EPTEmpire.Happy pulls out of WCG - Page 8
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TelecoM
United States10682 Posts
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Glon
United States569 Posts
This is something new for tournaments to do (unless it means just barring the player from the next WCG) and should be brought to light if it is anything out of hand. | ||
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Adonminus
Israel543 Posts
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Joedaddy
United States1948 Posts
The tournament might be inconvenient, but if you're chasing a career as a professional e-sports competitor then you shouldn't miss an opportunity to prove your legitimacy as a real threat in the competitive scene. Personal reasons I get, but saying its to inconvenient to continue any further just sounds like a weak player making weak excuses. I hope his spot goes to someone who is hungrier for championship status than he is. | ||
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AKomrade
United States582 Posts
On December 11 2012 07:46 Joedaddy wrote: Happy sounds like he needs a reality check. The guy is good no doubt. But, he's good in the same way that a #6 or 7 wide receiver in the NFL is good. Does anyone really know who he is? Does anyone really care if he plays or not? Will he be missed? In my mind, the answer to all of those questions is a big fat no. The tournament might be inconvenient, but if you're chasing a career as a professional e-sports competitor then you shouldn't miss an opportunity to prove your legitimacy as a real threat in the competitive scene. Personal reasons I get, but saying its to inconvenient to continue any further just sounds like a weak player making weak excuses. I hope his spot goes to someone who is hungrier for championship status than he is. There are many Eastern European players who have trouble with visas (Kas springs to mind). Happy isn't an exception. Just because you don't know who he is doesn't mean hes not good enough to voice his complaints and withdraw. Also, Happy is DAMN GOOD. | ||
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4tre55
Germany330 Posts
On December 09 2012 03:21 Mia wrote: Is happy inactive or what? dont see him on ladder anymore. What's the point for you bumping this old thread and all the people responding to it like it's a new story? | ||
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4tre55
Germany330 Posts
On December 11 2012 07:46 Joedaddy wrote: Happy sounds like he needs a reality check. The guy is good no doubt. But, he's good in the same way that a #6 or 7 wide receiver in the NFL is good. Does anyone really know who he is? Does anyone really care if he plays or not? Will he be missed? In my mind, the answer to all of those questions is a big fat no. The tournament might be inconvenient, but if you're chasing a career as a professional e-sports competitor then you shouldn't miss an opportunity to prove your legitimacy as a real threat in the competitive scene. Personal reasons I get, but saying its to inconvenient to continue any further just sounds like a weak player making weak excuses. I hope his spot goes to someone who is hungrier for championship status than he is. You do know WCG took place some time ago, right? | ||
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Joedaddy
United States1948 Posts
On December 11 2012 07:52 4tre55 wrote: You do know WCG took place some time ago, right? Read everything in the OP except the post date, /facepalm. Between school and family I haven't been able to keep up with the scene much the last few months. I still stand by my own opinion regarding his withdrawal from the tournament though. I don't doubt Happy's skill as a player. I know he's good, really good. My comparison still seems like a reasonable one though. Visa problems, personal problems, etc. I completely understand. What I can't abide is a competitor using things like: "I think the competition is to good" as a reason to pull out. Why bother competing in the first place if a high level of competition is a justifiable reason to quit and give up. | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On December 11 2012 07:55 Joedaddy wrote: Read everything in the OP except the post date, /facepalm. Between school and family I haven't been able to keep up with the scene much the last few months. I still stand by my own opinion regarding his withdrawal from the tournament though. I don't doubt Happy's skill as a player. I know he's good, really good. My comparison still seems like a reasonable one though. Visa problems, personal problems, etc. I completely understand. What I can't abide is a competitor using things like: "I think the competition is to good" as a reason to pull out. Why bother competing in the first place if a high level of competition is a justifiable reason to quit and give up. The reasoning was more like "the event is terrible, I don't want to go to China for this shit". | ||
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Hider
Denmark9405 Posts
On December 11 2012 07:46 Joedaddy wrote: Happy sounds like he needs a reality check. The guy is good no doubt. But, he's good in the same way that a #6 or 7 wide receiver in the NFL is good. Does anyone really know who he is? Does anyone really care if he plays or not? Will he be missed? In my mind, the answer to all of those questions is a big fat no. The tournament might be inconvenient, but if you're chasing a career as a professional e-sports competitor then you shouldn't miss an opportunity to prove your legitimacy as a real threat in the competitive scene. Personal reasons I get, but saying its to inconvenient to continue any further just sounds like a weak player making weak excuses. I hope his spot goes to someone who is hungrier for championship status than he is. DId you read the op? What he said maid a lot of sense. If he doesn't wanna participate, that his choice. | ||
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Joedaddy
United States1948 Posts
On December 11 2012 08:08 Hider wrote: DId you read the op? What he said maid a lot of sense. If he doesn't wanna participate, that his choice. Did you? 2) Of course, the fact that I do not wish to attend WCG is solely my own problem. I do not want to travel to a tournament that is run so poorly and likes to have players arrive 2 days in advance. This means that after you arrive, you have to mess around for at least a day. Also, for some reason, the organization always tries to stall the games/tour for as long as possible, with the first games starting early in the morning and ending in the middle of the day. I interpret this as, "Its inconvenient for me having to arrive 2 days early, and I don't like playing early in the morning and ending in the middle of the day. I want to play games on my schedule, not someone else's schedule." I don't doubt that its inconvenient, but inconvenience seems like something shared across a lot of tournaments when it comes to scheduling. I seem to recall several complaints about MLG because of scheduling problems and the long days resulting in players being in a constant limbo status. 3) Furthermore, I admit that I don't believe that I have a significant chance of a high placement in this tournament.... Again, I interpret this as, "I don't think I can win anyway, so I'm just not going to try" Not exactly what you hope to hear from a professional in any field. He thought he could win region(?) qualifiers so he got all the money he could get and then backed out when he didn't think he could win any more. Not very admirable in my mind. He had other reasons for not competing that were personal. I'm not disagreeing with that at all, but the stuff above doesn't sound like the heart and mind of a champion or anyone that, in my mind. deserves to be mentioned in the same discussion as the great competitors in e-sports. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9405 Posts
On December 11 2012 08:36 Joedaddy wrote: Did you? I interpret this as, "Its inconvenient for me having to arrive 2 days early, and I don't like playing early in the morning and ending in the middle of the day. I want to play games on my schedule, not someone else's schedule." I don't doubt that its inconvenient, but inconvenience seems like something shared across a lot of tournaments when it comes to scheduling. I seem to recall several complaints about MLG because of scheduling problems and the long days resulting in players being in a constant limbo status. Again, I interpret this as, "I don't think I can win anyway, so I'm just not going to try" Not exactly what you hope to hear from a professional in any field. He thought he could win region(?) qualifiers so he got all the money he could get and then backed out when he didn't think he could win any more. Not very admirable in my mind. He had other reasons for not competing that were personal. I'm not disagreeing with that at all, but the stuff above doesn't sound like the heart and mind of a champion or anyone that, in my mind. deserves to be mentioned in the same discussion as the great competitors in e-sports. You are missing the point. Happy don't wanna participate becasue he doesn't like the experience. Participating has a negative expected utility. What's the big deal? | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
You're way overinterpreting this and I don't really see the point in debating something that's already a few months outdated and has no relevancy anymore. | ||
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Xpace
United States2209 Posts
On December 11 2012 07:51 AKomrade wrote: There are many Eastern European players who have trouble with visas (Kas springs to mind). Happy isn't an exception. Just because you don't know who he is doesn't mean hes not good enough to voice his complaints and withdraw. Also, Happy is DAMN GOOD. Sure, Happy is "DAMN GOOD", when you look at Starcraft 2 as a whole (Bronze to Grandmaster). He's definitely in the upper echelons. But he is no where near "DAMN GOOD" when looking at Starcraft 2 e-Sports professionals. He is ~mid-tier in Europe, and low-tier globally. Also, he gave four reasons, none of which mentioned anything about a VISA issue. As for the previous comment, it is Happy's choice at the end of the day. While I agree that he's not a memorable player, or that his impact in the Starcraft 2 pro-gaming scene is mediocre at best, we shouldn't assume that he's your typical pro-gamer who wants to be the best. Stephano vibes, you know? Except this guy is nowhere near Stephano's level. No point getting angry at a player who just doesn't want to perform. It's still better than probe-rushing. | ||
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