EPTReally glad Ryung found a team so quickly - i don't feel like his time is over and I reallly hope that Axiom can give him the foreign opportunities needed to break out. Not to mention he's a very fun guy and I think Axiom could really develop that =)
Ryung to Axiom, MMA deciding between Axiom/EG - Page 10
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Acronysis
872 Posts
Really glad Ryung found a team so quickly - i don't feel like his time is over and I reallly hope that Axiom can give him the foreign opportunities needed to break out. Not to mention he's a very fun guy and I think Axiom could really develop that =) | ||
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Nuclease
United States1049 Posts
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Serinox
Germany5224 Posts
On October 18 2012 10:15 Zenbrez wrote: Hero? He was always known for being really really good. If you're going to pick a single person, I'd say Zenio. But given what we've seen from him (ever?), there's not much talent there. Going by what Zenio has done since he joined, that is (nothing). He may be quite good, but it hasn't been proved in tournaments. Zenio has reclaimed his Code S status while being under Liquid. That's more than nothing. Also HerO was not on the radar of many people. What did he do? He showed potential yes, but so did other players and those players still achieved more than qualifying for Code A once or twice and win one GSTL match against Genius. | ||
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dynwar7
1983 Posts
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MasterKang
United States1373 Posts
On October 18 2012 10:05 rasnj wrote: The article states that Ryung WILL go to Axiom. It is only MMA who is considering. Currently the market value of MMA ought to be fairly low. The market for talented Koreans is currently flooded with ex-Slayers and ex-oGs players (in particular terrans), and the Korean scene is oversaturated with players and teams ever since KeSPA joined SC2 (we have ~15 pro Korean SC2 teams). In addition he has unsuccessfully been looking for a foreign team. He should be fairly cheap to get currently, and he has the potential to become one of the best in the world as he has shown in the past. He is a cheap, risky investment with potential for very high rate of return and there is nothing wrong with that. And yeah he is not getting $4k/month. That was what he wanted, and no one wanted to pay it, and now his situation is even worse, so obviously the price has gone down considerably or Axiom/EG are crazy. EDIT: Also EGMMARC looks like EGM Marc to me, which is very confusing. what? MMA is a two-time GSL champion, MLG champion, Iron Squid Champion, IEM champion.. in other words, he's a champion. Even if his results as of late don't meet his usual standards, he still has insane marketability and a huge fan base. Plus, it's pretty clear that his decline in skill is largely due to the conflicts slayers has been having, so on a new stable team he would surely begin to show his best play again | ||
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farvacola
United States18870 Posts
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frogrubdown
1266 Posts
On October 18 2012 10:13 Bagration wrote: No they don't. The only good example of unknown talent they picked up would be Hero. A more accurate generalization would be that EG tends to pick up players not long after high profile achievements, whereas Liquid does not. Thorzain after Dreamhack, Puma after NASL, Huk not long after Homestory/Dreamhack, Stephano after a few of his never ending stream of high profile wins. That said, MMA does not have especially recent high profile victories. | ||
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MasterKang
United States1373 Posts
On October 18 2012 10:16 Elem wrote: Why would Liquid want a washed up, moneyhungry player? I really do not understand why any "top tier" team would want MMA. your ignorance of MMA's marketability for teams is astounding and comical | ||
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
On October 18 2012 10:19 Serinox wrote: Zenio has reclaimed his Code S status while being under Liquid. That's more than nothing. Also HerO was not on the radar of many people. What did he do? He showed potential yes, but so did other players and those players still achieved more than qualifying for Code A once or twice and win one GSTL match against Genius. Fair enough. Guess I meant something more recent than 8-10 months ago. | ||
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Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
On October 18 2012 09:44 m1rk3 wrote: Don't go to EG, Idra is there and the curse as well. FFS Liquid should pick up MMA Liquid MMA! Liquid should not go near him with a 30 foot pole and a contract lawyer, he seems like a team house cancer, and liquid tries to pick up players they think are going up, not down. Edit: arthur brown and dark seem to be more liquid's type. | ||
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Falconblade
United States1035 Posts
I don't want more of this drama shit. And EG needs to retain a relevant foreigner core. IdrA, Huk, Thorzain and Demuslim are all still decent to top class and need to not be eclipsed by another korean sign up. | ||
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Serinox
Germany5224 Posts
On October 18 2012 10:23 Zenbrez wrote: Fair enough. Guess I meant something more recent than 8-10 months ago. Then you should've said "What has Zenio done recently?"  | ||
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Jeteroll
United States15 Posts
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rasnj
United States1959 Posts
On October 18 2012 10:10 StarStruck wrote: MMA isn't a risky investment at all and put the damn periods in there lol. Pronouncing anything like EGMMARC or EGJYPRC is just funny as hell. Shouldn't even say the letters. Try pronouncing it as one word. I believe MMA is a risky investment. It is very hard to say where an EG.MMA.RC would be in 6 months. Maybe he would get even more complacent and barely practice, and then disappear in a year when his contract runs out, or maybe he will find his motivation and drag himself out of his slump and become the world class player we all remember. There is a huge variance in his expected future skill, and even if it is mostly positively skewed EG are going to have to pay for his current image and the potential he has, whether or not any of that remains 6 months from now. I guess risk may have been a bit of an incorrect term to use. More precisely I'm saying that MMA's future skill has huge variance, and is skewed positively. Therefore the rate of return on him will also have a huge variance. I would be surprised if you couldn't pick up 2 ordinary A team Slayers players for the price of MMA, and there is a large probability that they would do just as well (though you would also have to pay for twice as many flights so it isn't that simple). This is of course all speculation based on publically released information, and I admit I may be completely wrong. | ||
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Maasked
United States567 Posts
On topic: if this is true, Totalbiscut's team is looking good, but I hope they dont get MMA simply because he always overshadows Ryung and I would really like Ryung to be in the spotlight for a team. | ||
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Sikly
United States413 Posts
On October 18 2012 10:20 frogrubdown wrote: A more accurate generalization would be that EG tends to pickup players not long after high profile achievements, whereas Liquid does not. Thorzain after Dreamhack, Puma after NASL, Huk not long after Homestory/Dreamhack, Stephano after a few of his never ending stream of high profile wins. That said, MMA does not have especially recent high profile victories. Tyler after his BW achievements, Huk after an MLG(I believe he was on Mill for his first MLG), Zenio had been in code S before, Taeja had some amazing results in the GSTL, Ret was an extremely good foreign BW player. The myth that Liquid gets an unknown player and turns them into superstars is pretty weird to me, they have quite a few amazing players, and Taeja still has the potential to be the best in the world, but most of them were anything but unknown when they were picked up. | ||
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EnumaAvalon
Philippines3613 Posts
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Happygreek
United States220 Posts
On October 18 2012 10:22 MasterKang wrote: your ignorance of MMA's marketability for teams is astounding and comical Regardless, there's enough character issues floating to the surface here to give teams pause. | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On October 18 2012 10:20 frogrubdown wrote: A more accurate generalization would be that EG tends to pickup players not long after high profile achievements, whereas Liquid does not. Thorzain after Dreamhack, Puma after NASL, Huk not long after Homestory/Dreamhack, Stephano after a few of his never ending stream of high profile wins. That said, MMA does not have especially recent high profile victories. This year he has won IEM Kiev, and Iron Squid. 3rd in IEM World Championship and 4th IPL 4. That would make him only 1 tournament worse than Stephano, of course Stephano gets the racism bonus for not being Korean so that makes him 'clearly' better, and significantly better performance than anyone else on EG in 2012. And of course he won the GSL twice, which would make him the best player on EG. | ||
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Inferno272
United States19 Posts
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