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GoodSirTets
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada200 Posts
October 18 2012 01:44 GMT
#221
After the allegations against the two by Jessica which she can apparently back up, I'd think other teams would be more cautious about picking them up just yet.
High Diamond/ Low Masters :^)
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
October 18 2012 01:45 GMT
#222
On October 18 2012 10:33 frogrubdown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 10:27 Sub40APM wrote:
On October 18 2012 10:20 frogrubdown wrote:
On October 18 2012 10:13 Bagration wrote:
On October 18 2012 10:11 MasterKang wrote:
On October 18 2012 10:11 stillthechosen1 wrote:
Why hasn't there been a mention of Liquid Approaching MMA? MMA and Taeja used to be on the same team, they could be the new Terran tandom on liquid, and they could each mold Sea into a very strong Terran player. I'm hoping Liquid enters their name into the pot.


Because Liquid picks up unknown talent, not two-time GSL champions


No they don't. The only good example of unknown talent they picked up would be Hero.


A more accurate generalization would be that EG tends to pickup players not long after high profile achievements, whereas Liquid does not. Thorzain after Dreamhack, Puma after NASL, Huk not long after Homestory/Dreamhack, Stephano after a few of his never ending stream of high profile wins.

That said, MMA does not have especially recent high profile victories.

This year he has won IEM Kiev, and Iron Squid. 3rd in IEM World Championship and 4th IPL 4.
That would make him only 1 tournament worse than Stephano, of course Stephano gets the racism bonus for not being Korean so that makes him 'clearly' better, and significantly better performance than anyone else on EG in 2012.

And of course he won the GSL twice, which would make him the best player on EG.


Those events are why I put the "especially" in there.

I'm just trying to give a diagnosis for the widespread belief that Liquid and EG differ with respect to buying already established talent. And the explanation I gave seems fairly likely. When you buy someone right after a high profile win, it's going to look less like building up talen than if you bought Taeja whose talent (though it already existed) was less widely publicized.

fair enough, but the reason we dont see him as successful in 2012 as in 2011 is solely because of his crap GSL record. But that still makes him one of the best SC2 pros, easily better than anyone on EG except for Stephano.
LovE-
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1963 Posts
October 18 2012 01:45 GMT
#223
EGMMARC Please!!!!!! :D
LovE.311 (NA) || @LovE_Sc2
lisward
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Singapore959 Posts
October 18 2012 01:45 GMT
#224
AXIOM!!!! Make it Slayers team 2!

I think after all the bad blood between Slayers and other Korean teams, they wouldn't want to got to Korean teams anyway.
Opinions are like phasers -- everybody ought to have one
isaachukfan
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada785 Posts
October 18 2012 01:45 GMT
#225
MMA to Axiom, it's time for a new full korean team, not just a foreign team with koreans.
I'm a mennonite, yes I'm allowed to use a computer
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37043 Posts
October 18 2012 01:46 GMT
#226
AXIOM! GRAB THE ENTIRE SLAYERS ROSTER AND BECOME THE NEW SLAYERS PLEASE!!!!

*crosses fingers*
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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fortheGG
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom1002 Posts
October 18 2012 01:46 GMT
#227
Hi my name is stephano they pay me more than you because foreigners are biased.

On a serious note I hope he gets into EG.
XGhostXx
Profile Joined May 2012
United States21 Posts
October 18 2012 01:46 GMT
#228
This is funny I just mentioned earlier that someone should talk to total biscuit about getting MMA
nocompromise
Profile Joined June 2011
13 Posts
October 18 2012 01:47 GMT
#229
No respect for anyone who chases money at EG.
Taeja and Flash. No time for losers.
Kinky
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States4126 Posts
October 18 2012 01:47 GMT
#230
Will be interesting to see what MMA decides on.
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
October 18 2012 01:47 GMT
#231
Egg mark!
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
Kitaen
Profile Joined June 2011
Austria466 Posts
October 18 2012 01:48 GMT
#232
if MMA goes for EG he'll lose a lot of respect i guess :O
Sankanyo
Profile Joined August 2011
United States140 Posts
October 18 2012 01:49 GMT
#233
If MMA goes to EG, EG will have such a SICKKKKK lineup.




P.S. Did anyone notice all of their middle names are Won. lol
Oiseaux
Profile Joined May 2011
United States676 Posts
October 18 2012 01:49 GMT
#234
On October 18 2012 10:48 Kitaen wrote:
if MMA goes for EG he'll lose a lot of respect i guess :O


I know I only respect pros who live off of ramen.
"[S]o be ready to kiss a few donkeys with glued-on paper horns during your unicorn hunt." -Some stupid 4x4 magazine
TripleOSeven
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States106 Posts
October 18 2012 01:50 GMT
#235
It would have been nice to see both MMA and Ryung go to EG, but I guess you can't get both. I think MMA will have more exposure with EG, and more opportunities for foreign events, so I would be more happy to see MMA go to EG.
MVP. Nuff said.
Sikly
Profile Joined June 2011
United States413 Posts
October 18 2012 01:51 GMT
#236
On October 18 2012 10:43 Dontkillme wrote:
Why doesn't MMA go to a korean team? I guess after what happened with Slayers, they don't want players from Slayers.... This is a sad day


Would you be comfortable joining a team that had put an embargo on you and wouldn't let their players practice with you? That would be mighty fucking uncomfortable for me. He also apparently said he would never join another Kespa team. Seems he has no other option other than joining a foreign team.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45013 Posts
October 18 2012 01:52 GMT
#237
:shakes and blows on dice::

COME ONNNNNN DIRTY MONEY!!!

EG.MMA!
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
October 18 2012 01:53 GMT
#238
He'll always be SlayerS_MMA to me..
¯\_(シ)_/¯
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45013 Posts
October 18 2012 01:53 GMT
#239
On October 18 2012 10:47 tree.hugger wrote:
Egg mark!


Well you know what they say.

Eggs marks the spot.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Popkiller
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3415 Posts
October 18 2012 01:54 GMT
#240
On October 18 2012 10:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 10:47 tree.hugger wrote:
Egg mark!


Well you know what they say.

Eggs marks the spot.


Why would they say that?
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