EPTRyung to Axiom, MMA deciding between Axiom/EG - Page 11
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themoo_
Iceland54 Posts
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JuicyNutsack
United States34 Posts
EGMMA vs Liquid Taeja would just be too much grudge on too many levels | ||
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frogrubdown
1266 Posts
On October 18 2012 10:26 Sikly wrote: Tyler after his BW achievements, Huk after an MLG(I believe he was on Mill for his first MLG), Zenio had been in code S before, Taeja had some amazing results in the GSTL, Ret was an extremely good foreign BW player. The myth that Liquid gets an unknown player and turns them into superstars is pretty weird to me, they have quite a few amazing players, and Taeja still has the potential to be the best in the world, but most of them were anything but unknown when they were picked up. I said 'recent' and 'not long after' multiple times, not to mention 'high-profile' which I used to indicate prominence in mainstream attention rather than evidence for talent. Huk is the only example you list that actually fits these criteria. I also didn't say anything that indicated adherence to the myth you speak of at the end. | ||
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MrSexington
United States1768 Posts
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Corvi
Germany1406 Posts
the reason (besides skill obviously) is marketing. nonames wont bring you fans and mma is still one of the biggest names imho. also, but maybe i'm alone with this, he is not some <18 yo teenager, but a man and a veteran of esports and we cant have enough of those in sc2 proscene. | ||
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rasnj
United States1959 Posts
On October 18 2012 10:20 MasterKang wrote: what? MMA is a two-time GSL champion, MLG champion, Iron Squid Champion, IEM champion.. in other words, he's a champion. Even if his results as of late don't meet his usual standards, he still has insane marketability and a huge fan base. Plus, it's pretty clear that his decline in skill is largely due to the conflicts slayers has been having, so on a new stable team he would surely begin to show his best play again So it is not a change in practice environment after being reprimanded and after Boxer leaving? It isn't simply him entering into a slump like so many others, maybe even a permanent one? It isn't a lack of motivation? It isn't the lack of a rigorous practice environment? How sure can you really be that he will regain his form with EG, especially considering they do not have a stable Korean practice environment like Slayers had? And even then will he be overshadowed by KeSPA players? You must admit that there is a non-negligible risk that he will not be world class again with EG. And if he doesn't regain his form, then that residual fanbase is only going to shrink. | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
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frogrubdown
1266 Posts
On October 18 2012 10:27 Sub40APM wrote: This year he has won IEM Kiev, and Iron Squid. 3rd in IEM World Championship and 4th IPL 4. That would make him only 1 tournament worse than Stephano, of course Stephano gets the racism bonus for not being Korean so that makes him 'clearly' better, and significantly better performance than anyone else on EG in 2012. And of course he won the GSL twice, which would make him the best player on EG. Those events are why I put the "especially" in there. I'm just trying to give a diagnosis for the widespread belief that Liquid and EG differ with respect to buying already established talent. And the explanation I gave seems fairly likely. When you buy someone right after a high profile win, it's going to look less like building up talent than if you bought Taeja whose talent (though it already existed) was less widely publicized. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On October 18 2012 10:20 frogrubdown wrote: A more accurate generalization would be that EG tends to pick up players not long after high profile achievements, whereas Liquid does not. Thorzain after Dreamhack, Puma after NASL, Huk not long after Homestory/Dreamhack, Stephano after a few of his never ending stream of high profile wins. That said, MMA does not have especially recent high profile victories. Thorzain, Huk and Stephano were all signed when their contract negotiation periods were open. If EG hadn't signed them, any other team would have done so at the exact same time. Puma is the only one that remotely fits your criteria, and that situation was...complicated. | ||
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Gator
United States3432 Posts
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Ansinjunger
United States2451 Posts
On October 18 2012 10:20 MasterKang wrote: what? MMA is a two-time GSL champion, MLG champion, Iron Squid Champion, IEM champion.. in other words, he's a champion. Even if his results as of late don't meet his usual standards, he still has insane marketability and a huge fan base. Plus, it's pretty clear that his decline in skill is largely due to the conflicts slayers has been having, so on a new stable team he would surely begin to show his best play again Thanks for that. The loss of coach Ryu Won is way overblown imo, and MMA's play still can be inspiring, in spite of defeat or close victories in NASL On October 18 2012 09:45 Torte de Lini wrote: I'm thinking they're getting MMA for rather cheap considering how long he's been looking as well as his lack of recent major achievements. Am I wrote in this assumption? I thought SlayerS was saying they wouldn't allow MMA to join another team, at least without consulting with them. Teams that were interested may have just received a wall of silence or a "not now" or an unreasonably high price. I don't see a reason to assume MMA isn't worth a pretty good salary, probably higher than everyone but Stephano's (and yes, I feel MMA when this crap is behind him is better than Stephano but even then not quite as marketable, unless Stephano has more issues). MMA please bring about the death of deathballs with your multitasking (no more viking mis-rallies). | ||
KristofferAG
Norway25712 Posts
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frogrubdown
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On October 18 2012 10:34 WolfintheSheep wrote: Thorzain, Huk and Stephano were all signed when their contract negotiation periods were open. If EG hadn't signed them, any other team would have done so at the exact same time. Puma is the only one that remotely fits your criteria, and that situation was...complicated. I don't know why everyone is jumping on my post as though I endorsed the Liquid/EG myth. What criteria don't the others fit in virtue of having open negotiation periods? None of the ones I listed rule this out, so I'm assuming that you made up additional criteria that do conflict with it to fit your assumption that I endorse the myth. | ||
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VegaBoy
Norway14 Posts
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Deleted User 173346
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Taefox
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Cheno
Denmark70 Posts
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LeapofFaith
United States446 Posts
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Sub40APM
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On October 18 2012 10:38 VegaBoy wrote: would be cool if MMA joins axiom, to help an underdog grow, EG doesnt really need that.. but if he goes there and his form doesnt improve then thats one more "eg curse" data point... | ||
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Dontkillme
Korea (South)806 Posts
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