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On October 25 2012 02:53 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 02:47 Incomplet wrote:On October 25 2012 02:42 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 02:38 Incomplet wrote:On October 25 2012 02:24 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 02:20 Kasaraki wrote:On October 25 2012 02:19 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 02:12 Incomplet wrote:On October 25 2012 02:04 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 01:43 Incomplet wrote:
Thinking short term is ridiculous. Short term = Oh no money in this tournament therfore this is not worthy of my time. The more intelligent long-term thinking is...oh if I win this tournament then this will give me more prestige to my name and ultimately earn me more money via more tournament invites and stream viewers. Sure the WCG may not be as prestigious as it used to be, but it still is one more merit to add to your name, which makes you more equitable. And in regards to quitting due to not believing you can win, that is just an excuse. Quitting before even trying is pathetic in not just SC2, but everything in life.
In all honesty, he would have been safer just saying he is not attending due to "personal reasons". reading comprehension: Happy doesn't think he can reach the prize pool so winning the tournament... lol. Yeah sure you can bash a player without even reading, good job sir. So giving up before even trying? Pathetic. Using his time wisely by training is the long term mentality, instead of wasting 4+days for a tournament which won't be too much followed by the western audience (dunno about Russia but it'd surprise me greatly if it was different) and in which he won't gain any reocgnition/money. You know the thing every athlete does by skipping useless/low profile event if they're good enough. Then why was he in WCG Russia? He isn't skipping the event, he's pulling out after winning the Russian part. i'm not in his shoes but: Easier/money recognition, tournament was more accessible (point 1 and 2), he wasn't sure about going to China/was sure he wouldn't go (this one is questionnable) Was not aware of the tournament schedule/condition in China (considering WCS history). Basically doing a lan in Russia for a russian player can't be bad, going to China for 4+ days is an entirely other thing. /e @ Incomplet, the problem is that you're 100% sure a Korean will win the event, and if they don't eliminate themselves they'll just get the top spots. Happy has probably better opportunities tournament wise in Russia/CEI and he'll be in all Dreamhack/Assembly if he wishes too since he's good enough to make a run. I agree he won't win (well he's Eu and T, that's already a proof :D) but he can get decent prize money. This WCG is really stupid for foreigners, totally overshadowed by WCS and still no hope to win while having to travel to China. (it's faaaaaaaar from being a premier tournament) Well thats the thing...if foreigners run away from Koreans then they will never improve. To be the best, you have to compete among the best. If foreigners restrain themselves to only tournaments without Koreans, keep expecting the top 8 in every premiere foreign event to be Korean, with Stephano sneaking in there around 6th place. And to be frank, I have been to China and I got around fine without knowing a single word of Chinese. A friendly person can easily befriend other people who dont speak their native language by using broken English and hand signs - or even a pocket dictionary. A simple warm smile can go a long way. Playing a single bo3 against a korean won't do anything. You either go to Korea and train with them or accept that you stay behind (and further behind with the surge of Kespa pros, Rain against a foreigner could be funny, especially PvT lol). Just compare WCS and WCG to understand his decision, one is shitty and has close to 0 benefits if you don't reach the prize money, the other will be like the most prestigious tournament of the year (despite not being the harder by a huge margin) Most certainly the WCS is more prestigious than the WCG in SC2, the thing is that whole argument is redundant in this particular case because Happy isn't in the WCS! Like I mentioned before, if you are a low-profile player like Happy, then you take what you can get and make the most out of it. Hell look at Hyun and the amount of hype he got from IPL Fight Club. He has won 10 weeks in a row and its a damn online tournament! Yet these achievements still make the Up and Down Writeups. you're comparing an online bo9 with some solid cash to a tournament in China for a Russian player? Really?
Again this relates back to the prestige thing. WCG may be small, but if you build up lots of small merits, it turns into something big. This is also a grand opportunity to build up experience, again relating back to the investment for the long-term. The whole comparison to Fight Club is that this is also a small lesser-known tournament, heck the LR threads only reach 10ish pages on average. However Hyun won so many times that it then became big and hence, well known and hyped up, as well as building up his own momentum and now has his spot in Code S. The whole point is, yes WCG may be small, but it could be the beginning of something great, and when you got a paid trip and accommodation, then it would be foolish to decline.
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On October 25 2012 03:07 Incomplet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 02:53 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 02:47 Incomplet wrote:On October 25 2012 02:42 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 02:38 Incomplet wrote:On October 25 2012 02:24 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 02:20 Kasaraki wrote:On October 25 2012 02:19 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 02:12 Incomplet wrote:On October 25 2012 02:04 sAsImre wrote:
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reading comprehension: Happy doesn't think he can reach the prize pool so winning the tournament... lol.
Yeah sure you can bash a player without even reading, good job sir. So giving up before even trying? Pathetic. Using his time wisely by training is the long term mentality, instead of wasting 4+days for a tournament which won't be too much followed by the western audience (dunno about Russia but it'd surprise me greatly if it was different) and in which he won't gain any reocgnition/money. You know the thing every athlete does by skipping useless/low profile event if they're good enough. Then why was he in WCG Russia? He isn't skipping the event, he's pulling out after winning the Russian part. i'm not in his shoes but: Easier/money recognition, tournament was more accessible (point 1 and 2), he wasn't sure about going to China/was sure he wouldn't go (this one is questionnable) Was not aware of the tournament schedule/condition in China (considering WCS history). Basically doing a lan in Russia for a russian player can't be bad, going to China for 4+ days is an entirely other thing. /e @ Incomplet, the problem is that you're 100% sure a Korean will win the event, and if they don't eliminate themselves they'll just get the top spots. Happy has probably better opportunities tournament wise in Russia/CEI and he'll be in all Dreamhack/Assembly if he wishes too since he's good enough to make a run. I agree he won't win (well he's Eu and T, that's already a proof :D) but he can get decent prize money. This WCG is really stupid for foreigners, totally overshadowed by WCS and still no hope to win while having to travel to China. (it's faaaaaaaar from being a premier tournament) Well thats the thing...if foreigners run away from Koreans then they will never improve. To be the best, you have to compete among the best. If foreigners restrain themselves to only tournaments without Koreans, keep expecting the top 8 in every premiere foreign event to be Korean, with Stephano sneaking in there around 6th place. And to be frank, I have been to China and I got around fine without knowing a single word of Chinese. A friendly person can easily befriend other people who dont speak their native language by using broken English and hand signs - or even a pocket dictionary. A simple warm smile can go a long way. Playing a single bo3 against a korean won't do anything. You either go to Korea and train with them or accept that you stay behind (and further behind with the surge of Kespa pros, Rain against a foreigner could be funny, especially PvT lol). Just compare WCS and WCG to understand his decision, one is shitty and has close to 0 benefits if you don't reach the prize money, the other will be like the most prestigious tournament of the year (despite not being the harder by a huge margin) Most certainly the WCS is more prestigious than the WCG in SC2, the thing is that whole argument is redundant in this particular case because Happy isn't in the WCS! Like I mentioned before, if you are a low-profile player like Happy, then you take what you can get and make the most out of it. Hell look at Hyun and the amount of hype he got from IPL Fight Club. He has won 10 weeks in a row and its a damn online tournament! Yet these achievements still make the Up and Down Writeups. you're comparing an online bo9 with some solid cash to a tournament in China for a Russian player? Really? Again this relates back to the prestige thing. WCG may be small, but if you build up lots of small merits, it turns into something big. This is also a grand opportunity to build up experience, again relating back to the investment for the long-term. The whole comparison to Fight Club is that this is also a small lesser-known tournament, heck the LR threads only reach 10ish pages on average. However Hyun won so many times that it then became big and hence, well known and hyped up, as well as building up his own momentum and now has his spot in Code S. The whole point is, yes WCG may be small, but it could be the beginning of something great, and when you got a paid trip and accommodation, then it would be foolish to decline.
WCG is most likely a 1week investment for a small return, which is the point you're unable to see apparently.
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On October 25 2012 03:10 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 03:07 Incomplet wrote:On October 25 2012 02:53 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 02:47 Incomplet wrote:On October 25 2012 02:42 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 02:38 Incomplet wrote:On October 25 2012 02:24 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 02:20 Kasaraki wrote:On October 25 2012 02:19 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 02:12 Incomplet wrote:
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So giving up before even trying? Pathetic. Using his time wisely by training is the long term mentality, instead of wasting 4+days for a tournament which won't be too much followed by the western audience (dunno about Russia but it'd surprise me greatly if it was different) and in which he won't gain any reocgnition/money. You know the thing every athlete does by skipping useless/low profile event if they're good enough. Then why was he in WCG Russia? He isn't skipping the event, he's pulling out after winning the Russian part. i'm not in his shoes but: Easier/money recognition, tournament was more accessible (point 1 and 2), he wasn't sure about going to China/was sure he wouldn't go (this one is questionnable) Was not aware of the tournament schedule/condition in China (considering WCS history). Basically doing a lan in Russia for a russian player can't be bad, going to China for 4+ days is an entirely other thing. /e @ Incomplet, the problem is that you're 100% sure a Korean will win the event, and if they don't eliminate themselves they'll just get the top spots. Happy has probably better opportunities tournament wise in Russia/CEI and he'll be in all Dreamhack/Assembly if he wishes too since he's good enough to make a run. I agree he won't win (well he's Eu and T, that's already a proof :D) but he can get decent prize money. This WCG is really stupid for foreigners, totally overshadowed by WCS and still no hope to win while having to travel to China. (it's faaaaaaaar from being a premier tournament) Well thats the thing...if foreigners run away from Koreans then they will never improve. To be the best, you have to compete among the best. If foreigners restrain themselves to only tournaments without Koreans, keep expecting the top 8 in every premiere foreign event to be Korean, with Stephano sneaking in there around 6th place. And to be frank, I have been to China and I got around fine without knowing a single word of Chinese. A friendly person can easily befriend other people who dont speak their native language by using broken English and hand signs - or even a pocket dictionary. A simple warm smile can go a long way. Playing a single bo3 against a korean won't do anything. You either go to Korea and train with them or accept that you stay behind (and further behind with the surge of Kespa pros, Rain against a foreigner could be funny, especially PvT lol). Just compare WCS and WCG to understand his decision, one is shitty and has close to 0 benefits if you don't reach the prize money, the other will be like the most prestigious tournament of the year (despite not being the harder by a huge margin) Most certainly the WCS is more prestigious than the WCG in SC2, the thing is that whole argument is redundant in this particular case because Happy isn't in the WCS! Like I mentioned before, if you are a low-profile player like Happy, then you take what you can get and make the most out of it. Hell look at Hyun and the amount of hype he got from IPL Fight Club. He has won 10 weeks in a row and its a damn online tournament! Yet these achievements still make the Up and Down Writeups. you're comparing an online bo9 with some solid cash to a tournament in China for a Russian player? Really? Again this relates back to the prestige thing. WCG may be small, but if you build up lots of small merits, it turns into something big. This is also a grand opportunity to build up experience, again relating back to the investment for the long-term. The whole comparison to Fight Club is that this is also a small lesser-known tournament, heck the LR threads only reach 10ish pages on average. However Hyun won so many times that it then became big and hence, well known and hyped up, as well as building up his own momentum and now has his spot in Code S. The whole point is, yes WCG may be small, but it could be the beginning of something great, and when you got a paid trip and accommodation, then it would be foolish to decline. WCG is most likely a 1week investment for a small return, which is the point you're unable to see apparently.
1 week is peanuts...Its a small sacrifice for a potentially large return if he does well, but more importantly, gets invaluable experience against some decent Koreans.
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On October 25 2012 03:12 Incomplet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 03:10 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 03:07 Incomplet wrote:On October 25 2012 02:53 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 02:47 Incomplet wrote:On October 25 2012 02:42 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 02:38 Incomplet wrote:On October 25 2012 02:24 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 02:20 Kasaraki wrote:On October 25 2012 02:19 sAsImre wrote:
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Using his time wisely by training is the long term mentality, instead of wasting 4+days for a tournament which won't be too much followed by the western audience (dunno about Russia but it'd surprise me greatly if it was different) and in which he won't gain any reocgnition/money.
You know the thing every athlete does by skipping useless/low profile event if they're good enough. Then why was he in WCG Russia? He isn't skipping the event, he's pulling out after winning the Russian part. i'm not in his shoes but: Easier/money recognition, tournament was more accessible (point 1 and 2), he wasn't sure about going to China/was sure he wouldn't go (this one is questionnable) Was not aware of the tournament schedule/condition in China (considering WCS history). Basically doing a lan in Russia for a russian player can't be bad, going to China for 4+ days is an entirely other thing. /e @ Incomplet, the problem is that you're 100% sure a Korean will win the event, and if they don't eliminate themselves they'll just get the top spots. Happy has probably better opportunities tournament wise in Russia/CEI and he'll be in all Dreamhack/Assembly if he wishes too since he's good enough to make a run. I agree he won't win (well he's Eu and T, that's already a proof :D) but he can get decent prize money. This WCG is really stupid for foreigners, totally overshadowed by WCS and still no hope to win while having to travel to China. (it's faaaaaaaar from being a premier tournament) Well thats the thing...if foreigners run away from Koreans then they will never improve. To be the best, you have to compete among the best. If foreigners restrain themselves to only tournaments without Koreans, keep expecting the top 8 in every premiere foreign event to be Korean, with Stephano sneaking in there around 6th place. And to be frank, I have been to China and I got around fine without knowing a single word of Chinese. A friendly person can easily befriend other people who dont speak their native language by using broken English and hand signs - or even a pocket dictionary. A simple warm smile can go a long way. Playing a single bo3 against a korean won't do anything. You either go to Korea and train with them or accept that you stay behind (and further behind with the surge of Kespa pros, Rain against a foreigner could be funny, especially PvT lol). Just compare WCS and WCG to understand his decision, one is shitty and has close to 0 benefits if you don't reach the prize money, the other will be like the most prestigious tournament of the year (despite not being the harder by a huge margin) Most certainly the WCS is more prestigious than the WCG in SC2, the thing is that whole argument is redundant in this particular case because Happy isn't in the WCS! Like I mentioned before, if you are a low-profile player like Happy, then you take what you can get and make the most out of it. Hell look at Hyun and the amount of hype he got from IPL Fight Club. He has won 10 weeks in a row and its a damn online tournament! Yet these achievements still make the Up and Down Writeups. you're comparing an online bo9 with some solid cash to a tournament in China for a Russian player? Really? Again this relates back to the prestige thing. WCG may be small, but if you build up lots of small merits, it turns into something big. This is also a grand opportunity to build up experience, again relating back to the investment for the long-term. The whole comparison to Fight Club is that this is also a small lesser-known tournament, heck the LR threads only reach 10ish pages on average. However Hyun won so many times that it then became big and hence, well known and hyped up, as well as building up his own momentum and now has his spot in Code S. The whole point is, yes WCG may be small, but it could be the beginning of something great, and when you got a paid trip and accommodation, then it would be foolish to decline. WCG is most likely a 1week investment for a small return, which is the point you're unable to see apparently. 1 week is peanuts...Its a small sacrifice for a potentially large return if he does well, but more importantly, gets invaluable experience against some decent Koreans.
lol
training isn't important, better play a bo1/3 vs a korean in 1week.
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On October 25 2012 00:08 Nerchio wrote:
I wonder what 'Happy will be penalized by WCG' means since i can't see them punishing him in any way. It's not like a player has to go to an event if he doesn't want to. National qualifiers have almost nothing to do with the global finals.
Russian WCG is ran by Federation of Cyber Sports, a government endorsed committee headed by that Dmitri Smit fella(ex-(orky)Dilvish) and while they pretty much dont do anything but run an occasional starcraft tournament and WCG they are shady behind the scenes organization, and like any Russian shady behind the scenes organization they can probably penalize Happy with some leg breaking.
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I don't think you guys hating on him read his entire reply...
You would force him to travel to another country to continue working (playing sc2) where he would only lose more money than he gained? Get a life.
He can do what he wants. He qualified, not you. He can turn down the slot if he so chooses.
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That's a long list of excuses.
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On October 25 2012 03:07 Waxangel wrote:
his choice :o
yup, never liked him very much but this is really his choice and i thought his reasoning wasn't that bad. he's been at WCG plenty times and i also feel it went from the most important tournament (at WC3 TFT it kind of was that) to an insignificant one.
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This is perfectly fine by Happy, but he obviously was aware of decision before going into WCG Russia which is essentially a qualifier, he should have refrained from entering in the first place, but besides that it's perfectly fine.
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On October 25 2012 00:08 Nerchio wrote:
I wonder what 'Happy will be penalized by WCG' means since i can't see them punishing him in any way. It's not like a player has to go to an event if he doesn't want to. National qualifiers have almost nothing to do with the global finals.
WCG will maybe keep some of his prize money from his last tournment by saying they have payed for his ticket to take part ie $500 (i believe thats how much )maybe some one else knows the true cost to enter the tournment.
Travel agents fees
May be take back the cost of the flight tickets as well if cant be cancelled.
May be the hotel costs as well.
Way to go really helping the e-sports scene hit the player when they pull out,its not like they cant replace them.
Pro-gamers own costs when they are there
Transport to hotel from airport there and back.
All there food and drink for the whole day x 3-5 days.
What with only top 3 players making money, players are using there own money to advertise the sponsors and samsungs name.
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On October 25 2012 01:45 bokeevboke wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 00:25 mikedebo wrote:On October 25 2012 00:10 GTR wrote:
What the hell is WCG going to do to Happy? Ban him from future WCG's? They could tweet that Empire.Happy actually encouraged Crank to leave Slayers and the rest will take care of itself... Genius.
No, Crank.
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On October 25 2012 03:15 1Dhalism wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 00:08 Nerchio wrote:
I wonder what 'Happy will be penalized by WCG' means since i can't see them punishing him in any way. It's not like a player has to go to an event if he doesn't want to. National qualifiers have almost nothing to do with the global finals. Russian WCG is ran by Federation of Cyber Sports, a government endorsed committee headed by that Dmitri Smit fella(ex-(orky)Dilvish) and while they pretty much dont do anything but run an occasional starcraft tournament and WCG they are shady behind the scenes organization, and like any Russian shady behind the scenes organization they can probably penalize Happy with some leg breaking.
haha ^^
Well after the epanded translation i understand him a bit more and it's totally fine that he doesn't want to go, just a shame because he misses a paid week in china :/
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On October 25 2012 01:21 divito wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 00:57 SniXSniPe wrote:
Lol are you serious? It's the players fault?
No, it's not. Did you not see the poor excuse of a tournament WCG USA was? Players not accepting paid travel to events and to represent their country because of <insert excuse here> is the reason the talent pool has been diluted over the years. WCG has always had issues with finding competent organizers to run qualification tournaments. Canada and the USA have been no different in that regard; sometimes no one competent shows up, and WCG USA obviously had their issues.
Haha.. Yeah it's not that there is an issue with finding competent organizers, it's that they gave less and less support to the organizers. It's gotten to the point where you, 1 get 0 financial support from WCG, 2 have to find sponsors to pay for travel and a player licence, 3 these sponsors can't compete in anything Samsung does.
We really should feel sorry for the people organizing qualifiers. Though in some region the local Samsung branch does provide some funding, a lot of regions get almost nothing. Getting a tournament license just blows really.
That said, more on topic, I would've done things differently, but Happy's free to make his own choice.
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It's not like Adelscott,DarKFoRcE,Capoch (never heard of him) and the list could continue on have a bigger chance but at least they try.After all who knows...maybe MarineKing breaks his arm and gonna be forced to play with one hand or something.
But it's his choice,let him be.
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On October 25 2012 22:06 Zerg.Zilla wrote:
maybe MarineKing breaks his arm and gonna be forced to play with one hand or something.
I don't understand, how would that change anything? 
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Pff..the part of not having anything to do sounds kinda ridiculous. Just go out and do something, I am sure there is loads to do in China during downtime. Heck, that would be perfect getting flown a few days in advance, then you would have time to explore a bit. Use body language, makes it funny.
Each to his own I guess.
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I was going to suggest dressing up with a Japanese flag and running around yelling "Nippon banzai" as a pastime, but I'm guessing that's too recent to joke about.
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On October 25 2012 23:01 Poltergeist- wrote:
Pff..the part of not having anything to do sounds kinda ridiculous. Just go out and do something, I am sure there is loads to do in China during downtime. Heck, that would be perfect getting flown a few days in advance, then you would have time to explore a bit. Use body language, makes it funny.
Each to his own I guess.
Happy has never been known to be all that much for going out of his way to have fun. ^__^
Also it's his choice, I can't fault him, the spot just goes to the silvermedalist. The only issue I can see is him potentially blocking some one from going by winning the WCG Russia tournament, fx knocking out Titan who'd have a great shot at winning the tournament otherwise.
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Russian Federation4050 Posts
Happy was supposed to be replaced by BratOk at WCG Ru quali, but orgs denied it. Basicly he was forced to play.
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