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On October 25 2012 00:52 ROOTFayth wrote:
he could just fucking learn english
or you could learn to read.
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On October 25 2012 01:01 shockaslim wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 00:03 Shadow_Dog wrote:TL;DT After winning WCG Russia,  Happy has declined his slot in WCG grand finals. His reasons: 1. WCG has shown only regression; turned from top level competition to a big commercial area with a decreasing prize pool. 2. Does not want to go because they bring people 2 days before the event; you do nothing until your matches and after you're eliminated there is nothing to do because of language barriers (english). 3. Does not think he has a chance to place in the money.
4. Does not see the benefit in just participating in it without winning it.He will be replaced by TurukHappy will be penalized by WCG. Happy and Team Empire's StatementSource: GoodGame.ru Sorry, but the bolded are honestly some of the most garbage excuses I have EVER read in my life.
Good thing you're a nobody whose opinion means nothing to Happy, then.
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What's with the Happy-hate? You're all a bunch of unintelligent nobodies compared to him. You jelly?
User was temp banned for this post.
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On October 25 2012 02:12 Incomplet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 02:04 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 01:43 Incomplet wrote:
Thinking short term is ridiculous. Short term = Oh no money in this tournament therfore this is not worthy of my time. The more intelligent long-term thinking is...oh if I win this tournament then this will give me more prestige to my name and ultimately earn me more money via more tournament invites and stream viewers. Sure the WCG may not be as prestigious as it used to be, but it still is one more merit to add to your name, which makes you more equitable. And in regards to quitting due to not believing you can win, that is just an excuse. Quitting before even trying is pathetic in not just SC2, but everything in life.
In all honesty, he would have been safer just saying he is not attending due to "personal reasons". reading comprehension: Happy doesn't think he can reach the prize pool so winning the tournament... lol. Yeah sure you can bash a player without even reading, good job sir. So giving up before even trying? Pathetic.
Using his time wisely by training is the long term mentality, instead of wasting 4+days for a tournament which won't be too much followed by the western audience (dunno about Russia but it'd surprise me greatly if it was different) and in which he won't gain any reocgnition/money.
You know the thing every athlete does by skipping useless/low profile event if they're good enough.
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On October 25 2012 02:19 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 02:12 Incomplet wrote:On October 25 2012 02:04 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 01:43 Incomplet wrote:
Thinking short term is ridiculous. Short term = Oh no money in this tournament therfore this is not worthy of my time. The more intelligent long-term thinking is...oh if I win this tournament then this will give me more prestige to my name and ultimately earn me more money via more tournament invites and stream viewers. Sure the WCG may not be as prestigious as it used to be, but it still is one more merit to add to your name, which makes you more equitable. And in regards to quitting due to not believing you can win, that is just an excuse. Quitting before even trying is pathetic in not just SC2, but everything in life.
In all honesty, he would have been safer just saying he is not attending due to "personal reasons". reading comprehension: Happy doesn't think he can reach the prize pool so winning the tournament... lol. Yeah sure you can bash a player without even reading, good job sir. So giving up before even trying? Pathetic. Using his time wisely by training is the long term mentality, instead of wasting 4+days for a tournament which won't be too much followed by the western audience (dunno about Russia but it'd surprise me greatly if it was different) and in which he won't gain any reocgnition/money. You know the thing every athlete does by skipping useless/low profile event if they're good enough.
Then why was he in WCG Russia? He isn't skipping the event, he's pulling out after winning the Russian part.
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On October 25 2012 02:19 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 02:12 Incomplet wrote:On October 25 2012 02:04 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 01:43 Incomplet wrote:
Thinking short term is ridiculous. Short term = Oh no money in this tournament therfore this is not worthy of my time. The more intelligent long-term thinking is...oh if I win this tournament then this will give me more prestige to my name and ultimately earn me more money via more tournament invites and stream viewers. Sure the WCG may not be as prestigious as it used to be, but it still is one more merit to add to your name, which makes you more equitable. And in regards to quitting due to not believing you can win, that is just an excuse. Quitting before even trying is pathetic in not just SC2, but everything in life.
In all honesty, he would have been safer just saying he is not attending due to "personal reasons". reading comprehension: Happy doesn't think he can reach the prize pool so winning the tournament... lol. Yeah sure you can bash a player without even reading, good job sir. So giving up before even trying? Pathetic. Using his time wisely by training is the long term mentality, instead of wasting 4+days for a tournament which won't be too much followed by the western audience (dunno about Russia but it'd surprise me greatly if it was different) and in which he won't gain any reocgnition/money. You know the thing every athlete does by skipping useless/low profile event if they're good enough.
Well thats my point. No bash intended on Happy's skill, but there is no doubt that he really isnt that high profile out there. If you are a MVP or Stephano or Life or Taeja, you get invited to so many premiere tournaments that they can afford to pick and choose. But for someone like happy and to be frank, the majority of progamers, they need to take what they can grab and try to make the most out of it.
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On October 25 2012 02:20 Kasaraki wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 02:19 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 02:12 Incomplet wrote:On October 25 2012 02:04 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 01:43 Incomplet wrote:
Thinking short term is ridiculous. Short term = Oh no money in this tournament therfore this is not worthy of my time. The more intelligent long-term thinking is...oh if I win this tournament then this will give me more prestige to my name and ultimately earn me more money via more tournament invites and stream viewers. Sure the WCG may not be as prestigious as it used to be, but it still is one more merit to add to your name, which makes you more equitable. And in regards to quitting due to not believing you can win, that is just an excuse. Quitting before even trying is pathetic in not just SC2, but everything in life.
In all honesty, he would have been safer just saying he is not attending due to "personal reasons". reading comprehension: Happy doesn't think he can reach the prize pool so winning the tournament... lol. Yeah sure you can bash a player without even reading, good job sir. So giving up before even trying? Pathetic. Using his time wisely by training is the long term mentality, instead of wasting 4+days for a tournament which won't be too much followed by the western audience (dunno about Russia but it'd surprise me greatly if it was different) and in which he won't gain any reocgnition/money. You know the thing every athlete does by skipping useless/low profile event if they're good enough. Then why was he in WCG Russia? He isn't skipping the event, he's pulling out after winning the Russian part.
i'm not in his shoes but:
Easier/money recognition, tournament was more accessible (point 1 and 2), he wasn't sure about going to China/was sure he wouldn't go (this one is questionnable)
Was not aware of the tournament schedule/condition in China (considering WCS history).
Basically doing a lan in Russia for a russian player can't be bad, going to China for 4+ days is an entirely other thing.
/e @ Incomplet, the problem is that you're 100% sure a Korean will win the event, and if they don't eliminate themselves they'll just get the top spots. Happy has probably better opportunities tournament wise in Russia/CEI and he'll be in all Dreamhack/Assembly if he wishes too since he's good enough to make a run. I agree he won't win (well he's Eu and T, that's already a proof :D) but he can get decent prize money.
This WCG is really stupid for foreigners, totally overshadowed by WCS and still no hope to win while having to travel to China. (it's faaaaaaaar from being a premier tournament)
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Where dat snitch at?37071 Posts
It's cool Happy. The things you stated are true anyways. Best of luck!
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People giving him shit should at least consider the fact that Happy is a WCG Veteran (4 Time Russia's Champ)
And its a shame that players of his caliber feel this way about WCG and this has been going on for the last few years
No one who has actually been following the scene be able to deny that.
Also by no means the timing of this is in any way related to all the recent sc2 drama as Happy was hinting about making this statement pretty much as soon as he won WCG Russia's Playoffs in which he only played because the WCG organizers denied his to request to forfeit his spot to BratOK which he knocked out in quarters of the qualifiers when on the other hand another player (cant remember who now) got did not attend and got replaced no problems...
I understand beginner wannabe pro-gamers could be calling his decisions disgraceful as they would do anything to be in his shoes.
Edit: Also after the WCG Ru finals he stated that he may be taking a long break from events to focus on the game and could be changing his race, even tho he has been pretty successful he can not really explain why he wins or loses games which hurts his confidence as he feels he has no control over his games.
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On October 25 2012 02:24 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 02:20 Kasaraki wrote:On October 25 2012 02:19 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 02:12 Incomplet wrote:On October 25 2012 02:04 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 01:43 Incomplet wrote:
Thinking short term is ridiculous. Short term = Oh no money in this tournament therfore this is not worthy of my time. The more intelligent long-term thinking is...oh if I win this tournament then this will give me more prestige to my name and ultimately earn me more money via more tournament invites and stream viewers. Sure the WCG may not be as prestigious as it used to be, but it still is one more merit to add to your name, which makes you more equitable. And in regards to quitting due to not believing you can win, that is just an excuse. Quitting before even trying is pathetic in not just SC2, but everything in life.
In all honesty, he would have been safer just saying he is not attending due to "personal reasons". reading comprehension: Happy doesn't think he can reach the prize pool so winning the tournament... lol. Yeah sure you can bash a player without even reading, good job sir. So giving up before even trying? Pathetic. Using his time wisely by training is the long term mentality, instead of wasting 4+days for a tournament which won't be too much followed by the western audience (dunno about Russia but it'd surprise me greatly if it was different) and in which he won't gain any reocgnition/money. You know the thing every athlete does by skipping useless/low profile event if they're good enough. Then why was he in WCG Russia? He isn't skipping the event, he's pulling out after winning the Russian part. i'm not in his shoes but: Easier/money recognition, tournament was more accessible (point 1 and 2), he wasn't sure about going to China/was sure he wouldn't go (this one is questionnable) Was not aware of the tournament schedule/condition in China (considering WCS history). Basically doing a lan in Russia for a russian player can't be bad, going to China for 4+ days is an entirely other thing. /e @ Incomplet, the problem is that you're 100% sure a Korean will win the event, and if they don't eliminate themselves they'll just get the top spots. Happy has probably better opportunities tournament wise in Russia/CEI and he'll be in all Dreamhack/Assembly if he wishes too since he's good enough to make a run. I agree he won't win (well he's Eu and T, that's already a proof :D) but he can get decent prize money. This WCG is really stupid for foreigners, totally overshadowed by WCS and still no hope to win while having to travel to China. (it's faaaaaaaar from being a premier tournament)
Well thats the thing...if foreigners run away from Koreans then they will never improve. To be the best, you have to compete among the best. If foreigners restrain themselves to only tournaments without Koreans, keep expecting the top 8 in every premiere foreign event to be Korean, with Stephano sneaking in there around 6th place. And to be frank, I have been to China and I got around fine without knowing a single word of Chinese. A friendly person can easily befriend other people who dont speak their native language by using broken English and hand signs - or even a pocket dictionary. A simple warm smile can go a long way.
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On October 25 2012 02:38 Incomplet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 02:24 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 02:20 Kasaraki wrote:On October 25 2012 02:19 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 02:12 Incomplet wrote:On October 25 2012 02:04 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 01:43 Incomplet wrote:
Thinking short term is ridiculous. Short term = Oh no money in this tournament therfore this is not worthy of my time. The more intelligent long-term thinking is...oh if I win this tournament then this will give me more prestige to my name and ultimately earn me more money via more tournament invites and stream viewers. Sure the WCG may not be as prestigious as it used to be, but it still is one more merit to add to your name, which makes you more equitable. And in regards to quitting due to not believing you can win, that is just an excuse. Quitting before even trying is pathetic in not just SC2, but everything in life.
In all honesty, he would have been safer just saying he is not attending due to "personal reasons". reading comprehension: Happy doesn't think he can reach the prize pool so winning the tournament... lol. Yeah sure you can bash a player without even reading, good job sir. So giving up before even trying? Pathetic. Using his time wisely by training is the long term mentality, instead of wasting 4+days for a tournament which won't be too much followed by the western audience (dunno about Russia but it'd surprise me greatly if it was different) and in which he won't gain any reocgnition/money. You know the thing every athlete does by skipping useless/low profile event if they're good enough. Then why was he in WCG Russia? He isn't skipping the event, he's pulling out after winning the Russian part. i'm not in his shoes but: Easier/money recognition, tournament was more accessible (point 1 and 2), he wasn't sure about going to China/was sure he wouldn't go (this one is questionnable) Was not aware of the tournament schedule/condition in China (considering WCS history). Basically doing a lan in Russia for a russian player can't be bad, going to China for 4+ days is an entirely other thing. /e @ Incomplet, the problem is that you're 100% sure a Korean will win the event, and if they don't eliminate themselves they'll just get the top spots. Happy has probably better opportunities tournament wise in Russia/CEI and he'll be in all Dreamhack/Assembly if he wishes too since he's good enough to make a run. I agree he won't win (well he's Eu and T, that's already a proof :D) but he can get decent prize money. This WCG is really stupid for foreigners, totally overshadowed by WCS and still no hope to win while having to travel to China. (it's faaaaaaaar from being a premier tournament) Well thats the thing...if foreigners run away from Koreans then they will never improve. To be the best, you have to compete among the best. If foreigners restrain themselves to only tournaments without Koreans, keep expecting the top 8 in every premiere foreign event to be Korean, with Stephano sneaking in there around 6th place. And to be frank, I have been to China and I got around fine without knowing a single word of Chinese. A friendly person can easily befriend other people who dont speak their native language by using broken English and hand signs - or even a pocket dictionary. A simple warm smile can go a long way.
Playing a single bo3 against a korean won't do anything. You either go to Korea and train with them or accept that you stay behind (and further behind with the surge of Kespa pros, Rain against a foreigner could be funny, especially PvT lol). Just compare WCS and WCG to understand his decision, one is shitty and has close to 0 benefits if you don't reach the prize money, the other will be like the most prestigious tournament of the year (despite not being the harder by a huge margin)
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On October 25 2012 02:42 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 02:38 Incomplet wrote:On October 25 2012 02:24 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 02:20 Kasaraki wrote:On October 25 2012 02:19 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 02:12 Incomplet wrote:On October 25 2012 02:04 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 01:43 Incomplet wrote:
Thinking short term is ridiculous. Short term = Oh no money in this tournament therfore this is not worthy of my time. The more intelligent long-term thinking is...oh if I win this tournament then this will give me more prestige to my name and ultimately earn me more money via more tournament invites and stream viewers. Sure the WCG may not be as prestigious as it used to be, but it still is one more merit to add to your name, which makes you more equitable. And in regards to quitting due to not believing you can win, that is just an excuse. Quitting before even trying is pathetic in not just SC2, but everything in life.
In all honesty, he would have been safer just saying he is not attending due to "personal reasons". reading comprehension: Happy doesn't think he can reach the prize pool so winning the tournament... lol. Yeah sure you can bash a player without even reading, good job sir. So giving up before even trying? Pathetic. Using his time wisely by training is the long term mentality, instead of wasting 4+days for a tournament which won't be too much followed by the western audience (dunno about Russia but it'd surprise me greatly if it was different) and in which he won't gain any reocgnition/money. You know the thing every athlete does by skipping useless/low profile event if they're good enough. Then why was he in WCG Russia? He isn't skipping the event, he's pulling out after winning the Russian part. i'm not in his shoes but: Easier/money recognition, tournament was more accessible (point 1 and 2), he wasn't sure about going to China/was sure he wouldn't go (this one is questionnable) Was not aware of the tournament schedule/condition in China (considering WCS history). Basically doing a lan in Russia for a russian player can't be bad, going to China for 4+ days is an entirely other thing. /e @ Incomplet, the problem is that you're 100% sure a Korean will win the event, and if they don't eliminate themselves they'll just get the top spots. Happy has probably better opportunities tournament wise in Russia/CEI and he'll be in all Dreamhack/Assembly if he wishes too since he's good enough to make a run. I agree he won't win (well he's Eu and T, that's already a proof :D) but he can get decent prize money. This WCG is really stupid for foreigners, totally overshadowed by WCS and still no hope to win while having to travel to China. (it's faaaaaaaar from being a premier tournament) Well thats the thing...if foreigners run away from Koreans then they will never improve. To be the best, you have to compete among the best. If foreigners restrain themselves to only tournaments without Koreans, keep expecting the top 8 in every premiere foreign event to be Korean, with Stephano sneaking in there around 6th place. And to be frank, I have been to China and I got around fine without knowing a single word of Chinese. A friendly person can easily befriend other people who dont speak their native language by using broken English and hand signs - or even a pocket dictionary. A simple warm smile can go a long way. Playing a single bo3 against a korean won't do anything. You either go to Korea and train with them or accept that you stay behind (and further behind with the surge of Kespa pros, Rain against a foreigner could be funny, especially PvT lol). Just compare WCS and WCG to understand his decision, one is shitty and has close to 0 benefits if you don't reach the prize money, the other will be like the most prestigious tournament of the year (despite not being the harder by a huge margin)
Most certainly the WCS is more prestigious than the WCG in SC2, the thing is that whole argument is redundant in this particular case because Happy isn't in the WCS! Like I mentioned before, if you are a low-profile player like Happy, then you take what you can get and make the most out of it. Hell look at Hyun and the amount of hype he got from IPL Fight Club. He has won 10 weeks in a row and its a damn online tournament! Yet these achievements still make the Up and Down Writeups.
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Basically, he says that there is no point in him going. He will get a huge jet lag, which will make him underpreform, he will spend most of his time in hotel doing nothing, since there is no chance for players to train nor anything else good to do. And to top it all off, prize money are really far.
I don't really get the bashing at Happy. Tournament is considered good because of it's history, so a lot of players come there to compete. Tournament will be popular and successful regardless of how players will be treated or how will they preform. Therefore, management just abuse the hell out of it. Happy just got some respect towards himself.
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EmpireHappy can speak english... (nearly fluently)
But its true that WCG is a joke today in comparison to ~WCG 2002-2009
WCG 2010 showed the first weakness.
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On October 25 2012 00:25 mikedebo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 00:10 GTR wrote:
What the hell is WCG going to do to Happy? Ban him from future WCG's? They could tweet that Empire.Happy actually encouraged Crank to leave Slayers and the rest will take care of itself...
haha
Shame really, I love Happy and would love to see him at WCG 
I always like to watch where he is on EU ladder.
gl happy
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On October 25 2012 02:47 Incomplet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 02:42 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 02:38 Incomplet wrote:On October 25 2012 02:24 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 02:20 Kasaraki wrote:On October 25 2012 02:19 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 02:12 Incomplet wrote:On October 25 2012 02:04 sAsImre wrote:On October 25 2012 01:43 Incomplet wrote:
Thinking short term is ridiculous. Short term = Oh no money in this tournament therfore this is not worthy of my time. The more intelligent long-term thinking is...oh if I win this tournament then this will give me more prestige to my name and ultimately earn me more money via more tournament invites and stream viewers. Sure the WCG may not be as prestigious as it used to be, but it still is one more merit to add to your name, which makes you more equitable. And in regards to quitting due to not believing you can win, that is just an excuse. Quitting before even trying is pathetic in not just SC2, but everything in life.
In all honesty, he would have been safer just saying he is not attending due to "personal reasons". reading comprehension: Happy doesn't think he can reach the prize pool so winning the tournament... lol. Yeah sure you can bash a player without even reading, good job sir. So giving up before even trying? Pathetic. Using his time wisely by training is the long term mentality, instead of wasting 4+days for a tournament which won't be too much followed by the western audience (dunno about Russia but it'd surprise me greatly if it was different) and in which he won't gain any reocgnition/money. You know the thing every athlete does by skipping useless/low profile event if they're good enough. Then why was he in WCG Russia? He isn't skipping the event, he's pulling out after winning the Russian part. i'm not in his shoes but: Easier/money recognition, tournament was more accessible (point 1 and 2), he wasn't sure about going to China/was sure he wouldn't go (this one is questionnable) Was not aware of the tournament schedule/condition in China (considering WCS history). Basically doing a lan in Russia for a russian player can't be bad, going to China for 4+ days is an entirely other thing. /e @ Incomplet, the problem is that you're 100% sure a Korean will win the event, and if they don't eliminate themselves they'll just get the top spots. Happy has probably better opportunities tournament wise in Russia/CEI and he'll be in all Dreamhack/Assembly if he wishes too since he's good enough to make a run. I agree he won't win (well he's Eu and T, that's already a proof :D) but he can get decent prize money. This WCG is really stupid for foreigners, totally overshadowed by WCS and still no hope to win while having to travel to China. (it's faaaaaaaar from being a premier tournament) Well thats the thing...if foreigners run away from Koreans then they will never improve. To be the best, you have to compete among the best. If foreigners restrain themselves to only tournaments without Koreans, keep expecting the top 8 in every premiere foreign event to be Korean, with Stephano sneaking in there around 6th place. And to be frank, I have been to China and I got around fine without knowing a single word of Chinese. A friendly person can easily befriend other people who dont speak their native language by using broken English and hand signs - or even a pocket dictionary. A simple warm smile can go a long way. Playing a single bo3 against a korean won't do anything. You either go to Korea and train with them or accept that you stay behind (and further behind with the surge of Kespa pros, Rain against a foreigner could be funny, especially PvT lol). Just compare WCS and WCG to understand his decision, one is shitty and has close to 0 benefits if you don't reach the prize money, the other will be like the most prestigious tournament of the year (despite not being the harder by a huge margin) Most certainly the WCS is more prestigious than the WCG in SC2, the thing is that whole argument is redundant in this particular case because Happy isn't in the WCS! Like I mentioned before, if you are a low-profile player like Happy, then you take what you can get and make the most out of it. Hell look at Hyun and the amount of hype he got from IPL Fight Club. He has won 10 weeks in a row and its a damn online tournament! Yet these achievements still make the Up and Down Writeups.
you're comparing an online bo9 with some solid cash to a tournament in China for a Russian player?
Really?
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That sucks, he's one of my favorite terrans to watch :<
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On October 25 2012 00:52 ROOTFayth wrote:
he could just fucking learn english
...and you obviously can't read for shit.
The man does what he feels is the best for his eSports career. I doubt I would take the same decisions if I were in his shoes but alas I am not.
Also, what can WCG possibly do to penalize him? He chose not to go... it's not like banning him from competing would do much.
Edit: Typo
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