mistakes
ZerglingTwins
Profile Joined October 2012
United States850 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-16 15:45:02
November 16 2012 15:43 GMT
#397
On November 17 2012 00:37 Aterons_toss wrote:
It's really silly to be alone in a country which you don't know, with a language you don't know and in a city you don't know that is not something around the lines of Sweden, Norway, Germany... etc.
In cities like Shanghai it's very much a silly thing to have any valuables at you whatsoever, not to say anything bad about the Chinese, but rather the fact that it's the kind of place where people work 12 hours a day to procure food... pickpocketing and robbing is pretty common.


Pocketpicking yes, much more common, but robbing is much less than US cities, simply because there are too many people usually in streets and also you don't have a gun.
Searching for my twin ling brother.
allen_ami
Profile Joined December 2010
China1392 Posts
November 16 2012 15:43 GMT
#398
On November 17 2012 00:28 StarcraftMan wrote:
Hi, as somebody who lived in Shanghai, I'm going to give a word of advice to foreigners who go there.

First and foremost, relative to the other Chinese cities in China, Shanghai is probably one of the most safest cities in China. However, there are a lot of migrant workers in Shanghai and more often than not, it's the migrant workers that cause problems because they may not be able to find a job in Shanghai so they resort to other things, and a minority of them may resort to illegal activities.

The reason why Shanghai is safer than other cities in China is because it is a model of development for China so the government usually cracks down harder on Shanghai (ie; there are very few brothels in Shanghai compared to other Chinese cities). On average, the police in Shanghai is also less corrupt than the police in other Chinese cities. However, there is corruption everywhere in China so don't think for a second that the Shanghai police is not corrupt.

Now this is common sense when travelling in a foreign country but unfortunately, Mr. Bitter had to experience this the hard way: when you are travelling in a foreign country, you must always be extra vigilant and more cautious than when you're at home. If you suspect something is not going right, be ready to exit the situation as quickly and as peacefully as possible without offending the people you are dealing with.. This applies everywhere you travel, especially in developing countries. If Mr. Bitter had followed this rule, he would have left the cab the moment the stranger got in the cab with him.

As for violence towards foreigners in China, rest assured, the penalty is 10x more severe for the local offender if he/she is caught. The Chinese government does not tolerate any violence against foreigners, especially in Shanghai, for good reason - the Chinese government wants to keep the news free of any incidents where a foreigner is harmed in Shanghai, which is supposed to be their model city. If Mr. Bitter was severely harmed, and being an American, it made the news in the US, it would really hurt Shanghai's reputation. For that reason, I highly doubt these thugs would have had the guts to kidnap Mr. Bitter either - they simply make the threat but there is no way they would go further with their threats.

Still, if you are outnumbered, it makes no sense to fight back, especially if they just want to rob you of a few thousand dollars. You could be severely hurt if they gang up on you and/or they have weapons and the few thousands dollars you lose would be chump change compared to permanent life long injuries (or even your own life).

Overall, I would say Shanghai is quite safe to travel to compared to cities in other developing countries provided you stay vigilant and cautious. Yes, there is an obscene amount of petty crime in Shanghai day in and day out - always watch your belongings and be careful of con artists. However, the severity of crime usually does not exceed the typical petty crime or con artist situation - it rarely, rarely, goes to violent crime. Contrary to what Mr. Bitter is saying, it is quite safe to travel alone in Shanghai - just be a bit cautious and careful in the more remote areas. By far, I would rank Shanghai safer than say, New York, LA, etc.

Now what I said applies to Shanghai only. It does not apply to other Chinese cities, where the cops and gangsters are probably one and the same. I wish Mr. Bitter the best of luck and hopefully he gets to experience the better side of Shanghai rather than this ugly side.

And yes, Mr. Bitter, you should report this to the police. Unlike the police in LA or New York, I guarantee you the Shanghai police will take this very seriously and they will try to stop it, because it is bad PR for Shanghai if it gets onto the news.




As a Shanghainese myself, gotta agree with this guy.
Single boy, single boy, single all the way. Online game, masturbate, we go all the way, hey! Single boy, single boy, why can't I be gay? No more wait, no more hate, let us all be gay!
Uni1987
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands642 Posts
November 16 2012 15:53 GMT
#399
On November 16 2012 21:45 Dosey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 21:41 Uni1987 wrote:
So much assholes here jesus. How is it your own fault getting robbed. Those fucking retards deserve to die. Lets rob someone instead of making a decent living like a normal human being.

Good luck bitter

That's a little uncalled for, no?

No one was hurt and Bitter got back to his hotel safely. It was just a $1600 scared straight lesson on why you shouldn't travel alone.


If you can simply disregard this, by saying "no one was hurt", you are out of your goddamn mind. There is no excuse for theft, none.

I'll admit that my statement was over the top, but it is infuriating to see how many people condone this behavior by "oh well, own fault, shouldnt travel alone". Since when is that a free pass to rob someone?
.............
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-16 15:56:47
November 16 2012 15:55 GMT
#400
Sad incident. I think that Mr Bitter should tell his hotel about it and get them to contact the police for him. This incident is making China and Shanghai look bad, and so they will want to crack down on this shit and take it seriously.

Obviously this story is not released to the media per se, but this thread alone has 42,000 views so far!
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