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Rain forfeits GSL Code S spot in favor of MLG. - Page 41

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Mirror0423
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States175 Posts
November 02 2012 01:27 GMT
#801
GSL has more view cause... OSL is on TV in Korea? So you don't count the online views like you do in the GSL?
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
November 02 2012 01:35 GMT
#802
Damn... rain!
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DMXD
Profile Joined February 2008
United States4064 Posts
November 02 2012 01:37 GMT
#803
Disappointed in Rain's decision but oh well good luck in Dallas.. Better get top 4 or else XD
Carnate
Profile Joined September 2010
United States62 Posts
November 02 2012 01:44 GMT
#804
On November 02 2012 10:06 jinorazi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2012 09:59 sighsigh wrote:
On November 02 2012 09:48 jinorazi wrote:
On November 02 2012 09:40 sighsigh wrote:
On November 02 2012 09:32 jinorazi wrote:
gsl vs osl

at least osl allows korean stream through vlc and i cannot get the auction kr stream to work.
i have to pay for gsl korean, and only vods.

i hate em both for not taking care of koreans, outside korea.


That is the beauty of GSL, they don't interfere with the players and their careers. In fact GSL has always been accommodating towards players and their tight schedules as long as it's early notice.


hmm? wrong quote?


GSL does take care of korean players, especially outside of South Korea. But they don't have juristiction anywhere but GSL.


korean stream, meaning for korean viewers, i was talking about korean viewers living outside korea (they cannot watch korean streams).

i had to pirate osl to watch in korean

When you buy a GSL ticket you can watch it in Korean.
slappy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1271 Posts
November 02 2012 01:52 GMT
#805
I think the people most upset about this are the ESF GSL players that want to rip apart by.sun ahahaha
jaedong imba
creamyturtle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States487 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-02 03:01:32
November 02 2012 02:56 GMT
#806
Okay I know I was boring you guys earlier with my expected value maths, but I couldn't stop thinking about this problem.

A more realistic Utility Function for Rain going to MLG would be something like this:

E(U) = (Prize Winnings x Probability of Winning) + (Net Benefit from traveling to a new country) + (NB of foreign sponsorship exposure) + (NB of foreign fan exposure) + (NB of personal reasons)

like this maybe...

E(U) = ($25000 x .25) + ($1000) + ($5,000) + ($2,000) + ($1000)

E(U) = $15,250


vs if he Stayed in Korea and played in GSL:

E(U) = ($50,000 x .25) + ($0) + ($0) + ($0) + ($0)

E(U) = $12,500


Both scenarios assume a 25% chance of winning the Finals. I just chose some educated guesses as numbers to include in the example.
Terran it up.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-02 03:01:15
November 02 2012 03:00 GMT
#807
it's simple competition and his preferences. deal with it.

@guy above for real?
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
creamyturtle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States487 Posts
November 02 2012 03:04 GMT
#808
Well its probably KeSPA... but yea
Terran it up.
LockeTazeline
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
2390 Posts
November 02 2012 03:10 GMT
#809
As someone who rarely watches the games and just checks results, I personally prefer the GSL because of the format. Granted, I've only followed the OSL for one season, but it seems like it's just straight up qualifiers, 2 bo1 group stages, followed by a single elimination tournament with a couple seeds thrown in from the previous season. GSL results are much more intriguing since every match is important (with the except of Code A ro32) and ties together with the next season. And all in all just a lot more content. (They do the same preliminaries and main tournament except with bo3 groups AND have all of Code A and Up/Downs).

Also, at least for this past season, I'd say winning Code S was a much more difficult feat than the OSL.
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
November 02 2012 03:25 GMT
#810
who wouldnt.
Hez
Profile Joined July 2011
United States31 Posts
November 02 2012 03:30 GMT
#811
Hope Rain is happy with the decision whether he made it or not. Good luck!

Oh and lets not jump to any conclusions about KeSPA, keep the pitchforks away until more information is available.
Even if I knew that tomorrow the world would go to pieces, I would still plant my apple tree. -Martin Luther
oZe
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden492 Posts
November 02 2012 03:30 GMT
#812
On November 02 2012 12:00 oneofthem wrote:
it's simple competition and his preferences. deal with it.

@guy above for real?


Nah only a robot would put a price on personal well being but pulling numbers out of his ass suggests he is part human ^^
The worst kinds of organized crime are religion & government.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
November 02 2012 03:31 GMT
#813
On November 02 2012 12:25 aintz wrote:
who wouldnt.


Polt, Symbol and Inori all had places firmly in the MLG system, but declined their spots for a GSTL semifinal.
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vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
November 02 2012 03:32 GMT
#814
On November 02 2012 11:56 creamyturtle wrote:
Okay I know I was boring you guys earlier with my expected value maths, but I couldn't stop thinking about this problem.

A more realistic Utility Function for Rain going to MLG would be something like this:

E(U) = (Prize Winnings x Probability of Winning) + (Net Benefit from traveling to a new country) + (NB of foreign sponsorship exposure) + (NB of foreign fan exposure) + (NB of personal reasons)

like this maybe...

E(U) = ($25000 x .25) + ($1000) + ($5,000) + ($2,000) + ($1000)

E(U) = $15,250


vs if he Stayed in Korea and played in GSL:

E(U) = ($50,000 x .25) + ($0) + ($0) + ($0) + ($0)

E(U) = $12,500


Both scenarios assume a 25% chance of winning the Finals. I just chose some educated guesses as numbers to include in the example.


You also get foreign exposure (and thus sponsors) for winning GSL. Plus you have too many 'educated guesses' for this to work. Just seems like random numbers you pulled out.
TiTanIum_
Profile Joined August 2011
Brazil1335 Posts
November 02 2012 03:36 GMT
#815
On November 02 2012 12:00 oneofthem wrote:
it's simple competition and his preferences. deal with it.

@guy above for real?


Guess you've never spoke to an economist before.
mhael
Profile Joined January 2012
United States102 Posts
November 02 2012 03:46 GMT
#816
I'd say winning a GSL is MUCH more prestigious than anything else out there. GSL has their stuff together; their website is amazing and the VODS, brackets etc... is so professional. SUPER user friendly and doesn't give away spoilers. GSL has the best casters in code S. Oh, and GSL has the best players playing.
MLG is good, but even if he wins MLG - it's nothing like winning in GSL. I wish they could have worked this out; but oh well.

My two favorite guys to watch right now are Rain and MVP.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
November 02 2012 04:02 GMT
#817
Flying out to Dallas tomorrow...can't wait to cheer for Rain and I fully support him in his decision . Once he hears the roar of the crowd he will not have ANY regrets. Nor should he, he's just a kid and he wants to travel abroad and experience this.
Sparkman
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60 Posts
November 02 2012 04:34 GMT
#818
Rain is being a HoneyBadger and not giving a fuck. I will be happy to see him rape the open bracket and possibly wining MLG.
convention
Profile Joined October 2011
United States622 Posts
November 02 2012 05:25 GMT
#819
On November 02 2012 13:02 Doodsmack wrote:
Flying out to Dallas tomorrow...can't wait to cheer for Rain and I fully support him in his decision . Once he hears the roar of the crowd he will not have ANY regrets. Nor should he, he's just a kid and he wants to travel abroad and experience this.

I've seen many people reply the same thing to you, but maybe one more time works. The problem was never his decision, it was that he never informed GOM about his decision.
silent_owl
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines3098 Posts
November 02 2012 05:55 GMT
#820
Well, let's all relax now. What most people have been saying is making sense. GSL may be more prestigious but, well, playing abroad in the US is something new to the Kespa pros and with BW dying, it was their sudden exposure to the foreign fanbase which has apparently motivated most of them to continue with the Starcraft franchise.

At first, I was irritated and I still do believe that much could have been done earlier to prevent this kind of conflict, heck, GOM moved the entire Group E to next week. Still, you can't blame Rain for going and I'm sure he, Kespa and Gom have learned from this.

I can just remember how I was almost brought to tears when the first wave of Kespa pros went to MLG's, they seemed so surprised that they had such a huge foreign fanbase. Now, they play not just for themselves AND Korean fans but for foreign fans as well. I'm sure Rain just couldn't wait to be a part of that. He's still young after all.

Again, I hope he pulls a Leenock and wins the entire tournament from the open bracket, he's such a smart player with safe enough play to guarantee that unless it's a top Korean cheesing him, he can probably survive enough to get to the groups.
"If you know your enemy and yourself, you need not fear the results of a hundred battles." - Sun Tzu
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