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TL;DT
After winning WCG Russia,  Happy has declined his slot in WCG grand finals.
speknek's translation:
+ Show Spoiler +1) Like I've said before in several interviews, imo WCG has gone severely downhill the last couple of years (and I've been there 4 times now). First of all the tournament has gone from being a top eSports event for real professionals to a commercial playground where over 95% of attendees are fans/amateurs. The prize purse in in decline and each year the organization of the tournament becomes worse as well.
2) Of course, the fact that I do not wish to attend WCG is solely my own problem. I do not want to travel to a tournament that is run so poorly and likes to have players arrive 2 days in advance. This means that after you arrive, you have to mess around for at least a day. Also, for some reason, the organization always tries to stall the games/tour for as long as possible, with the first games starting early in the morning and ending in the middle of the day.
What players are supposed to do after the games, especially in a country where hardly anyone speaks English, isn't thought of. I personally cannot stand this and prefer not to endure such torture for a week. It's also worth mentioning that there's no opportunity to practice anywhere.
3) Furthermore, I admit that I don't believe that I have a significant chance of a high placement in this tournament. I've recently said how my professional career has been this last year - and those who have seen my interviews with WCG Russia know this - and that I am currently not in the right mood/state to be confident in a high placing at WCG. I'm not denying that this is my own, and only my own problem, but at the moment I cannot change anything about it.
4) So now, a conclusion to the previous paragraphs. I'm a professional eSports player, and if anyone says that it's more important to participate than it is to win, I would like to strongly disagree. The level of earnings in eSports (both wages and prizes) is not comparable to any recognized sport. Secondly, for me the term professional means that this is my job and this occupation is my main source of income. In my potential participation in the WCG Finals I only see a waste of time.
Obviously, these aren't the only reasons for my decision, but the others are personal, and I think that I have shed enough light on this matter with this statement.
TL;DR
Happy's Statement:
1. WCG has shown only regression; turned from top level competition to a big commercial area with decrease in prize pool and quality of the tournament.
2. Does not want to go because they bring people 2 days before the event; you do nothing until your matches and after you're eliminated there is nothing to do because of language barriers. (ex. How many Chinese speak English in the given area.) The schedule itself is really bad. (ex. You start playing very early morning and finish mid day)
3. Does not think he has a chance to place in the money. In the interviews he stated that he is not confident lately.
4. Does not see the benefit in just participating in it without winning it, as prize pool in eSports is not that big at the moment.
He sees that there are more negatives rather than positives in participating in this event.
Of course there are other reasons but they are his personal and he thinks that he got the point across.
Empire's Statement:
Apology to all of Happy's fans, hopefully they will all understand. They wish luck to Turuk, silver winner of WCG Russia who will be representing it.
He will be replaced by Turuk
Happy will be penalized by WCG. As said by Dmitri Smit, they are currently choosing what the appropriate penalty is.
Happy and Team Empire's Statement
Source: GoodGame.ru
EDIT: srry ppls i worded it wrong. don't get mad pl0x. i was in class.
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Perfectly logical by all accounts. I feel bad that Happy wouldn't make the effort, he is a really fun Terran to watch.
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I wonder what 'Happy will be penalized by WCG' means since i can't see them punishing him in any way. It's not like a player has to go to an event if he doesn't want to. National qualifiers have almost nothing to do with the global finals.
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Good call by happy
Wcg doesn't seem work the effort for such poor conditions
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Good decision. WCG has evolved into a joke.
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you get a paid trip to china and complain that you have nothing to do there? well, your loss...
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they will most likely ban him for future events, not that he would care.
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What the hell is WCG going to do to Happy? Ban him from future WCG's?
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On October 25 2012 00:08 Nerchio wrote:
I wonder what 'Happy will be penalized by WCG' means since i can't see them punishing him in any way. It's not like a player has to go to an event if he doesn't want to. National qualifiers have almost nothing to do with the global finals.
I wonder this too. How can WCG punish anyone? And does anyone really care about said punishment?
Either way, sad to not see Happy play but totally understand.
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Very good call. WCG=shit tournament.
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Statement would be better without (3) and (4).
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On October 25 2012 00:10 GTR wrote:
What the hell is WCG going to do to Happy? Ban him from future WCG's?
Was there any prize money from WCG Russia they can withhold?
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WCG has shown "regression" because of players like Happy making the decisions they do. Take pride in representing your country like gamers used to do in the past. Stop making it about the money and how you'll actually have to interact and participate before and after the event. Many players would like the chance to experience something like this.
And people fail to realize what WCG actually is; it's the marketing arm of Samsung, and as much as it's a competition, that's always been a competing focus to the digital and commercial convention that it also is. Comparable in a way to what Blizzcon tried to do.
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Whether his decision was right or wrong, WCG is being stupid for punishing him, imo. When I played Magic, there were similar tournaments called PTQ's. Winning one got you an invite to the Pro Tour. There was no problem with declining your invitation. Hell, here in Australia, you could choose the invite OR 375 dollars as your prize...though part of that was probably the airfare costs from Australia to any Pro Tour location. But declining the invite wasn't considered unethical, or even unusual.
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How pessimistic. Publicly calling yourself not good enough to place high and refusing to go because you'll probably be bored for a few days. Professional indeed...
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We need more players like Happy ............ not
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Can't say I disagree with the man, but still wouldn't have liked to see him play so I can root for an unset or two.
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WTF = only thing i can say.
A list of excuses to hide the real thing we probably will never know.
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On October 25 2012 00:10 GTR wrote:
What the hell is WCG going to do to Happy? Ban him from future WCG's?
They could tweet that Empire.Happy actually encouraged Crank to leave Slayers and the rest will take care of itself...
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Surely it would have increased his publicity, even if he was unable to place in the money. His name would be out there as one of the few best in the world competing at the event.
I understand his reasons though and can't really fault him on them.
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Wow it's a bad logic imo, if pros start to not participate to a tournament because they have no chance of winning there would only be koreans in every tournament ...
Besides if I'm not mistaken he took part in Homestory Cup and if I remember well he speaks english ? It's weird because it's not like he'd lose a lot of money by going to China.
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On October 25 2012 00:33 Lylat wrote:
Wow it's a bad logic imo, if pros start to not participate to a tournament because they have no chance of winning there would only be koreans in every tournament ...
Besides if I'm not mistaken he took part in Homestory Cup and if I remember well he speaks english ? It's weird because it's not like he'd lose a lot of money by going to China.
The OP is worded poorly. He says in his statement that most people in China don't speak English, so he will have a problem communicating and finding anything to do during his down time and will be bored. He says there's also no possibility of training, which I don't really understand. Don't they give these guys computers to train/warm-up on before the competition?
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WCG being "low level competition" -> Happy still doesn't think he can place high.
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#loser
language, boring? didnt he play a plenty of wc3 tourneys in China before?
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On October 25 2012 00:14 divito wrote:
WCG has shown "regression" because of players like Happy making the decisions they do. Take pride in representing your country like gamers used to do in the past. Stop making it about the money and how you'll actually have to interact and participate before and after the event. Many players would like the chance to experience something like this.
WCG is no longer the SC2 tournament where players represent their country and such. (I guess it never was for SC2). WCS has replaced WCG as this type of tournament for SC2, with national qual's, continental finals, etc...
The way WCG has declined, I'm not surprised that players are pulling out.
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Reasonable and logical decision. Nobody cares about WCG anymore anyways.
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yeah you never seem to hear a whole lot of hype for wcg, at least not as much compared to mlg.. also whatre they gonna do to him, go to his house and steal his computer?
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since WCS is there, WCG should just drop their sc2 tourney. One failing world championship ish tournament is enough (iesf).
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Well, he should probably just stop playing Starcraft if he started playing it for the money. This makes no sense, and all I see are poor excuses for a great opportunity. What a baby...
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he could just fucking learn english
User was warned for this post
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On October 25 2012 00:52 SoloZergg wrote:
Well, he should probably just stop playing Starcraft if he started playing it for the money. This makes no sense, and all I see are poor excuses for a great opportunity. What a baby...
A lot of pros play for money. It's kind of their job.
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On October 25 2012 00:52 SoloZergg wrote:
Well, he should probably just stop playing Starcraft if he started playing it for the money. This makes no sense, and all I see are poor excuses for a great opportunity. What a baby...
what world do you live in? ofc he plays for money, as most pros do and have to do.
On October 25 2012 00:52 ROOTFayth wrote:
he could just fucking learn english
his english is quite good, especially for a russian guy. he casted decently at the last HomeStoryCup
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On October 25 2012 00:14 divito wrote:
WCG has shown "regression" because of players like Happy making the decisions they do. Take pride in representing your country like gamers used to do in the past. Stop making it about the money and how you'll actually have to interact and participate before and after the event. Many players would like the chance to experience something like this.
And people fail to realize what WCG actually is; it's the marketing arm of Samsung, and as much as it's a competition, that's always been a competing focus to the digital and commercial convention that it also is. Comparable in a way to what Blizzcon tried to do.
Lol are you serious? It's the players fault?
No, it's not. Did you not see the poor excuse of a tournament WCG USA was?
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On October 25 2012 00:03 Shadow_Dog wrote:TL;DT After winning WCG Russia, Happy has declined his slot in WCG grand finals. His reasons: 1. WCG has shown only regression; turned from top level competition to a big commercial area with a decreasing prize pool. 2. Does not want to go because they bring people 2 days before the event; you do nothing until your matches and after you're eliminated there is nothing to do because of language barriers (english). 3. Does not think he has a chance to place in the money.
4. Does not see the benefit in just participating in it without winning it.He will be replaced by TurukHappy will be penalized by WCG. Happy and Team Empire's StatementSource: GoodGame.ru
Sorry, but the bolded are honestly some of the most garbage excuses I have EVER read in my life.
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On October 25 2012 00:08 Nerchio wrote:
I wonder what 'Happy will be penalized by WCG' means since i can't see them punishing him in any way. It's not like a player has to go to an event if he doesn't want to. National qualifiers have almost nothing to do with the global finals.
Probably exclude him from their future events. Which is not really painful for him, considering WCG isn't really a worthwhile or even prestigious tournament anymore.
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I dont get the second part of number 2...
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WCG used to be such an honor. This make me sadder.
Random fact: WCG was almost responsible for the death of Kal (a great bw protoss player) as he fell in a pool and almost drowned. Thank god he didn't die though. Seriously, thank Flash for saving Kal from his horrible death. Flash also used this moment to learn everything about the protoss soul by siphoning it from Kal as his soul was leaveing Kal during the near death moments. Kal would be thankful for his life but it would unfortunately begin the final slump of his career.
source: Kal Almost Drowns
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On October 25 2012 00:52 ROOTFayth wrote:
he could just fucking learn english
He says no one in China speaks English, not him.
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On October 25 2012 00:03 Shadow_Dog wrote:TL;DT After winning WCG Russia, Happy has declined his slot in WCG grand finals. His reasons: 1. WCG has shown only regression; turned from top level competition to a big commercial area with a decreasing prize pool. 2. Does not want to go because they bring people 2 days before the event; you do nothing until your matches and after you're eliminated there is nothing to do because of language barriers (english). 3. Does not think he has a chance to place in the money. 4. Does not see the benefit in just participating in it without winning it. He will be replaced by TurukHappy will be penalized by WCG. Happy and Team Empire's StatementSource: GoodGame.ru
WCG will penalize Happy? How are they suppose to do that?
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On October 25 2012 01:01 shockaslim wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 00:03 Shadow_Dog wrote:TL;DT After winning WCG Russia, Happy has declined his slot in WCG grand finals. His reasons: 1. WCG has shown only regression; turned from top level competition to a big commercial area with a decreasing prize pool. 2. Does not want to go because they bring people 2 days before the event; you do nothing until your matches and after you're eliminated there is nothing to do because of language barriers (english). 3. Does not think he has a chance to place in the money.
4. Does not see the benefit in just participating in it without winning it.He will be replaced by TurukHappy will be penalized by WCG. Happy and Team Empire's StatementSource: GoodGame.ru Sorry, but the bolded are honestly some of the most garbage excuses I have EVER read in my life.
Would you fly to China for a minimum of three days all by yourself for a tournament that is barely followed in the foreign scene? You have neither money nor prestige on the line, I can't really blame him for that.
The "be proud to represent your country" tournament is for me WCS, Blizz did a good job with that one - well produced, adequate price pool, enough information beforehand etc. Just before this year's WCG circuit started, it wasn't even clear that there would be SC2 included (remember the mobile game only thing?).
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About being a professional etc, he basically says, that he can't be compared to other people in other, more recognized sports because the prizes and salaries are very different. And that since this is his primary income, he sees it as a waste of time to go there, since he doesn't see himself placing high enough to win any prize money.
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On October 25 2012 00:57 SniXSniPe wrote:
Lol are you serious? It's the players fault?
No, it's not. Did you not see the poor excuse of a tournament WCG USA was?
Players not accepting paid travel to events and to represent their country because of <insert excuse here> is the reason the talent pool has been diluted over the years.
WCG has always had issues with finding competent organizers to run qualification tournaments. Canada and the USA have been no different in that regard; sometimes no one competent shows up, and WCG USA obviously had their issues.
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I've done a more complete translation:
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1) Like I've said before in several interviews, imo WCG has gone severely downhill the last couple of years (and I've been there 4 times now). First of all the tournament has gone from being a top eSports event for real professionals to a commercial playground where over 95% of attendees are fans/amateurs. The prize purse in in decline and each year the organization of the tournament becomes worse as well.
2) Of course, the fact that I do not wish to attend WCG is solely my own problem. I do not want to travel to a tournament that is run so poorly and likes to have players arrive 2 days in advance. This means that after you arrive, you have to mess around for at least a day. Also, for some reason, the organization always tries to stall the games/tour for as long as possible, with the first games starting early in the morning and ending in the middle of the day.
What players are supposed to do after the games, especially in a country where hardly anyone speaks English, isn't thought of. I personally cannot stand this and prefer not to endure such torture for a week. It's also worth mentioning that there's no opportunity to practice anywhere.
3) Furthermore, I admit that I don't believe that I have a significant chance of a high placement in this tournament. I've recently said how my professional career has been this last year - and those who have seen my interviews with WCG Russia know this - and that I am currently not in the right mood/state to be confident in a high placing at WCG. I'm not denying that this is my own, and only my own problem, but at the moment I cannot change anything about it.
4) So now, a conclusion to the previous paragraphs. I'm a professional eSports player, and if anyone says that it's more important to participate than it is to win, I would like to strongly disagree. The level of earnings in eSports (both wages and prizes) is not comparable to any recognized sport. Secondly, for me the term professional means that this is my job and this occupation is my main source of income. In my potential participation in the WCG Finals I only see a waste of time.
Obviously, these aren't the only reasons for my decision, but the others are personal, and I think that I have shed enough light on this matter with this statement.
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Then in the comments people saying Zerg is imba and he should've mentioned that this is also a reason.
And more importantly maybe, StrangeR (empire manager, I believe) says that he does not yet know anything about a fine from WCG.
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I am not liking this at all. I was not expecting this to happen in a professional scene ever. The trip is paid, you get to hang out with quite a lot of people, get to see China a bit. This sounds pretty much like he said no to some friends that wanted to get him out of the house for a bit. ^_^
BOO HOO!
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Well his decision comes way in advance so the tournament has enough time to react to it. So it should be ok for any reason to withdraw. Furthermore WCG is on the same weekend as IPL5 is, and I expect more players to withdraw from it, since it doesn't even give you a lot of exposure, because it's little broadcasted.
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Lol WCG's not in any position to be punishing people since there are way more tournaments now than there were a few years ago. Can't blame Happy for choosing not to participate, WCG really has been getting bad last year and this year.
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Pulling out to relieve yourself from a losing situation, can't really blame him. As a professional gamer though, it's a pretty weak stance.
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Well he's honest about it and those are some fair points on his oppinion, i was looking forward to see Happy play but there are more tournements out there.
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On October 25 2012 01:34 TAMinator wrote:
Pulling out to relieve yourself from a losing situation, can't really blame him. As a professional gamer though, it's a pretty weak stance.
I've noticed many people share this opinion, but why? It's exactly the other way around. BECAUSE he is a professional player, he should play games for which he feels prepared and confident and skip the rest. This is done in every sport. Tennis players skip tournaments when they aren't prepared, football players aren't set up when they don't feel 100%, etc.
He explained it in his statement, this is his source of income and for him it's not beneficial to waste a week traveling+waiting and not winning anything, time that he could use training and maybe win some online cup or so.
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while i respect and understand Happy's withdrawl, it just seems kind of like a cop out. they don't speak english so i don't want to go. they bring us 2 days early and there's nothing to do. etc etc. so DO something, make friends, etc? or request a translator for a group of foreigners to see if it can be done. then complaining that since he doesn't think he'll place in the bigger money he won't even attend? this is the very antithesis of what the WCG and WCS was supposed to represent.
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Thinking short term is ridiculous. Short term = Oh no money in this tournament therfore this is not worthy of my time. The more intelligent long-term thinking is...oh if I win this tournament then this will give me more prestige to my name and ultimately earn me more money via more tournament invites and stream viewers. Sure the WCG may not be as prestigious as it used to be, but it still is one more merit to add to your name, which makes you more equitable. And in regards to quitting due to not believing you can win, that is just an excuse. Quitting before even trying is pathetic in not just SC2, but everything in life.
In all honesty, he would have been safer just saying he is not attending due to "personal reasons".
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On October 25 2012 00:24 Razac wrote:
WTF = only thing i can say.
A list of excuses to hide the real thing we probably will never know.
What? Why would he list excuses like these to hide something else? The excuses are really bad if you want to save face...
I mean he is basically shit talking the tournament and his own skills. Why can't we just take the reasons for what they are? I think you read far too much into this.
Anyway good call for you Happy. If that is how you feel I certainly won't hold it against you. Best of luck in the future.
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On October 25 2012 00:25 mikedebo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 00:10 GTR wrote:
What the hell is WCG going to do to Happy? Ban him from future WCG's? They could tweet that Empire.Happy actually encouraged Crank to leave Slayers and the rest will take care of itself...
Genius.
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How is this any different than players not wanting to go to Korea to take their Code A/S spots after qualifying through MLG, which has happened countless times?
I mean yeah the trip is paid for in this case, but it's not like players would be paying for it themselves either way.
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Well, Blizzard's tournament is the SC2 world championship event now. WCG is kinda irrelevant, so I don't care.
I'd still attend if only for fun if I was Happy, but maybe he travels so much he's gotten disillusioned with it :p
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This is so sad. People always cry that pro's etc only give generic statements and never say what they really think. This guy actually has the courtesy of explaining his decision and the community shits on him as a result. Good job, next time he will just say that is he "unable to participate" for undisclosed reasons.
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I guess his reasons are "fair enough", but why did he take part in the Russian WCG in the first place if he had no intention of participating? Besides, winning price money isn't the ultimate end of visiting tournaments, you get experience and the ability to flaunt your sponsors.
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On October 25 2012 01:43 Incomplet wrote:
Thinking short term is ridiculous. Short term = Oh no money in this tournament therfore this is not worthy of my time. The more intelligent long-term thinking is...oh if I win this tournament then this will give me more prestige to my name and ultimately earn me more money via more tournament invites and stream viewers. Sure the WCG may not be as prestigious as it used to be, but it still is one more merit to add to your name, which makes you more equitable. And in regards to quitting due to not believing you can win, that is just an excuse. Quitting before even trying is pathetic in not just SC2, but everything in life.
In all honesty, he would have been safer just saying he is not attending due to "personal reasons".
reading comprehension: Happy doesn't think he can reach the prize pool so winning the tournament... lol.
Yeah sure you can bash a player without even reading, good job sir.
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On October 25 2012 02:04 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 01:43 Incomplet wrote:
Thinking short term is ridiculous. Short term = Oh no money in this tournament therfore this is not worthy of my time. The more intelligent long-term thinking is...oh if I win this tournament then this will give me more prestige to my name and ultimately earn me more money via more tournament invites and stream viewers. Sure the WCG may not be as prestigious as it used to be, but it still is one more merit to add to your name, which makes you more equitable. And in regards to quitting due to not believing you can win, that is just an excuse. Quitting before even trying is pathetic in not just SC2, but everything in life.
In all honesty, he would have been safer just saying he is not attending due to "personal reasons". reading comprehension: Happy doesn't think he can reach the prize pool so winning the tournament... lol. Yeah sure you can bash a player without even reading, good job sir.
So giving up before even trying? Pathetic.
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On October 25 2012 00:52 ROOTFayth wrote:
he could just fucking learn english
or you could learn to read.
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On October 25 2012 01:01 shockaslim wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 00:03 Shadow_Dog wrote:TL;DT After winning WCG Russia, Happy has declined his slot in WCG grand finals. His reasons: 1. WCG has shown only regression; turned from top level competition to a big commercial area with a decreasing prize pool. 2. Does not want to go because they bring people 2 days before the event; you do nothing until your matches and after you're eliminated there is nothing to do because of language barriers (english). 3. Does not think he has a chance to place in the money.
4. Does not see the benefit in just participating in it without winning it.He will be replaced by TurukHappy will be penalized by WCG. Happy and Team Empire's StatementSource: GoodGame.ru Sorry, but the bolded are honestly some of the most garbage excuses I have EVER read in my life.
Good thing you're a nobody whose opinion means nothing to Happy, then.
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What's with the Happy-hate? You're all a bunch of unintelligent nobodies compared to him. You jelly?
User was temp banned for this post.
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On October 25 2012 02:12 Incomplet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 02:04 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 01:43 Incomplet wrote:
Thinking short term is ridiculous. Short term = Oh no money in this tournament therfore this is not worthy of my time. The more intelligent long-term thinking is...oh if I win this tournament then this will give me more prestige to my name and ultimately earn me more money via more tournament invites and stream viewers. Sure the WCG may not be as prestigious as it used to be, but it still is one more merit to add to your name, which makes you more equitable. And in regards to quitting due to not believing you can win, that is just an excuse. Quitting before even trying is pathetic in not just SC2, but everything in life.
In all honesty, he would have been safer just saying he is not attending due to "personal reasons". reading comprehension: Happy doesn't think he can reach the prize pool so winning the tournament... lol. Yeah sure you can bash a player without even reading, good job sir. So giving up before even trying? Pathetic.
Using his time wisely by training is the long term mentality, instead of wasting 4+days for a tournament which won't be too much followed by the western audience (dunno about Russia but it'd surprise me greatly if it was different) and in which he won't gain any reocgnition/money.
You know the thing every athlete does by skipping useless/low profile event if they're good enough.
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On October 25 2012 02:19 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 02:12 Incomplet wrote:On October 25 2012 02:04 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 01:43 Incomplet wrote:
Thinking short term is ridiculous. Short term = Oh no money in this tournament therfore this is not worthy of my time. The more intelligent long-term thinking is...oh if I win this tournament then this will give me more prestige to my name and ultimately earn me more money via more tournament invites and stream viewers. Sure the WCG may not be as prestigious as it used to be, but it still is one more merit to add to your name, which makes you more equitable. And in regards to quitting due to not believing you can win, that is just an excuse. Quitting before even trying is pathetic in not just SC2, but everything in life.
In all honesty, he would have been safer just saying he is not attending due to "personal reasons". reading comprehension: Happy doesn't think he can reach the prize pool so winning the tournament... lol. Yeah sure you can bash a player without even reading, good job sir. So giving up before even trying? Pathetic. Using his time wisely by training is the long term mentality, instead of wasting 4+days for a tournament which won't be too much followed by the western audience (dunno about Russia but it'd surprise me greatly if it was different) and in which he won't gain any reocgnition/money. You know the thing every athlete does by skipping useless/low profile event if they're good enough.
Then why was he in WCG Russia? He isn't skipping the event, he's pulling out after winning the Russian part.
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On October 25 2012 02:19 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 02:12 Incomplet wrote:On October 25 2012 02:04 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 01:43 Incomplet wrote:
Thinking short term is ridiculous. Short term = Oh no money in this tournament therfore this is not worthy of my time. The more intelligent long-term thinking is...oh if I win this tournament then this will give me more prestige to my name and ultimately earn me more money via more tournament invites and stream viewers. Sure the WCG may not be as prestigious as it used to be, but it still is one more merit to add to your name, which makes you more equitable. And in regards to quitting due to not believing you can win, that is just an excuse. Quitting before even trying is pathetic in not just SC2, but everything in life.
In all honesty, he would have been safer just saying he is not attending due to "personal reasons". reading comprehension: Happy doesn't think he can reach the prize pool so winning the tournament... lol. Yeah sure you can bash a player without even reading, good job sir. So giving up before even trying? Pathetic. Using his time wisely by training is the long term mentality, instead of wasting 4+days for a tournament which won't be too much followed by the western audience (dunno about Russia but it'd surprise me greatly if it was different) and in which he won't gain any reocgnition/money. You know the thing every athlete does by skipping useless/low profile event if they're good enough.
Well thats my point. No bash intended on Happy's skill, but there is no doubt that he really isnt that high profile out there. If you are a MVP or Stephano or Life or Taeja, you get invited to so many premiere tournaments that they can afford to pick and choose. But for someone like happy and to be frank, the majority of progamers, they need to take what they can grab and try to make the most out of it.
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On October 25 2012 02:20 Kasaraki wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 02:19 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 02:12 Incomplet wrote:On October 25 2012 02:04 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 01:43 Incomplet wrote:
Thinking short term is ridiculous. Short term = Oh no money in this tournament therfore this is not worthy of my time. The more intelligent long-term thinking is...oh if I win this tournament then this will give me more prestige to my name and ultimately earn me more money via more tournament invites and stream viewers. Sure the WCG may not be as prestigious as it used to be, but it still is one more merit to add to your name, which makes you more equitable. And in regards to quitting due to not believing you can win, that is just an excuse. Quitting before even trying is pathetic in not just SC2, but everything in life.
In all honesty, he would have been safer just saying he is not attending due to "personal reasons". reading comprehension: Happy doesn't think he can reach the prize pool so winning the tournament... lol. Yeah sure you can bash a player without even reading, good job sir. So giving up before even trying? Pathetic. Using his time wisely by training is the long term mentality, instead of wasting 4+days for a tournament which won't be too much followed by the western audience (dunno about Russia but it'd surprise me greatly if it was different) and in which he won't gain any reocgnition/money. You know the thing every athlete does by skipping useless/low profile event if they're good enough. Then why was he in WCG Russia? He isn't skipping the event, he's pulling out after winning the Russian part.
i'm not in his shoes but:
Easier/money recognition, tournament was more accessible (point 1 and 2), he wasn't sure about going to China/was sure he wouldn't go (this one is questionnable)
Was not aware of the tournament schedule/condition in China (considering WCS history).
Basically doing a lan in Russia for a russian player can't be bad, going to China for 4+ days is an entirely other thing.
/e @ Incomplet, the problem is that you're 100% sure a Korean will win the event, and if they don't eliminate themselves they'll just get the top spots. Happy has probably better opportunities tournament wise in Russia/CEI and he'll be in all Dreamhack/Assembly if he wishes too since he's good enough to make a run. I agree he won't win (well he's Eu and T, that's already a proof :D) but he can get decent prize money.
This WCG is really stupid for foreigners, totally overshadowed by WCS and still no hope to win while having to travel to China. (it's faaaaaaaar from being a premier tournament)
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Where dat snitch at?37033 Posts
It's cool Happy. The things you stated are true anyways. Best of luck!
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People giving him shit should at least consider the fact that Happy is a WCG Veteran (4 Time Russia's Champ)
And its a shame that players of his caliber feel this way about WCG and this has been going on for the last few years
No one who has actually been following the scene be able to deny that.
Also by no means the timing of this is in any way related to all the recent sc2 drama as Happy was hinting about making this statement pretty much as soon as he won WCG Russia's Playoffs in which he only played because the WCG organizers denied his to request to forfeit his spot to BratOK which he knocked out in quarters of the qualifiers when on the other hand another player (cant remember who now) got did not attend and got replaced no problems...
I understand beginner wannabe pro-gamers could be calling his decisions disgraceful as they would do anything to be in his shoes.
Edit: Also after the WCG Ru finals he stated that he may be taking a long break from events to focus on the game and could be changing his race, even tho he has been pretty successful he can not really explain why he wins or loses games which hurts his confidence as he feels he has no control over his games.
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On October 25 2012 02:24 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 02:20 Kasaraki wrote:On October 25 2012 02:19 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 02:12 Incomplet wrote:On October 25 2012 02:04 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 01:43 Incomplet wrote:
Thinking short term is ridiculous. Short term = Oh no money in this tournament therfore this is not worthy of my time. The more intelligent long-term thinking is...oh if I win this tournament then this will give me more prestige to my name and ultimately earn me more money via more tournament invites and stream viewers. Sure the WCG may not be as prestigious as it used to be, but it still is one more merit to add to your name, which makes you more equitable. And in regards to quitting due to not believing you can win, that is just an excuse. Quitting before even trying is pathetic in not just SC2, but everything in life.
In all honesty, he would have been safer just saying he is not attending due to "personal reasons". reading comprehension: Happy doesn't think he can reach the prize pool so winning the tournament... lol. Yeah sure you can bash a player without even reading, good job sir. So giving up before even trying? Pathetic. Using his time wisely by training is the long term mentality, instead of wasting 4+days for a tournament which won't be too much followed by the western audience (dunno about Russia but it'd surprise me greatly if it was different) and in which he won't gain any reocgnition/money. You know the thing every athlete does by skipping useless/low profile event if they're good enough. Then why was he in WCG Russia? He isn't skipping the event, he's pulling out after winning the Russian part. i'm not in his shoes but: Easier/money recognition, tournament was more accessible (point 1 and 2), he wasn't sure about going to China/was sure he wouldn't go (this one is questionnable) Was not aware of the tournament schedule/condition in China (considering WCS history). Basically doing a lan in Russia for a russian player can't be bad, going to China for 4+ days is an entirely other thing. /e @ Incomplet, the problem is that you're 100% sure a Korean will win the event, and if they don't eliminate themselves they'll just get the top spots. Happy has probably better opportunities tournament wise in Russia/CEI and he'll be in all Dreamhack/Assembly if he wishes too since he's good enough to make a run. I agree he won't win (well he's Eu and T, that's already a proof :D) but he can get decent prize money. This WCG is really stupid for foreigners, totally overshadowed by WCS and still no hope to win while having to travel to China. (it's faaaaaaaar from being a premier tournament)
Well thats the thing...if foreigners run away from Koreans then they will never improve. To be the best, you have to compete among the best. If foreigners restrain themselves to only tournaments without Koreans, keep expecting the top 8 in every premiere foreign event to be Korean, with Stephano sneaking in there around 6th place. And to be frank, I have been to China and I got around fine without knowing a single word of Chinese. A friendly person can easily befriend other people who dont speak their native language by using broken English and hand signs - or even a pocket dictionary. A simple warm smile can go a long way.
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On October 25 2012 02:38 Incomplet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 02:24 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 02:20 Kasaraki wrote:On October 25 2012 02:19 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 02:12 Incomplet wrote:On October 25 2012 02:04 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 01:43 Incomplet wrote:
Thinking short term is ridiculous. Short term = Oh no money in this tournament therfore this is not worthy of my time. The more intelligent long-term thinking is...oh if I win this tournament then this will give me more prestige to my name and ultimately earn me more money via more tournament invites and stream viewers. Sure the WCG may not be as prestigious as it used to be, but it still is one more merit to add to your name, which makes you more equitable. And in regards to quitting due to not believing you can win, that is just an excuse. Quitting before even trying is pathetic in not just SC2, but everything in life.
In all honesty, he would have been safer just saying he is not attending due to "personal reasons". reading comprehension: Happy doesn't think he can reach the prize pool so winning the tournament... lol. Yeah sure you can bash a player without even reading, good job sir. So giving up before even trying? Pathetic. Using his time wisely by training is the long term mentality, instead of wasting 4+days for a tournament which won't be too much followed by the western audience (dunno about Russia but it'd surprise me greatly if it was different) and in which he won't gain any reocgnition/money. You know the thing every athlete does by skipping useless/low profile event if they're good enough. Then why was he in WCG Russia? He isn't skipping the event, he's pulling out after winning the Russian part. i'm not in his shoes but: Easier/money recognition, tournament was more accessible (point 1 and 2), he wasn't sure about going to China/was sure he wouldn't go (this one is questionnable) Was not aware of the tournament schedule/condition in China (considering WCS history). Basically doing a lan in Russia for a russian player can't be bad, going to China for 4+ days is an entirely other thing. /e @ Incomplet, the problem is that you're 100% sure a Korean will win the event, and if they don't eliminate themselves they'll just get the top spots. Happy has probably better opportunities tournament wise in Russia/CEI and he'll be in all Dreamhack/Assembly if he wishes too since he's good enough to make a run. I agree he won't win (well he's Eu and T, that's already a proof :D) but he can get decent prize money. This WCG is really stupid for foreigners, totally overshadowed by WCS and still no hope to win while having to travel to China. (it's faaaaaaaar from being a premier tournament) Well thats the thing...if foreigners run away from Koreans then they will never improve. To be the best, you have to compete among the best. If foreigners restrain themselves to only tournaments without Koreans, keep expecting the top 8 in every premiere foreign event to be Korean, with Stephano sneaking in there around 6th place. And to be frank, I have been to China and I got around fine without knowing a single word of Chinese. A friendly person can easily befriend other people who dont speak their native language by using broken English and hand signs - or even a pocket dictionary. A simple warm smile can go a long way.
Playing a single bo3 against a korean won't do anything. You either go to Korea and train with them or accept that you stay behind (and further behind with the surge of Kespa pros, Rain against a foreigner could be funny, especially PvT lol). Just compare WCS and WCG to understand his decision, one is shitty and has close to 0 benefits if you don't reach the prize money, the other will be like the most prestigious tournament of the year (despite not being the harder by a huge margin)
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On October 25 2012 02:42 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 02:38 Incomplet wrote:On October 25 2012 02:24 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 02:20 Kasaraki wrote:On October 25 2012 02:19 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 02:12 Incomplet wrote:On October 25 2012 02:04 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 01:43 Incomplet wrote:
Thinking short term is ridiculous. Short term = Oh no money in this tournament therfore this is not worthy of my time. The more intelligent long-term thinking is...oh if I win this tournament then this will give me more prestige to my name and ultimately earn me more money via more tournament invites and stream viewers. Sure the WCG may not be as prestigious as it used to be, but it still is one more merit to add to your name, which makes you more equitable. And in regards to quitting due to not believing you can win, that is just an excuse. Quitting before even trying is pathetic in not just SC2, but everything in life.
In all honesty, he would have been safer just saying he is not attending due to "personal reasons". reading comprehension: Happy doesn't think he can reach the prize pool so winning the tournament... lol. Yeah sure you can bash a player without even reading, good job sir. So giving up before even trying? Pathetic. Using his time wisely by training is the long term mentality, instead of wasting 4+days for a tournament which won't be too much followed by the western audience (dunno about Russia but it'd surprise me greatly if it was different) and in which he won't gain any reocgnition/money. You know the thing every athlete does by skipping useless/low profile event if they're good enough. Then why was he in WCG Russia? He isn't skipping the event, he's pulling out after winning the Russian part. i'm not in his shoes but: Easier/money recognition, tournament was more accessible (point 1 and 2), he wasn't sure about going to China/was sure he wouldn't go (this one is questionnable) Was not aware of the tournament schedule/condition in China (considering WCS history). Basically doing a lan in Russia for a russian player can't be bad, going to China for 4+ days is an entirely other thing. /e @ Incomplet, the problem is that you're 100% sure a Korean will win the event, and if they don't eliminate themselves they'll just get the top spots. Happy has probably better opportunities tournament wise in Russia/CEI and he'll be in all Dreamhack/Assembly if he wishes too since he's good enough to make a run. I agree he won't win (well he's Eu and T, that's already a proof :D) but he can get decent prize money. This WCG is really stupid for foreigners, totally overshadowed by WCS and still no hope to win while having to travel to China. (it's faaaaaaaar from being a premier tournament) Well thats the thing...if foreigners run away from Koreans then they will never improve. To be the best, you have to compete among the best. If foreigners restrain themselves to only tournaments without Koreans, keep expecting the top 8 in every premiere foreign event to be Korean, with Stephano sneaking in there around 6th place. And to be frank, I have been to China and I got around fine without knowing a single word of Chinese. A friendly person can easily befriend other people who dont speak their native language by using broken English and hand signs - or even a pocket dictionary. A simple warm smile can go a long way. Playing a single bo3 against a korean won't do anything. You either go to Korea and train with them or accept that you stay behind (and further behind with the surge of Kespa pros, Rain against a foreigner could be funny, especially PvT lol). Just compare WCS and WCG to understand his decision, one is shitty and has close to 0 benefits if you don't reach the prize money, the other will be like the most prestigious tournament of the year (despite not being the harder by a huge margin)
Most certainly the WCS is more prestigious than the WCG in SC2, the thing is that whole argument is redundant in this particular case because Happy isn't in the WCS! Like I mentioned before, if you are a low-profile player like Happy, then you take what you can get and make the most out of it. Hell look at Hyun and the amount of hype he got from IPL Fight Club. He has won 10 weeks in a row and its a damn online tournament! Yet these achievements still make the Up and Down Writeups.
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Basically, he says that there is no point in him going. He will get a huge jet lag, which will make him underpreform, he will spend most of his time in hotel doing nothing, since there is no chance for players to train nor anything else good to do. And to top it all off, prize money are really far.
I don't really get the bashing at Happy. Tournament is considered good because of it's history, so a lot of players come there to compete. Tournament will be popular and successful regardless of how players will be treated or how will they preform. Therefore, management just abuse the hell out of it. Happy just got some respect towards himself.
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EmpireHappy can speak english... (nearly fluently)
But its true that WCG is a joke today in comparison to ~WCG 2002-2009
WCG 2010 showed the first weakness.
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On October 25 2012 00:25 mikedebo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 00:10 GTR wrote:
What the hell is WCG going to do to Happy? Ban him from future WCG's? They could tweet that Empire.Happy actually encouraged Crank to leave Slayers and the rest will take care of itself...
haha
Shame really, I love Happy and would love to see him at WCG 
I always like to watch where he is on EU ladder.
gl happy
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On October 25 2012 02:47 Incomplet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 02:42 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 02:38 Incomplet wrote:On October 25 2012 02:24 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 02:20 Kasaraki wrote:On October 25 2012 02:19 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 02:12 Incomplet wrote:On October 25 2012 02:04 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 01:43 Incomplet wrote:
Thinking short term is ridiculous. Short term = Oh no money in this tournament therfore this is not worthy of my time. The more intelligent long-term thinking is...oh if I win this tournament then this will give me more prestige to my name and ultimately earn me more money via more tournament invites and stream viewers. Sure the WCG may not be as prestigious as it used to be, but it still is one more merit to add to your name, which makes you more equitable. And in regards to quitting due to not believing you can win, that is just an excuse. Quitting before even trying is pathetic in not just SC2, but everything in life.
In all honesty, he would have been safer just saying he is not attending due to "personal reasons". reading comprehension: Happy doesn't think he can reach the prize pool so winning the tournament... lol. Yeah sure you can bash a player without even reading, good job sir. So giving up before even trying? Pathetic. Using his time wisely by training is the long term mentality, instead of wasting 4+days for a tournament which won't be too much followed by the western audience (dunno about Russia but it'd surprise me greatly if it was different) and in which he won't gain any reocgnition/money. You know the thing every athlete does by skipping useless/low profile event if they're good enough. Then why was he in WCG Russia? He isn't skipping the event, he's pulling out after winning the Russian part. i'm not in his shoes but: Easier/money recognition, tournament was more accessible (point 1 and 2), he wasn't sure about going to China/was sure he wouldn't go (this one is questionnable) Was not aware of the tournament schedule/condition in China (considering WCS history). Basically doing a lan in Russia for a russian player can't be bad, going to China for 4+ days is an entirely other thing. /e @ Incomplet, the problem is that you're 100% sure a Korean will win the event, and if they don't eliminate themselves they'll just get the top spots. Happy has probably better opportunities tournament wise in Russia/CEI and he'll be in all Dreamhack/Assembly if he wishes too since he's good enough to make a run. I agree he won't win (well he's Eu and T, that's already a proof :D) but he can get decent prize money. This WCG is really stupid for foreigners, totally overshadowed by WCS and still no hope to win while having to travel to China. (it's faaaaaaaar from being a premier tournament) Well thats the thing...if foreigners run away from Koreans then they will never improve. To be the best, you have to compete among the best. If foreigners restrain themselves to only tournaments without Koreans, keep expecting the top 8 in every premiere foreign event to be Korean, with Stephano sneaking in there around 6th place. And to be frank, I have been to China and I got around fine without knowing a single word of Chinese. A friendly person can easily befriend other people who dont speak their native language by using broken English and hand signs - or even a pocket dictionary. A simple warm smile can go a long way. Playing a single bo3 against a korean won't do anything. You either go to Korea and train with them or accept that you stay behind (and further behind with the surge of Kespa pros, Rain against a foreigner could be funny, especially PvT lol). Just compare WCS and WCG to understand his decision, one is shitty and has close to 0 benefits if you don't reach the prize money, the other will be like the most prestigious tournament of the year (despite not being the harder by a huge margin) Most certainly the WCS is more prestigious than the WCG in SC2, the thing is that whole argument is redundant in this particular case because Happy isn't in the WCS! Like I mentioned before, if you are a low-profile player like Happy, then you take what you can get and make the most out of it. Hell look at Hyun and the amount of hype he got from IPL Fight Club. He has won 10 weeks in a row and its a damn online tournament! Yet these achievements still make the Up and Down Writeups.
you're comparing an online bo9 with some solid cash to a tournament in China for a Russian player?
Really?
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That sucks, he's one of my favorite terrans to watch :<
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On October 25 2012 00:52 ROOTFayth wrote:
he could just fucking learn english
...and you obviously can't read for shit.
The man does what he feels is the best for his eSports career. I doubt I would take the same decisions if I were in his shoes but alas I am not.
Also, what can WCG possibly do to penalize him? He chose not to go... it's not like banning him from competing would do much.
Edit: Typo
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On October 25 2012 02:53 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 02:47 Incomplet wrote:On October 25 2012 02:42 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 02:38 Incomplet wrote:On October 25 2012 02:24 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 02:20 Kasaraki wrote:On October 25 2012 02:19 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 02:12 Incomplet wrote:On October 25 2012 02:04 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 01:43 Incomplet wrote:
Thinking short term is ridiculous. Short term = Oh no money in this tournament therfore this is not worthy of my time. The more intelligent long-term thinking is...oh if I win this tournament then this will give me more prestige to my name and ultimately earn me more money via more tournament invites and stream viewers. Sure the WCG may not be as prestigious as it used to be, but it still is one more merit to add to your name, which makes you more equitable. And in regards to quitting due to not believing you can win, that is just an excuse. Quitting before even trying is pathetic in not just SC2, but everything in life.
In all honesty, he would have been safer just saying he is not attending due to "personal reasons". reading comprehension: Happy doesn't think he can reach the prize pool so winning the tournament... lol. Yeah sure you can bash a player without even reading, good job sir. So giving up before even trying? Pathetic. Using his time wisely by training is the long term mentality, instead of wasting 4+days for a tournament which won't be too much followed by the western audience (dunno about Russia but it'd surprise me greatly if it was different) and in which he won't gain any reocgnition/money. You know the thing every athlete does by skipping useless/low profile event if they're good enough. Then why was he in WCG Russia? He isn't skipping the event, he's pulling out after winning the Russian part. i'm not in his shoes but: Easier/money recognition, tournament was more accessible (point 1 and 2), he wasn't sure about going to China/was sure he wouldn't go (this one is questionnable) Was not aware of the tournament schedule/condition in China (considering WCS history). Basically doing a lan in Russia for a russian player can't be bad, going to China for 4+ days is an entirely other thing. /e @ Incomplet, the problem is that you're 100% sure a Korean will win the event, and if they don't eliminate themselves they'll just get the top spots. Happy has probably better opportunities tournament wise in Russia/CEI and he'll be in all Dreamhack/Assembly if he wishes too since he's good enough to make a run. I agree he won't win (well he's Eu and T, that's already a proof :D) but he can get decent prize money. This WCG is really stupid for foreigners, totally overshadowed by WCS and still no hope to win while having to travel to China. (it's faaaaaaaar from being a premier tournament) Well thats the thing...if foreigners run away from Koreans then they will never improve. To be the best, you have to compete among the best. If foreigners restrain themselves to only tournaments without Koreans, keep expecting the top 8 in every premiere foreign event to be Korean, with Stephano sneaking in there around 6th place. And to be frank, I have been to China and I got around fine without knowing a single word of Chinese. A friendly person can easily befriend other people who dont speak their native language by using broken English and hand signs - or even a pocket dictionary. A simple warm smile can go a long way. Playing a single bo3 against a korean won't do anything. You either go to Korea and train with them or accept that you stay behind (and further behind with the surge of Kespa pros, Rain against a foreigner could be funny, especially PvT lol). Just compare WCS and WCG to understand his decision, one is shitty and has close to 0 benefits if you don't reach the prize money, the other will be like the most prestigious tournament of the year (despite not being the harder by a huge margin) Most certainly the WCS is more prestigious than the WCG in SC2, the thing is that whole argument is redundant in this particular case because Happy isn't in the WCS! Like I mentioned before, if you are a low-profile player like Happy, then you take what you can get and make the most out of it. Hell look at Hyun and the amount of hype he got from IPL Fight Club. He has won 10 weeks in a row and its a damn online tournament! Yet these achievements still make the Up and Down Writeups. you're comparing an online bo9 with some solid cash to a tournament in China for a Russian player? Really?
Again this relates back to the prestige thing. WCG may be small, but if you build up lots of small merits, it turns into something big. This is also a grand opportunity to build up experience, again relating back to the investment for the long-term. The whole comparison to Fight Club is that this is also a small lesser-known tournament, heck the LR threads only reach 10ish pages on average. However Hyun won so many times that it then became big and hence, well known and hyped up, as well as building up his own momentum and now has his spot in Code S. The whole point is, yes WCG may be small, but it could be the beginning of something great, and when you got a paid trip and accommodation, then it would be foolish to decline.
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On October 25 2012 03:07 Incomplet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 02:53 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 02:47 Incomplet wrote:On October 25 2012 02:42 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 02:38 Incomplet wrote:On October 25 2012 02:24 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 02:20 Kasaraki wrote:On October 25 2012 02:19 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 02:12 Incomplet wrote:On October 25 2012 02:04 sAsImre wrote:
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reading comprehension: Happy doesn't think he can reach the prize pool so winning the tournament... lol.
Yeah sure you can bash a player without even reading, good job sir. So giving up before even trying? Pathetic. Using his time wisely by training is the long term mentality, instead of wasting 4+days for a tournament which won't be too much followed by the western audience (dunno about Russia but it'd surprise me greatly if it was different) and in which he won't gain any reocgnition/money. You know the thing every athlete does by skipping useless/low profile event if they're good enough. Then why was he in WCG Russia? He isn't skipping the event, he's pulling out after winning the Russian part. i'm not in his shoes but: Easier/money recognition, tournament was more accessible (point 1 and 2), he wasn't sure about going to China/was sure he wouldn't go (this one is questionnable) Was not aware of the tournament schedule/condition in China (considering WCS history). Basically doing a lan in Russia for a russian player can't be bad, going to China for 4+ days is an entirely other thing. /e @ Incomplet, the problem is that you're 100% sure a Korean will win the event, and if they don't eliminate themselves they'll just get the top spots. Happy has probably better opportunities tournament wise in Russia/CEI and he'll be in all Dreamhack/Assembly if he wishes too since he's good enough to make a run. I agree he won't win (well he's Eu and T, that's already a proof :D) but he can get decent prize money. This WCG is really stupid for foreigners, totally overshadowed by WCS and still no hope to win while having to travel to China. (it's faaaaaaaar from being a premier tournament) Well thats the thing...if foreigners run away from Koreans then they will never improve. To be the best, you have to compete among the best. If foreigners restrain themselves to only tournaments without Koreans, keep expecting the top 8 in every premiere foreign event to be Korean, with Stephano sneaking in there around 6th place. And to be frank, I have been to China and I got around fine without knowing a single word of Chinese. A friendly person can easily befriend other people who dont speak their native language by using broken English and hand signs - or even a pocket dictionary. A simple warm smile can go a long way. Playing a single bo3 against a korean won't do anything. You either go to Korea and train with them or accept that you stay behind (and further behind with the surge of Kespa pros, Rain against a foreigner could be funny, especially PvT lol). Just compare WCS and WCG to understand his decision, one is shitty and has close to 0 benefits if you don't reach the prize money, the other will be like the most prestigious tournament of the year (despite not being the harder by a huge margin) Most certainly the WCS is more prestigious than the WCG in SC2, the thing is that whole argument is redundant in this particular case because Happy isn't in the WCS! Like I mentioned before, if you are a low-profile player like Happy, then you take what you can get and make the most out of it. Hell look at Hyun and the amount of hype he got from IPL Fight Club. He has won 10 weeks in a row and its a damn online tournament! Yet these achievements still make the Up and Down Writeups. you're comparing an online bo9 with some solid cash to a tournament in China for a Russian player? Really? Again this relates back to the prestige thing. WCG may be small, but if you build up lots of small merits, it turns into something big. This is also a grand opportunity to build up experience, again relating back to the investment for the long-term. The whole comparison to Fight Club is that this is also a small lesser-known tournament, heck the LR threads only reach 10ish pages on average. However Hyun won so many times that it then became big and hence, well known and hyped up, as well as building up his own momentum and now has his spot in Code S. The whole point is, yes WCG may be small, but it could be the beginning of something great, and when you got a paid trip and accommodation, then it would be foolish to decline.
WCG is most likely a 1week investment for a small return, which is the point you're unable to see apparently.
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On October 25 2012 03:10 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 03:07 Incomplet wrote:On October 25 2012 02:53 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 02:47 Incomplet wrote:On October 25 2012 02:42 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 02:38 Incomplet wrote:On October 25 2012 02:24 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 02:20 Kasaraki wrote:On October 25 2012 02:19 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 02:12 Incomplet wrote:
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So giving up before even trying? Pathetic. Using his time wisely by training is the long term mentality, instead of wasting 4+days for a tournament which won't be too much followed by the western audience (dunno about Russia but it'd surprise me greatly if it was different) and in which he won't gain any reocgnition/money. You know the thing every athlete does by skipping useless/low profile event if they're good enough. Then why was he in WCG Russia? He isn't skipping the event, he's pulling out after winning the Russian part. i'm not in his shoes but: Easier/money recognition, tournament was more accessible (point 1 and 2), he wasn't sure about going to China/was sure he wouldn't go (this one is questionnable) Was not aware of the tournament schedule/condition in China (considering WCS history). Basically doing a lan in Russia for a russian player can't be bad, going to China for 4+ days is an entirely other thing. /e @ Incomplet, the problem is that you're 100% sure a Korean will win the event, and if they don't eliminate themselves they'll just get the top spots. Happy has probably better opportunities tournament wise in Russia/CEI and he'll be in all Dreamhack/Assembly if he wishes too since he's good enough to make a run. I agree he won't win (well he's Eu and T, that's already a proof :D) but he can get decent prize money. This WCG is really stupid for foreigners, totally overshadowed by WCS and still no hope to win while having to travel to China. (it's faaaaaaaar from being a premier tournament) Well thats the thing...if foreigners run away from Koreans then they will never improve. To be the best, you have to compete among the best. If foreigners restrain themselves to only tournaments without Koreans, keep expecting the top 8 in every premiere foreign event to be Korean, with Stephano sneaking in there around 6th place. And to be frank, I have been to China and I got around fine without knowing a single word of Chinese. A friendly person can easily befriend other people who dont speak their native language by using broken English and hand signs - or even a pocket dictionary. A simple warm smile can go a long way. Playing a single bo3 against a korean won't do anything. You either go to Korea and train with them or accept that you stay behind (and further behind with the surge of Kespa pros, Rain against a foreigner could be funny, especially PvT lol). Just compare WCS and WCG to understand his decision, one is shitty and has close to 0 benefits if you don't reach the prize money, the other will be like the most prestigious tournament of the year (despite not being the harder by a huge margin) Most certainly the WCS is more prestigious than the WCG in SC2, the thing is that whole argument is redundant in this particular case because Happy isn't in the WCS! Like I mentioned before, if you are a low-profile player like Happy, then you take what you can get and make the most out of it. Hell look at Hyun and the amount of hype he got from IPL Fight Club. He has won 10 weeks in a row and its a damn online tournament! Yet these achievements still make the Up and Down Writeups. you're comparing an online bo9 with some solid cash to a tournament in China for a Russian player? Really? Again this relates back to the prestige thing. WCG may be small, but if you build up lots of small merits, it turns into something big. This is also a grand opportunity to build up experience, again relating back to the investment for the long-term. The whole comparison to Fight Club is that this is also a small lesser-known tournament, heck the LR threads only reach 10ish pages on average. However Hyun won so many times that it then became big and hence, well known and hyped up, as well as building up his own momentum and now has his spot in Code S. The whole point is, yes WCG may be small, but it could be the beginning of something great, and when you got a paid trip and accommodation, then it would be foolish to decline. WCG is most likely a 1week investment for a small return, which is the point you're unable to see apparently.
1 week is peanuts...Its a small sacrifice for a potentially large return if he does well, but more importantly, gets invaluable experience against some decent Koreans.
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On October 25 2012 03:12 Incomplet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 03:10 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 03:07 Incomplet wrote:On October 25 2012 02:53 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 02:47 Incomplet wrote:On October 25 2012 02:42 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 02:38 Incomplet wrote:On October 25 2012 02:24 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 02:20 Kasaraki wrote:On October 25 2012 02:19 sAsImre wrote:
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Using his time wisely by training is the long term mentality, instead of wasting 4+days for a tournament which won't be too much followed by the western audience (dunno about Russia but it'd surprise me greatly if it was different) and in which he won't gain any reocgnition/money.
You know the thing every athlete does by skipping useless/low profile event if they're good enough. Then why was he in WCG Russia? He isn't skipping the event, he's pulling out after winning the Russian part. i'm not in his shoes but: Easier/money recognition, tournament was more accessible (point 1 and 2), he wasn't sure about going to China/was sure he wouldn't go (this one is questionnable) Was not aware of the tournament schedule/condition in China (considering WCS history). Basically doing a lan in Russia for a russian player can't be bad, going to China for 4+ days is an entirely other thing. /e @ Incomplet, the problem is that you're 100% sure a Korean will win the event, and if they don't eliminate themselves they'll just get the top spots. Happy has probably better opportunities tournament wise in Russia/CEI and he'll be in all Dreamhack/Assembly if he wishes too since he's good enough to make a run. I agree he won't win (well he's Eu and T, that's already a proof :D) but he can get decent prize money. This WCG is really stupid for foreigners, totally overshadowed by WCS and still no hope to win while having to travel to China. (it's faaaaaaaar from being a premier tournament) Well thats the thing...if foreigners run away from Koreans then they will never improve. To be the best, you have to compete among the best. If foreigners restrain themselves to only tournaments without Koreans, keep expecting the top 8 in every premiere foreign event to be Korean, with Stephano sneaking in there around 6th place. And to be frank, I have been to China and I got around fine without knowing a single word of Chinese. A friendly person can easily befriend other people who dont speak their native language by using broken English and hand signs - or even a pocket dictionary. A simple warm smile can go a long way. Playing a single bo3 against a korean won't do anything. You either go to Korea and train with them or accept that you stay behind (and further behind with the surge of Kespa pros, Rain against a foreigner could be funny, especially PvT lol). Just compare WCS and WCG to understand his decision, one is shitty and has close to 0 benefits if you don't reach the prize money, the other will be like the most prestigious tournament of the year (despite not being the harder by a huge margin) Most certainly the WCS is more prestigious than the WCG in SC2, the thing is that whole argument is redundant in this particular case because Happy isn't in the WCS! Like I mentioned before, if you are a low-profile player like Happy, then you take what you can get and make the most out of it. Hell look at Hyun and the amount of hype he got from IPL Fight Club. He has won 10 weeks in a row and its a damn online tournament! Yet these achievements still make the Up and Down Writeups. you're comparing an online bo9 with some solid cash to a tournament in China for a Russian player? Really? Again this relates back to the prestige thing. WCG may be small, but if you build up lots of small merits, it turns into something big. This is also a grand opportunity to build up experience, again relating back to the investment for the long-term. The whole comparison to Fight Club is that this is also a small lesser-known tournament, heck the LR threads only reach 10ish pages on average. However Hyun won so many times that it then became big and hence, well known and hyped up, as well as building up his own momentum and now has his spot in Code S. The whole point is, yes WCG may be small, but it could be the beginning of something great, and when you got a paid trip and accommodation, then it would be foolish to decline. WCG is most likely a 1week investment for a small return, which is the point you're unable to see apparently. 1 week is peanuts...Its a small sacrifice for a potentially large return if he does well, but more importantly, gets invaluable experience against some decent Koreans.
lol
training isn't important, better play a bo1/3 vs a korean in 1week.
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On October 25 2012 00:08 Nerchio wrote:
I wonder what 'Happy will be penalized by WCG' means since i can't see them punishing him in any way. It's not like a player has to go to an event if he doesn't want to. National qualifiers have almost nothing to do with the global finals.
Russian WCG is ran by Federation of Cyber Sports, a government endorsed committee headed by that Dmitri Smit fella(ex-(orky)Dilvish) and while they pretty much dont do anything but run an occasional starcraft tournament and WCG they are shady behind the scenes organization, and like any Russian shady behind the scenes organization they can probably penalize Happy with some leg breaking.
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I don't think you guys hating on him read his entire reply...
You would force him to travel to another country to continue working (playing sc2) where he would only lose more money than he gained? Get a life.
He can do what he wants. He qualified, not you. He can turn down the slot if he so chooses.
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That's a long list of excuses.
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On October 25 2012 03:07 Waxangel wrote:
his choice :o
yup, never liked him very much but this is really his choice and i thought his reasoning wasn't that bad. he's been at WCG plenty times and i also feel it went from the most important tournament (at WC3 TFT it kind of was that) to an insignificant one.
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This is perfectly fine by Happy, but he obviously was aware of decision before going into WCG Russia which is essentially a qualifier, he should have refrained from entering in the first place, but besides that it's perfectly fine.
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On October 25 2012 00:08 Nerchio wrote:
I wonder what 'Happy will be penalized by WCG' means since i can't see them punishing him in any way. It's not like a player has to go to an event if he doesn't want to. National qualifiers have almost nothing to do with the global finals.
WCG will maybe keep some of his prize money from his last tournment by saying they have payed for his ticket to take part ie $500 (i believe thats how much )maybe some one else knows the true cost to enter the tournment.
Travel agents fees
May be take back the cost of the flight tickets as well if cant be cancelled.
May be the hotel costs as well.
Way to go really helping the e-sports scene hit the player when they pull out,its not like they cant replace them.
Pro-gamers own costs when they are there
Transport to hotel from airport there and back.
All there food and drink for the whole day x 3-5 days.
What with only top 3 players making money, players are using there own money to advertise the sponsors and samsungs name.
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On October 25 2012 01:45 bokeevboke wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 00:25 mikedebo wrote:On October 25 2012 00:10 GTR wrote:
What the hell is WCG going to do to Happy? Ban him from future WCG's? They could tweet that Empire.Happy actually encouraged Crank to leave Slayers and the rest will take care of itself... Genius.
No, Crank.
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On October 25 2012 03:15 1Dhalism wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 00:08 Nerchio wrote:
I wonder what 'Happy will be penalized by WCG' means since i can't see them punishing him in any way. It's not like a player has to go to an event if he doesn't want to. National qualifiers have almost nothing to do with the global finals. Russian WCG is ran by Federation of Cyber Sports, a government endorsed committee headed by that Dmitri Smit fella(ex-(orky)Dilvish) and while they pretty much dont do anything but run an occasional starcraft tournament and WCG they are shady behind the scenes organization, and like any Russian shady behind the scenes organization they can probably penalize Happy with some leg breaking.
haha ^^
Well after the epanded translation i understand him a bit more and it's totally fine that he doesn't want to go, just a shame because he misses a paid week in china :/
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On October 25 2012 01:21 divito wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 00:57 SniXSniPe wrote:
Lol are you serious? It's the players fault?
No, it's not. Did you not see the poor excuse of a tournament WCG USA was? Players not accepting paid travel to events and to represent their country because of <insert excuse here> is the reason the talent pool has been diluted over the years. WCG has always had issues with finding competent organizers to run qualification tournaments. Canada and the USA have been no different in that regard; sometimes no one competent shows up, and WCG USA obviously had their issues.
Haha.. Yeah it's not that there is an issue with finding competent organizers, it's that they gave less and less support to the organizers. It's gotten to the point where you, 1 get 0 financial support from WCG, 2 have to find sponsors to pay for travel and a player licence, 3 these sponsors can't compete in anything Samsung does.
We really should feel sorry for the people organizing qualifiers. Though in some region the local Samsung branch does provide some funding, a lot of regions get almost nothing. Getting a tournament license just blows really.
That said, more on topic, I would've done things differently, but Happy's free to make his own choice.
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It's not like Adelscott,DarKFoRcE,Capoch (never heard of him) and the list could continue on have a bigger chance but at least they try.After all who knows...maybe MarineKing breaks his arm and gonna be forced to play with one hand or something.
But it's his choice,let him be.
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On October 25 2012 22:06 Zerg.Zilla wrote:
maybe MarineKing breaks his arm and gonna be forced to play with one hand or something.
I don't understand, how would that change anything? 
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Pff..the part of not having anything to do sounds kinda ridiculous. Just go out and do something, I am sure there is loads to do in China during downtime. Heck, that would be perfect getting flown a few days in advance, then you would have time to explore a bit. Use body language, makes it funny.
Each to his own I guess.
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I was going to suggest dressing up with a Japanese flag and running around yelling "Nippon banzai" as a pastime, but I'm guessing that's too recent to joke about.
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On October 25 2012 23:01 Poltergeist- wrote:
Pff..the part of not having anything to do sounds kinda ridiculous. Just go out and do something, I am sure there is loads to do in China during downtime. Heck, that would be perfect getting flown a few days in advance, then you would have time to explore a bit. Use body language, makes it funny.
Each to his own I guess.
Happy has never been known to be all that much for going out of his way to have fun. ^__^
Also it's his choice, I can't fault him, the spot just goes to the silvermedalist. The only issue I can see is him potentially blocking some one from going by winning the WCG Russia tournament, fx knocking out Titan who'd have a great shot at winning the tournament otherwise.
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Happy was supposed to be replaced by BratOk at WCG Ru quali, but orgs denied it. Basicly he was forced to play.
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Happy: Your event is too poor to participate in. I withdraw.
WCG: You know what? We'll BAN you from participating.
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I kinda wonder what he is trying to achieve. If he just stated "i am withdrawing due to personal reasons" nobody would notice. This way he is drawing attention to the situation, but i doubt this will change anything. I mean, everyone knows wcg was/is getting worse and worse with time, no surprise there.
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So it's no longer a top level competition, and you're worried it'd be a waste of time because you won't win.
At least his spot will go to someone that cares.
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Who cares, happens all the time. I can understand him, especiall if it's someone like Happy who has seen first hand how WCG got progressively worse over the years.
If he feels like it's a terrible event, he shouldn't be forced to go.
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On October 25 2012 00:25 mikedebo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 00:10 GTR wrote:
What the hell is WCG going to do to Happy? Ban him from future WCG's? They could tweet that Empire.Happy actually encouraged Crank to leave Slayers and the rest will take care of itself...
Hahahah, genius :d
I don't really blame Happy, it's your own choice to go or not. I don't see why this deserves a punishment.
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On October 26 2012 00:07 imPermanenCe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 00:25 mikedebo wrote:On October 25 2012 00:10 GTR wrote:
What the hell is WCG going to do to Happy? Ban him from future WCG's? They could tweet that Empire.Happy actually encouraged Crank to leave Slayers and the rest will take care of itself... Hahahah, genius :d I don't really blame Happy, it's your own choice to go or not. I don't see why this deserves a punishment.
In an other hand, why would you participate in a qualifier if you know from the get go you won't go if you qualify? It's dishonest imo. I don't know, looks like you get the money with the "easy" part and just get the fuck out before looking bad.
Btw, where is it said that there will be a punishment? I must be dumb but i can't see it =C
Edit: nevermind, found it, i'm dumb.
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Also number 2 is completely false. Many people (vast majority under 25) in China speak English.
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On October 26 2012 00:07 imPermanenCe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 00:25 mikedebo wrote:On October 25 2012 00:10 GTR wrote:
What the hell is WCG going to do to Happy? Ban him from future WCG's? They could tweet that Empire.Happy actually encouraged Crank to leave Slayers and the rest will take care of itself... Hahahah, genius :d I don't really blame Happy, it's your own choice to go or not. I don't see why this deserves a punishment.
Eh, depending on what the punishment is. I could understand them not wanting him in any more qualifiers next time or a slice of whatever prizes wcg russia offered. It hurts them, so fair is fair all around, everyone happy.
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Honestly, if change is ever to come I would like to see more players turn down their seeds in such a tournament so Samsung would have no choice but to re-consider how they go about the WCG.
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im sure the other guy will be happy ( not happy ) to go
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That's a lot of bullshit in there. If you actually don't think you can win something so you'd rather not even try, you should just quit. How can you be a professional gamer and then shy away from competition? Sounds like the wrong profession. Or did he just play WCG Russia to beat up on players he thinks are lower than him, hence why he cowers vs better competition? I don't care that he doesn't want to play in WCG, players miss tournaments all the time for whatever reason they want. What sucks are his excuses.
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On October 26 2012 07:59 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
That's a lot of bullshit in there. If you actually don't think you can win something so you'd rather not even try, you should just quit. How can you be a professional gamer and then shy away from competition? Sounds like the wrong profession. Or did he just play WCG Russia to beat up on players he thinks are lower than him, hence why he cowers vs better competition? I don't care that he doesn't want to play in WCG, players miss tournaments all the time for whatever reason they want. What sucks are his excuses.
agree here , he sound like realy antisocial too , im sure he would have find people who talk english lol....
and just the fact he got a free trips pay to one other country would make most people happy , he say he got nothing to do the first day , how about you go out and see the city ??!!
that fine if he think he not good enough for win , but he should be a professional , the mindset just wrong .
and wcg = a fun tournament where you visit a new country who was here since the broodwar day , and the prize not that bad , why he need hurt wcg in the first place because he dont want go ? why he played the qualifier too ? why he need to give reason like that ? he act realy not professional , just lame lol
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On October 26 2012 00:14 boxman22 wrote:
Also number 2 is completely false. Many people (vast majority under 25) in China speak English.
0.83 of total population speak English, you really think a vast majority of young people speak it ?
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It sucks to pull out and I do wish he would have looked into these things before competing but with how WCG doesn't give paid trips and the conditions are quite poor I do not fault him for his sentiments either.
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On October 25 2012 23:40 Cheerio wrote:
Happy: Your event is too poor to participate in. I withdraw.
WCG: You know what? We'll BAN you from participating.
"You can't quit, you're fired!"
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What? Why would you do something like that? '^'
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On October 25 2012 00:55 KalWarkov wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 00:52 SoloZergg wrote:
Well, he should probably just stop playing Starcraft if he started playing it for the money. This makes no sense, and all I see are poor excuses for a great opportunity. What a baby... what world do you live in? ofc he plays for money, as most pros do and have to do. Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 00:52 ROOTFayth wrote:
he could just fucking learn english his english is quite good, especially for a russian guy. he casted decently at the last HomeStoryCup .
You don't make money by not participating in tournaments, do you see how this makes no sense?...
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Why don't attend both starcraft and WC3? Then he may have better chances.
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A baller move,got my respect.
That being said i'll still watch wgc tho,especially for south american players.
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IMO it makes perfect sense given the circumstances of WCG so good choice
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Lets be totally honest, does anyone actually care about who wins WCG? Maybe it's just me but WCS just seems like that tournament WCG wishes it was. The reasons Happy gave seem totally legitimate to me, it does however seem pretty untactful. You don't want to go, that's okay, but to essentially say "I don't want to go because your tournament is garbage" when a simple "personal reasons/prior commitments" would've done the job. WCG may be a poor-mans tournament now (considering it's supposed to reflect the grandeur of an international tournament), but for the last decade it was pretty much the best annual tournament for Broodwar and many other games and one of the very few (only?) esports supporters in the foreign scene. So yeah, it's a shame, at least let it die with some dignity.
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Speaking of which when is WCG?
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On October 26 2012 08:29 Dontkillme wrote:
Speaking of which when is WCG?
And who's in it? Seriously, I read the thread 20 minutes ago and I've already forgotten Happy's replacement :S
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Been unhappy with WCGs ways since last year as well :/
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WCG could just say, yes we understand that the tournament is declining, we will take steps against that. Instead they just want to slap Happy on the wrist for true statements that are his right to say. WP, WCG, WP.
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Makes sense. As far as I can tell WCG has failed to evolve properly while all these other premier organizations have pulled ahead. With all these other tournaments going on around the same time, never thought I'd say this, but WCG has become obsolete.
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That's what you call a professional 
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Good for him. Either WCG finds a way for it to make sense to play in the tournament for the gamers that qualify or they should cease being. WCG has been devolving rather than evolving. I think it's amazing they are still around.
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good. WCG was good and interesting.
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why would you play the wcg qualifier and then choose not to go to wcg? why didn't he just not play the qualifier?
maybe im missing something.
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On October 26 2012 10:30 Diglett wrote:
why would you play the wcg qualifier and then choose not to go to wcg? why didn't he just not play the qualifier?
maybe im missing something.
because he got spot in ro4 final qualifier long time ago and he got money for the first place of the qualifier
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On October 26 2012 08:15 iNcontroL wrote:
It sucks to pull out and I do wish he would have looked into these things before competing but with how WCG doesn't give paid trips and the conditions are quite poor I do not fault him for his sentiments either.
Depends on the people hosting the qualifiers doesn't it? As I understood it, it's up to them to pay for travel.
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I agree with most of what Happy says, but may as well not have participated in the prelims to begin with >.<
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WCG was cool many years ago when it was a rare chance to see foreigners getting their asses kicked by Koreans, rooting for someone to miraculously taking a game off a pro somehow, with Tasteless rising to fame with pure energy and enthusiasm. It's been going downhill ever since with strong countries not getting enough spots, shitty cellphone games and it generally being purely a marketing event with a hint of esports.
I understand why Happy wouldn't want to attend such a tournament, but then he shouldn't have tried to qualify in the first place. Personally, I would've gladly taken a free trip to China for a little exotic holiday.
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On October 26 2012 08:27 Greendotz wrote:
Lets be totally honest, does anyone actually care about who wins WCG? Maybe it's just me but WCS just seems like that tournament WCG wishes it was. The reasons Happy gave seem totally legitimate to me, it does however seem pretty untactful. You don't want to go, that's okay, but to essentially say "I don't want to go because your tournament is garbage" when a simple "personal reasons/prior commitments" would've done the job. WCG may be a poor-mans tournament now (considering it's supposed to reflect the grandeur of an international tournament), but for the last decade it was pretty much the best annual tournament for Broodwar and many other games and one of the very few (only?) esports supporters in the foreign scene. So yeah, it's a shame, at least let it die with some dignity.
WCG is still a big deal for Koreans, representing your country is a big honor.
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Pulling out of second tier tournaments is no big deal, it happens all the time (often with much shorter notice). WCG couldn't offer a good enough package, so Happy is no longer interested in participating. He didn't have to be so brutally honest, but not everyone is born a politician.
Kinda funny that WCG is trying to act all tough about it. Good luck trying to attract the best players to the qualifiers next year if turning down a spot is "penalized".
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Is happy inactive or what? dont see him on ladder anymore.
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i know of a uk player who has been penalized by WCG and MULTIPLAY for pulling out of playing in the wcg tournie,he qualified for it through playing in another tounie so had no choice,couldnt of said i dont want wcg or he wouldnt of got to play in the other tournie at the time
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lol man that is ridiculous, pro gamers should recieve a huge penalty for something like that unless it was a family emergency.
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Does anyone have any word on how WCG is penalizing players?
This is something new for tournaments to do (unless it means just barring the player from the next WCG) and should be brought to light if it is anything out of hand.
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Happy isn't happy at all.
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Happy sounds like he needs a reality check. The guy is good no doubt. But, he's good in the same way that a #6 or 7 wide receiver in the NFL is good. Does anyone really know who he is? Does anyone really care if he plays or not? Will he be missed? In my mind, the answer to all of those questions is a big fat no.
The tournament might be inconvenient, but if you're chasing a career as a professional e-sports competitor then you shouldn't miss an opportunity to prove your legitimacy as a real threat in the competitive scene. Personal reasons I get, but saying its to inconvenient to continue any further just sounds like a weak player making weak excuses.
I hope his spot goes to someone who is hungrier for championship status than he is.
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On December 11 2012 07:46 Joedaddy wrote:
Happy sounds like he needs a reality check. The guy is good no doubt. But, he's good in the same way that a #6 or 7 wide receiver in the NFL is good. Does anyone really know who he is? Does anyone really care if he plays or not? Will he be missed? In my mind, the answer to all of those questions is a big fat no.
The tournament might be inconvenient, but if you're chasing a career as a professional e-sports competitor then you shouldn't miss an opportunity to prove your legitimacy as a real threat in the competitive scene. Personal reasons I get, but saying its to inconvenient to continue any further just sounds like a weak player making weak excuses.
I hope his spot goes to someone who is hungrier for championship status than he is.
There are many Eastern European players who have trouble with visas (Kas springs to mind). Happy isn't an exception. Just because you don't know who he is doesn't mean hes not good enough to voice his complaints and withdraw.
Also, Happy is DAMN GOOD.
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On December 09 2012 03:21 Mia wrote:
Is happy inactive or what? dont see him on ladder anymore.
What's the point for you bumping this old thread and all the people responding to it like it's a new story?
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On December 11 2012 07:46 Joedaddy wrote:
Happy sounds like he needs a reality check. The guy is good no doubt. But, he's good in the same way that a #6 or 7 wide receiver in the NFL is good. Does anyone really know who he is? Does anyone really care if he plays or not? Will he be missed? In my mind, the answer to all of those questions is a big fat no.
The tournament might be inconvenient, but if you're chasing a career as a professional e-sports competitor then you shouldn't miss an opportunity to prove your legitimacy as a real threat in the competitive scene. Personal reasons I get, but saying its to inconvenient to continue any further just sounds like a weak player making weak excuses.
I hope his spot goes to someone who is hungrier for championship status than he is.
You do know WCG took place some time ago, right?
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On December 11 2012 07:52 4tre55 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 07:46 Joedaddy wrote:
Happy sounds like he needs a reality check. The guy is good no doubt. But, he's good in the same way that a #6 or 7 wide receiver in the NFL is good. Does anyone really know who he is? Does anyone really care if he plays or not? Will he be missed? In my mind, the answer to all of those questions is a big fat no.
The tournament might be inconvenient, but if you're chasing a career as a professional e-sports competitor then you shouldn't miss an opportunity to prove your legitimacy as a real threat in the competitive scene. Personal reasons I get, but saying its to inconvenient to continue any further just sounds like a weak player making weak excuses.
I hope his spot goes to someone who is hungrier for championship status than he is. You do know WCG took place some time ago, right?
Read everything in the OP except the post date, /facepalm. Between school and family I haven't been able to keep up with the scene much the last few months. I still stand by my own opinion regarding his withdrawal from the tournament though.
I don't doubt Happy's skill as a player. I know he's good, really good. My comparison still seems like a reasonable one though.
Visa problems, personal problems, etc. I completely understand. What I can't abide is a competitor using things like: "I think the competition is to good" as a reason to pull out. Why bother competing in the first place if a high level of competition is a justifiable reason to quit and give up.
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On December 11 2012 07:55 Joedaddy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 07:52 4tre55 wrote:On December 11 2012 07:46 Joedaddy wrote:
Happy sounds like he needs a reality check. The guy is good no doubt. But, he's good in the same way that a #6 or 7 wide receiver in the NFL is good. Does anyone really know who he is? Does anyone really care if he plays or not? Will he be missed? In my mind, the answer to all of those questions is a big fat no.
The tournament might be inconvenient, but if you're chasing a career as a professional e-sports competitor then you shouldn't miss an opportunity to prove your legitimacy as a real threat in the competitive scene. Personal reasons I get, but saying its to inconvenient to continue any further just sounds like a weak player making weak excuses.
I hope his spot goes to someone who is hungrier for championship status than he is. You do know WCG took place some time ago, right? Read everything in the OP except the post date, /facepalm. Between school and family I haven't been able to keep up with the scene much the last few months. I still stand by my own opinion regarding his withdrawal from the tournament though. I don't doubt Happy's skill as a player. I know he's good, really good. My comparison still seems like a reasonable one though. Visa problems, personal problems, etc. I completely understand. What I can't abide is a competitor using things like: "I think the competition is to good" as a reason to pull out. Why bother competing in the first place if a high level of competition is a justifiable reason to quit and give up.
The reasoning was more like "the event is terrible, I don't want to go to China for this shit".
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On December 11 2012 07:46 Joedaddy wrote:
Happy sounds like he needs a reality check. The guy is good no doubt. But, he's good in the same way that a #6 or 7 wide receiver in the NFL is good. Does anyone really know who he is? Does anyone really care if he plays or not? Will he be missed? In my mind, the answer to all of those questions is a big fat no.
The tournament might be inconvenient, but if you're chasing a career as a professional e-sports competitor then you shouldn't miss an opportunity to prove your legitimacy as a real threat in the competitive scene. Personal reasons I get, but saying its to inconvenient to continue any further just sounds like a weak player making weak excuses.
I hope his spot goes to someone who is hungrier for championship status than he is.
DId you read the op?
What he said maid a lot of sense. If he doesn't wanna participate, that his choice.
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On December 11 2012 08:08 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 07:46 Joedaddy wrote:
Happy sounds like he needs a reality check. The guy is good no doubt. But, he's good in the same way that a #6 or 7 wide receiver in the NFL is good. Does anyone really know who he is? Does anyone really care if he plays or not? Will he be missed? In my mind, the answer to all of those questions is a big fat no.
The tournament might be inconvenient, but if you're chasing a career as a professional e-sports competitor then you shouldn't miss an opportunity to prove your legitimacy as a real threat in the competitive scene. Personal reasons I get, but saying its to inconvenient to continue any further just sounds like a weak player making weak excuses.
I hope his spot goes to someone who is hungrier for championship status than he is. DId you read the op? What he said maid a lot of sense. If he doesn't wanna participate, that his choice.
Did you?
2) Of course, the fact that I do not wish to attend WCG is solely my own problem. I do not want to travel to a tournament that is run so poorly and likes to have players arrive 2 days in advance. This means that after you arrive, you have to mess around for at least a day. Also, for some reason, the organization always tries to stall the games/tour for as long as possible, with the first games starting early in the morning and ending in the middle of the day.
I interpret this as, "Its inconvenient for me having to arrive 2 days early, and I don't like playing early in the morning and ending in the middle of the day. I want to play games on my schedule, not someone else's schedule." I don't doubt that its inconvenient, but inconvenience seems like something shared across a lot of tournaments when it comes to scheduling. I seem to recall several complaints about MLG because of scheduling problems and the long days resulting in players being in a constant limbo status.
3) Furthermore, I admit that I don't believe that I have a significant chance of a high placement in this tournament....
Again, I interpret this as, "I don't think I can win anyway, so I'm just not going to try" Not exactly what you hope to hear from a professional in any field. He thought he could win region(?) qualifiers so he got all the money he could get and then backed out when he didn't think he could win any more. Not very admirable in my mind.
He had other reasons for not competing that were personal. I'm not disagreeing with that at all, but the stuff above doesn't sound like the heart and mind of a champion or anyone that, in my mind. deserves to be mentioned in the same discussion as the great competitors in e-sports.
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On December 11 2012 08:36 Joedaddy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 08:08 Hider wrote:On December 11 2012 07:46 Joedaddy wrote:
Happy sounds like he needs a reality check. The guy is good no doubt. But, he's good in the same way that a #6 or 7 wide receiver in the NFL is good. Does anyone really know who he is? Does anyone really care if he plays or not? Will he be missed? In my mind, the answer to all of those questions is a big fat no.
The tournament might be inconvenient, but if you're chasing a career as a professional e-sports competitor then you shouldn't miss an opportunity to prove your legitimacy as a real threat in the competitive scene. Personal reasons I get, but saying its to inconvenient to continue any further just sounds like a weak player making weak excuses.
I hope his spot goes to someone who is hungrier for championship status than he is. DId you read the op? What he said maid a lot of sense. If he doesn't wanna participate, that his choice. Did you? Show nested quote +2) Of course, the fact that I do not wish to attend WCG is solely my own problem. I do not want to travel to a tournament that is run so poorly and likes to have players arrive 2 days in advance. This means that after you arrive, you have to mess around for at least a day. Also, for some reason, the organization always tries to stall the games/tour for as long as possible, with the first games starting early in the morning and ending in the middle of the day. I interpret this as, "Its inconvenient for me having to arrive 2 days early, and I don't like playing early in the morning and ending in the middle of the day. I want to play games on my schedule, not someone else's schedule." I don't doubt that its inconvenient, but inconvenience seems like something shared across a lot of tournaments when it comes to scheduling. I seem to recall several complaints about MLG because of scheduling problems and the long days resulting in players being in a constant limbo status. Show nested quote +3) Furthermore, I admit that I don't believe that I have a significant chance of a high placement in this tournament.... Again, I interpret this as, "I don't think I can win anyway, so I'm just not going to try" Not exactly what you hope to hear from a professional in any field. He thought he could win region(?) qualifiers so he got all the money he could get and then backed out when he didn't think he could win any more. Not very admirable in my mind. He had other reasons for not competing that were personal. I'm not disagreeing with that at all, but the stuff above doesn't sound like the heart and mind of a champion or anyone that, in my mind. deserves to be mentioned in the same discussion as the great competitors in e-sports.
You are missing the point. Happy don't wanna participate becasue he doesn't like the experience. Participating has a negative expected utility. What's the big deal?
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@Joedaddy:
You're way overinterpreting this and I don't really see the point in debating something that's already a few months outdated and has no relevancy anymore.
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On December 11 2012 07:51 AKomrade wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 07:46 Joedaddy wrote:
Happy sounds like he needs a reality check. The guy is good no doubt. But, he's good in the same way that a #6 or 7 wide receiver in the NFL is good. Does anyone really know who he is? Does anyone really care if he plays or not? Will he be missed? In my mind, the answer to all of those questions is a big fat no.
The tournament might be inconvenient, but if you're chasing a career as a professional e-sports competitor then you shouldn't miss an opportunity to prove your legitimacy as a real threat in the competitive scene. Personal reasons I get, but saying its to inconvenient to continue any further just sounds like a weak player making weak excuses.
I hope his spot goes to someone who is hungrier for championship status than he is. There are many Eastern European players who have trouble with visas (Kas springs to mind). Happy isn't an exception. Just because you don't know who he is doesn't mean hes not good enough to voice his complaints and withdraw. Also, Happy is DAMN GOOD.
Sure, Happy is "DAMN GOOD", when you look at Starcraft 2 as a whole (Bronze to Grandmaster). He's definitely in the upper echelons. But he is no where near "DAMN GOOD" when looking at Starcraft 2 e-Sports professionals. He is ~mid-tier in Europe, and low-tier globally. Also, he gave four reasons, none of which mentioned anything about a VISA issue.
As for the previous comment, it is Happy's choice at the end of the day. While I agree that he's not a memorable player, or that his impact in the Starcraft 2 pro-gaming scene is mediocre at best, we shouldn't assume that he's your typical pro-gamer who wants to be the best. Stephano vibes, you know? Except this guy is nowhere near Stephano's level. No point getting angry at a player who just doesn't want to perform. It's still better than probe-rushing.
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