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shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
October 30 2012 11:09 GMT
#21
On October 30 2012 20:00 eviltomahawk wrote:
Stork vs GGPlay was truly unforgettable.



yes, this is the defining match

"starcraft: the movie"
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letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-30 11:11:58
October 30 2012 11:10 GMT
#22
One of the best tosses in BW with refined, exquisite playstyle. His best games were carefully architectured masterpieces. Stork is the player who could just pull off some incredible victories either it was JD, Flash, Bisu or any other top player when everything went to his plan.
TABlitz
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia43 Posts
October 30 2012 11:19 GMT
#23
On October 30 2012 06:40 Sawamura wrote:
I will always remember the "Commander" stork for this game ...




feel sorry for Jaedong =( but wp by Stork :D
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
October 30 2012 11:20 GMT
#24
Haha I had prepared a thread in the BW section to share your article, and I posted it just as TL.net went down because of the storm. When I came back you had created this thread ! Good article, thanks !
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thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5498 Posts
October 30 2012 11:21 GMT
#25
Stork has so many silvers tho o.o
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
October 30 2012 11:33 GMT
#26
Well written article, but I would have liked to have seen some real analysis of storks play, rather than just his results. For instance, there was no mention of how he (along with pusan) pioneered the used of arbiters in PvT and significantly contributed to the development of the PvT metagame on maps like 815 (which assisted anytime on his way to his win in So1). As Pusan/Anytime somewhat dropped off the map he became (essentially) solely responsible for what defined standard PvT (as much as Bisu defined standard PvZ) with his careful macro oriented approach which focused on reavers to control the terran before the midgame. Part of Flash's brilliance came from designing the perfect hard counter to this build during the course of GSI/Bacchus (quick upgrades and a goliath to shut down the harass). Stork was also (arguably) the best PvP player for at least a year prior to his loss to bisu in the MSL. And even after, I would argue he was the scarier opponent.

But perhaps that was beyond the scope of the article nevertheless. It was an entertaining read.
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bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-30 11:55:20
October 30 2012 11:39 GMT
#27
On October 30 2012 20:10 letian wrote:
One of the best tosses in BW with refined, exquisite playstyle. His best games were carefully architectured masterpieces. Stork is the player who could just pull off some incredible victories either it was JD, Flash, Bisu or any other top player when everything went to his plan.

And the most sad story of his career? He did not deliver this in finals. His incredibly calm demeanor and calculated play (Stork vs Jaedong, difference in appearance) in proleague or even in groupstages vanished and he made mistakes that cost him medals, lack of dragoon range (!) probably cost him MSL gold a crown example of who stork was. A total monster in proleague (at his peak) and overall consistancy but never with a finishing touch.

Sad but there is beauty to that, i kinda love great players with small tragic twists on their path, overall i find it more interesting to follow players like that. For me Stork is like all time favorite, he has what it takes to be a top player for years, he always had sluggish apm yet his beautiful control and calculated macro basically negated any perceived flaw from spectator view. Even if you look at 2007 Stork and compare it to 2010 or 2011 stork you don't see much difference, the thing is he found a key pattern to play his own BW, thats what made TBLS. Each one of them found their own way of playing game, whether it was stork with 170-220 or so BW apm or Jaedong with 350-400 APM they molded the game to the shape they wanted to see and like.

It is entirely possible for all of them to do this in SC2(and several other notable A-teamers), and thats kinda what gives me the suspense, the suspense that keeps me here cheering for these people. The question is, whether they have the desire needed to do it again. Being progamer, playing the game even training and saying in an interview "i want to win" is not really a defenitive answer. For that i will have to look forward with my own eyes.

#plexa
Well stork has winrate over Bisu, but finals kinda outweighted this simple math in viewers eyes.


Also other game that needs to be highlighted is the infamous carrier comeback vs Flash, probably a reason why something in Flash head clicked and he started to become the most frightening TvP terran ever.

Stork basically influenced a metagame himself and as a proxy. He was the player to beat just after Savior. *

*In OSL, MSL was kinda a Bisu's turf.
Stork[gm]
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
October 30 2012 11:40 GMT
#28
Thank you for the history lesson, I always appreciate them when they appear on TL.
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
October 30 2012 12:12 GMT
#29
On October 30 2012 20:39 bgx wrote:
#plexa
Well stork has winrate over Bisu, but finals kinda outweighted this simple math in viewers eyes.


Also other game that needs to be highlighted is the infamous carrier comeback vs Flash, probably a reason why something in Flash head clicked and he started to become the most frightening TvP terran ever.

Stork basically influenced a metagame himself and as a proxy. He was the player to beat just after Savior. *

*In OSL, MSL was kinda a Bisu's turf.
Oh you mean the 3rd place match series? I don't know if that was directly responsible, only Flash could say. But Stork certainly didn't hide his PvT strategy it was always 1gate nexus robo reaver into heavy macro play with good observer use. Katrina also heavily influencing carrier play leading up to the finals probably had a huge impact as well.

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sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-30 12:38:49
October 30 2012 12:28 GMT
#30
On October 30 2012 09:10 Zenbrez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2012 08:23 openbox1 wrote:
On October 30 2012 06:51 nextstep wrote:
Definitely my all time favorite player.

Hope he does well in sc2.

On October 30 2012 06:40 Sawamura wrote:
I will always remember the "Commander" stork for this game ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ijf6RysNq9I


must see for those who haven't already.


Wow! I couldn't tell who was winning. The SC2 interface with the observer panel is really useful for supply comparisons etc...
I thought the Zerg had the game in the bag after the big win in the center. Don't know how the toss came back from that.

By the way, do they not have air conditioning? Why the heck is that guy sweating that much? Man, having your heart rate up so much while sitting down and playing a computer game definitely doesn't seem healthy.

I thought you were being a bit silly with the sweat comment, but then I skimmed through the game. Sweet mother of god, I've never sweat that much before...


Jaedong just focuses all his energy into the game. There are quite a few games where he is sweating like a mad man. I don't think you will see him doing this in SC2 though. Zerg late game in BW requires a shitload of mechanics and Jaedong was the only one who really perfected it mechanically (except maybe Soulkey later on who can randomly save single hydras by turning them into an egg against mines in late game -_-).

For example keybinding all his units, then when he attacks, keybind all his hatcheries to macro, then keybind his units again for control, the main thing is that half his actions don't even count as apm and he has 400-600. Doing things like that repeatedly is enough to make you start sweating.

The opposite is Bisu, hes basically a robot, no facial expressions, no nerves, not a single drop of sweat, ever. Even when hes got tabs on 5 different map locations.
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endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
October 30 2012 13:37 GMT
#31
On October 30 2012 21:28 sluggaslamoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2012 09:10 Zenbrez wrote:
On October 30 2012 08:23 openbox1 wrote:
On October 30 2012 06:51 nextstep wrote:
Definitely my all time favorite player.

Hope he does well in sc2.

On October 30 2012 06:40 Sawamura wrote:
I will always remember the "Commander" stork for this game ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ijf6RysNq9I


must see for those who haven't already.


Wow! I couldn't tell who was winning. The SC2 interface with the observer panel is really useful for supply comparisons etc...
I thought the Zerg had the game in the bag after the big win in the center. Don't know how the toss came back from that.

By the way, do they not have air conditioning? Why the heck is that guy sweating that much? Man, having your heart rate up so much while sitting down and playing a computer game definitely doesn't seem healthy.

I thought you were being a bit silly with the sweat comment, but then I skimmed through the game. Sweet mother of god, I've never sweat that much before...


For example keybinding all his units, then when he attacks, keybind all his hatcheries to macro, then keybind his units again for control, the main thing is that half his actions don't even count as apm and he has 400-600. Doing things like that repeatedly is enough to make you start sweating.


Only F2/3/4 and Shift + F2/3/4 don't count as APM. Hotkey binding and hotkey selection count.
What's funny is that Soulkey is a really low apm zerg, probably the lowest since sAviOr but still had an impressive late game management.
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sinigang
Profile Joined August 2012
360 Posts
October 30 2012 14:05 GMT
#32
The opposite is Bisu, hes basically a robot, no facial expressions, no nerves, not a single drop of sweat, ever. Even when hes got tabs on 5 different map locations.


Sounds like Rain these days. SKT bionics at work.
KivTM
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia90 Posts
October 30 2012 14:32 GMT
#33
On October 30 2012 08:23 openbox1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2012 06:51 nextstep wrote:
Definitely my all time favorite player.

Hope he does well in sc2.

On October 30 2012 06:40 Sawamura wrote:
I will always remember the "Commander" stork for this game ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ijf6RysNq9I


must see for those who haven't already.


Wow! I couldn't tell who was winning. The SC2 interface with the observer panel is really useful for supply comparisons etc...
I thought the Zerg had the game in the bag after the big win in the center. Don't know how the toss came back from that.

By the way, do they not have air conditioning? Why the heck is that guy sweating that much? Man, having your heart rate up so much while sitting down and playing a computer game definitely doesn't seem healthy.


This is a major reason why I rarely feel any tension when watching an sc2 game. There are so many games where I know whos going to win because of just how much information we have. Imagine if that game had tabs for units lost, army supply, income workers killed etc. We would not be on the edge of our seats but instead waiting for the game to finish.
adacan
Profile Joined September 2011
United States117 Posts
October 30 2012 14:35 GMT
#34
On October 30 2012 06:51 nextstep wrote:
Definitely my all time favorite player.

Hope he does well in sc2.

Show nested quote +
On October 30 2012 06:40 Sawamura wrote:
I will always remember the "Commander" stork for this game ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ijf6RysNq9I


must see for those who haven't already.

wow amazing game
Thorin
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
601 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-30 21:17:20
October 30 2012 21:15 GMT
#35
On October 30 2012 06:40 Sawamura wrote:
I will always remember the "Commander" stork for this game ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ijf6RysNq9I


Great game, especially since it's the ace match. Another of Stork's tragic qualities: that his PvZ was his trickiest match-up and yet he managed to maintain a great win-rate vs. Jaedong, the best Zerg and a ZvP monster.
glzElectromaster
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Japan2474 Posts
October 30 2012 21:49 GMT
#36
On October 30 2012 06:40 Sawamura wrote:
I will always remember the "Commander" stork for this game ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ijf6RysNq9I


I still can't believe Jaedong's sweat in this game. The fact that it was really only him and HiyA that was carrying Hwaseung in WL didn't help either.
RIP Kt. Violet | In solitude, where we are least alone
Balfazar
Profile Joined November 2008
Australia483 Posts
October 31 2012 11:13 GMT
#37
I've been looking for news of Stork in SC2 but haven't seen anything, is he playing?
Caladbolg
Profile Joined March 2011
2855 Posts
October 31 2012 11:19 GMT
#38
Strangely enough I've always remembered Stork for his epic losses more than his triumphs. But even in his losses he's always shown that he had the heart of a champion. If ever there was a progamer who embodied what we all go through in life (save certain, blessed individuals), it's Stork. The People's Champion!
"I don't like the word prodigy at all. To me prodigy sounds like a person who was 'gifted' all these things rather than a person who earned all these talents by hard training... I must train harder to reach my goal." - Flash
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
October 31 2012 13:27 GMT
#39
The mortal who dared defy the gods
But (P)Stork ain't no mortal, he is one half of the omnipotent Protoss god TaekBang Archon .

Stork didn't have the tactical genius of a Flash
I have to disagree with this one too. (P)Stork was one of the slowest progamers out there, but his tactical genius and strategic brilliance more than compensated for it and gave him an unforgettable career. (You pointed this out in Knight-errant)

But other than that good work sir, its a very nice article about our friendly neighborhood Dino-Toss. (P)Stork hwaiting!!!!

PS, I never thought I will see a SC2 thread with that many BW VODs.
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Joefish
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany314 Posts
October 31 2012 13:41 GMT
#40
On October 30 2012 06:40 Sawamura wrote:
I will always remember the "Commander" stork for this game ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ijf6RysNq9I


Everytime someone posts this game I die a little inside...
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