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sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
October 24 2012 16:08 GMT
#41
About being a professional etc, he basically says, that he can't be compared to other people in other, more recognized sports because the prizes and salaries are very different. And that since this is his primary income, he sees it as a waste of time to go there, since he doesn't see himself placing high enough to win any prize money.
divito
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada1213 Posts
October 24 2012 16:21 GMT
#42
On October 25 2012 00:57 SniXSniPe wrote:
Lol are you serious? It's the players fault?

No, it's not. Did you not see the poor excuse of a tournament WCG USA was?

Players not accepting paid travel to events and to represent their country because of <insert excuse here> is the reason the talent pool has been diluted over the years.

WCG has always had issues with finding competent organizers to run qualification tournaments. Canada and the USA have been no different in that regard; sometimes no one competent shows up, and WCG USA obviously had their issues.
Skype: divito7
speknek
Profile Joined February 2012
758 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-24 16:29:31
October 24 2012 16:26 GMT
#43
I've done a more complete translation:

---

1) Like I've said before in several interviews, imo WCG has gone severely downhill the last couple of years (and I've been there 4 times now). First of all the tournament has gone from being a top eSports event for real professionals to a commercial playground where over 95% of attendees are fans/amateurs. The prize purse in in decline and each year the organization of the tournament becomes worse as well.

2) Of course, the fact that I do not wish to attend WCG is solely my own problem. I do not want to travel to a tournament that is run so poorly and likes to have players arrive 2 days in advance. This means that after you arrive, you have to mess around for at least a day. Also, for some reason, the organization always tries to stall the games/tour for as long as possible, with the first games starting early in the morning and ending in the middle of the day.

What players are supposed to do after the games, especially in a country where hardly anyone speaks English, isn't thought of. I personally cannot stand this and prefer not to endure such torture for a week. It's also worth mentioning that there's no opportunity to practice anywhere.

3) Furthermore, I admit that I don't believe that I have a significant chance of a high placement in this tournament. I've recently said how my professional career has been this last year - and those who have seen my interviews with WCG Russia know this - and that I am currently not in the right mood/state to be confident in a high placing at WCG. I'm not denying that this is my own, and only my own problem, but at the moment I cannot change anything about it.

4) So now, a conclusion to the previous paragraphs. I'm a professional eSports player, and if anyone says that it's more important to participate than it is to win, I would like to strongly disagree. The level of earnings in eSports (both wages and prizes) is not comparable to any recognized sport. Secondly, for me the term professional means that this is my job and this occupation is my main source of income. In my potential participation in the WCG Finals I only see a waste of time.

Obviously, these aren't the only reasons for my decision, but the others are personal, and I think that I have shed enough light on this matter with this statement.

---

Then in the comments people saying Zerg is imba and he should've mentioned that this is also a reason.
And more importantly maybe, StrangeR (empire manager, I believe) says that he does not yet know anything about a fine from WCG.
Mondieu
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania803 Posts
October 24 2012 16:30 GMT
#44
I am not liking this at all. I was not expecting this to happen in a professional scene ever. The trip is paid, you get to hang out with quite a lot of people, get to see China a bit. This sounds pretty much like he said no to some friends that wanted to get him out of the house for a bit. ^_^

BOO HOO!
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-24 16:31:53
October 24 2012 16:31 GMT
#45
Well his decision comes way in advance so the tournament has enough time to react to it. So it should be ok for any reason to withdraw. Furthermore WCG is on the same weekend as IPL5 is, and I expect more players to withdraw from it, since it doesn't even give you a lot of exposure, because it's little broadcasted.
drooL
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom2108 Posts
October 24 2012 16:32 GMT
#46
Can't blame him.
@nowSimon
a9arnn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1537 Posts
October 24 2012 16:33 GMT
#47
Lol WCG's not in any position to be punishing people since there are way more tournaments now than there were a few years ago. Can't blame Happy for choosing not to participate, WCG really has been getting bad last year and this year.
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TAMinator
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2706 Posts
October 24 2012 16:34 GMT
#48
Pulling out to relieve yourself from a losing situation, can't really blame him. As a professional gamer though, it's a pretty weak stance.
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
October 24 2012 16:37 GMT
#49
Well he's honest about it and those are some fair points on his oppinion, i was looking forward to see Happy play but there are more tournements out there.
speknek
Profile Joined February 2012
758 Posts
October 24 2012 16:40 GMT
#50
On October 25 2012 01:34 TAMinator wrote:
Pulling out to relieve yourself from a losing situation, can't really blame him. As a professional gamer though, it's a pretty weak stance.

I've noticed many people share this opinion, but why? It's exactly the other way around. BECAUSE he is a professional player, he should play games for which he feels prepared and confident and skip the rest. This is done in every sport. Tennis players skip tournaments when they aren't prepared, football players aren't set up when they don't feel 100%, etc.
He explained it in his statement, this is his source of income and for him it's not beneficial to waste a week traveling+waiting and not winning anything, time that he could use training and maybe win some online cup or so.
Kazeyonoma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2912 Posts
October 24 2012 16:42 GMT
#51
while i respect and understand Happy's withdrawl, it just seems kind of like a cop out. they don't speak english so i don't want to go. they bring us 2 days early and there's nothing to do. etc etc. so DO something, make friends, etc? or request a translator for a group of foreigners to see if it can be done. then complaining that since he doesn't think he'll place in the bigger money he won't even attend? this is the very antithesis of what the WCG and WCS was supposed to represent.
I now have autographs of both BoxeR and NaDa. I can die happy. Lim Yo Hwan and Lee Yun Yeol FIGHTING forever!
Incomplet
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United Kingdom1419 Posts
October 24 2012 16:43 GMT
#52
Thinking short term is ridiculous. Short term = Oh no money in this tournament therfore this is not worthy of my time. The more intelligent long-term thinking is...oh if I win this tournament then this will give me more prestige to my name and ultimately earn me more money via more tournament invites and stream viewers. Sure the WCG may not be as prestigious as it used to be, but it still is one more merit to add to your name, which makes you more equitable. And in regards to quitting due to not believing you can win, that is just an excuse. Quitting before even trying is pathetic in not just SC2, but everything in life.

In all honesty, he would have been safer just saying he is not attending due to "personal reasons".
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JackDragon
Profile Joined February 2011
525 Posts
October 24 2012 16:44 GMT
#53
On October 25 2012 00:24 Razac wrote:
WTF = only thing i can say.

A list of excuses to hide the real thing we probably will never know.

What? Why would he list excuses like these to hide something else? The excuses are really bad if you want to save face...
I mean he is basically shit talking the tournament and his own skills. Why can't we just take the reasons for what they are? I think you read far too much into this.

Anyway good call for you Happy. If that is how you feel I certainly won't hold it against you. Best of luck in the future.
bokeevboke
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Singapore1674 Posts
October 24 2012 16:45 GMT
#54
On October 25 2012 00:25 mikedebo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 00:10 GTR wrote:
What the hell is WCG going to do to Happy? Ban him from future WCG's?


They could tweet that Empire.Happy actually encouraged Crank to leave Slayers and the rest will take care of itself...


Genius.
Its grack
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-24 16:49:13
October 24 2012 16:48 GMT
#55
How is this any different than players not wanting to go to Korea to take their Code A/S spots after qualifying through MLG, which has happened countless times?

I mean yeah the trip is paid for in this case, but it's not like players would be paying for it themselves either way.
Tanukki
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland579 Posts
October 24 2012 16:53 GMT
#56
Well, Blizzard's tournament is the SC2 world championship event now. WCG is kinda irrelevant, so I don't care.

I'd still attend if only for fun if I was Happy, but maybe he travels so much he's gotten disillusioned with it :p
speknek
Profile Joined February 2012
758 Posts
October 24 2012 16:56 GMT
#57
This is so sad. People always cry that pro's etc only give generic statements and never say what they really think. This guy actually has the courtesy of explaining his decision and the community shits on him as a result. Good job, next time he will just say that is he "unable to participate" for undisclosed reasons.
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
October 24 2012 17:03 GMT
#58
I guess his reasons are "fair enough", but why did he take part in the Russian WCG in the first place if he had no intention of participating? Besides, winning price money isn't the ultimate end of visiting tournaments, you get experience and the ability to flaunt your sponsors.
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
October 24 2012 17:04 GMT
#59
On October 25 2012 01:43 Incomplet wrote:
Thinking short term is ridiculous. Short term = Oh no money in this tournament therfore this is not worthy of my time. The more intelligent long-term thinking is...oh if I win this tournament then this will give me more prestige to my name and ultimately earn me more money via more tournament invites and stream viewers. Sure the WCG may not be as prestigious as it used to be, but it still is one more merit to add to your name, which makes you more equitable. And in regards to quitting due to not believing you can win, that is just an excuse. Quitting before even trying is pathetic in not just SC2, but everything in life.

In all honesty, he would have been safer just saying he is not attending due to "personal reasons".


reading comprehension: Happy doesn't think he can reach the prize pool so winning the tournament... lol.
Yeah sure you can bash a player without even reading, good job sir.
Zest fanboy.
Incomplet
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United Kingdom1419 Posts
October 24 2012 17:12 GMT
#60
On October 25 2012 02:04 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 01:43 Incomplet wrote:
Thinking short term is ridiculous. Short term = Oh no money in this tournament therfore this is not worthy of my time. The more intelligent long-term thinking is...oh if I win this tournament then this will give me more prestige to my name and ultimately earn me more money via more tournament invites and stream viewers. Sure the WCG may not be as prestigious as it used to be, but it still is one more merit to add to your name, which makes you more equitable. And in regards to quitting due to not believing you can win, that is just an excuse. Quitting before even trying is pathetic in not just SC2, but everything in life.

In all honesty, he would have been safer just saying he is not attending due to "personal reasons".


reading comprehension: Happy doesn't think he can reach the prize pool so winning the tournament... lol.
Yeah sure you can bash a player without even reading, good job sir.


So giving up before even trying? Pathetic.
Bow down to the sons of Aiur...SKT1_Rain, CreatorPrime, ST_Parting, Liquid_Hero.
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