EPT1) Mole trap
2) BO1
With problem #1 already resolved, once #2 is fixed, OSL should be on par if not more popular than GSL.
Rain forfeits GSL Code S spot in favor of MLG. - Page 39
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Incomplet
United Kingdom1419 Posts
1) Mole trap 2) BO1 With problem #1 already resolved, once #2 is fixed, OSL should be on par if not more popular than GSL. | ||
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ZerglingTwins
United States850 Posts
On November 02 2012 06:18 Fionn wrote: OGN players do. I'm pretty sure many ESF players who have been playing in Code A qualifiers/Code A/Code S for the past two years would much rather win GSL. OGN Sparkyz disbanded several years ago, they have no players. | ||
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Kasaraki
Denmark7115 Posts
On November 02 2012 06:31 Incomplet wrote: There were 2 major factors in why GSL attracted more viewers than OSL. 1) Mole trap 2) BO1 With problem #1 already resolved, once #2 is fixed, OSL should be on par if not more popular than GSL. Not sure if serious. >_> Not only are you not mentioning other even bigger problems, such as the stream being utterly shit, but you are ignoring the true reason why OSL isn't very popular: Lack of hype and community contact. They aren't able to brand themselves and advertise themselves very well, amongst other things. *shrugs* | ||
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Bluerain
United States348 Posts
On November 02 2012 05:05 Wolfswood wrote: Being pragmatic isn't "business-like"? Rain was a cheesy noob very few people liked. By.Sun is one of the hottest players in the world. Of course GOM wants him in their tournament. it's also not very fair to whoever needs to face Rain in Code A. he's supposed to be someone whose skill caliber is that he fell out of Code S ro32. Rain should seriously just be out of both Code S and A and the Code A player should get a walkover. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On November 02 2012 06:56 oneofthem wrote: even gsl pros know that the OSL is the big stage. dont kid yourselves Apparently the viewers dont know that though and the viewers decide what is big and what isnt. | ||
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Xpace
United States2209 Posts
On November 02 2012 06:40 Kasaraki wrote: Not sure if serious. >_> Not only are you not mentioning other even bigger problems, such as the stream being utterly shit, but you are ignoring the true reason why OSL isn't very popular: Lack of hype and community contact. They aren't able to brand themselves and advertise themselves very well, amongst other things. *shrugs* Honestly, his post makes a lot of sense, and I can relate to it. But I'd like to emphasize that it's only my opinion (and we likely share the same opinion). Stream quality is important, but I put watching the actual games and watching the pros above that. As long as I can see the intricacies in their play, their styles from BW switching to SC2, and so on, I'm happy with that. What I couldn't stand was Moletrap, and I won't bother writing why to avoid the bashing, just that it's a personal reason. Sure, muting is an option, but watching the game without sounds (or hearing what Doa has to say, because he's actually likeable) just killed the overall atmosphere and viewing experience. In the end I watched the Korean stream (Auction) - the video quality was worse but it was the best compromise I could think of (huge delay on English stream so muting it while having Auction stream audio wasn't an option). So yes, Moletrap is a valid reason, but saying it like it's fact rather than opinion isn't right. | ||
Fionn
United States23455 Posts
On November 02 2012 06:31 Incomplet wrote: There were 2 major factors in why GSL attracted more viewers than OSL. 1) Mole trap 2) BO1 With problem #1 already resolved, once #2 is fixed, OSL should be on par if not more popular than GSL. No, GSL has more viewers because Mr. Chae caters to the foreign audience, makes content specially for foreigners, and even has headsets at the freaking studio/finals where foreigners can listen to Tastosis so they know what's going on. Compare that to OSL's foreign side of things. Lagging stream. Lagging VoD's. Production value is awful for the English viewers. If you watched the Legend of the Swarm episode from last week, there was a tooooooooooon of foreigners at the GSL finals. They had a much bigger crowd and it was a much bigger event. It's also a plus that their finals didn't stutter every five seconds and the VoD's didn't actually have the same laggy games on them. even gsl pros know that the OSL is the big stage. dont kid yourselves Ugh, stop with the prestigious stuff. Yes, MC and other former BW pros see the prestige in the OSL, but this is a new game. I am sure if you asked a lot of the ESF pros who have been busting their ass for the last two years to win a GSL if they'd rather win that or OSL, they'd pick GSL. | ||
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jax1492
United States1632 Posts
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NihilisticGod
Northern Ireland174 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On November 02 2012 06:20 Goldfish wrote: No one remembers MKP winning MLG multiple times (or going head to head with DRG 3 times in a row) but everyone remembers GSL finals. lolwhat, plenty of people do, it was his first major one and the storyline to watch for four MLGs | ||
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zerious
Canada3803 Posts
On November 02 2012 07:05 Fionn wrote: No, GSL has more viewers because Mr. Chae caters to the foreign audience, makes content specially for foreigners, and even has headsets at the freaking studio/finals where foreigners can listen to Tastosis so they know what's going on. Compare that to OSL's foreign side of things. Lagging stream. Lagging VoD's. Production value is awful for the English viewers. If you watched the Legend of the Swarm episode from last week, there was a tooooooooooon of foreigners at the GSL finals. They had a much bigger crowd and it was a much bigger event. It's also a plus that their finals didn't stutter every five seconds and the VoD's didn't actually have the same laggy games on them. Ugh, stop with the prestigious stuff. Yes, MC and other former BW pros see the prestige in the OSL, but this is a new game. I am sure if you asked a lot of the ESF pros who have been busting their ass for the last two years to win a GSL if they'd rather win that or OSL, they'd pick GSL. Koreans prefer OSL, just because of the korean media attention they will receive. I'd bet that when Rain won he received x50 the media coverage than when Life won the GSL even though the GSL finals were better quality. | ||
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RHoudini
Belgium3627 Posts
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-TesteR-
Canada1165 Posts
On November 02 2012 06:40 Kasaraki wrote: Not sure if serious. >_> Not only are you not mentioning other even bigger problems, such as the stream being utterly shit, but you are ignoring the true reason why OSL isn't very popular: Lack of hype and community contact. They aren't able to brand themselves and advertise themselves very well, amongst other things. *shrugs* No. You are looking at it all wrong. Put on your rose tinted glasses then look at the situation again. | ||
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Interstellar
Mexico67 Posts
GomTV is only big in South Korea. MLG is popular worldwide. MLG has the resources and sponsors to provide free live streams of entire tournaments. GomTV lets you see the first game for free on a poor quality stream and then charges for every other game in the set. Even if the games are old and everyone knows the results. They still charge for those games. Any pro player in Rain's shoes would make the same decision. Any team that has a player as good as Rain will want to send them to an MLG rather than GomTV studios again. | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10341 Posts
On November 02 2012 07:20 zerious wrote: Koreans prefer OSL, just because of the korean media attention they will receive. I'd bet that when Rain won he received x50 the media coverage than when Life won the GSL even though the GSL finals were better quality. Koreans preferred brood war. They can call it the OSL, but it's not the OSL anymore, and the fans have demonstrated their feelings with their indifference. KESPA knows it, that's why they're putting all their chips on their success in a popular foreigner tournament. The Koreans will not save KESPA. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
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sparklyresidue
United States5523 Posts
If we look at who definitely benefits from this situation, it's Hyun. Rain is a beastly opponent, and it's Hyun's big break getting into Code S. Suddenly, conveniently, his road into RO16 gets a lot easier. Now, if we look at recent news, TSL apparently "can't afford" to send Polt to Dreamhack. Why? Because they payed off Rain. Bam, motherfuckers. I'm going to go make some hot chocolate, enjoy that knowledge. Please excuse my J.D. Salinger level of italics, but I did it for emphasis. | ||
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Decado
United States42 Posts
On November 02 2012 07:05 Fionn wrote: No, GSL has more viewers because Mr. Chae caters to the foreign audience, makes content specially for foreigners, and even has headsets at the freaking studio/finals where foreigners can listen to Tastosis so they know what's going on. Compare that to OSL's foreign side of things. Lagging stream. Lagging VoD's. Production value is awful for the English viewers. If you watched the Legend of the Swarm episode from last week, there was a tooooooooooon of foreigners at the GSL finals. They had a much bigger crowd and it was a much bigger event. It's also a plus that their finals didn't stutter every five seconds and the VoD's didn't actually have the same laggy games on them. Ugh, stop with the prestigious stuff. Yes, MC and other former BW pros see the prestige in the OSL, but this is a new game. I am sure if you asked a lot of the ESF pros who have been busting their ass for the last two years to win a GSL if they'd rather win that or OSL, they'd pick GSL. Eh, I just watched the auction KR stream and it was 100x better than anything GSL had ever produced. Never listen to commentary anyway, and as a fan from BW I believe the Kespa players are the superior RTS players so I much prefer the OSL. Also, love the fact that it takes 1-2 hours to get through the OSL every day compared to 5+ hours for GSL. | ||
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
On November 02 2012 07:31 Interstellar wrote: GomTV is only big in South Korea. MLG is popular worldwide. MLG has the resources and sponsors to provide free live streams of entire tournaments. GomTV lets you see the first game for free on a poor quality stream and then charges for every other game in the set. Even if the games are old and everyone knows the results. They still charge for those games. Any pro player in Rain's shoes would make the same decision. Any team that has a player as good as Rain will want to send them to an MLG rather than GomTV studios again. When is the last time you actually watched the GSL? Also a lot of the older GSL's (Open Season 1 to GSL March) are free. You can stay up and watch GSL for free live if you don't want to buy VoD's. GomTV is probably bigger, SC2 wise, in the foreigner scene than it is in Korea. | ||
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